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Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 23, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Kina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the SM Energy Fourth Quarter 2011 Earnings and Operations Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Thank you. David Copeland, you may begin your conference.

David Copeland

Management

Thank you, Kina. Good morning to all of you, joining us by phone and online for SM Energy’s Fourth Quarter 2011 Earnings Conference Call and Operations Update. Before we start, I’d like to advise you that we will be making forward-looking statements during this call about our plans, expectations and assumptions regarding our future performance. These statements involve risks which may cause our actual results to differ materially from the results expressed or implied in our forward-looking statements. For a discussion of these risks, you should refer to the cautionary information about forward-looking statements in our press release from yesterday afternoon, the presentation posted to our website for this call, and the “Risk Factors” section in our Form 10-K that will be filed today. We’ll also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. Reconciliation of these – those measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and other information about these non-GAAP metrics are described in our earnings press release from yesterday. Additionally, we may use the terms “probable,” “possible” and “3P reserves” and “estimated ultimate recovery,” or “EUR,” on this call. You should read the cautionary language page in our slide presentation for an important discussion of these terms and the special risks and other considerations associated with these non-proved reserve metrics. The company officials on the call this morning are Tony Best, President and Chief Executive Officer; Jay Ottoson, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; Wade Pursell, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Brent Collins, our Senior Director of Planning and Investor Relations; and myself, David Copeland, Senior Vice President and General Counsel. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Tony.

Tony Best

President

Good morning and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2011 earnings and operations call. I’ll cover a few introductory comments and then turn the call over to Wade and Jay for their respective financial and operational reviews. We will be referring to slides this morning from the presentation that was posted to our website last evening. I’m going to review our key highlights for 2011 beginning on slide number three. On the production front SM Energy had record production in 2011 of a 169.7 BCF equivalent or 28.3 million barrels of oil equivalent, which is a 54% increase over the 110 BCF equivalent we produced in 2010. Our production mix for the year was 59% natural gas and 41% liquids. Looking at quarterly production the company grew 62% from the fourth quarter of 2010 to the fourth quarter of 2011. Adjusting for divestures that occurred over the same period, production on retained assets grew 65%. Our production growth is being driven largely by our total Eagle Ford program which grew over 275% year-over-year. What a great year from a production standpoint for our company. Moving on to slide four, I’ll discuss our proved reserves at year end 2011. Total proved reserves grew 28% year-over-year to approximately 1.26 trillion cubic feet equivalent or 210 million barrels of oil equivalent. The portion of our proved reserves which are reported as liquids grew 73% for the year. Our reserves product mix at end of the year stood at 53% gas and 47% liquids. We had a slightly over one half of a TCF equivalent through the drill bit, which results in a drilling reserve replacement of 310% for the year. This growth in proved reserves was accomplished while keeping our PUD percentage relatively flat to the prior…

Wade Pursell

Management

Thanks, Tony, good morning. Now on slide eight. Total production for the quarter came in at 51.3 BCF equivalent, which is above the guidance range of 44 to 47. Higher than forecasted production from our Eagle Ford program it was the largest portion of our production beat, and our results from Bakken Three Forks were also stronger than we forecasted. Production for the quarter was also slightly less gassy than we had guided. With respect to the cost items that we guided on, we came in at or below our guidance for LOE, transportation, production taxes, and G&A for the quarter. With respect to income taxes, our effective rate came in at the low end of the range that we provided. I’ll now cover a couple of unusual items that occurred in the fourth quarter that threw us into a loss on a GAAP basis. The first is the after-tax $107 million impairment on proved properties. This impairment relates to natural gas properties located in our ArkLaTex region primarily Cotton Valley and Haynesville assets. It’s no secret that gas prices have been under a lot of downward pressure in recent months and we aren’t alone in recognizing impairments on natural gas assets this quarter. The other unusual item that needs comment is the after-tax loss on divestiture activity of $16 million. As a result of Endeavour’s failure to honor their contract with us to purchase the Marcellus assets for $80 million net to SM Energy, the accounting guidance dictates that we can no longer categorize those assets as held for sale, and we’re required to re-categorize them as held for use. As part of this re-categorization, the assets are marked to their accounting fair values as of the end of the year. As these are dry gas assets, we ended…

