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Q4 2007 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 1, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the fourth quarter and full year 2007 earnings conference call hosted by Snap-On Incorporated. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. At the conclusion of our remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder this call is being recorded and I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Mr. Marty Ellen, Chief Financial Officer. You may begin your conference.

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Thank you, Dana, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to review Snap-On’s 2007 fourth quarter results. By now you should have seen our press release issued last evening. As you’ve seen, this was a record quarter and full year. We believe this quarter further demonstrates the achievements we’ve made in many of our core operating and growth initiatives. We’ll discuss these with you today. Joining me is Nick Pinchuk, Snap-On’s President and CEO, along with Jack Michaels, Snap-On’s Chairman. Nick will kick off our call this morning with some perspective on our operating results. I will then provide a review of our financial results. Afterwards we’ll take your questions. Consistent with past practice, we will use slides to help illustrate our discussion. You can find a copy of these slides on our website next to the audio icon for this call. These slides will be archived on our website along with a transcript of today’s call. Any statements made during this call relative to management’s expectations, estimates, or beliefs or otherwise state management’s or the company’s outlook, plans, or projections are forward-looking statements and actual results may differ materially from those made in such statements. Additional information and the factors that could cause our results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are contained in our SEC filings. This call is copyrighted material by Snap-On Incorporated. It is intended solely for the purpose of this audience, therefore, it cannot be recorded, transcribed, or rebroadcast by any means without Snap-On’s express permission. With that I will now turn the call over to Nick. Nick?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Thanks, Marty. For those of you following the slides, I’m starting on slide number 5. In my view, the past quarter and in fact this past year have been quite encouraging. Q4 sales were $743 million and that’s up over 14%. Full year sales were more than 2.8 billion and that’s up over 15%. The earnings per share in the fourth quarter of $0.98 is represents well over a 40% increase depending on how you look at the comparison and the full year is $3.23. It was record quarter, it was a record year. I was pretty encouraged. When we look back at it though from a distance, we’d like to characterize it as another step forward on what’s becoming for Snap-On a reasonably well-defined and repeatable path of improvement. We see that path laid out before us. Sales gains, heightened productivity, cost reduction, margin expansion, they were all in abundant evidence in the operating results of the fourth quarter and it’s that particular progress and each of those areas that contributed pretty significantly to the record earnings for both the quarter and the full year. If you want to look at it from another perspective, the fourth quarter’s clearly demonstrative of the corporation’s diversity from our broad, wise, and expanding global presence, from our diverse professional and industrial customer base, our extensive product line, our well-recognized brands, our legendary service, and some pretty strong group of associates. All of that, we believe, has us well positioned in some pretty key market segments. I think at this point, at least in this environment, it’s worth noting that the primary drive of our business is the professional vehicle repair sector. That’s an area particularly resilient in most economies. We also benefit from significant activities in a broad range of industries, good…

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

As I said earlier in my comments, the fourth quarter in particular and the year 2007 in general were quite encouraging. The results I think provide testimony that the path we’re taking extending our C&I business down the runway we see there, taking full advantage of the terrific business model we have in the van channel, integrating business solutions, building our software portfolio, driving innovation, and continuing to improve and working RCI, it seems to be working, it seems to be succeeding, and it’s delivering a trend now for a number of quarters of achievement, but I suppose the question on the mind of most people is what about the environment? In the near term it’s likely that economic winds will be some challenge, but there are always challenges in business and if you look at the first quarter we’ve managed well so far and we’re pretty confident that we can manage going forward, and that’s because our businesses are positioned in favorable sectors. Our activities are spread among multiple industries all over, over many geographies. Our strategies we’re pretty sure are sound. Our competitive position has never been stronger and our operating capabilities and our skills are improving. We can see it every day. So that’s why we’re optimistic. We’re optimistic about continuing our trend of improvement through 2008 and beyond. We feel pretty good about the position we have. Now I’ll turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Operator

Operator

Today’s question and answer session will be conducted electronically. (Operator Instructions) We will proceed in the order that you signal us and we’ll take as many questions as time permits. We’ll pause for a moment to assemble our roster. We’ll go first to Alexander Paris with Barrington Research Associates.

