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Q3 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 5, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Syndax Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. All participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. You'll have an opportunity to ask questions after today's presentation. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I'd like to turn over the call to Sharon Klahre, Head of Investor Relations at Syndax Pharmaceuticals.

Sharon Klahre

Analyst

Great. Thank you, operator. Welcome, and thank you all for joining us today as we review Syndax's third quarter 2024 financial and operating results. I'm Sharon Klahre, and with me this afternoon to provide an update on the company's progress and discuss financial results are Michael Metzger, Chief Executive Officer; Dr. Neil Gallagher, President and Head of R&D; Steve Closter, Chief Commercial Officer; and Keith Goldan, Chief Financial Officer. Also joining us on the call today for the question-and-answer session are Dr. Peter Ordentlich, Chief Scientific Officer; and Dr. Anjali Ganguli, Chief Strategy Officer. This call is accompanied by a slide that has been posted on the Investor page of the company's website. You can now turn to our forward-looking statements on Slide 2. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that any statements made during the call that are not historical are considered to be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the Risk Factors section in the company's most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q as well as other reports filed with the SEC. Any forward-looking statements made represent our views as of today, November 5, 2024 only. A replay of this call will be available on the company's website, www.syndax.com, following its completion. With that, I am pleased to turn the call over to Michael Metzger, Chief Executive Officer.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, Sharon. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We made remarkable progress in the third quarter. We delivered on multiple important milestones that demonstrate our ability to bring novel medicines to patients and, in doing so, we marked our transition from a development organization to an integrated commercial-stage company with an extremely bright future. With the announcement of yesterday's $350 million royalty agreement for Niktimvo with Royalty Pharma, we have strengthened our balance sheet significantly, and now have the capital to fund Syndax through profitability, ensuring strong launches for revumenib and Niktimvo and solidifying our commitment to their continued development and expansion of the pipeline overall. Importantly, this deal further highlights how vastly underappreciated the value of Niktimvo is in the market and why it remains a critical element of our long-term strategy. Let me now dig into some third quarter milestones. In August, we received FDA approval for Niktimvo, the first and only CSF-1R antibody approved for the treatment of chronic graft-versus-host disease, or GVHD, after failure of at least two prior lines of systemic therapy in adult and pediatric patients weighing at least 40 kilograms. Shortly after we received FDA approval, the positive pivotal AGAVE-201 trial results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine and Niktimvo was added to the latest NCCN guidelines, two achievements that highlight the significance of this dataset and the important role of Niktimvo in the treatment armamentarium. With Incyte's deep understanding of the cGVHD market and long-standing relationships with key stakeholders, we are thrilled to partner with them to bring this much-needed new option to patients. Later in the call, Steve will provide more color on our plans for the commercial launch. We believe the approval of Niktimvo represents the initial opportunity to make a major…

Neil Gallagher

Analyst

Thanks, Michael. It's a pleasure to be with you all today to discuss the latest data emerging from our robust clinical development program, investigating revumenib across the treatment continuum in both adults and pediatric patients with KMT2A rearrangements or mutant NPM1 acute leukemias. Through a thoughtful combination of Syndax-sponsored and investigator-sponsored trials, we're rapidly generating data supporting the use of revumenib, both as monotherapy and in combination with standards of care, both in the frontline or relapsed/refractory settings. On the next few slides, I'll review the recently released ASH abstracts that contain the latest data from a number of ongoing trials and briefly review the revumenib clinical development program. Turning to Slide 4. At ASH, we will be presenting an updated analysis that includes additional patients enrolled in the pivotal Phase 2 portion of the AUGMENT-101 trial of revumenib in patients with relapsed or refractory KM2A rearranged acute leukemia. These new data are highly consistent with what was previously reported -- with the previously reported data rather, that formed the basis of our NDA application. With a February 2024 data cutoff, the updated safety population comprises 116 patients, 22 more than in the original analysis, and the efficacy population has expanded to a total of 97, 40 more than in the original analysis. The median age was 35%, and 24% of the population was under the age of 18. The median number of prior therapies was two with 44% of the population having received three or more prior treatments, 63% had prior exposure to venetoclax and 51% underwent prior stem-cell transplant. The efficacy results from this expanded analysis are highly consistent with what was previously reported from the interim analysis with an overall response rate of 64%, a CR/CRh rate of 23%, and a composite complete remission rate of 42%.…