Jay Ottoson

Management

Thank you, Wade, and good morning everyone. 2011 was a remarkable year for us from a number of standpoints. Our drilling program allowed us to achieve company records for production and proved reserves and we made significant strides in understanding the development potential of our major plays, which will summarize today. These accomplishments required an enormous effort from our operating staff and I am very proud of the work they did this past year. With that said, we have a very ambitious program laid out again for 2012. I am now referring to slide 12. Production for the fourth quarter of 2011 reached a company record of 558 MMCFE/d or 93,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day. That is an increase of 21% from the third quarter. Our production mix in the fourth quarter stood at 56% gas and 44% liquids, which is slightly less gassy than the mix Tony showed earlier for the full year. I’ll refer listeners to our 10-K we are filing today for more details on the regional breakdown of our production and proved reserves. From a reserve standpoint we saw positive performance revisions in our key plays that were offset by negative price and cost-related performance revisions in our gassy Mid-Continent assets. The lion’s share of the divestures for the year resulted from our transactions in the Eagle Ford. The Rocky Mountain and Mid-Continent regions also had minor divestures in 2011. The net effect of this activity is summarized on the reserve roll slide that Tony showed earlier. I should note that during 2011 we converted only about 11% of our yearend 2010 PUDs to developed reserves. This is a consequence of the fact that we are still early in the development cycle on our largest projects. At this PUD conversion rate we obviously would…

Tony Best

Operator

Thank you, Jay. Before we open the call for questions, I’d like to touch on a few key takeaways from our presentation on slide 26. First and foremost, I want to reemphasize the tremendous growth the company experienced in 2011. It is a testament to our people and our efforts in executing on these large-scale projects. With regard to drilling inventory, we have now proved up a large amount of economic inventory on our acreage in the Bakken Three Forks and the Eagle Ford. The significance of this expanded resource means that SM Energy has many years of drilling inventory remaining with its current asset base. Finally, we are focused on executing our plan for continued rapid growth in 2012 while investing in new ideas and play areas to expand our project inventory well into the future. With that I’d like to open the call up for questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Your first question comes from Brian Lively, Tudor Pickering Holt. Brian Lively – Tudor Pickering Holt: Good morning.

Tony Best

Operator

Good morning, Brian. Brian Lively – Tudor Pickering Holt: On the Briscoe area, the EURs and the breakdown that you guys gave are quite a bit oily than – than were my expectations and with that I’m just wondering, could you provide some update on the oil infrastructure and take away from that area?

Wade Pursell

Management

Well, at the present we are still trucking all our oil, Brian, and we’re working on getting that into a pipe. We have a contract coming. No question that they’re oilier than we really anticipated as well. So, it does introduce some issues with respect to piping and other things that we have to – tankage, other issues. So – but in general I think we’re going to be in pretty good shape. As I said we are trucking everything, we have some pipeline contracts coming and we expect to have that pretty well in hand as we get later in the year. Brian Lively – Tudor Pickering Holt: Okay and then I know you guys won’t comment on what other operators are doing per se, but if you look at the downspacing test that you guys have had versus even some other operator that’s near your guys with this similar productivity, seems like they’re coming to different conclusions on what the lower spacing assumption should be, and I’m just wondering, is there a difference in the rock between you and that offset acreage or does the completion technique in any way drive what the spacing of the well should be?

Wade Pursell

Management

Well, let me make a couple of comments about that. No, I won’t comment on other people’s work and I’m sure that they’re doing fine technical work. First of all, as we indicated this is one spacing test that we have data on and we may get other data as we go forward. I feel fairly confident with the 900 foot type spacing that we’ve talked about in the Galvan area, which is really what you’re focused on. Secondly, I think as you go north in the play you get to higher liquid contents in a product stream. And clearly, if you start to look at the economics of accelerating higher revenue per M product, the economics of acceleration get better. So, even if you had an EUR impact and even it was similar to ours, as you go north, you can probably tolerate that and still have acceptable economics; you could very well. I’m not – I haven’t done the math, but I’m assuming that you potentially could. I think it’s clear that where you get into the rock that’s really good rock, has higher porosity, and potentially better productivity, that you’re more likely to have interference, and I think that’s what our model predicted, that’s what we see. What other people see, I really can’t comment on. Brian Lively – Tudor Pickering Holt: Okay. That’s helpful for context. Last question from me, you guys are adequately capitalized. But given your discipline and the outspend for 2012, are you guys looking at other options to raise cash like via asset sales or anything like that or are you comfortable with just where the revolver stands now?

