Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Second Quarter 2013 Solar Capital Ltd. Earnings Conference Call. My name is Lisa, and I'll be your coordinator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Mr. Michael Gross, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Please proceed, sir.

Thank you very much, and good morning. Welcome to Solar Capital Ltd.'s earnings call for the quarter ended June 30, 2013. I'm joined here today by our Chief Operating Officer, Bruce Spohler; and our Chief Financial Officer, Richard Peteka. Rich, before we begin, would you please start off by covering the webcast and forward-looking statements.

Of course. Thanks, Michael. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call and webcast are being recorded. Please note that they are the property of Solar Capital Ltd., and that any unauthorized broadcast, in any form, are strictly prohibited. This conference call is being webcast on our website at www.solarcapltd.com. Audio replays of this call will be made available later today as disclosed in our earnings press release. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary disclosures in our press release regarding forward-looking information. Statements made in today's conference call and webcast may constitute forward-looking statements, which relate to future events, or our future performance or financial condition. These statements are not guarantees of our future performance, financial condition or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially as a result of a number of factors, including those described from time to time in our filings with the SEC. Solar Capital Ltd. undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statements, unless required to do so by law. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website or call us at (212) 993-1670. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back to our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Michael Gross.

Thank you, Rich. Despite the blip in the market following Bernanke's commentary in June, we continue to be in an environment where the risk trade is on. The inflows in the liquid credit markets, coupled with investors appetite for yield, have resulted in an environment where many investors are willing to stretch for return by taking on more risk. That approach is not consistent with our investment philosophy. As 25-year veterans in the industry and large shareholders of the company, our management team has been through enough market cycles to have an appreciation for the importance of adhering to our stringent underwriting criteria rather than sacrificing credit quality for incremental yield. Given the current market dynamic, we are managing our portfolio to include a higher percentage of secured loans, which we believe currently offer a better risk reward proposition. We're placing a huge priority in being higher up in the capital structure and receiving floating-rate cash paid coupons. The modernizations we announced last week of our 2 largest legacy portfolio companies, both of which were unsecured and fixed rate, marked the near culmination of our effort to shift our portfolio mix from its high risk composition at the time of our IPO to the low-risk composition it has today. To go back in time, at the time of our IPO in February 2010, our roughly $800 million market value portfolio was only 20% secured debt, 30% floating rate debt and over 20% of our interest income came from all pick investments. The 3 large put positions at that time accounted for approximately 25% of our portfolio fair value. Today, pro forma for the exit of DS Waters and MidCap Financial, our June 30, 2013, portfolio with a fair value of approximately $1.2 billion, is composed of approximately 43% secured loans.…

Thanks, Michael. Solar Capital Ltd.'s net asset value at June 30, 2013, was $1.01 billion or $22.40 per share compared to $1.03 billion or $23 per share at March 31, 2013. The change in NAV per share was driven primarily by unrealized depreciation on our preferred investment in DS Waters and on Rug Doctor coupled with a second quarter dividend in excess of our Q2 net investment income. Our investment portfolio at June 30, 2013, had a fair market value of $1.42 billion, in line with March 31. Pro forma for the monetizations of our investments in DS Waters and MidCap Financial, at June 30, we had investments in 39 portfolio companies in 24 industries. The weighted average yield on our income-producing portfolio was 12.0% measured at fair value and also excluding DS Waters and MidCap Financial. For the 3 months ended June 30, 2013, gross investment income totaled $39.1 million compared to $46.1 million for the 3 months ended March 31, 2013. The decrease in gross investment income from the prior quarter was primarily related to not accruing income on the senior preferred DS Waters group investment, for which we announced the sale of on July 24, 2013. Expenses totaled $19.9 million for the 3 months ended June 30, as compared to $20.6 million for the 3 months ended March 31. The company's net investment income totaled $19.3 million, or $0.43 per share for the 3 months ended June 30 versus $25.5 million or $0.58 per average share for the 3 months ended March 31. Net realized and unrealized losses for Q2 2013 totaled $19.3 million, which was primarily driven by the difference between the final sale price of the DS Waters senior preferred investment and its fair value as of March 31. These results compared a net realized and unrealized gains for Q1 2013 of $10.3 million. Ultimately, the change in net assets resulting from operations netted to negative $13,000 or 0 on a per share basis for the quarter ended June 30. This compares to a net increase in net assets of $35.8 million or $0.81 per share for the quarter ended March 31, 2013. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to our Chief Operating Officer, Bruce Spohler.