Steve Closter

Analyst

Yeah, thank you, Neil. Starting with Slide 10, we are thrilled that Niktimvo is now FDA-approved and included in the latest NCCN guidelines as a recommended treatment for chronic GVHD after failure of at least two prior lines of systemic therapy in adult and pediatric patients weighing at least 40 kilograms. We anticipate that this new medicine will be available to patients no later than early in the first quarter of 2025. Addressing the needs of patients who have progressed after at least two prior lines of therapy is an attractive commercial opportunity. For example, in the three years since launch of belumosudil or REZUROCK, another drug indicated for the same line of treatment as Niktimvo, net sales continue to grow in the high double-digits and suggest that the drug is now annualizing at over $500 million in US sales alone. With the new mechanism and clinical data showing that Niktimvo can provide both rapid and durable responses in heavily pretreated patients, including results in difficult-to-treat organs, we believe that we will be able to capture a significant portion of the $1.5 billion to $2 billion estimated total addressable market for third line or later chronic GVHD treatment in the US. This will be a targeted launch as there are roughly 200 important transplant centers in the US. The Syndax team will provide 30% of the sales effort from Niktimvo and our partner Incyte will provide 70%, leveraging their existing field force that is already deeply engaged with the chronic GVHD community through their work with Jakafi. The key transplant centers that we will be targeting fall squarely within the larger group of accounts that are also important for revumenib, creating opportunities for commercial synergy. In addition to preparing for the launch of Niktimvo, we and Incyte are also continuing…

Keith Goldan

Analyst

Thanks, Steve. Turning to Slide 12. We expect that the $399.6 million in cash, equivalents and short- and long-term investments on our balance sheet as of September 30, plus the $350 million in cash received from the royalty funding agreement for Niktimvo, will provide sufficient cash for Syndax to reach profitability. Under the terms of the royalty funding agreement, Syndax received $350 million in exchange for a 13.8% royalty on US net sales of Niktimvo. Royalty payments to Royalty Pharma are capped, which preserves the upside longer term for opportunities, including treatment of frontline chronic GVHD and IPF. Our financial strength allows us to fund the commercialization of Niktimvo as well as the anticipated launch of revumenib while also appropriately investing in our pipeline to fuel continued growth and value creation. Turning to the income statement. Operating expenses in the third quarter were $102.1 million and included $71 million of research and development expense and $31.1 million of selling, general and administrative expense. For the full year 2024, the company is narrowing its guidance and now expects research and development expenses to be $245 million to $250 million and total expenses to be $365 million to $370 million. Note that the guidance range for operating expense for the full year 2024 includes an estimated $41 million of non-cash stock compensation expense, which is down from our previously estimated $43 million, and that research and development expense guidance includes any milestones earned or expected to be earned by our partners upon potential approvals. With that, let me now turn the call back over to Mike.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, Keith. As you heard today, we have built remarkable momentum heading into another exciting period filled with several near-term, value-generating milestones that can be seen on Slide 13. Building on the FDA approval of our first novel medicine in August, we are confident that revumenib will also be approved this year and launched soon thereafter. We believe this first anticipated approval in relapsed or refractory KMT2A rearranged acute leukemia will be just the first of several potential approved indications for revumenib and we are extremely focused on leveraging our first-mover advantage to build long-term franchise value. This quarter will be -- we will be presenting the first pivotal NPM1 dataset, which gives us the opportunity to further solidify our position in the emerging menin space. So, stay tuned. Finally, I want to take a moment to thank our dedicated Syndax team, collaborators and most importantly, the patients, families, investigators and trial sites who have participated in our clinical trials and made it possible for us to advance our mission. I'd also like to thank our committed long-term investors who continue to share in our mission and support our work building Syndax into a leading oncology company. And with that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Thank you. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question will come from Anupam Rama with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Priyanka Grover

Analyst

Hi, guys. This is Priyanka on for Anupam. Just a quick question from us. Post the potential approval of KMT2A and pending positive NPM1 data for revumenib, can you remind us of the process to get into guidelines and potential timeline considerations we should be thinking about?

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Sure. Thanks for your question, Priyanka. So, the timing to get the guidelines or get into the guidelines, first, you have to obviously have an approved drug and then you have to have data that you can publish. So, you publish the data and move quickly to do so, and that's our plan. And then, ultimately, we'll submit for guidelines. They meet -- the NCCN guideline panels meet probably twice a year, but they do it and on an ad-hoc basis as well. So, there's the opportunity for important approvals as we would expect these to be engaged and brought into the guidelines pretty expeditiously. And we did actually experience that with axatilimab. If you recall, we had approval and we had contemporaneous publication of that data in the New England Journal, as I mentioned in my remarks, and then we were into -- within two to three weeks, we were into the guidelines. So that is all very much the plan to move as quickly as possible to move into guidelines.