Wade Pursell

Management

Yeah, I’d say primarily we’re very comfortable with where the revolver stands and that’s very cheap right now, our balance sheet is in great shape. If you look at where we are currently and just project forward to the end of the year based on the midpoint of our guidance on capital and cash flow based on the strip right now, you’re still looking at debt just a little over one times, 1.2, 1.3 – 1.3 times. So we’re very comfortable with the balance sheet right now and intend to use it to fund the gap in 2012. Brian Lively – Tudor Pickering Holt: Great, guys. Thank you, I’ll jump back in the queue.

Tony Best

Operator

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Welles Fitzpatrick, Johnson Rice. Welles Fitzpatrick – Johnson Rice: Good morning.

Tony Best

Operator

Good morning, Welles.

Jay Ottoson

Management

Good morning, Welles Welles Fitzpatrick – Johnson Rice: I was wondering if we could get an update on completed well costs in Eagle Ford and maybe your thoughts moving forward and how that interacts with the pad drilling, what you might save there as well?

Tony Best

Operator

Yeah, just – there’s actually a in the slide deck in the Appendix there’s a pretty good summary of well cost by area. We’re trying to give as much – we’ve been – so many people have asked us for the more detail on these that we finally broke down and did it, I guess, but if you look, there’s actually a completed well cost number in there for each one of those five areas and I’ll just refer you to that. The numbers.. Welles Fitzpatrick – Johnson Rice: And the pad drilling savings, do you – would you guys take that in the kind of $0.5 million range that other operators have talked about?

Tony Best

Operator

I think the number we quoted was about $1 million for three wells per pad. So, $333,000 a well, something like that. Welles Fitzpatrick – Johnson Rice: Okay, perfect. And can you give us a split out of where those kind of five or six rigs are going to be located within those five new areas?

Wade Pursell

Management

Well, if you look at the five rig program, I think you can pretty much count on that two will be in the oilier areas over in the Briscoe area, two will be in the Galvan area, and one will be – I’ll call it flitting back and forth holding acreage and participating in one or the other areas during the year. Welles Fitzpatrick – Johnson Rice: Okay, and then one last one, if I could. I know – the EURs aren’t what you booked them at, so presumably they’re not P90s, and presumably they’re not P50s either. Can you guide us in as to the interval of confidence you all have on those?

Wade Pursell

Management

I think in a general sense you could probably assume that we book at about 20% lower than our expected cases. Welles Fitzpatrick – Johnson Rice: Okay, that’s perfect. Thanks so much and congrats.

Tony Best

Operator

Thanks, Welles.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Stephen Shepherd, Simmons & Co. Stephen Shepherd – Simmons & Company: Good morning guys.

David Copeland

Management

Good morning. Stephen Shepherd – Simmons & Company: Of that five to six rigs that you’re going to run and operate at Eagle Ford acreage in 2012, you said that three of those are designed for pad drilling. We’ve already talked about the cost savings, but what about efficiency gains in terms of days to drill? Can you kind of quantify that for me, maybe what you could shave off with those rigs?

Wade Pursell

Management

I think what we have shared is that we think we can drill and complete – when we get really going well here, we can drill and complete three wells in 80 days,

Tony Best

Operator

From first spud...

Wade Pursell

Management

From first spud to end, okay? Stephen Shepherd – Simmons & Company: Okay.

Wade Pursell

Management

That’s our target. We do have a couple of rigs out there and they’re actually pretty versatile rigs, even they’re we don’t call them – they’re not ideally set up for pad drilling, they don’t have movable – they don’t have feet to move. But we can pad drill with our other rigs, it’s just it takes a little more time to move it. So none of these rigs can’t drill pad wells, it’s just that some of them are better set up for it. Stephen Shepherd – Simmons & Company: Okay, that’s helpful. I got one more for you. The production mix improved sequentially this quarter and it looks like it was really NGL volumes as a percentage of the total it was driving that. Is that something that we should expect to continue into – into 1Q or is that just an anomaly?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well, I don’t think it’s an – this is Javan. I don’t think it’s an anomaly that the liquids percentages are increasing and we would expect that to continue. We don’t necessarily guide that because it is difficult to know exactly how the mix of production will change, but I think in general we’re going to go to higher liquid contents over time. Stephen Shepherd – Simmons & Company: Okay. And just as a follow-up on that, the NGL realizations have been weak this quarter; that’s kind of been a recurring theme across various operators. Is that a function of takeaway capacity not being in place or is that just more driven by general market weakness for the NGLs? What are your thoughts on that?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well, I think the latter as opposed to the former. We haven’t had issues with respect to our takeaway. Stephen Shepherd – Simmons & Company: Okay, that’s all I got. Thank you.