Thank you, Rich. Before I take you through our current portfolio, I'd like to touch on our recent portfolio of developments, which were announced in our press release from last week. Our portfolio company DS Waters has entered into a definitive sale agreement with the transaction expected to close within 90 days. We anticipate receiving approximately $150 million of gross proceeds for the combination of our second lien loan and preferred equity investments. Our second lien loan will be redeemed at a premium to par and will continue to accrue interest until it is repaid. The June 30 fair value of our senior preferred units reflects our expected realized value. And therefore, we didn't accrue interest on it during Q2, nor are we doing so during Q3. We are pleased with the outcome of our investments in this legacy portfolio company. Our full exit is expected to result in an IRR of approximately 10.3% and a 1.5x multiple on invested capital, since the initial investment date back in 2007. Last week, our subordinated loan to MidCap Financial was redeemed in full at a premium to par. Proceeds totaled approximately $87 million. Since our initial investment over 3 years ago, the IRR in this investment is 16.5% and the multiple on our invested capital is 1.4x. With the monetization of our 2 largest legacy investments, we believe that our current portfolio, both from a risk reward, as well as a diversification standpoint, is extremely attractive. Since our IPO in early 2010, we have significantly increased our percentage invested in secured loans, we've decreased our allocation to equities and meaningfully upped our percentage of floating-rate securities, and last, but not least, meaningfully reduced our pick income to now being a negligible amount of our gross investment income. At June 30, pro forma…

Thank you, Bruce. In conclusion, we feel very confident of the current composition of our portfolio and our disciplined approach in navigating the current investing climate. In general, particularly, in the liquid credit market, the terms and recent new deals have been less investor friendly, with higher leverage ratios and little to no covenant protection. Our origination team is continuing to source proprietary investments high on the capital structure that meet our stringent underwriting standards, that we are being more selective. Ultimately, these higher risk deals, which we've been passing on, they very well be repaid in full, which is a great outcome for those invested in them. However, we believe that relying on an improving economic environment in order for what we view as an over-levered company to meet its obligations is more akin to an equity bet. As credit investors with an emphasis on principal protection we are not willing to rely on an upside case. With its high proportion of secured loans, floating rate debt securities and substantially all cash-pay interest, we believe our portfolio is the lowest risk it has been since our IPO. As such, we view our portfolio as more attractive than many new issue opportunities currently available in the marketplace. At the right price, we intend to use our $100 million share repurchase to increase exposure to our existing portfolio. We, the management team, will now be participating in this buyback. However, we welcome this opportunity to increase our ownership stake. As significant shareholders of the common shares, we believe that the stock should trade at a dividend yield more consistent with other investment companies that hold predominately secured assets. Our expected $0.40 of run rate net investment income per share on a more defensive diversified portfolio should enable us to prudently and patiently deploy all of our $500 million of available capital and investments, as well as to the opportunistic repurchase of shares in order to continue to build long-term shareholder value. We are continuing to find opportunities with attractive credit and yield profiles. In addition, to our objective of growing our portfolio to increase our net investment income, we are focused on maintaining an efficient and low-cost capital structure. By reducing our borrowing costs and being opportunistic in buying back share, we carry a much higher -- which carry a much higher cost of capital, we are seeking to generate value for our long-term shareholders. We intend to raise our dividend once we've achieved what we believe to be a sustainable net investment income growth. 11:00 this morning, we'll be hosting an earnings call for the second quarter operations for Solar Senior Capital or SUNS. Thank you, all, for your time. Operator, please open up the line for questions.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Troy Ward with KBW. Troy L. Ward - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Quick, on one of the modeling questions. I just saw the admin expense was up pretty big in the quarter. You may have mentioned that and I missed it. Can you tell me what was in that number this quarter, and kind of what we should expect going forward?