Alexander Paris - Barrington Research Associates

Management

Good quarter. Just a couple of quick questions here. You mentioned 6% of sales in the fourth quarter are from Asia Pacific. You are not including Japan and Australia in that? These were just the emerging countries, right?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

No, no, I was including everything, which makes the base, I was including Japan in that.

Alexander Paris - Barrington Research Associates

Management

So that’s only 6% of in Japan --:

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Japan is about a $50 million business I think and our businesses in Asia Pacific and what you would call the emerging markets I think in the full year are about $83 million. Alexander Paris - Barrington Research Associates For example, India and China are fast growing areas. Are they amenable to van distributions? Do the mechanics own their own tools?:

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Unlikely, no. The mechanics do not own their own tools in that area, so they’re not I guess fertile ground for the van channel as we know it. They are grounds though for vans used in things like demonstration vans where you can develop businesses. The model that would be deployed in places like in India and China would be more like the model we deployed with Bahco, and we do deploy a van model primarily in distribution around Japan where technicians don’t own their own tools. So what we see developing in India and China are a variety of distribution channels. One would be direct for bigger customers, two would be through distributors, and we’re building a growing number of distributors, that’s what’s been successful for us in Europe, and then in selected places demonstration vans, but you won’t see it the way you saw it and the way we see it in the United States because the technicians do not own their own tools. We still feel pretty positive about the prospects of expanding in that area. Alexander Paris - Barrington Research Associates Yeah, they’re making more and more cars. :

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

The cars and the car parts are growing substantially. Alexander Paris - Barrington Research Associates Speaking of the domestic van business that in North America, the 1% growth, that’s under the market growth. I’m just wondering, your dealers may be reducing some of their inventory just in the face of the economic environment or what?:

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

We have a lot of variation, I will talk to you about the sales change for the franchisee improvement year-over-year. We tend to get a lot of variation from quarter to quarter so we don’t put much stock in a particular quarter. The four quarters of this year were something like 5% growth, 1% growth, 7% growth, and 1% growth this year. So we see a lot of variation. I will tell you this, that we have a kick off that comes every January for the year by region. Chicago had one, Phoenix had one. Marty, by the way, went to the Phoenix kick off, I went to the Chicago kick off. There’s something wrong with that picture I might add. But in that kick off, our franchisees order and they ordered a record amount of product this time. So we feel pretty positive. The 1% doesn’t bother us at all. Of course we always remain vigilant. We read the paper and we’re watching everything, but in fact, based on the kick off, we feel pretty good about our position. Alexander Paris - Barrington Research Associates Just one more quick question and then I’ll get off, I’m sorry. There’s a huge momentum that you have. You keep reading the forecast which is great and it’s longer term. It can’t continue. Where are you in times of say RCI opportunities? A quarter way through? Half, three quarters and when it settles down a little bit more, given all the changes you’ve made, what would you say your longer term, say 3 to 5 year, growth that you would be expecting or hoping for in terms of top line --:

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

That’s a several part question. This is the famous Jack Michaels answer to the RCI question and he usually says 3 to 4 and I am not contradicting him about that. I can tell you that everywhere we go in the organization, we can see abundant opportunity for RCI improvement, and by that I mean obvious things that can be improved and done better. RCI had quite a bit of improvement in 2007 so we feel pretty strongly that we can continue that going forward. Now in terms of our growth and profitability going forward, I think Marty had said here for 2010 in terms of operating income we’re targeting a middish double digit number, I don’t know exactly where that word came from, but middish double digit number by 2010, and I think you can expect us to target growing between 5% and 10% -- mid single digits in sales and try to get mid double digits in profit moving forward. That’s the kind of thing we do.