Priyanka Grover

Analyst

Thank you so much for answering my question.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from the line of Brad Canino with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Brad Canino

Analyst

Thank you. Lots to talk about and I look forward to asking more at ASH, but two topics for me for now. For AUGMENT-101, in the updated data, you noted nine of 21 or 43% of transplanted patients restarted revumenib maintenance. Is that a maintenance percentage rate you expect in the commercial setting, or could it be higher? And also, what have you seen so far on durations? And then, congratulations on the HOVON collaboration for frontline AML. I think you do point to BEAT AML updates in 4Q '24. Help us understand what you're looking for in those data to finalize and initiate that pivotal trial? Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Yeah. Thank you, Brad. So maybe I'll take the first question and then I'll pass it over on the BEAT AML trial to Neil. So, in terms of the AUGMENT-101 trial, we did note that there were certain patients that went back on maintenance and that is a trial-driven result. Patients were allowed -- physicians were allowed to put their patients back on therapy post engraftment. And many physicians elected to do so. We do expect that that phenomenon will continue to advance once the drug is approved and we'll have the opportunity to have many more patients treated. And of course, that would lead to potentially the opportunity to have patients not only go to transplant, but get back on therapy and stay on therapy for an extended period of time. So, I think we'll continue to build the data in the real world, but we are encouraged by what we've seen thus far in AUGMENT-101 in that regard. And then, BEAT AML, I think I'll turn it over to Neil in terms of what we expect on an update.

Neil Gallagher

Analyst

Sure. Thanks, Brad. So, what we -- what I think everyone should expect is more patients, right, specifically more patients treated dose level one. So, the combination of 113 milligrams of revumenib with venetoclax and azacitidine and some more patients also compared to what was previously reported. One thing, just a point of clarification, that is not rate-limiting for us. We're currently actually applying for a health authority approval -- agreement or health authority approval to initiate the study, and that's why we remain on track to potentially initiate the Phase 3 study by the end of the year. So, those things are actually moving in parallel.

Brad Canino

Analyst

Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, Brad.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Peter Lawson with Barclays. Your line is now open.

Peter Lawson

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much. Just with the sale of some of the royalty strength of Niktimvo, does that accelerate any programs under the development?

Michael Metzger

Analyst

So, Peter, I think the setup with the royalty agreement, which was extremely positive for us does, of course, bring in $350 million of cash onto the balance sheet and pro forma lands us at somewhere around $800 million. So, I think we have a very strong balance sheet of which to execute on. I think we're set up extremely well for all the trial initiations that we have planned for frontline trials, pivotal trials, several additional trials. We haven't named yet, but that will be in support of the utilization of our drug in other settings. So, I think it's -- definitely helps us aggressively move forward with plans for revumenib and for axatilimab, Niktimvo. So, it really advances the portfolio overall and gives us the opportunity to expand the portfolio with other molecules as well. So it's very happy -- very healthy balance sheet. Pro forma, I think I said approaching $800 million, it's about $750 million actually, just to correct myself. Thank you, Brett...

Peter Lawson

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, Peter.

Peter Lawson

Analyst

And then, the timing of the NPM1 data and is that -- or after a publication, how we should be thinking about that and kind of if it's in the direct NCCN guidelines or you kind of thinking supplemental?

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Right. So, I think the order of events here, you get approval on your molecule/ We'll have obviously pivotal data within that same timeframe on NPM1. You need to publish that data for NPM1. The KMT2A data is already published. So, we could get into guidelines for KMT2A upon approval, but for NPM1, you publish that data and then you submit it to guidelines. It moves independently of approval. So, you could use -- and the plan would be to move as quickly as we can to get it into guidelines and that would most likely precede approval on NPM1.

Peter Lawson

Analyst

Got you. Okay. Perfect. Thank you so much.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Chris Shibutani with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Chris Shibutani

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much. I think many of us are beginning to turn to 2025 and I realize that with important data readouts coming out, that's a factor. But can you give us any sense early in terms of how we should be thinking about the trajectory of an initial commercialization of Niktimvo? And what we can think about how the results from the NPM1 data may impact the level of spending that you have, particularly from the SG&A start -- aspect? Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much, Chris. So maybe I'll turn it over to Steve to talk a little bit about the, as you say, the early launch trajectory and that question related to 2025.