Yes. This is Rich. If you look at our 6 months number in our financial statements, that kind of 2.2, 2.3 number, that's a good 6-month run rate. So right now, you should model about $4.5 million for the year. Troy L. Ward - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay. Great. And then, Michael, I know, obviously, MidCap's done. But would the final -- can you just kind of outline what are the final steps necessary to get DS closed? And do you believe that's truly just a formality at this point, and would you say it's 95% chance of closing here?

I would say there's 95%. I think that where they are in the process is. they are taking advantage of-- from the credit markets are launching the bank deal Monday of next week. And then they intend to follow up the following week and launch the bond deal. So they're hoping to get this closed before Labor Day. It could slip, but that's the intent, and they're literally hitting the road next week. Troy L. Ward - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay, great. And then on the Crystal dividend up, did the dividend this quarter represent 100% of the earnings from Crystal? Was it all dividend up, or was some retained?

Some were retained. Troy L. Ward - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And as you think about growing the company, I know you said, you had, call it, $150 million available capital at Crystal. Today, will you continue to retain some money down at Crystal for future growth? Or will you look to kind of continue to dividend up kind of these kind of numbers?

We'll continue to dividend these kind of numbers. It was substantially all. We left a little bit behind, not significant. Troy L. Ward - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then one final one. Michael, you talked about kind of what's available -- I'm sorry, Bruce did -- what's available out there in the market today. One of the comments you made that I haven't heard much about the high risk due to the structure. Are you seeing that kind of across the capital structure? We've heard there's very little mezz [ph] really available out there that's attractive at all. But, second lien, and more stretched senior, are you seeing structural issues on the second lien and stretched senior as well?

Yes, I think that when we speak to structure, what we're really speaking to is the leverage ratios to which these securities are funded, as well as some of the fundamental terms embedded in these securities, whether it's covenant packages, liens, what have you. So I think those terms have gotten looser as we've mentioned over the last several quarters. And I think, yes you're right, there is not much in the way of new mezzanine, because again, so much capital has been provided through these alternative capital structures. Troy L. Ward - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And you said the weighted average yield on the portfolio, ex DS and MidCap, was around 12%. Where do think -- as you redeploy this capital, what do you think the going rate is on new investment you're likely to add over the next 3 to 4 quarters?

Well, I think, today, you're seeing rates between 9% and 11%.

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with SunTrust.

Given the pace of originations here, Bruce, $100 million per quarter. How long should we anticipate it'll take for you to put the proceeds back to work? Are there any steps you can take to accelerate that? Or could this be a fairly lengthy process?

Well, I think, to your comment, it's, in part, about the origination pace. But that seems to be relatively consistent for us to your comment. I think it's really about repayment activity, which we have said for the last quarters, we hope it is abating, given the churn we've had. Again, it's okay to get repaid on these loans. But I think that's really going to be the driver of the timeframe here in terms of net portfolio growth is -- will some of the prepayments, given the recency of many of our investments at this point abate, so that we can actually achieve some net portfolio growth. But, obviously, in the simplistic view, $400 million plus or so a year of originations should take us a year, if that's a consistent number, and then it's subject to repayments.

And I think that what we are doing to supplement that or accelerate, to use your word, is to use $100 million of capital to buy back stock. I think, again, our portfolio is yielding 12% today. We load the risk rewards, so if we can -- at the right price, buy back hundreds of stock that's going to help accelerate that growth and that investment income per share.

Your next question comes from the line of Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg. Mickey M. Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division: Just first, a big picture question. Could you give us some insight as to your willingness or propensity to perhaps lend to some smaller companies to help insulate Solar from the more difficult environment at the higher end of the leverage loan market?

Yes, I think that, as we've talked about over the last couple of quarters, there was a lot of drivers. But one of the impetus for us being fortunate enough to bring the Crystal platform on to Solar's platform is they do provide us access to generally mid-size, mid market issuers, but also some smaller issuers, but those that have large asset bases. And so we are more comfortable that we're going to go to smaller businesses, as you know, having assets that we can look to underwrite for our principal source of repayment as opposed to relying on cash flows when we get to the smaller companies. And so that's a good example. I think, of how we've been able to go down market, so to speak, and yet still feel like we're not taking on incremental risk, given the asset intensity of those issuers. So we will continue to look for opportunities like that, that allow us to look at niches, where we think we can get good risk return, but stay true to our strategy. Mickey M. Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division: Bruce, can you give us a sense of the average EBITDA at Solar of the borrowers in your portfolio versus Crystal's borrowers?

