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Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 30, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter Silicon Motion Technology Corporation 2018 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Ann and I’ll be your conference modulator for today. At this time, all the participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we’ll conduct a question-and-answer session. Before we begin today’s conference I’ve been asked to read the following forward-looking statements. This conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended. Such forward-looking statements include, without limitation, statements regarding trends in the semiconductor industry and our future results of operations, financial conditions and business prospects. Although such statements are based on our own information and information from other sources we believe to be reliable, you should not place undue reliance on them. These statements involve risks and uncertainties and actual market trends and our results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in these forward-looking statements for a variety of reasons. Potential risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to continued competitive pressure in the semiconductor industry and the effect of such pressure on prices; unpredictable changes in technology and consumer demand for multimedia consumer electronics; the state of and any change in our relationship with our major customers; and changes in political, economic, legal and social conditions in Taiwan. For additional discussion of these risks and uncertainties and other factors, please see the documents we file from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements, which apply only as of the date of this conference call. I must advise that this conference is being recorded today Wednesday 30 of January, 2019. I would like to hand the conference over to your first speaker for day, Mr. Jason Tsai, Senior Director of Investor Relations and Strategy. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Jason Tsai

Management

Thank you, and good morning everyone and welcome to Silicon Motion’s fourth quarter 2018 financial results conference call and webcast. My name is Jason Tsai, and with me here is Wallace Kou, our President and CEO; and Riyadh Lai, our Chief Financial Officer. The agenda for today is as follows: Wallace will start with a review of our key business developments; Riyadh will then discuss our fourth quarter financial results and provide our outlook; we’ll then conclude with Q&A. Before we get started, I’d like to remind you of our Safe Harbor policy, which was read at the start of this call. For a comprehensive overview of the risks involved in investing in our securities, please refer to our filings with the US SEC. For more details on our financial results, please refer to our press release, which was filed on Form 6-K after the close of market yesterday. This webcast will be available for replay on our website, www.siliconmotion.com, for a limited time. To enhance investors’ understanding of our ongoing economic performance, we will discuss non-GAAP information during this call. We use non-GAAP financial measures internally to evaluate and manage our operations. We have, therefore, chosen to provide this information to enable you to perform comparisons of our operating results in a manner similar to how we analyze our own operating results. The reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP financial data can be found in our earnings release issued yesterday. We ask that you review it in conjunction with this call. With that, I will turn the call over to Wallace.

Wallace Kou

Management

Thank you, Jason. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I will first update you on our business, and Riyadh will review our financials and provide our outlook later on this call. For the fourth quarter, our sale of $123 million declined 11% sequentially, and we are near the mid-point of our guidance range. Full year 2018 sales were $530 million up 1% year-over-year. Earnings per ADS for the quarter were $0.83 down 13% sequentially. Full year 2018 earnings per ADS were $3.41, up 21% year-over-year. Let me first talk about our clients SSD business, revenue from clients SSD sales increased about 30% for the full year, much stronger than what we expected in the start of this year, although a bit less than our revised 35% target in Q3. SSD controller sales to our NAND flash partners did increase by about 35% year-over-year. We believe that demand for SSD grew as NAND flash prices declined meaningful and as the affordability improved. In Q4, we were expecting stable sequential SSD controller sales. Q4 SSD controller sales however declined 20% sequentially as our China module maker customer became more (inaudible) adverse in procuring NAND component and building SSD as falling NAND prices accelerated dramatically, despite NAND flash makers holding back NAND shipment and building inventory. Module maker became more cautious and they now want to try to catch a falling knife. Looking to 2019, we believe our clients SSD controller sales will continue to grow and NAND prices will fall further. NAND industry supply will grow robustly this year as the yield improve on 96 layer 3D NAND and 64 layer QLC NAND ramps. Demand for all major market segment on the other hand remains soft at today’s and additionally inventory level as a NAND vendor are at an…