Steve Closter

Analyst

Yeah. So, good question, Chris. I think in terms of trajectory, I think is the market-ready and is there unmet need? I think the answer is yes. We've seen a real growing market, very encouraging if you looked at the latest sales for REZUROCK, which I mentioned in my comments, it's a drug that's annualizing well over $500 million a year. It's in its third year of promotion. Any of the market research we've done suggests that patients are -- some happy with treatment, but many are dissatisfied. So, we know there's a need. And the second piece I'd say is just preparedness. So, we've had a little extra time to get prepared. We're lucky that we're partnering with Incyte. They've essentially built this market. They're in market now calling on all the important customers. I mentioned it's over, a little under 200 transplant centers in the country. We know that 35 of them generate half of the patient volume. They're already there profiling. So, it's a small targeted group that are already there. We'll obviously add some effort and everything is in place to pull this product through at launch. There's, we'll say, a small bolus of patients that are always looking for something new. We may see those comments in the market immediately after that and we think we've got a great molecule that's got some real compelling attributes that we think we know will resonate with clinicians and we're ready once we're able to press go to pull through.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Right. And so, maybe you want to make a comment on revumenib as well?

Steve Closter

Analyst

Yes. And on revumenib, I think we're in the same place in terms of the trajectory. We've had the gift of time. We've had a little bit of delay. I think what that's enabled us to do from a preparedness standpoint is to be ready. The market is ready. We've been able to focus on menin inhibition as a mechanism of disease. The awareness is high. We've got a very talented team that's been put in place. They started calling the customers back in the June timeframe. We've got about 2,000 accounts that we call in for revumenib. There's about 200 that cover two-thirds of the patient opportunity. We've prioritized them. So, we've taken a very talented, experienced sales team. It's got over 20 years in the space. Many of them have launched products averages about six. They came in with pre-existing relationships. So, we know a lot about our accounts and how they think about AML and ALL, where the role that KMT2Ar will place. Testing is very high. We're understanding how to pull things through. And then, on the payer side, we've been calling in customers for well over a year. So, goal is to get on to formulary as close to approval as we can, generally takes about nine to 12 months. All the activity we have placed against payers, we think we can truncate that to the six- to nine-month frame. We've also got a really great group of specialty pharmacies and distributors in place that are the best at what they do. So, they'll be able to pull through prescriptions really at launch getting through the medical exception process. So, I think for that drug, there's not much of a bolus. Patients are too sick. I think I mentioned the prognosis for patients with relapsed/refractory KMT2Ar is about 2.5 months and customers are incredibly eager for this drug to get approved. And we think once the drug is available, we'll get some immediate utilization.

Keith Goldan

Analyst

And then, Chris, this is Keith. With respect to your question on SG&A spending, as Steve just pointed out, we are fully built from a commercial perspective. So, I think if you look back at our 3Q spending of just over $31 million for SG&A combined, that will grow as A&P, advertising and promotion, costs increase when we do get approvals and do launch these drugs. But I don't think -- I think you can expect that not to be -- it will be incremental growth, not a sharp curve up, because like Steve said, this field force, market access, medical affairs, et cetera, is fully built out.

Chris Shibutani

Analyst

That's helpful context. Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, Chris.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Kelly Shi with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Kelly Shi

Analyst

Congrats on the great progress in the quarter and for the upcoming also very eventful Q4. Firstly, curious your view on the clinical bar for CR/CRh rate for the pivotal NPM1 data? And also, how do we think about the correlation with OS benefit and what is the OS benefit of -- what is the OS benefit expectation relative to KMT2A subgroup? Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Great. Well, thank you, Kelly. I appreciate your kind comments. So, in terms of the clinical bar for NPM1, I think we've been very consistent in our approach here. I think the data for KMT2A and NPM1 so far across all different trials, monotherapy combination has looked very consistent and we are -- based on precedent, you can look at 20% to 30% CR/CRh rate as the approvable bar as low as probably 20% could be approvable. But I think in terms of what we would expect, we've shown data in that range for NPM1 even higher at -- our Phase 1 data was at 36%. So, we feel very confident that the results will fall in that range and be very, very positive. So, I think this is a -- there's an approval question and then there's ultimately what -- where the data falls. And I think we feel very confident that we're going to have a result that is not only consistent with what we've seen before, but it hits the mark for physicians. Obviously the higher the better. And then, in terms of your second question on OS benefit, maybe I'll ask Anjali to make a comment.