Yes, I would say that for Solar's, it's 50 plus. And I would say, Crystal, it's more likely 25 plus. But EBITDA is an odd metric because there's a wide range in that average for Crystal, because you will have businesses that don't have EBITDA, but are asset rich. And we are way over-collateralized. And so as we talked about in the past, the investment thesis for Crystal is, look first and foremost, to a liquidation as a base case and make sure that the assets can cover their capital, as well as a return on their capital. So EBITDA is not necessarily the appropriate metric when we look at all of their borrowers, because they may have as many assets as our businesses do in terms of scale and size and breadth of operations. Mickey M. Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. And just a couple of housekeeping questions. You mentioned the $0.05 per share of amendment costs. Is that bottom line after fees? Or is that a gross number?

That's a gross number. That includes not only the new facility, but the extinguishment of the other facility we noted in our press release. Mickey M. Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then the fee income. I didn't catch up when it was a prepayment fee for both DS Waters and MidCap, or was it just DS Waters? And are we talking about the...

We'll be getting a prepayment fee on MidCap, and we'll be getting a prepayment fee on the DS Waters second lien. Mickey M. Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division: All right. Is that a typical...

That should flow through in Q3. Mickey M. Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc., Research Division: And is it a typical sort of somewhere between 100, maybe 200 basis points for that?

Yes.

Yes.

Your next question will come from the line of Christopher York with JMP Securities.

This is Kevin Chen for Chris York. With 48% of your portfolio in fixed-rate investments as of Q2, how are you managing the risk to net interest spread compression in a rising rate environment?

One of the things that we did just proactively was again go back to our banks and talk to them about our relationships and what they could do for us. So not only did we lock in some additional tenure in that facility, they were amendable to reducing our borrowing rates. So that was one way to help with that. But right now, it's also -- it's really a focus on risk, and it's not necessarily about coupon. Our yield is really all inclusive of an upfront fee that we get, which we amortize over the life. It's a coupon, and it's a cov protection, so it's an overall IRR, and where that reward is based on risk we take. And again, we, very consciously, moved up the capital structure, taking lower yields to protect principal and NAV.

We also have a little under $200 million of fixed-rate debt on our balance sheet, in terms of obligations.

Okay, great. And also, in terms of originations, will the ratio of floating-rate investments continue to increase quarter-to-quarter? And is there like a target range?

Yes, it will increase. And no, we don't have a particular target range. I mean, if we find some outsized risk return on a fixed-rate basis, we will take those as well. But the only point worth mentioning is your percentage of floating rate does not include a look through to Crystal's portfolio, which is all floating rate. So it's, actually, higher across the whole portfolio.

Great, okay. And last quarter, you have spoken about potential for Earthbound Farms, prepay. Are there going to be any new discussions with the borrower? And are there any other large prepayments expected in the next few months?

No, I think the -- there aren't any other large prepayments only, because with the exits of DS and MidCap, the average investment size has come down materially. So there are no significant large investments. I think specific to Earthbound, it has been rumored in the marketplace that the company may pursue strategic alternatives. So we're watching that in the second half of this year.

Okay. And just lastly, how much undistributed taxable income do you currently hold?

The last reported number we had was in our 10-K. And for tax purposes, taxable E&P doesn't get measured until next year, so it's really hard for us to tell you right now. We had a significant carryforward, but there'll be some significant adjustments based on some of the transactions we've announced, so we can't give you a number right now.

Your next question comes from the line of Doug Mewhirter with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Just 2 questions to add on top of Mark's earlier questions. First, just to, I guess, clarify some math and make sure I understood the language in the announcement of the DSW exit, as well as your buyback authorizations. You mentioned that with -- in your announcement with DSW and MidCap, that you would be using the proceeds to pay down debt, which is just north of $237 million. Then you announced -- you separately announced a buyback authorization of $100 million. Does that change the math on how much debt you would repay? In other words, would you now have a $100 plus million debt paydown on top of the $100 million buyback? Or would you still do a $200 million debt paydown and still the $100 million buyback, assuming that you were able to buy back all the shares as planned.

