Jerome Contamine
Management
Mark, so I think that you can look at the tax rate evolution that we'd like to have, in particular. So at the end of the day, you'll remember that now for why we won that, everything being equal. We have less [indiscernible] low tax rate, at least for a while, as long as we have less being used from patents. We have less that we use from patented drugs. On the -- just back 1 year ago, we said, well, it should be 24% in 2013, 26% in 2014 and 28% in 2015. So today, what we say and what I say is that we could do a bit better. This is why we're giving out guidance. It could be 25%, 26%. And you could say, well, why do you think you know it's [indiscernible] earlier. But as a matter of fact, I mean, it's pretty difficult to assess it more precisely. I mean, just as an example, think that the highest tax rate we have in the world are Japan and the U.S. So if the yen goes down, your other tax rates goes down. That's surprising, but that's true. So just this example shows that -- I mean, be too precise in the tax rate is not [indiscernible]. The second thing is, well, I mean, as time is passing, both our tax team but also tax facilities don't stay idle. So on one hand, we have a lot of tax audits ongoing, as you know. I mean, everything which happens in this industry is always of peak magnitude. So I mean, you need to take reserves on the issue you may have. And [indiscernible] also pricing, as an example. And then, of course, when we have the outcome of this [indiscernible], then you may reverse some of these reserves depending upon what happens. I mean, that has been the case this year. As you know, this -- at the same time, our team is not idle either and trying to optimize, so we have made some progress here. So I think today, the best assumption I can give you of 2014 is somewhere above, I mean, north of 25. And I can say as well that, everything being equal, we should probably see an increase of tax rate in 2015, when, time passing, if we have more good news for -- coming from patented products, then hopefully, this [indiscernible] is right. I mean, we will see the tendency going just around everything we need. My [indiscernible] for 2014.