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Smart Sand, Inc. (SND)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 6, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Smart Sand’s Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Josh Jayne, Finance Manager. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Josh Jayne

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for joining us for Smart Sand’s Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. On the call today, we have Chuck Young, Founder and Chief Executive Officer; Lee Beckelman, Chief Financial Officer; and John Young, Chief Operating Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind all participants that our comments made today will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. For a complete discussion of such risks and uncertainties, please refer to the company’s press release and our documents on file with the SEC. Smart Sand disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any financial projections or forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events or otherwise. This conference call contains time-sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast today, November 6, 2019. Additionally, we may refer to the non-GAAP financial measures of adjusted EBITDA and contribution margin during this call. These measures, when used in combination with GAAP results, provide us and our investors with useful information to better understand our business. Please refer to our most recent press release or our public filings for our reconciliations of adjusted EBITDA to net income and contribution margin to gross profit. I would now like to turn the call over to our CEO, Chuck Young.

Charles Young

Analyst

Thanks, Josh. I’m happy to report that the third quarter produced both some good financial results and continued progress on our long-term plans and objectives. Smart Sand remains on the move. Let’s start with some numbers. In spite of a protected industry slowdown, we posted sales volumes of 611,000 tons, adjusted EBITDA of $28.8 million and net income of $10.8 million. In addition, we generated $22.9 million in cash flows from operations. Lee will take you through the rest of the key numbers in his report. Now, let’s look long-term. I’d like to start off by reiterating what we’ve said time and time again. We’re in the business for the long haul, and we’re always looking for customers that want to partner with us to create sustainable, efficient, long-term frac sand supply chains. We’re committed to working with our customers to find mutually beneficial sand supply, logistics and last-mile services or any combination thereof, that will ensure both their long-term success and ours. This quarter saw several positive developments. For one, we settled our lawsuit with Schlumberger. We were able to find mutually beneficial terms, terms that allowed us to continue our long-term relationship. We pride ourselves on our ability to maintain long-term relationships with our customers. And we’ve shown this once again with the new long-term agreement with Schlumberger. In this quarter, we also executed contracts with 2 new SmartDepot customers. That brings us to 4 fleets currently in the field. We continue to see growing interest from both new and existing customers for our last-mile solutions. We’re able to deploy our silos and have them operating the field as quickly as our customers need. In addition, we’ve been busy developing new transloading technology for use on the wellsite. We’ll have more to share on this in the future.…

Lee Beckelman

Analyst

Thanks, Chuck. Today, I’ll be going over the third quarter 2019 financial results, and my comments primarily will be focused on comparing them to the second quarter 2019 results. As Chuck highlighted, we had a very busy quarter. Starting with sales volume. We sold approximately 611,000 tons in the third quarter. Sales volumes in the quarter were negatively impacted by weather related shipping delays in the Bakken and a slowdown in spot sales due to a drop in the overall well completions activity in the third quarter. In regards to revenues, total revenues were $65.7 million in the third quarter. Just below our second quarter revenues of $67.9 million. Sand sales revenue, including reservation charges was $29.7 million in the third quarter, down modestly from $31.4 million in the second quarter. Logistics revenue, which includes freight for certain mine gate sand sales, railcar usage and logistics services, including our SmartSystem rentals, was approximately $20.4 million, which was consistent with the second quarter logistics revenue of $20.3 million. In the third quarter, we recognized $15.6 million in shortfall revenue compared to $16.3 million of shortfall revenue in the second quarter. As we have mentioned before our take-or-pay contracts with minimum quarterly and annual required volumes and payments provide Smart Sand with a stable source of revenue to help the company manage through the industry operating cycles. $14 million and $10.8 million of the shortfall revenue in the third and second quarter, respectively, were related to a contract currently in litigation. Our cost of sales for the quarter was $38.6 million compared to $43.1 million in the previous quarter. The decrease in cost of sales is primarily due to lower overall volumes, disciplined cost management at our Oakdale facility and seasonal production efficiencies we experienced as we begin the buildup of our…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from John Watson with Simmons Energy. Your line is now open.

John Watson

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning.

Charles Young

Analyst

Good morning, John.

Lee Beckelman

Analyst

Good morning.

John Watson

Analyst

Lee, you mentioned 2020 operating cash flow exceeding CapEx. I was wondering if you could provide some updated color on where 2020 CapEx could fall.