Tony Best

Operator

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Ryan Todd, Deutsche Bank. Ryan Todd – Deutsche Bank: Thanks gentlemen. Couple questions on production. Can you – you talked about a little of that, but can you help us understand a little bit more what drove the much better than expected production in Q4? How that translates through to 2012 and maybe what the production delta loss from the Haynesville wells was?

Wade Pursell

Management

Well, I’ll start with production improvement. Clearly a lot of that happened because we invested a lot of money second half. It was particularly in the non-operated Eagle Ford and they performed well and we outperformed our expectation. As far as 2012, I’ll just refer you to our guidance. I think you can – you will see in the first quarter, of course now we sold significant interest in the non-op Eagle Ford, so we have to make that up before we start growing over on a total rate basis again. To some extent there is some – as we shift over to pad drilling and more development in the Eagle Ford, there is some additional down time in the base that you have to account for as you have to shut in a number of wells as you’re fracking, development wells and so we’ve had to factor in a certain amount of additional downtime in the base which reduces our growth rate somewhat. Almost all the difference between the two forecasts we presented from – one clear back in last August to now is based on the fact that we cut those Haynesville wells and really they’re just very prolific wells and that difference that we’re talking about is largely due to that. Ryan Todd – Deutsche Bank: Great. And between the loss of the – I mean I guess the shift away from the Haynesville wells and the increased focus in the Eagle Ford, and thanks for the granularity that you guys gave us there, the higher liquids contents, I mean how do you think about mix shift going forward for the company over the next 12 to 24 months?

Wade Pursell

Management

Again, we don’t guide to that because it is a little difficult to predict. Generally we believe our liquids percentage is going to go up. I would say though that our Eagle Ford assets are because a lot of our production comes from the southern end of that gas condensate window, we’re not going to become an oil company overnight. I mean clearly that we’re going to produce a lot of associated gas with this. And any change you’re going to see is going to be fairly gradual. It’s not going to be a rapid change and again it depends to some extent on how our infrastructure builds out and exactly which wells we can flow at what rates. So, we’re not going to guide to it, but I think generally we’re going to get oilier, but it will be a fairly slow change. Ryan Todd – Deutsche Bank: Thanks. And if we think about down the line a little bit in terms of potential acceleration, you’ll go to six rigs, drop back to five, how do you think about the potential to add back the sixth rig at some point in the future? When do you see infrastructure – is it infrastructure limited and when will infrastructure allow you to kind of reaccelerate to some extent?

Wade Pursell

Management

Well, our next big tranche of gas offtake infrastructure doesn’t appear till mid 2013. So at this point, we think we can basically get the pipe full with the plan we’ve laid out. We may need a little additional capacity along the way before we get to that. After 2013 then it just comes down to what additional capacity we can secure. But I think a five-rig program certainly fills the pipe for us until that point. Ryan Todd – Deutsche Bank: Great. Thanks gentlemen. I appreciate the help.

Tony Best

Operator

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Gil Yang, Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Gil Yang – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Thanks. Good morning. Regarding the interference or the down spacing in Galvan versus Briscoe, you mentioned that – is it rock permeability that’s different or is it just that one’s gassier than the other, and so the effective permeability is different?

Wade Pursell

Management

There is a difference in porosity and permeability between that Galvan area, especially in that particular area and the Briscoe area. The Briscoe area rock is typically a little tighter in most of it. It is oiler, however, as well. And so I think both points you’re making are accurate. Briscoe is a little bit different rock, a little less porous, a little less permeable and it’s oiler. And I think the combination of those two things means that you’re draining – it’s also a little thicker I should say. And I think the combination of those things means you’re draining a relatively – you don’t reach out quite as far as with your drainage. And so, you don’t see as much interference and that’s essentially the answer. Gil Yang – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Right. Is there any opportunity to change the spacing pattern with different spacing – clustering of frac stages?

