Good morning and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Sylvamoâs Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakersâ remarks, we will have an opportunity for questions. I would now like to turn the call over to Hans Bjorkman, Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, the floor is yours.
Thank you. Thank you. Iâll now turn the call back over to Hans Bjorkman for closing comments. One moment, we do have a last moment question that just come in. And thatâs from Cole Hathorn with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
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Cole Hathorn
Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just like to follow-up on the wood cost trends that youâre seeing by region, particularly interested in hearing what youâre seeing in the European markets for wood costs? Some of your competitors are calling out wood cost inflation. And then following up on that, like to hear a little bit more about the office paper demand trends that youâre seeing in Europe relative to North America. Are you seeing any divergence from your customer base in the strength of those office paper order books? Thank you.
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John Sims
Management
Yes. Cole, itâs John Sims. On the wood cost, weâre seeing wood cost increase across all our regions, but mostly thatâs driven by transportation costs due to diesel. Although diesel is going down, itâs lag because mostly itâs indexed to that. And particular to Europe, our sources of wood is from Saillat mills in France. And we actually have a wood harvesting operation there. Weâre not seeing the pressures that you see in other places, particularly like youâre seeing in Poland and other places thatâs being impacted either because of the Russian ban on wood to the Nordic and some other things that are going there. So weâre not seeing that type â that increase other than transportation cost in Europe, in Saillat. In terms of your question around on printed freesheet demand in Europe, it is, as we mentioned the demand â in Western Europe on printed freesheet is down, itâs down 2.5%. And as we also mentioned on the call, we believe that the conditions â despite conditions are so tight there that you have a lot of stockouts in shelves and weâve reported that some of availability of paper is not there. We think that that is impacting demand. How much, we donât really have a view on that. But we do think that that is impacting it. The most significant demand decline though weâre seeing is in Eastern Europe. And thatâs mostly driven because of the Ukrainian situation. I believe thatâs been reported almost down 10%, but that really doesnât impact us from Saillat, which our shipments there is predominantly Western Europe.
Thank you. And we do have a question from the line of Jonathan Luft with Eagle Capital Partners. Please go ahead.
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Jonathan Luft
Analyst · Jonathan Luft with Eagle Capital Partners. Please go ahead
Hey guys. Thanks for taking my question. The first question I have is maybe just talking about Europe and the energy situation. Can you just walk us through your exposure there?
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John Sims
Management
Yes. Jonathan, this is John here. Weâre well positioned if you will, with our Saillat mill because weâre integrated mill and produce most of our energy needs. We do have some demand for gas there, but it really represents almost 10% of our energy needs.
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Jonathan Luft
Analyst · Jonathan Luft with Eagle Capital Partners. Please go ahead
Perfect. And now that Russia is part of the discontinued operations. Can you maybe talk to us a little bit about what the business wouldâve looked like without Russia if we went back to 2019, 2020 pre-pandemic? And how the business, the guidance this year and how it relates to ex-Russia?
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John Sims
Management
Yes, Jonathan, I think and we mentioned it, our earnings even without Russia is approaching or actually better than almost in pre-pandemic levels even back in 2019 where we had â we actually had another machine, we had at Riverdale 15 machine that was producing, where with today we are projecting to produce more earnings and of higher EBITDA margins than we did back then. So if you think about what Russia contributed in terms of EBITDA margin during that timeframe pre-pandemic with north of $120 million to $125 million.
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Jonathan Luft
Analyst · Jonathan Luft with Eagle Capital Partners. Please go ahead
Thank you. Iâll turn the call back over to Hans Bjorkman for closing comments.
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Hans Bjorkman
President
Thank you, Tony and thank you everyone for joining us today. We do appreciate your interest in Sylvamo, and we look forward to continuing the conversations in the coming days, weeks and months ahead. Have a great day. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Once again, weâd like to thank you for participating in Sylvamoâs second quarter 2022 earnings call. You may now disconnect.