Lee Beckelman

Analyst

Well, John, we’re not going to give specific guidance on CapEx for 2020. And then I think as we’ve demonstrated in 2019 year-to-date and through our comments that we have flexibility in how we can manage our capital expenditures. So, depending on how activities going and our cash flow is growing, we have the ability to be able to contract or expand our capital to kind of match up to that. And we’re committed to making sure that our CapEx will be spent below what our cash flow is.

John Watson

Analyst

Okay. Understood. And I appreciate if you can’t specific this either. But you received a cash payment from a lawsuit and you also have a recent contract termination that will provide a cash payment. Could you provide any color on the cadence of these payments in Q4? And if they dip into 2020, what that might look like?

Lee Beckelman

Analyst

Well, I can’t give specifics on the actual number, amount of the payments. But in terms of the payments that were recognized in Q4, they likely will actually be generate cash in early first quarter 2020.

John Watson

Analyst

Okay, okay, understood. And then, lastly for me, you gave the guidance for Q4, which is helpful, and I think fits well with what we’re hearing from other completions players. I was wondering if there’s any weakness in Northern White pricing baked into that guidance. Has it held up as you expected or have we started to see pricing deteriorate, given where activity is headed?

William John Young

Analyst

Yeah, so, John, this is John Young here. Pricing is still – in Northern White, still appears to have some strength. We’ve seen a little bit of deterioration. But in the spot business, we’re kind of in the low- to mid-20s right now, which doesn’t represent a huge deterioration from where we were in the last quarter.

John Watson

Analyst

Okay, understood.

William John Young

Analyst

And demand continues to remain strong for kind of the finer grades of sand, the 40/70 and 100-mesh.

John Watson

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, John. Congrats on the strong cash flow. I’ll turn it back.

William John Young

Analyst

Thanks, John.

Charles Young

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from George O’Leary with Tudor, Pickering, Holt. Your lien is now open. George O’Leary: Good morning, guys.

Charles Young

Analyst

Good morning.

William John Young

Analyst

Good morning. George O’Leary: Maybe piggybacking on John’s initial question, but just asking it slightly differently. Can you remind us what you view as maintenance CapEx for the business? And then, I realize you can throttle up or throttle down depending on how activity is. But as we think about where – what buckets you might spend growth CapEx on, can you just kind of frame the opportunities that’s been the most intriguing to you for deployment of growth CapEx at this point?

Lee Beckelman

Analyst

Well, in terms of maintenance CapEx, again, it’s kind of dependent on projects, including efficiency projects. But order of magnitude, our maintenance CapEx is probably in the $5 million to no more than $10 million a-year range, and it will probably be at the lower end of that on pure maintenance. In terms of growth prospects and capital, primarily, most of our growth capital today continues to be in supporting – building up our last-mile storage system, the SmartSystems, and deploying those into the market. And so the vast majority right now of growth capital that we would plan in 2020 would be continuing the build-out of those fleets, with the intention of seeing a greater utilization and an implication in the marketplace. George O’Leary: Great. That’s helpful. And then on that plan on the SmartDepot front, if you think about just – you just framed it from a customer dialogue standpoint I realize the outlook for 2022 is probably fairly murky, but over the next 3, 6 months what’s the appetite from customers to either test out new systems or display systems that they’re not happy with? How’s that customer dialogue going?

William John Young

Analyst

Yeah. So John here again. So what I would comment on there is with the customers that we’ve deployed our silos to, in general, they seem to be very happy with the low-depth levels that are inherent in the design. All our silos already exceed the OSHA standards that are due to come in, I think, in 2021. We’re – our focus is, obviously, on reducing the number of trucks, reducing the number of loads. And so as we continue to deploy new technology in this space, it’ll be focused on increasing the use of bottom-dump trailers, which increase throughput. So Chuck had kind of alluded to a new technology we’re working on. That is along those lines. So we’re excited about – I think your question was on the next 36 months. We’re really excited about the next 36 months. And quite frankly, we’re excited about the next 12 months in this space.

Charles Young

Analyst

And the other thing I would add is with this new OSHA standards, we think there’s a lot of solutions out there that won’t work with that, and we think we’re in a perfect position to pick up that market share. George O’Leary: Great. Thanks for the color, guys. I’ll turn it back over.

Charles Young

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stephen Gengaro with Stifel. Your line is now open.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Thank you, and good morning, gentlemen.

Lee Beckelman

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Good morning.

Charles Young

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Good morning.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Can you help us – I’m trying to parse this out a little bit, and I was curious if you’d be willing to give a little bit of color around this. So when I look at kind of year-over-year and I understand kind of the seasonal cost of goods sold benefit, is there any color or guidance you can – you could help us with around gross margins on sand sales versus, I think, starting to strip out shortfall revenue? I’m just trying to get a kind of a picture of how I should think about the current margin levels as we look into 2020. And maybe I’m not sure you can – if there is any color on sort of contracted volumes, maybe just – if you’d be willing to add some color on the contracted volume status as we look into 2020.