Anjali Ganguli

Analyst

Yeah, sure. So Kelly, I think in the historic data analyses that have been published, we've seen with KMT2A, with increasing lines of therapy, you have shorter and shorter survival expectations getting down to between two and three months by the time you're treating a third-line patient. It's similar for NPM1, but maybe the decrease isn't as steep. And they start off as a more favorable prognosis, but over time, they will also, when they relapse, get down to a shorter survival benefit. And I think in third-line, it's something like four to five months benefit expectation.

Kelly Shi

Analyst

Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, Kelly.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from the line of Phil Nadeau with TD Cowen. Your line is now open.

Phil Nadeau

Analyst

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking our questions. Two questions from us. So first, the updated KMT2A AUGMENT-101 data that we saw in the abstracts today, is that the most recent analysis that the FDA has? Is that what was submitted to the FDA? And is that what the FDA is reviewing? That's first. And then second, we noticed on your slides describing the pivotal trial in combination with ven/aza in the frontline, there was no revumenib dose listed. Have you determined with the FDA's input what that dose is likely to be? Thanks.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Yeah, Phil, thank you. So in terms of the KMT2A update, look, I think we've -- we tend to not comment specifically around the FDA review and what -- and as I had said before, we described the fact that the agency had asked for additional information related to the clinical trial and they had asked for it sort of late in the cycle review, which led to the PDUFA delay of three months we're now, sits at December 26th. We have not -- I'm not going to confirm or deny that this is the information that they were specifically looking for. All I can say is this information is highly consistent and supportive of approval. We had made the comment that the information that was submitted was also highly supportive of approval. And so, it gives us, and I'm sure others, a lot of confidence. I mean, you're taking the dataset from 57 patients and basically doubling it and getting ultimately the same results. I'll note that in the 57 patients that were followed for additional seven months, you had an extension of -- to 13 months on the duration -- median duration of response. So, some encouraging signs, of course, but this is very robust data that I know investors and others were interested in seeing. And so, we were keen to provide an update there. But the agency has access to all of our information. And so, again, not confirming or denying, but feeling quite confident that the information here is very supportive. And then, in terms of the pivotal trial, maybe I'll turn it over to Neil. He can make a comment on it. Yeah, go ahead, Neil.

Neil Gallagher

Analyst

Yeah, sure. So, Phil, thanks for the question. I mentioned a little earlier, the health authority approvals are currently in process. In fact, several of the submissions have been made in -- submissions have been made in several countries and we're initiating the study on 160 milligrams.

Phil Nadeau

Analyst

That's very helpful. Thank you.

Neil Gallagher

Analyst

You're welcome.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Michael Schmidt with Guggenheim. Your line is now open.

Michael Schmidt

Analyst

Hey, guys, thanks for taking our questions. Two from us. Just on the KMT2A data on the 13-months' duration of response that you've disclosed today in the ASH abstract in AUGMENT-101, would you expect a similar duration in NPM1-treated patients once you have longer follow-up from that cohort? And then, as we think about the menin inhibitor competitive landscape, there's been greater focus recently on differences in drug product characteristics as investors are looking to project how combinable the different agents are, particularly on PK or drug exposure metabolism. And as we continue to look at the emerging combo data at ASH, are there any learnings you can highlight where you feel confident about potential advantages for revumenib over others in the field? Thanks so much.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Okay. So thank you, Michael. Appreciate it. So, in terms of duration of response, we did note -- I did note the 13-month extension on the follow-up there. I think the -- that is, I think, an interesting result, an important result. I think the follow-up has the capacity to sometimes extend duration, especially when the upper bound hasn't been reached and you are taking a certain cut in time. So, I can't really comment too much on the NPM1 data and what that's going to look like at this stage. Obviously, we don't know the data. So, I think we'll have to see just what that looks like at the time. But yeah, certainly encouraging around the KMT2A. And patients who got transplant, I'll say, tends to help extend time on therapy and ultimately could impact the duration. So that is -- there may be some differences there between KMT2A -- the number of patients who have KMT2A and go to transplant versus patients who have NPM1. So, we'll see what that looks like. I can't really speculate at this point. And then, your second question about some of the combination data and the differences between the molecules and obviously, the ASH abstracts came out today, it's -- perhaps we can draw some conclusions. I think it's a little bit early. You'll have to see some of the follow-up at ASH, right, in terms of the overall presentations. I think what we can say about our own data, specifically the SAVE data is that it's highly encouraging of what we're seeing. These are essentially fourth-line patients who have had lots of stem-cell transplant and prior venetoclax and to see extremely high rate of overall response in CRc, CR/CRh, 58%. We're seeing very good tolerability, very good duration so far, patients are being followed for more than six months and staying on drug the vast majority. So, this is a highly well -- very well-tolerated efficacious regimen now in 26 patients whereas you saw the last data cut or the last update -- or first update, I should say, was at ASH last year. So, highly encouraging, again, very heavily pretreated patients. We will -- we hope to have an update at our investor event on the BEAT AML trial at ASH and that will be an extended dataset, as Neil pointed out earlier, but we've seen excellent safety, tolerability and efficacy adding to the doublet in the frontline patients as well. So, I think our profile is really, really showing itself to be distinguished among what others are seeing in their trials. Again, we're furthest advanced both in relapsed/refractory as well as in frontline setting, specifically around the ven/aza combos.