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Alex, it’s Marty and we’ve talked in the past about a model that out to 2010 when we first looked at that as a planning horizon a year or so ago that we thought we could expand operating margins to about 13% and we previously acknowledged that given where we are today, we’re probably ahead of where we thought we would be at this point and now believe we could probably take that 13% up by 2010 to say mid double digits. We think there’s that kind of market expansion, the business, we’re comfortable with the organic growth in the mid single digits but as we’ve said and people have asked on the margin expansion side where we think it is and we’ve said in the past we thought we had a lot of opportunity in SG&A and I think you’re seeing some of that come through in the numbers we’re now reporting.

Alexander Paris - Barrington Research Associates

Management

Again, thanks very much. Sorry for too many questions. Great quarter.

Operator

Operator

We’ll go next to Steven Nissan with Mindflow Capital Investments.

Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments

Management

Thanks a lot, guys. First of all Jack, congratulations on the outstanding tenure with Snap-On and continued success in your future endeavors. A couple of things, Nick, that piqued my attention. You guys obviously had an outstanding Rapid Continuous Improvement program in place. What metrics are you guys using with the [inaudible] so as to measure success in terms of like OEE, RONA, some of those are the bigger metrics out there with [inaudible]. Are you using those types of metrics? And also, have you guys given yourself visibility into root causes of failures with your production process, and what are you doing to catch those root causes at the time to make the necessary adjustments to improve on [inaudible]? Well, you know, first thing, let me just say that we try to, that’s a big question. Let me just say that we order the business fundamentals in this way: safety, quality, delivery, and cost. So we have measurements along each of those categories. I talked a little bit about delivery with complete non time so that’s one of the things where we measure our effectiveness in RCI. The 88% going to 94% is a good example of that. We do track in terms of cost we track the productivity on a sales per head count basis and of course there’s the macro which is the RONA bit number which encompasses everything. We look at those two things. In terms of safety, we have incident rates which we track on a biweekly basis at the corporate level, so those are the big things. In terms of quality it tends to break down more product by product and plant by plant because there’s a lot of variations on how to measure that product activity, and I will tell you that Snap-On has had great record in terms of quality but Jack and I have talked about this when he was there and we have more to do in terms of measuring quality in each of our plants. Right now what we do is we measure at the plant level. We have non-parallel activities in terms of looking at reject rates and measuring them carefully, understanding the P charge to the statistical process analysis and trying to catch everything in the plant. What we don’t do is have the customer feedback as well as we might and we’re going to be putting that in place over 2007. Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments Do you think you guys have your vis a vi in control to where you’re able to catch failures before they actually --

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Absolutely in the plants. Absolutely. What I’m not satisfied with and what we need to do a lot more work on is what happens in the field after it’s been there for a while. We do catch infant mortality. Our product is quite durable so we don’t have a lot of data coming back from the field but we don’t have the mechanisms in place to monitor that should we have a problem. Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments What systems are you going to be putting in place to keep accelerating these outstanding RCI initiatives that you have in place?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

I don’t think we’re going to be doing anything greatly different. Each of our activities of a certain size and most of them I think it’s more than 100 people has a full time RCI coordinator. We study at the feet of probably the world’s expert shin jujitsu, the people who put the Toyota production system in place in Japan, we have them in our plants regularly. We have our people train under them and we keep pushing that envelope to try to make sure we keep expanding and improving the continuous improvement. So you have people in place who are professionals, you have the shin jujitsu who is there leading specific events, and you have a whole bunch of other events that are not outside led, consultant led, but are led by the internal people that are driving his. Then one final thing, is every year, we think this is pretty important, every year we bring together the best teams who have done the most outstanding job, made the biggest impact on their operations. We bring them to a central site and we celebrate their success.

Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments

Management

Kind of like a president’s club in a way. Yeah, we call it the RCI conference. We’re going to have it I think in February coming up here and what happens is they come to the meeting, they make a presentation, they display their event, and they have a celebratory dinner recognizing them.

Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments

Management

So is that usually the top person from each plant or...?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

No, we bring like the team from each plant, so we bring 5 people from Portugal that have never been outside of Portugal, to the United States. Some of this, this celebration, is an important piece of it.

Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments

Management

Regarding [through put], are there still any plants that concern you in terms of metrics they are not achieving or how is that going or are you pretty satisfied with all your plants’ productivity? Are there certain areas of the country or world that are still not achieving [through put]?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

I can tell you this. I’m satisfied with none of my plants. We’re not satisfied at all. We are happier with some of them, but we are unsatisfied with all of them. Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments Final question, you’ve been on board for about a month. Obviously --

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

I’ve actually been here for a little --

Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments

Management

I mean, as CEO, but you’ve been present CEO for quite some time, and in your new title you’ve been on board for a little while and 2008 is going to be very challenging for a lot, a lot of it can be out there in the factory, what’s going to be your number one goal to accomplish for your full year as CEO that you want to tell the shareholders, “I’m the right man for the job and this is how I’m going to prove shareholder value.”

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Wow, we’re going to continue... Well first of all, I want to stop for a minute. We are not similar to many companies in this sector. I think there’s an important point. We are deeply routed in the vehicle repair sector. Repair metrics, spending in the United States on vehicle repair are going up 4.6% year-over-year, and it’s been steady. The car park is growing at 2% a year, but it’s aging fast every year. It’s aged every year since 1960. 39% of the cars are over 10 years old, no, 39% of the cars are over 10 years old and over half of them are off of warranty. So vehicle repair is a very resilient business to be in. We’re not like most people or most of the companies we get lumped in with. Now if you’re going to talk about our particular next year, we want to maintain the balance of growth and continuous improvement. That’s what I believe we can deliver to shareholders. We have ample opportunity for continuous improvement. We’re going to keep that up and we have runway for growth, and vehicle repair and in industrial business and in the emerging market. In the vehicle repair business you could look at vans and say, “Well that business might be affected.” We don’t think the underlying economics will be affected and there’s one other thing that’s important. About 10% of our van routes are now open. We can fill those routes, regardless of the economy. There are 1.3 million technicians in North America. We only access at our complete network today 850,000. We can access the remainder. So we have a lot more runway, I think under any circumstances, just a matter of unlocking it. So the balance is what I’m looking for to deliver to shareholders.

Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments

Management

I think with the big jump in the stock price today shareholders are firmly behind you and believe you are the right man for the job.

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Thank you.

Steven Nissan - Mindflow Capital Investments

Management

Good luck in 2008.

Operator

Operator

Your next question is from Jonathan Steinmetz with Morgan Stanley. Jonathan Steinmetz - Morgan Stanley Good morning, everyone. A few questions here. Just very near term oriented. You guys, if I remember correctly, have a fairly tough sales comparison in the first quarter. I think there was some blue point sort of channel fill in the first quarter of last year. If we pull out currency, do you think you can continue to grow at sort of this mid-single digit rate or does the comparison make that difficult to start the year?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Comparison makes it more difficult but we feel pretty good about our opportunities to keep our momentum going. I think we’re not backing off our idea that we’re going to grow mid-single digits. Because we have a lot of opportunities. As I said, the industrial business, we don’t want to ignore that. Grew at 23% in the last quarter. That’s continuing. I just got back from a conference with 500 of those industrial salesmen and they were pretty robust. As I said, I went to the kick off meeting and they did order a record number, amount of product, but I can tell you talking to, and I was at the Chicago meeting so it’s one region, but Marty would I think testify the Phoenix region was similar. Most of the dealers or the franchisees in that situation were very robust, very positive. Now sometimes when you go to events like this they’re revved up, you know, and they get excited and they become positive, but their numbers back it up. So we feel pretty good about this.

Jonathan Steinmetz - Morgan Stanley

Management

Okay. Marty, and I have missed this, but if you could talk a little bit from the financial services side. Do you have any credit metrics you can share on delinquency trends or charge offs there? We get asked a lot given what’s going on from a sub prime perspective as you can imagine and a credit perspective. Any numbers you can share there about trends?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Yes. First of all, I think as many of you know, we’ve been in this called sub-prime lending business for a long, long time and our model is pretty unique because our underwriting standards are pretty disciplined and we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that while we think about our 3,000 or so franchisees as selling Snap-On product, there are also 3,000 people collecting at each customer’s place of business on a weekly basis. The delinquency trends in the portfolio are actually still at reasonably historically low levels. Now they have ticked up a little bit but what’s interesting is that a little bit of tick up in a 30 plus category doesn’t really show itself in 60 days so could that be a sign of some slow payments, yes, but nothing that’s causing us concern when we look at the level of these numbers.