Wade Pursell

Management

Well, we’re looking at moving our frac stages closer together actually in – across the entire play and we typically have used 330 foot frac stage spacing and we’re doing some testing down – clear down to 220 foot frac stage spacing. Obviously increases the cost of the wells but I think there’s a pretty good chance that there’s optimum spacing level that may be lower than what we’re showing. I don’t believe that that will necessarily allow us to push wells closer together. Generally that would lead you to think you might want to put them farther apart. You’d get better drainage again. I really don’t think when you look at the Galvan area, at least for us, I think that 900 foot number is a pretty good number. Again in Briscoe I think there’s a really good chance, it’ll go lower in the oilier area, but I don’t want everybody to be thinking that there’s – there – some other shoe’s going to drop and we’re going to down space the Galvan area a lot more than what we’ve indicated. Gil Yang – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay. And – fair enough. And just to complete that thought though, is it possible that in Briscoe you don’t have enough test dated how much interference there’s going to be or would you have expected to see interference already at this point if there’s going to be any?

Wade Pursell

Management

I think we would have seen something. Our modeling indicates that the 625 foot spacing probably won’t – wouldn’t see it and we haven’t. We’re just not comfortable – and the model would say that we can go lower. We’re going to be doing pilots clear down to 150 foot offsets, which we would think should see some interference. We’re just not comfortable extrapolating our data below 625 feet without some data at some lower level, and we’ll get to that at some point this year I think. Gil Yang – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay. And just quickly turning to Haynesville. So what happens to the remaining 20% of the acreage that is not going to be held by the end of this program?

Wade Pursell

Management

Well, eventually the acreage will expire. Most of that acreage is interior to our position. We could potentially go re-lease that acreage if things turn around and it looks like an economic opportunity. Obviously, acreage costs there are quite a bit lower than they were, although maybe not as low as they ought to be and we have the opportunity to go back out and re-lease that acreage, but it just – if you look at the economics of the wells right now and look at the value of the acreage you would be saving, or what it would cost, say, to go re-lease it, it just doesn’t make sense to drill the wells. So, that’s the decision we came to. Gil Yang – Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Great, okay, fine. Thank you.

David Copeland

Management

All right.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Anne Cameron, BNP Paribas. Anne Cameron – BNP Paribas: I just have a question about your operated Eagle Ford. What do you think the – like from a logistics perspective, the maximum rig count that you’d be comfortable running on that position?

Jay Ottoson

Management

You know, Ann, we really haven’t looked at that because our focus has been more on gas off-take infrastructure and obviously you could run a lot of rigs, but it really comes down to how much gas you can take away. So, I don’t know that I can give you a number other than the numbers we’ve given you. Anne Cameron – BNP Paribas: Okay and then on your reserves, the 37 BCF positive revision from three stream conversion and the engineering, can you break that out between what is performance and what’s the accounting change?

Jay Ottoson

Management

The three stream conversion accounted for 59 BCF of upward revisions. Anne Cameron – BNP Paribas: So, if the rest of it is a negative performance revision could you specify where those were?

Jay Ottoson

Management

It’s all in the K. Ann, it’s in the K, as I indicated. Anne Cameron – BNP Paribas: Okay, okay. Thanks guys.

Tony Best

Operator

Thanks Ann.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Nicholas Pope, Dahlman Rose. Nicholas Pope – Dahlman Rose: Hey. Good morning, guys.

Jay Ottoson

Management

Good morning.

Tony Best

Operator

Good morning, Nick. Nicholas Pope – Dahlman Rose: Just a couple quick questions. I know you guys had talked about starting up a water distribution system down in Eagle Ford and I was wondering I guess where you guys stand now in terms of if you think you could drive some cost down on completions and I guess how much I guess is being provided right now across your operated position right now in terms of access to that water.

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well, we are using the system in the Galvan area. So, the cost you see on this operated Eagle Ford slide in the Appendix are essentially assume those facilities. Our Briscoe area water system is not completely done yet, but again our costs for trucking there aren’t as large. So, in general we have most of our water system in place and we are starting to recycle some significant quantities of water, but I think the well costs you’re seeing on this sheet are probably – mostly reflective of the cost after that system’s in place. Nicholas Pope – Dahlman Rose: All right, got it. Thank you. And you mentioned January production on the operated Eagle Ford and you gave it – I think you said 170 million wet, 5,000 of oil. Do you have that as like where you are on a net basis to SM on a kind of as-reported basis?