Michael Schmidt

Analyst

Thanks. Really appreciate.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, Michael.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Yigal Nochomovitz with Citi. Your line is now open.

Ashiq Mubarack

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Hi, guys. This is Ashiq on for Yigal. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on all the updates here. I just wanted to ask a follow-up on the maintenance setting questions asked earlier for revumenib. I guess for the AUGMENT-101 KMT2A cohort, there was nine out of 21 patients that got maintenance therapy, but three out of 12 in SAVE. I'm just curious if there were differences in the way those studies were run or maybe awareness among physicians -- differences among regarding awareness between physicians in terms of whether or not they could use revumenib in a maintenance setting. And I'm just -- I'm also just curious to what degree are you aware of how physicians are sort of deciding how or when to use relumenib in the maintenance setting and what sort of incision matrices there are in place today. Thanks.

Michael Metzger

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Thanks, [Yigal] (ph). I think this is a work-in-progress. As I said before, I think maintenance is a very interesting concept. We're talking about relapsed/refractory patients who have had a lot of prior treatments, stem-cell transplants often more than one venetoclax as well. So, there's some fragility to their treatment. And so I think you -- the physicians are thinking about this. And it's sort of on a case-by-case basis. There's nothing in the protocol -- in these two protocols that prevent them from getting maintenance. It's just up to the physician as to whether they initiate maintenance and how long they keep them on maintenance. So, as I said earlier, I think it's -- over-time, this will play out and physicians as they gain experience, they'll learn how best to administer it, how long they'll keep patients on. And as you've seen, it's very encouraging to see sometimes up to half the patients or more getting maintenance and it will differ from these early trials, but ultimately we're in very good shape. Neil, you want to make a comment?

Neil Gallagher

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Just one thing to add is that just to remind everyone that we've seen patients staying on for very extended periods of time. So, we've seen patients staying on for three years or more. So, we know -- and physicians know that as well. I'm not going to reiterate what Michael said, it's a complex paradigm that -- complex thinking that goes into the decision to transplant a patient, but physicians are aware that the drug is well tolerated as a monotherapy in the post-transplant maintenance setting for prolonged periods of time. And we've heard many of them speak publicly about their willingness to actually use this as a treatment paradigm recognizing the tolerability of the drug in that setting.

Ashiq Mubarack

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Got it. Can I just ask one more?

Michael Metzger

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Sure. Go ahead, Ashiq.

Ashiq Mubarack

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

One more -- yeah, sorry, one more quick clarifying question on the frontline revumenib plus ven/aza study, looks like the primary endpoint is overall survival in just the NPM1 population. It looks like you're enrolling both NPM1 and KMT2A. So, I'm wondering why just the focus on NPM1. Is that related to more population dynamics or something else? Thanks.

Michael Metzger

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Yeah, Neil, just take that.

Neil Gallagher

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Yeah, I'll take that one. So, thanks for the call -- thanks for the question. So, yes, that is correct. The study I think I mentioned as well in the script, the study is actually powered for the NPM1 population. I think I also mentioned in the script, this population -- so think about the population that will go into the study. These are older patients who are not suitable for intensive chemotherapy. And, therefore, the predominant mutation in that population is actually NPM1. If you look for instance and -- we expect the median age of that population to be somewhere 65 or older, maybe around 65, right? So, if you look at the median age in our KMT2 population, for instance, from AUGMENT-101, the median age was 35 in the updated analysis that we just talked about, the abstract of which was published today. So, KMT2A is more prevalent in the older population. NPM1 is more prevalent overall and more prevalent than KMT2A, the older population. In fact, KMT2A is quite rare in the older population. This will include some of those patients as well. That's why it's designed the way it is. Does that make sense?