Jonathan Steinmetz - Morgan Stanley

Management

Okay, and you don’t think availability of credit is sort of constraining anyone from either sales or for anyone getting off the ground?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

In terms of our sales?

Jonathan Steinmetz - Morgan Stanley

Management

Yes.

Martin M. Ellen

Management

No, I mean, we have defined credit programs and we offer those to our franchisees to offer them to their customers and as I said, these are products we’ve offered them for a long time in the market place. You should know that our franchisees actually, their delinquencies for their customers exceed certain defined levels. It’s actually a little punitive for them, so it’s really incumbent upon them if they want to continue to use finance as an aid to enhance their sales that they really pay attention to collections. Collections both in terms of ECs and really collections of their own RA books as we call them is really the fundamental piece of the model and I’ll echo what Nick said coming out of Phoenix and these meetings were the middle of January so the data is relatively new. Most of the franchisees were optimistic about their businesses and interestingly, notwithstanding what I just said about the little bit of tick in the EC portfolio, collections in January they say are pretty good, they’re actually up on a per-franchisee basis. So far we would say so good.

Jonathan Steinmetz - Morgan Stanley

Management

Okay if you guys could talk a little bit about priorities in terms of use of excess cash post the dividend payment. Any holes you want to plug, it’s been a little while now since you did the Business Solutions acquisition. Anything in that sort of $100 million, $150 million acquisition type range from a strategic perspective where you could redeploy some excess cash and plug a hole.

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Sure. We certainly are for some period now, Jack used the phrase, some of our businesses have earned the right to grow. Certainly we’re looking at Asia Pacific. Everybody would want to grow in Asia Pacific. We have a number of businesses in the C&I group and the D&I group which we want to look at acquisitions and we have a process by which we’re vetting through possible candidates. So I’m not saying we’re going to make an acquisition but we are constantly looking at that and it wouldn’t be a huge upset if down the line we made an acquisition that did plug a hole. It could be in any of our businesses because we have quite a few opportunities in emerging markets and industrial.

Jonathan Steinmetz - Morgan Stanley

Management

Where from a product, I understand the geographic type nature, where from a product perspective just sort of category wise, where would you see something like that?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Well certainly we’d see something in the diagnostic area which would be quite attractive in that area. You would feel that that would give you some possibilities. There are a number of geographic plays in terms of positioning, buying share and buying capability to produce any number of products in a number of different geographies like in Eastern Europe or in Asia Pacific, so that would be a situation, and then in our industrial businesses, we have industrial customers that trust us. They like the Snap-On brand. We have generated quite a bit of growth by packaging other products with our Snap-On products and kits and mobile tool cribs and you can see us make an acquisition to add product lines in that area.

Jonathan Steinmetz - Morgan Stanley

Management

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from Ryan McClane with Janney, Montgomery, and Scott.

Ryan McClane - Janney Montgomery Scott

Management

Good morning. You’ve spoken a little bit about the dealer network in terms of expanding total number of franchisees but I was wondering if you could kind of take it a little step further and just talk about your growth plans in general within that segment for 2008.