Riyadh Lai

Management

Thank you Wallace, and Hello everyone. I will summarize our financial results and then provide our outlook. Before I begin, I would like to reiterate that our comments today will focus primarily on our non-GAAP results unless otherwise specifically noted. A reconciliation of our GAAP to non-GAAP data in included with the earnings release issued today. In Q4, revenue declined 11% sequentially. For full year 2018, revenue grew 1% year-over-year. Growth for our three key products are as follows; SSD controller sales declined about 20% sequentially, but for full year 2018 grew by about 30% and accounted for nearly 40% of sales. eMMC plus UFS controller sales declined about 15% sequentially and full year 2018 declined about 10% and accounted for about 25% to 30% of sales. And SSD solution sales grew about 5% sequentially and for full year 2018 declined about 5% and accounted for nearly 20% of sales. Gross margins in Q4 declined to 50.5% from 51% in Q3 due to declining high gross margin controller sales and increasing lower gross margin SSD solution sales. Gross margin for the full year increased to 49.3% from 48% in 2017 due to more favorable product mix. In 2018, our higher gross margin controller sales grew while our lower gross margin SSD solution sales declined. Operating expenses in Q4 declined to $31.4 million from $33.1 million in Q3 due to lower year-end bonus accruals. Operating expenses for the full year increased very modestly to $128.5 million from $127.8 million in 2017. Operating margin in Q4 declined to 25.1% from 27.1% in Q3 as lower revenue and gross margins were partially offset by lower operating expenses. Operating margin for the full year increased to 25% from 23.6% in 2017, primarily because of gross margin improvements. Our effective tax rate in Q3 declined…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] our first question comes from the line of Mehdi Hosseini of SIG. please ask.

Mehdi Hosseini

Analyst

A couple of follow-ups, the SSD shipment in Q4 was better than expected, I just want to understand, were these primarily shipments to the channel distributors or was it directly to the end customer? And as a follow-up to your expectation for a meaningful pickup in the second half especially with the new projects on open-channel. Can you provide us some anecdotal hollow data point that would help with confidence that hockey-stick ramp to these new products are actually still on target, and NAND prices have been going down for more than a year and at the same time we will be waiting for this project ramp. I am just wondering if you could add some more color here.

Wallace Kou

Management

Our SSD shipments in Q4, we do have a multiple distributor, however all sells through to the end customers. But due to the inventory NAND price decline, our module customers become more cautious to take order. So for OEM I see there’s very strong and same as we forecast. Regarding the Shannon, the open-channel SSD produce, I think as we said, we are progressing very well with our two hyperscaler customer in China, and we are in the final tuning. We already started live testing in two datacenters since December. Now we are in the final tuning and they also need to modify the phone software and we are tuning the performance as well as reduce the latency to meet all the different applications. As you all know, datacenters have multiple applications, different units have different demand, so their complexity is very large. We have very high confidence so far, we will ramp our open-channel SDD product by middle of this year.

Mehdi Hosseini

Analyst

It seems to me that these customers are less price sensitive and actually when these ramp happens, they start in the middle of the year, they could actually be margin accretive. Am I thinking right about this, anything else?

Riyadh Lai

Management

Mehdi, these are our SSD solutions and so these SSD solutions of our generally have materially lower gross margins compared to our SSD controllers. While these products are also - these open-channel SSD controllers are going to be using our controller, so we’re going to be able to recognize the controller profitability. The bulk of the bill of materials for these SSDs are NAND flash and since NAND flash accounts for a very large part of the build, those [bump] costs are around, gross margins from these sales are much lower than our traditional controller products.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Karl Ackerman of Cowen. Please ask the question.

Karl Ackerman

Analyst

I want to go back to Mehdi’s question on the Shannon and Ferri guidance. Within your implied revenue guidance for the Shannon Systems and entire SSD business units, how deep are the implications that falling NAND prices will have on your ASPs? I am of the assumption that those SSDs are priced on a 90 day lag. And I guess on a certain (inaudible) pay contracts you have in place that underscores your more bullish outlook, our guess is your expectation with second half ramp driven primarily by improvements in demand elasticity. And I have a follow-up please.