Jay Ottoson

Management

We didn’t report it. I don’t know that number on top of my head, Nick. It’s typically going to be 10% to 20% above that number on a net basis. Nicholas Pope – Dahlman Rose: Got it. Okay.

Brent Collins

Analyst

You can – this is Brent, you can calc that off the infrastructure slide in the appendix, you can walk the math through what we gave you. Nicholas Pope – Dahlman Rose: And that was – those were gross numbers right, the 170 Mcf and 5,000 barrels a day?

Brent Collins

Analyst

Yes. Nicholas Pope – Dahlman Rose: Okay. That’s all I had. Thanks guys.

Tony Best

Operator

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Michael Scialla, Stifel Nicolaus. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Good morning, guys.

Tony Best

Operator

Good morning, Mike. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: On the three rigs that you have running in the Bakken where are those located, and where do you plan to add that fourth?

Jay Ottoson

Management

The rigs are – I think we have two rigs running in the Raven area right now and the one in Gooseneck is kind of flopped back and forth so sometimes it’s two in Gooseneck, one in Raven; but right now there’s two in Raven, I believe, and one in Gooseneck. As we move into the year, we’ll be moving some of our activity back into the Bear Den area and starting our infill program there. So when we bring in our fourth rig, I think you can assume that we’ll certainly be drilling in Bear Den for a good portion of the year. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Okay, and then in that Gooseneck area, looks like you’re getting better results than some others up there have had. Anything you’re doing differently than other operators?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well a lot of the early wells in the Gooseneck area were 640 acre laterals. They were short lateral wells; and so we’ve had a lot of questions about this because people look at the old public data and they say, “Well, these well aren’t very good.” Well they haven’t actually looked at the 1,280 acre wells. Our 1,280 acre wells there are really very good, very economic. But lot of people do look – there’s a number of wells that were drilled up there that were 640 acre wells and they are not nearly as good wells. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Given that some others did not have the success you’re having, do you see any opportunity to add acreage in that area?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well we have added acreage in the area over the last year. I don’t think – I think the cat is pretty well out of the bag there. People in – most people in the industry watched us know that we’re making some pretty good wells. I don’t think you’re ever going to get a really cheap deal up there from anyone. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: And then the other 120,000 net acres or so that have in the Williston – I know you had some legacy acreage over in the Elm Coulee area. Where else is that acreage located?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well, I think there’s actually a locator map in the package. We have a lot of acreage in southern McKenzie County, we have some acreage in Stark, we have some – quite a bit of acreage in Montana. There’s certainly a lot of refrac potential in the old Elm Coulee area but of course a lot of that is already developed in the Bakken. But if you start to look at where the potential is, I think there’s some potential in Western Montana, there’s some potential in that southern McKenzie County area that we would probably say is probably the most prospective acreage there. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Okay, how about Stark? Are you doing anything there or any plans to do anything there at any time?

Jay Ottoson

Management

We’re currently completing a well in Stark. I know there’s been some negative results in Stark County recently from some other operators. So, I don’t know that we’re not – certainly not trumpeting anything at this point. We’ll see how the well works out. There have been some pretty wet wells drilled down there recently, so... Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Okay. And the – you mentioned in the slide deck that you have some acreage that’s prospective for the Bone Spring in New Mexico. How much acreage do you have over there?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Not much, we’re talking about four or five wells to drill, a single rig program for six months. We’re just trying to help people understand how we have these spending and rigs in the Permian and, it is literally four or five wells that we’ll be drilling. It’s a nice little program and they’re – I think they’re going to be great wells but it’s not a huge material position that we would talk too much about. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Okay. And in the Mississippian play there, you still have roughly 90,000 net acres and can you talk at all about what you’re seeing in that play?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well, yeah, I would say that the results are somewhat mixed. We’ve had some good results and some not so good results, and we’re still really delineating. We’re completing a horizontal well right now that we hope can be interesting. We’ll see. I think the jury is still out to some extent.

Tony Best

Operator

But we do have a meaningful position.

Jay Ottoson

Management

Yeah.

Tony Best

Operator

We just need to do more testing and see how that pans out.