Ashiq Mubarack

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks very much, and congrats again.

Michael Metzger

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Thanks, Ashiq.

Neil Gallagher

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Thanks, Ashiq.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Jason Zemansky with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Jason Zemansky

Analyst

Great. Thank you. Good evening. Congrats on the quarter, and thanks for taking our question, as well as the additional color on ASH. Maybe two quick ones from me. For NPM1, curious as what you're thinking about the potential for breakthrough therapy designation. Have you requested this? Has FDA given you any indication, particularly given they awarded it in KMT2A? And then, maybe just to circle briefly back on your previous answer regarding the NPM1 efficiency range or efficacy range, certainly, you mentioned for physicians higher the better, but is that 20% floor you mentioned necessary for approval? Does that still apply, or is that higher? Thanks.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Yeah, Jason, thanks for the question. So first of all, for NPM1 in terms of breakthrough therapy designation, we had -- in the Phase 1, we had 14 patients that were at the RP2D, which I think we have been very clear, it basically falls short of what's required for submission for breakthrough. So, we didn't have the applicable data for that designation. So, we have not applied at the time. And so, we are right now running a trial. If we decide, obviously, once the data is available, that it's a good idea to apply for breakthrough at that point if it helps us in our submission, then we could always apply for it. It's very important to have from your first indication, which we, of course, had, which led to [indiscernible] and other things that advantaged us with KMT2A. Having breakthrough for your second indication is less impactful. So again, just to be clear, we didn't apply for it. It didn't -- we didn't have the data from the Phase 1 at the right dose. In order to substantiate that, you need at least 20 patients' worth of data. So that's how that came about. So no, we did not apply for it. And then, your second question I know you're focused on the 20% hurdle for NPM1. I think as I said before, the precedent here, again, these therapies in AML, 20% or higher CR/CRh rate, duration of response in the four- to six-month range, those are general parameters that we see other drugs get approved by, and that's just historical precedent. I think from our standpoint, having a CR/CRh rate north of 20% would be a good result because it likely result in a statistically significant trial, and that would be seen as approvable and impactful for patients. I think when I said the higher the better, it would be obviously nice to see a point estimate that's higher than that, but not necessarily mandatory. So, I think we're feeling quite good. We've seen data in Phase 1, as I pointed out, highest in category, 36%, the RP2D. So, we have no reason to believe that we're going to fall short. We feel very confident, and we've talked about the fact that there's differences between KMT2A and NPM1 in terms of transplant rate and how that impacts -- potentially impacts the CR/CRh rate, which could be favorable in this regard relative to what we seen for KMT2A. So, we feel very good, and we'll see the data soon. So thank you.

Jason Zemansky

Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from George Farmer with Scotiabank. Your line is now open.

George Farmer

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I really appreciate your decision to disclose the additional KMT2A data. A question on this 6.4-month duration that you showed in 97 patients with the February cutoff. Are you going to be showing anything more mature than that? And is it possible that we could see something closer to the 13 months that you reported from the first 57 patients?

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Yeah, thanks, George. I wouldn't anticipate we're going to update the data set again. I think we have an approval coming and we have NPM1 data to focus on. It obviously takes a lot of work to continue to interrogate a data set. And I think we're very keen to kind of get this drug approved. And obviously, real world, we'll get a chance to see how it performs relative to all of these measures, whether it's patients staying on drug, maintenance, what have you. And so, I think the 6.4 seems very consistent, obviously. The 13-month extension on the 57 was an encouraging result. I think, as I mentioned before, kind of lets us believe or potentially believe that there's a longer duration possible with follow-up and it was a point in time. So, I just -- at this point, we don't have any plans to update the data set beyond what we've already provided.

George Farmer

Analyst

Okay. And then, the HOVON trial, when do you anticipate that concluding and to be reporting on data? Maybe I missed that in your primary comments.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Yeah. I think we haven't given any specific time line to conclude that. I think there's some general parameters of trials that are similar like [VIALE-A] (ph) that was roughly a four-year trial or something in that range. And this is an OS-driven endpoint. So, it will take time to read out. But at the end of the day, we haven't provided a specific time line to complete the trial just yet. We need to get it started. We'll get it started at the end of the year, and then we'll give more guidance as we go.