Wallace Kou

Management

For datacenter customers, it’s not like channel or module customer, even like PC-OEM. By seeing the pricing they will be discussed and settled given from last year’s December. So they are all lines of volume, all lines of delivery, everything. So as the price, there was (inaudible) to the scene they can predict for 2019, but all the price supply volume need to be settled. I’ve seen this is very common for either China as well as in the US.

Riyadh Lai

Management

Let me also clarify, we have client SSDs where we are supplying controllers to both the NAND flash makers as well as to module makers. These flash makers and module makers are using our controllers to build SSDs for PC and other client devices. But these are products, these are very sensitive to changes in the price of NAND and these products are going in to applications that are currently mostly using hard disk drives, and as such they are very sensitive to the changes in price relative to the [HEDs] and so these are products where we are expecting price less demand to have a much larger impact to our overall sales. Now these products are very different from the datacenter SSDs that Wallace had talked about. These are the SSDs that are going to Alibaba where we are using our new open channel SSD controllers, but we are also building an entire module. These applications are much less price sensitive to changing price of NAND.

Wallace Kou

Management

The price will be starting to decline quarterly, the price will be settled, negotiated, settled even by last year December.

Karl Ackerman

Analyst

For my follow-up, on your module business, it would seem to transition from eMCP to eMCP based smartphones could be fairly lumpy. Based on your impressive outlook for 2019, how are feeling about reigning in fixed cost as you also contemplate UFS acceleration and customer concentration risks.

Wallace Kou

Management

Regarding the UFS, we work closely with one of our US flash NAND maker and we are in very good progress because today the major smartphone player for android is just above a (inaudible) maker is very, very straight forward. I think that our partner and customer focus on the five leading smartphone makers and we are already in initial shipment for some program, and certainly we are in the process in qualification. So I think we have pretty good confidence and visibility about the ramping, about the program. In addition for the China module maker, due to low end smartphones still pretty healthy growing in the Indian market, so the NAND maker, they have a lot to do low density eMMC or eMCP. So we believe our China module maker customer they can grows very rapidly for the low end, low density eMMC and eMCP product for the low end smartphone market.

Riyadh Lai

Management

Let me also add to your question relating to managing our operating cost, operating expense given the dynamic nature of our business. This year visibility is weaker than what we typically have, but we will continue to tightly manage our operating expenses as necessary. We’re also working on right-sizing operations at our core products that are currently less profitable and secondly we’re also taking action on non-core products. Nevertheless, for important products like our SSD controllers and our UFS controllers, you should expect us to continue actively investing resources even when near-term business visibility is less clear. Continued technology and product development of both hardware and firmware are critical for our future success.

Operator

Operator

You have a question from Gokul Hariharan of JP Morgan. Please as your question.

Gokul Hariharan

Analyst

So first of all SSD adoption as well as planned SSD controller growth. Riyadh could you repeat your expectation for the full year, did I hear right if you said that in the full year you are expecting through pretty much the flat line. Secondly, could you talk a little bit about what has been the inhibitor in terms of growth, given the pretty sharp decline in NAND flash prices, and is there a very difference, the [key things] you’ve seen in terms of growth between your PC-OEM customers and some of the module makers particularly the China module makers that was my first question.

Wallace Kou

Management

Regarding our SSD controller growth, we believe that the only way we definitely will grow roughly around about 20% or higher; however, due to the NAND price decline sharply our SSD by be impacted, so also we’ll work very hard for the gross margin. In addition, we believe because of falling NAND prices we’re try to increasing the adoption for long term, but the effect is not immediate. Sale of the PC-OEM a journey based on long term contract that takes time to renegotiate, when NAND prices fall and new (inaudible) take time. And so our OEM project seems very stable and with visibility only about six months and as previously discussed there are more risk up here for module maker to take our controller still to the sharp NAND price drop. But we still own a very large percent of the module maker for SSD, but we have confident when the price becomes stable in the demand, our visibility will be much stronger this year.