Lee Beckelman

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Well, again, we don’t give specific guidance on contribution margins or gross profit, but what I think you can take from where we’re at year-to-date and kind of look at that right now, we think that will be consistent with what we would see in 2020. So in terms of how you’re looking at it with or without shortfall revenues, I think you can look at that and say right now, we feel this could be relatively consistent in terms of margin capabilities. In terms of contracts, right now, we’ve got about 55%, I believe, of our capacity under contract for 2020. And we continue to work on new contracts and new opportunities, but we continue to see those contracts playing out throughout 2020 as they have in 2019.

Charles Young

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

I think a big part of the picture right now is that most of our competitors pay more in interest than we have in total debt, and we think that, that will become a big part of the future of frac sand this coming year. So either people need to start paying back their debt, free cash flow on a little bit or there’s going to some severe problems for many of our competitors, and we think we’re in the best position.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Okay. That’s helpful. As I – as a point of…

Charles Young

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

It’s kind of a showstopper, right?

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Yeah. No, I mean, the cash flow is positive, and things seem to be going well. So that’s – it’s – there’s clearly differentiation. I would agree with you. When you look at the first 9 months of 2019, just so I can sort of benchmark it a little bit, the shortfall revenue basically, is it largely just drop straight to the [oping point, maybe that which I] [ph] think about it when I sort of…

Lee Beckelman

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Stephen, as you’ve asked this question before in the past, we don’t give specific and we don’t talk specifically about the shortfall revenues and how they drop through to the – throughout the financials. And we don’t talk specifically about anything that’s under litigation. So there’s really nothing else we’re going to say about that.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst · Stifel. Your line is now open.

Okay. Got you. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Lucas Pipes with B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning, everybody.

Charles Young

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Good morning.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

I wanted to also follow-up on the contract position. My sense is that pricing adjusts with WTI. And I wondered, are current prices – are the prices you get under your contracts comparable to current spot-prices that we could see in, for Northern White or is there may be a discrepancy?

Lee Beckelman

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Well, it depends. Specifically, it’s contract by contract. But generally there – where we’re at relative to the WTI and how our contract structure works, we’re relatively in line with spot prices.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Got it. That’s very helpful. I appreciate that. And then, can you remind us of the tenure of your contract?

Lee Beckelman

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Currently, our contract life on a weighted average basis is just about around 15 months.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

I appreciate that. That’s helpful. Thank you. And then, bigger picture question on the demand side, in your prepared remarks you referenced the potential for higher demand again in 2020 as budgets kind of get reset to higher levels. What’s your degree of confidence in demand coming back early next year? Would appreciate your color and subjective thoughts on this. Thank you.

Lee Beckelman

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Yeah, sure. So, obviously, we got a good amount of experience now in kind of fourth quarter, what I’ll call seasonality and you can’t ignore some of the things that happened in the past years. It seems like seasonality takes over, as we get into kind of Thanksgiving, be on vacations and budget exhaustion. But the conversations we’ve been having with our customers indicate that we’re going to be having a relatively strong first half of next year. The real question that remains in our mind is to how quickly that picks up once we hit January, right, do we have any kind of hangover from kind of the Christmas period or do we get started on January 1? And we’ve seen varying degrees of that over the years, so it’s hard to predict. With regard to kind of overall volume demand, I think it’s very much tied to commodity price on the oil side. And, if oil continues to kind of – on its trajectory, a kind of a march up into the $60s and $70s, I think we’ll continue to see robust demand for Northern White sand.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Got it. Okay, well, I appreciate it and best of luck.

Lee Beckelman

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Thanks, Lucas.

Charles Young

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from [George Umass with Roth Capital, LLC] [ph]. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Charles Young

Analyst

Good morning.

William John Young

Analyst

Good morning, George.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Pardon me, if you answered this earlier. But last quarter, you mentioned that 30% of your volumes year-to-date were into the Bakken. Can you refresh that number for us?

William John Young

Analyst

Yeah, well, we’ve actually been talking about different regions. And year-to-date, our volumes into the Western United States, which includes the Bakken, Colorado and other markets; it’s about 55%.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I’m not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Chuck Young for any further remarks.

Charles Young

Analyst

Thank you for joining us for Smart Sand’s third quarter 2019 earnings call. We look forward to reporting to you again in the New Year.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.