George Farmer

Analyst

Okay. And then one more, if you don't mind. With the Royalty Pharma deal, were they looking at the potential of Niktimvo in IPF by any chance when they were contemplating the term?

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Yeah. So, we're very excited about Royalty Pharma's partnership with us and how they really looked at the opportunity for the drug over many years, not just in GVHD, but potentially beyond that. I'll note that there is a cap on the transaction. In other words, they have a -- we're paying them back 2.35 times what they've put into the transaction, which supports and the drug forecast seemed it will support that. And then some, we believe that they looked at all of the indications and the potential indications, both in GVHD as relapsed/refractory frontline as well as the extensions IPF included to arrive at a forecast that supported the deal on their end, and it aligned very closely with what we believe, right? And really quite a robust forecast, which is different, of course, than what the market has believed up to this point. So, we feel that the partnership is well aligned and the value that we were able to attain in this deal for Syndax is quite helpful and supportive long term of our objectives.

George Farmer

Analyst

Okay. Good. Thanks very much.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Kalpit Patel with B. Riley Securities. Your line is now open.

Kalpit Patel

Analyst

Yeah. Hey. Good afternoon, and thanks for taking the question. Just one more follow-up on that overall survival endpoint in the frontline triplet trial. I guess I understand the rationale for just including NPM1 patients in that analysis, but is there a minimum efficacy threshold that you need for the KMT2Ar patients to make sure that they will be included on the label? Or do you just need to hit the primary endpoint for NPM1 patients?

Neil Gallagher

Analyst

Yeah, thanks for the question. So, as I mentioned, the study is designed to test the hypothesis in NPM1 patients, right? So, the statistical power is designed around that number. The approximate number of patients that has been disclosed publicly includes a certain amount of KMT2A patients. We will be looking for consistency of effect in the KMT2A patients, but the study is not designed to test a statistical hypothesis in those patients. [I can't] (ph) comment on what may happen from a regulatory perspective down the road, but the primary objective or the primary reason for predicting the study is to have the drug approved in combination with ven/aza for NPM1 patients.

Kalpit Patel

Analyst

Okay. got it. And then, at ASH, I guess what sort of additional analysis should we expect for the KMT2Ar patients from the pivotal cohort, if any, anything at all? I think a lot of investors have been wondering what the efficacy analysis is like for patients based on the number of priors and the types of priors and just looking at a baseline demographic. Thank you.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Yeah. Go ahead, Neil. Why don't you...

Neil Gallagher

Analyst

Yeah. Look, we've been pretty busy. We're focused on getting the abstract in as it stands. You can expect to see additional analyses, additional data presented at ASH, but we haven't been specific about exactly what those details are. But you can expect to see more detail around it at the ASH presentation. Sorry, I can't be more specific.

Kalpit Patel

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Thank you very much.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Justin Zelin with BTIG. Your line is now open.

Justin Zelin

Analyst · BTIG. Your line is now open.

Thanks for taking our question, and congrats on the progress. So, on the revumenib filing, I understand that patients are regularly tested for KMT2A status, but do you expect you'll need a companion diagnostic for approval?

Michael Metzger

Analyst · BTIG. Your line is now open.

Yeah, thanks, Justin, for the question. No, I don't -- I think -- look, we haven't really gotten into discussion about what will be necessary for regulatory approval, but there is precedent for companion diagnostic post approval. So, I think at this point, we feel very confident that we'll be able to get the drug approved and that there may be requirement down the line for companion diagnostic. But there is -- for KMT2A, there are some existing diagnostics available that make testing available and robust. So, at this stage, a little bit more to say post approval, but I think at this point, we have all the confidence that we're on track to get the drug approved, and we'll follow up with that.

Justin Zelin

Analyst · BTIG. Your line is now open.

Okay. Great. Thanks for taking our question.

Michael Metzger

Analyst · BTIG. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I'll now turn the floor over to Mr. Michael Metzger for any additional comments or closing remarks.

Michael Metzger

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and thank you all. We appreciate you tuning in today to discuss our recent progress and the transformative milestones that we have ahead. We look forward to seeing many of you at the upcoming Guggenheim, UBS, Stifel and Jefferies conferences in November, as well as our ASH event in December. And with that, have a great evening.