Riyadh Lai

Management

Gokul, let me just add to what Wallace has talked about. While we are expecting our SSD to be flat in Q1, we are expecting very strong growth for the full year. Just our visibility is quite limited given that our largest customers our NAND flash partners have not been able to provide us with full year forecast this year. So instead of a 12 month sales procurement forecast to us this year, they are not providing us with six month procurement forecast. So this is limiting complete visibility that we have. We have theoretical visibility in terms of the dynamics of our industry and the projects; we’re expecting a lot of our PC-OEM projects to start ramping mid-year point. But the exact sales volume we still do not visibility for that. And so instead of giving you a false precision by providing a dollar sales growth range, we decided that its’ more prudent just to provide directional trends for our key products.

Gokul Hariharan

Analyst

Okay, so with design win Kingston, how does it look from a market share perspective given that they have been pretty much exclusively using one of your competitors’ controller solutions, does that mean that there is a meaningful potential increase in market share given their position in the channel market?

Wallace Kou

Management

We have been working with this particular leading module maker in the world, I think the early 2018, its quite interesting they come to us and looking for a long term partnership. So we have multiple program working with this customer from channel as well to PC-OEM and the future enterprise product. Just step by step, although we try to be quite this moment, hopefully we’re going to see very bright result in the future.

Gokul Hariharan

Analyst

And last question I had was on eMMC and UFS, actually customer mix changes in pretty tough market environment as well towards more Chinese module makers as well as your US NAND flash customer for UFS. Do you see any margin changes happening, given that you are yielded to some margin pressures in Q1 in the eMMC business? Are there any meaningful margin pressure emerging in the eMMC business?

Riyadh Lai

Management

We have a few trends Gokul, we have the trend of eMMC converting to UFS, and in the initial stage of where the UFS volumes are small, the gross profitability of UFS products are better than the segment average for eMMC plus UFS. But overtime when UFS becomes the primary type of embedded memory for mobile devices the gross profitability will converge. So this is one of the trends. The other trend that we’re seeing especially in Q1 is, in Q1 we’re going to be temporarily shipping a lot of legacy eMMC parts within the eMMC segment, and for these older legacy parts the gross margins at lower end this is affecting our segment as well as contributing to overall lower gross profitability.

Operator

Operator

We now have Rajvindra from Needham & Company. Please go ahead with your question.

Rajvindra Gill

Analyst

I just wanted some more clarification about the comment that the flash vendors are unable to provide a full year forecast, you know usually its 12 months and now you’re saying they can’t provide six months. And you mentioned that the NAND pricing has fallen significantly, but it doesn’t necessarily – it takes time to see those affecting the market place. I’m just trying to understand that because in the past [playing] as it is it’s a very price elastic market; you would see adoption pretty quickly. So why is it that this particular time its different from – is it different from other period where we have seen NAND pricing drop and there’s a lag that’s having – that’s taking effect.

Wallace Kou

Management

I think there’s a couple of factors here, first of all it’s the NAND inventory, the other thing is very, very high level. And it would take time for NAND maker to sell through the inventory, and they still have the output come out in Q1 and Q2. So each of the NAND maker are designed, they are receiving the full cap on PC-OEM also it only has six months, they don’t have a full year visibility. So they will like to be more cultured, give a six months forecast instead of one full year forecast, so that’s the current situation. But the deserving production is very solid and naturally we have a more deserving pipeline in our hand and you’re seeing, because 96 layer TLC and (inaudible) layer QLC design for both SATA and PCIe, we have 70% more than last year. Now for China module maker, due to the NAND price decline sharply, so they try to be more cultured. They do not want to buy a large volume of NAND. So they step by step mostly find the NAND and ship the product based on the customer demand. So our visibility for module maker is even worse. That’s why it’s very hard for us to give a very concrete guidance. We understand clients demand is very strong and continuing from Q2 all the way to the end of the year, but we cannot give a concrete number regarding how much sell revenue growth for clients would be at this moment.

