Anthony J. Allott
Management
Sure. It's a good question. It's one that we've touched on before. But first of all, the operating cash flow stagnant. I think, probably, that's one that we'd want to come back and talk to you more about, and I'm not sure that, that's exactly how we view that. But certainly, on returns, which is a little easier to talk about, we've acknowledged before that when you do an acquisition, it tends to drive your returns down and it gives you sort of the platform upon which you can build and make good investments. And so it's -- unless you can buy things that -- if you look at our typical returns, you'd be happy buying things sub-5 to not be hurting your returns with the acquisition. And so it's just not plausible for us or anybody with our kinds of returns to go buy something and enhance the return initially on it. So you've got to see something beyond that. And we have in each of our businesses. I think, the one that certainly is most heavy on the numbers right now, of course, is the European acquisition of Vogel & Noot on the Can side, and that's really just everything we've talked about, right? We bought it right ahead of a European acquisition, as we said. It's a long-term play. We were going to make fairly sizable investments in new plants. At the time, we didn't necessarily realize that those were going to be all-around kind of geopolitical hotspots. So without doubt, that particular business right now is underperforming any expectation that we had for it. But that doesn't mean we would necessarily score that one as a loss at all. We really do believe, at this point, that assuming the geopolitical situation settles a bit, that these are spots that should grow, should grow as Can consumers and so we continue to see those opportunities. But that one in the numbers is definitely a little bit heavier right now. If you look at the rest, I mean, and, again, we invested quite a bit, that drives down returns when you do it, but when we look at free cash generation of, for instance, the Rexam business that we bought on the retortable plastic containers, that's a business that has been very strong in terms of cash generation for us. And we're very pleased with its performance thus far. Portola, you've already heard from us we think that's an excellent acquisition for the business. So I think it'd be hard to say is there one answer to your question, but we would say that aside from the fact we made a long-term decision on the European food can, we feel pretty good about where we're positioned to enhance value with these acquisitions.