In order -- when we get repaid investments, whether small or large, we near term pay down the revolver. That's why we have the revolver. It gives the ability to kind of reborrow again. So, basically, depending on the [indiscernible] cash. Cash comes in. We'll draw down revolver. And then we'll borrow again, either for new investments, or we may hold some cash on the balance sheet for the buyback, depending on where the opportunity is.

Okay. I see what you mean. So it's -- the math will work out how it does. But the process might be out of order, I guess, with the way the cash -- because you just use the cash as it comes in. That makes sense. The second -- and this is more of a hypothetical math situation. I guess, it's pretty clear on how your sensitivity interest rates, which is fairly low, especially including Crystal. Have you ever looked at scenarios on credit spread expansion in terms of, if the high-yield markets, credit spreads increase measurably, would that have a certain hit to your, I guess, mark-to-market valuations in your portfolio since you sort of -- you have sort of a committee-based valuation on your investments?

A couple of things here. The average unit portfolio is 12% today. The average in the high-end market is 6%. So we have a huge cushion throughout the high-end market today, as it is. So yes, if there's a blowout of spread. You would see some mark-to-market adjustments on the technical side, nothing from a credit perspective. But, frankly, we would welcome that. I mean, sitting here 2.5 million of dry powder [ph], it would mean, we'd just go into the market and buy highly tracked investments that have blown out and spread for tougher reasons. So we would love that scenario to happen for us.

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Boris Pialloux with National Securities.

The first question I have is in term of unrealized loss, these $18 million you had this quarter, is that only DS Water or other investments that you -- let's say, readjusted?

It's predominantly DS Water. The other one that we took an additional small adjustment to was our one investment that is in payment default, which is Rug Doctor.

Okay. And the second question is regarding Crystal. What's the impact of the hedge funds in the asset-based lending market?

De minimis. We don't see them at all.

So they're not...

This is a specialty niche business, where you really -- a hedge fund would have to go out and a find a team like Crystal. There are a couple of teams out there. Some of whom like Crystal, were at one point in their lives backed by a hedge fund. But it's a small niche business, and it's driven by the team and their expertise and less by who might be the capital behind it.

And generally, some of -- to Bruce's point, some of these themes were backed by hedge funds, the trend is actually the other way. We're seeing hedge funds that divest [ph]their interests in these businesses.

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Bock with Wells Fargo Securities.

Thank you for taking my questions, most of them have been asked already. But Bruce, just a point of clarification, did you mention leverage levels in the Blue Coat Systems transaction?

I did not, but they're in the 5x range.

Okay. So I appreciate it. So as we think about where we sit in, focusing on senior secured transactions, which makes total sense, given the lack of mezzanine paper, the question remains as to the quality of the senior secured paper that one would be buying today, given that most people are buying that asset class. And so could you give us a sense right now today what percentage of loans that you originated of that $100 million are related dividend recap? And how many would you classify as covenant like?

I think just to contrast your question on Blue Coat, if you look at Robbins, the leverage ratio is in the mid-2s. So it is going to be a little bit all over the map, depending on the business, and as well as the underlying sector that they operate in. But the -- I'm sorry, your second part of your question?

Yes, so the percentage of originations that are dividend recapped, as well as covenant-light?

Yes, as we think about covenant recaps, Jonathan, for us, it is -- obviously, you'd love to never finance a dividend recap. But I think as we have looked at them here, they tend to be investments, where the sponsor has not taken out all of their capital. So that we know that they're still incentivized to get repaid their capital and not only to get a return on that capital as well. So they were not a large percentage of dividend recaps. Blue Coat was not, I'm sorry, Robbins was not. Blue Coat was a partial. So generally speaking, it was a small percentage of the portfolio. But for us, it's really looking at that sponsor and how much capital remains invested in the business.