Jay Ottoson

Management

Yeah. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Safe to say that it’s maybe more of a conventional type than broad resource type play, or is it still too early to even make that claim?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well, it’s a carbonate, Mike. And I think there are a lot of these carbonate plays around that – that are going to – you’re essentially playing the idea that it’s going to have porosity some place. So in a sense it is a conventional play, but you’re using unconventional techniques to get through it. So – the carbonates, there are some aspects of that that make it tougher, can potentially make your results distribution wider which exposes you to more risk on the front end and that has to be managed. So that’s why we’ve been a little slow on talking about it because it takes awhile for you to really know what you’ve got. That said, as Tony indicated we have a nice position and we drilled some pretty decent wells and well costs aren’t super high there, so I think it’s something we’ll continue work. As we move into the next couple years and we have more cash flow – we get closer to our cash flow, I think this could be one of those plays that’s kind of the next leg of our growth story. So we’re hopeful for that. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Can seismic help you there, or do you have seismic in the area?

Jay Ottoson

Management

We got it. I certainly hope it will help. I’ll say it that way. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Okay. And last one, can you say on that frontier well, who the operator was there that you’re partners with?

Jay Ottoson

Management

I don’t think I will. It is a private operator. Michael Scialla – Stifel, Nicolaus: Okay, fair enough. Thank you guys.

Tony Best

Operator

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your final question comes from Yiktat Fung, Jefferies & Company. Yiktat Fung – Jefferies & Company: Good morning. I was just wondering how many months of data do you have for the other I think four downspacing plans over at Galvan Ranch? Just trying to get a sense of how much data you have seen to support your 100 acre spacing.

Jay Ottoson

Management

Well, we are not relying on those other pilots to make this conclusion – to get to this conclusion at this point. Some of those other pilots were – are really, literally very, very new. Yiktat Fung – Jefferies & Company: I see.

Jay Ottoson

Management

And there are a couple that we – there were a couple we drilled last year that are starting to indicate data, but we did some other things in terms of frac stage spacing and some other things on them that are probably going to mean they’re not necessarily the greatest comparators. So, I – it’s going to be a while before we talk about any more data out of the spacing pilots. Yiktat Fung – Jefferies & Company: So, the 100 acre assumption, is that just based on that one pilot that you have six months of data for so far or is that – have you drilled other wells at 100 acre spacing that looked all right?

Jay Ottoson

Management

We – that assumption or the predictions – we made a prediction based on some modeling we had done. We use Piquette modeling tools and we have a number of different ways we look at these opportunities and the results we’re getting matched pretty closely to the modeling we had done. So, we feel our model is a pretty good predictor of what the outcomes are going to be. Model, coupled with our economics program would indicate that the optimum spacing is somewhere around 900 feet. I think we’re fairly comfortable that the model is predicting. We have quite a bit of rock data to feed that model in terms of comparative data at wider spacing. I think we’re fairly comfortable that that 900 foot number is a reasonable number for you to use for estimating potential at this point. We will get some more data later, but I would not – I’m not very – I would not be – if I were you I guess, I would not be assuming that the number is going to get – that it’s going to get a lot tighter. Yiktat Fung – Jefferies & Company: I see. Got it. Thank you for that and then just one last follow-up question. I was just wondering if you could clarify for me again, the – why the non-op CapEx was going up?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Non-op CapEx going up, why?

David Copeland

Management

Oh, at the end of the year?

Jay Ottoson

Management

Oh. Well, we ended up staying in the non-operated Eagle Ford for much longer than we expected. We were expecting to close that deal first... Yiktat Fung – Jefferies & Company: I was actually – sorry, I was actually referring to the CapEx forecast, and I think you also operated portion of that forecast increased a bit or am I mistaken?

Jay Ottoson

Management

I think that – yeah, I’m sorry, I mistook your question. I think for this year, it’s largely non-op Bakken spending that driving that. We just expect obviously rig counts going up, we have a lot of non-operated acreage or a fair amount of it. We just expect more development there. Yiktat Fung – Jefferies & Company: Okay. Thank you very much.

Tony Best

Operator

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Are there any closing remarks?

Tony Best

Operator

First of all, we’d like to thank you for joining the SM Energy call this morning. We appreciate your interest in our program and look forward to our next update with you coming up in May. Thank you for joining us this morning.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s SM Energy Fourth Quarter 2011 Earnings and Operations Conference Call. You may now disconnect.