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Well, our growth plans in that area would be of course first and foremost I talked about the filling the open routes. I’m also talking about, I mentioned in my comments, about mid tier and the RWD, the Regional Warehouse Distribution program. Because we call on customers today who we know buy lower priced product. They buy Snap-On products, but they buy lower priced product from other vendors like Craftsman and so on, and so the mid tier product kind of soaks up some of that business. We also know that our people, our franchisees are calling on garages and walking by technicians because they know those technicians don’t buy the Snap-On product and we have something else to sell them in the mid tier, that gives them something to sell those technicians. Sell them mid tier and then move them up into the Snap-On product eventually. So you see those activities, and I think those are the major things and one other thing in terms of what we’ve seen for a long time is that our franchisees do occasionally sell other brands of products, other brands of power tools, other brands of some of our peripheral products, other brands of torque wrenches, to name two products and as you see our product line get stronger, I mentioned the CT 4850, you’re going to see us absorb some of that. So I guess you can look at our growth initiatives for the van channel in three pieces: one, fill the open routes. That’s an easy one. We have customers who love us, we’re not seeing them. Two, we have places we call on where people are buying other products and they can be our customers, we’ll sell them the mid tier. Three, we have people who are buying other branded products and products we don’t supply. We have new products that will push them out and capture some of that business back and I think fourth, I guess, the RWD where some of our franchisees have from time to time been going to independent distributors and now that we offer a wide range of products through our own independent wholesale distributor, they’ll buy through that, and we’re seeing that activity occur in the fourth quarter.

Ryan McClane - Janney Montgomery Scott

Management

Thank you, that’s helpful. The other thing I wanted to talk about was in C&I. Are there any packets of weakness that you’re seeing anywhere in terms of, you’ve touched many different types of industries, is there any industry that you’re seeing weakness in?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

You know, I don’t think so. I think if I think about this, we certainly see the tools, the industrial business which is basically hand tools being sold to wide variety industries, we don’t see any particular weakness there yet. The equipment business is very strong in Europe. In the United States it’s showing improvements, but it hasn’t been as strong as Europe. We’d like to see that a little bit stronger. The Asia Pacific business seems to be booming so C&I seems to be pretty strong across the board.

Ryan McClane - Janney Montgomery Scott

Management

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

We’ll take our next question from David Leiker with Robert W. Baird. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Good morning. I have a numbered question here Marty first on diagnostics and information. Can you quantify the impact of the facilitation business?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

That business unit roughly year-over-year has declined in sales of about $10 million. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : About $10 million and then where you talk about the hand held software information up 11, what portion of that business is made up by those product categories?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Essentially David that’s our diagnostics business and our Mitchell business so hand held diagnostics, software for hand held, and service information coming out of Mitchell. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Are you done selling large box diagnostic equipment?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Yes. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : That’s gone.

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Yes. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Great.

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Unless you want one. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : No. Thank you, thanks for the offer though. How long will this facilitation continue to be a drag?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

There will still be some negative comps coming in 2008 particularly in the first part of the year. The part it will really start to wind down in the back half of 2007. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : And how large is it do you think?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

The numbers should start to come down from the number I just gave you which was the fourth quarter number to be clear. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Okay and then if I want to, in last year’s $140 million, how much of that was Business Solutions? Do you know offhand? $20 million?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

Oh, in last year’s quarter. But in the five weeks last year, about $20 million. Right. I think it was $20.4. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : So if I wanted to do, if I stripped off Business Solution and facilitation, I get a number of $128 million and I want to compare that to the $120, is that an apples to apples number?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

You stripped it off for this year to get $128 million? David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Yes, it went from $120 million to $128 million. I get about 7% when I do that.