I appreciate that. And in terms of control, what kind of normally assume as a direct origination capability? I mean, Ark, obviously, that's a very unique transaction, despite the fact that it is a little short dated in terms of maturity. You mentioned Robbins as well. But when you look at Blue Coat or Global Tech, both of which, the tranches are $330 million and $615 million -- or excuse me, $330 million and $230 million, respectively, of which Solar owns $20 million or $13 million. How do you kind of weigh the risk reward in that environment, right? The larger those tranches are, the higher the likelihood those were sold by large broker-dealers, like Jeffrey, Credit Suisse, Deutsche. And if that's happening at a point when liquidity is high and demand for loans is higher, as Michael mentioned, how should we kind of get comfort with the fact that those deals aren't necessarily subjected to some of the, we'll call price concessions and/or covenant concessions that everyone's been talking about in the middle market as of late?

Yes, I think, a couple of comments. First of all, as we've always said, the reason -- one of the main reasons we've stayed away from the syndicated market, in general, across both portfolios is the access to due diligence. Do we have the ability to go in and do direct due diligence the way we like to as owners of the business and owners of the assets, as opposed to syndicated due diligence, which you know is abbreviated 2-week style off the trading desk or syndication desk. So Global, it's a business that we've looked at for years with a couple of different sponsors. So we've been on the inside and felt this was an opportunity to leverage our knowledge. It's, as we mentioned, the #1 provider of telecom/communication services to the intimates in prison. So it's a nice credit story. It's a little bit tough to see where the equity return will come from, other than deleveraging, because it's a nice key free cash flow business. But that's one where we feel comfortable, given the underlying business, which is really what drives your fundamental risk, right? I mean, it's nice to have covenants. But what's first and foremost, is the fundamentals and stability of the underlying business you're underwriting and having prudent leverage for -- in that capital structure for the free cash flow profile of that company, so that's first and foremost. And so in this environment, it's important for us to be highly selective on the businesses when we have to accept less than ideal indenture terms, perhaps. I think the other key risk mitigant is, to your point, we only invested $13 million and $20 million, respectively -- so in those 2 investments. So we are a little bit smaller when we're going to look at things that we might not love the covenant package as much.

Okay, okay, great. And just a question regarding the portfolio breakout composition. Moody's, obviously, did study on second liens and found that the recovery rate on second lien loan is just marginally higher than mezz, right, like 3.6% better. Now BDCs are doing quite a bit of second lien transactions, particularly in this market, when that's all that's available. Yet I don't necessarily see the second lien breakout in your portfolio, as you kind of classify it as bank debt and senior secured. So of your senior secured portfolio, what percentage is second lien?

We haven't disclosed that in the past. But I would say it's a good mix of second lien and stretch first. And I think your comment about recoveries. Again, not all companies are created equal. It's not just about the security. I think, in part, second liens get a higher recovery than mezz just because by having virtue of the second lien, they have increased negotiating leverage, vis-à-vis, a first lien lender. They are in the room, so to speak, as opposed to an unsecured lender, who is kept at bay by the banks. And additionally, it all, as we've talked about in the past, it goes to attachment point. Where is your second lien attaching? As you know, with DS Waters, for example, we're getting repaid, as we mentioned, at a premium to par. On a second lien, we attached at 2.6x and went to 3.2x. So we'd argue that where you sit in the capital structure is more important than whether you have a first lien, a second lien or unsecured from that perspective.

Appreciate that. And I know, Bruce, as you mentioned, maybe mid-5s on the Blue Coat Systems transaction. In terms of volume debt-to-EBITDA, how would you compare the leverage levels that you're seeing today, particularly on deals, compared to where they were in 2007? Are you near those levels?

I would say, look, our portfolio, as you know, consistently has been in the mid- to high-4s in terms of leverage level. That's where we're comfortable. The market on some deals today, even though we might do a Blue Coat at 5.5x [ph], or a Robbins at 2.5x [ph]. The market for certain credits is as high as 6x [[ph], 6.5x [ph]. But obviously, those are not assets that we've been comfortable playing in.

There are no additional questions at this time. I would now like to turn the presentation back over to Mr. Michael Gross for closing remarks.

Thank you very much, and thank you for all your great questions and your attention this morning. And those of you participating, we'll talk to you in 15 minutes on the Solar Senior call. Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.