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

That’s about right. I think we think it’s up about 9% year-over-year but you’re in the right direction. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Okay and then if we look at emerging market, can you just give us a rundown across your business of where you are strategy wise, both in terms of addressing the market as well as from a manufacturing perspective across the businesses?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Okay, let’s talk about our manufacturing first. We have plants now, 2 plants in [Kin Shon] outside of Shanghai, in effect the Shanghai area. They produce power tools, they produce equipment, under car equipment, and they now produce saws, hacksaws specifically. That’s for the manufacturing, and obviously there’s opportunity to put more product in those plants, we have a little more space, and there’s more land available in that, so you’ll see us pushing out from that footprint itself. We do not, I guess, most importantly, make hand tools yet in Asia. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Are any of those Snap-On branded?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Well, yes. We produce equipment for the Asian market that’s Snap-On branded. We produce power tools. In fact, actually, we produce Snap-On branded power tools, Snap-On branded equipment for the Asian market and we produce a particular product called the CTS 561, a small screwdriver, like a cordless screwdriver, for the US market that is Snap-On branded. Incidentally, our target was 15,000 and it sold 139,000 units which is more than any power tool in the history of Snap-On. So it was a huge value to us and so we learned quite a lesson in that particular product line in terms of quality and in terms of introduction to the market. Now the hacksaws, the saw product as you know are usually not sold under the Snap-On brand, they’re sold under the Bahco brand and that’s being produced in that way. Okay, that’s manufacturing. If you look at distribution, David, we measure two things. One is, and the distribution tends to sell the entire product line. We have sales offices with product experts inhabiting those sales offices. I think the numbers are in 2005 or 2004 we had two offices, now by the end of this year we’ll have 20 in Asia Pacific. I think the tag line I’d like to say is when I arrived in Shanghai in 2003, all the people who worked for Snap-On in Shanghai arrived with me. And now we have 353 people in Asia so we’re expanding substantially, and then we have a number of what we call distributors throughout the region, I think the number is up to 425 now, and we keep pushing that up. Obviously there’s a bunch of support to that. We’re going to conduct 800 training sessions for those distributors this year and some of that business, obviously what happens, David, is different products in different markets take off better. For example, next year the biggest buyer of hacksaws in the Snap-On world will be in Indonesia. I think we’re one of the leading producers of hacksaws. So this is starting to be a better and better business. But as we build it, we expect to accelerate in terms of growth. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : And your manufacturing in China other than that one product, that’s all for the local region?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

You mean saws? David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : When you talked about the power equipment and saws.

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

We manufacture a pretty full line of equipment, under car equipment. We manufacture a selected line of power tools and simply the one hacksaw product for saws and we’re going to expand beyond that as we go forward. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Now are you exporting from there to other markets or is it that all for --

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

We export power tools and we export hand saws. We don’t now export equipment because it’s been eating most of the capacity. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : And then where’s your position today on the hand tools?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Right now we source out of Asia but obviously you can see us as I move forward our strategy would be to consider having hand tool production in Asia. In fact, Asia’s such a big market I think you have to think about making everything there or some version of everything. It’s worth saying when I talked about in the beginning disappointing customers, Asia was a place where we did disappoint a lot of customers. We have one of the most robust band saw businesses for example there. We couldn’t deliver enough. We couldn’t deliver enough hack saws until we got our full capacity in place. So Asia would have been even bigger had we been able to deliver. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : There’s been talk in the past there’s been reluctance on producing the Snap-On branded hand tools outside of North America. Is that still the case?

Nicholas T. Pinchuk

Management

Yes, we’re not looking to produce the hand tools but we looked at cordless power tools and we said, “Where are cordless power tools produced today?” They’re almost all produced in Asia and by the way from our perspective, it’s Snap-On designed right here in Kenosha with our engineers using the latest finite element techniques and dynamic simulation techniques and produced in Asia under Snap-On supervision to Snap-On quality levels. That applies for almost all the products but for hand tools our position is such in the United States that I don’t see us actually moving Snap-On branded hand tools to Asia in the near term. David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Okay, and then the last thing, Marty, on the light book, do you have any estimate of what impact that might have or not have here in 2008?

Martin M. Ellen

Management

I don’t but since you asked, I would let everybody know that for the full year 2007, even though we had a $6 million gain in the fourth quarter, it was only about a half million for the full year, so that meant we had charges in the earlier quarters if you haven’t looked back in 2006 while we had a $4 million charge in the fourth quarter, it was only $1 million for the full year so you do get some variation across the quarters but if you’re looking at LIFO and you’re trying to adjust margins on an operating basis, very little effect full year 2007 David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Co. : Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the call back over to Marty Ellen for any additional or closing comments.

Martin M. Ellen

Management

We thank you all for joining us this morning and thank you for your interest in Snap-On. If you have any further questions or want clarification and information we released my contact information as shown at the bottom of the press release. Thank you and have a good day.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude today’s presentation. We appreciate your participation and you may now disconnect.