Rajvindra Gill

Analyst

So that’s very helpful a lot. Is this based on your experience, is this a unique situation that we’re in right now where even the NAND makers are not getting the forecast, even full year forecast from their customers or is this kind of part for course, when we are in this situation for (inaudible) NAND?

Wallace Kou

Management

I would say this is a very unique situation right now. Many, many people in the food chain under estimate the NAND over supply situation.

Rajvindra Gill

Analyst

The over-supply situation are you seeing that it’s been driven also because of weakening demand, obviously the smartphones’ in another market. Is this just purely supply – over-supply due to the transition to 3D NAND, any kind of comments on the demand part of the equation?

Wallace Kou

Management

There are many factors, many data points here that’s related to global economic slowdown, related to US China trade war, related to many, many uncertainty, also smartphones slowing down and the [NAND] cycle extended, and PC market it just stays flat or just decline gradually. So, I think the situation because of the yield of the 3D NAND is much better than the past. So the NAND output, the big growth compared with current economic situation it doesn’t match and the gap becomes very big. So NAND makers all are trying to find the effective way to move the inventory, we definitely (inaudible) some of the movement to move the inventory, because clients are probably the best vehicle to move the NAND. But however, the current situation is very unique, it’s very special and they would never have them before in the past.

Rajvindra Gill

Analyst

And last question in terms of your view of NAND spit supply and NAND ASPs falling, any sense there in terms of what is the supply from your vantage point, how much greater is that (inaudible) say previous thinking and any view on NAND pricing, how much is it going to fall this year basing your expectations?

Wallace Kou

Management

I think it’s very hard for me to comment for that, because that’s a NAND nature related question. I think you can see all their financial report and if at all they really have very, very inventory, ex-inventory, they need to figure how to move. But however Q1 also is a weak season for the full year and we definitely can see gradual rebounce in the second quarter and all the way to the higher season in Q3-Q4. And we’re going to see more indication to come through the NAND; we’re going to see data centers about to reproaching the NAND and (inaudible) Q3. Do I think that eventually the (inaudible) will be resolved, but the Q1 is the worst season for the full year?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] our next question is from Mike Crawford B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead with your question.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Do you think in 2019 you’re going to end up having a new number one customer displacing your card, top customer?

Riyadh Lai

Management

Mike come again, your question is, are we going to have another large customer replace our card launch customer?

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Yeah, do you think we’ll have a change and who would be your largest customer somewhat in the prior number of years (inaudible).

Riyadh Lai

Management

I think we definitely have a growing customer from NAND makers. We also have a growing strong customer from module makers.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

And just switching gears a little bit to regarding open channel. So, I know visibility (inaudible) just directionally how do you see potential capital raised for open channel controllers and SSD comprising a percentage of your total business. Say is it more a design win thing in 2019 and then you see a real ramp up in 2020 or what – directionally where do you see that heading?

Wallace Kou

Management

I think as we said for China enterprise SSD business we have to sell a NAND enterprise controller as they enterprise these solutions. So that is really ASD solution selling to the two China major hybrid scaler open channel. We believe this year the percentage from the overall demand probably this year is very small, but gradually they will increase and those are very important really for their data center storage. And for the US development, I think we are still working and cooking with each of hyper scaler, but maybe they don’t call it open channel, but they have the similar concept and requirement, they want to have a tailored enterprise controller, with tailored [firmware] together to meet a specific demand application. And we are in parallel process for both enterprise open channel solution in China and enterprise controller engagement for US market.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

And just the last question in the US market, both markets the initial opportunity is to get in to data center applications. But how far off are we talking when you consider open channel SSDs operating to handle data being generated in increasingly autonomous automobile and other applications?

Wallace Kou

Management

We really don’t know, but we know that’s really working well for certain data center application and the specific business structure, because we do see the test result and that’s why we get a good collaboration and work together with the two hyperscaler customer in China.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Anthony Stoss of Craig-Hallum. Just go ahead.

Anthony Stoss

Analyst

Riyadh can you indicate if you have any open channel revenue in your essentially flat 2019 revenue guide, and if you do, maybe a little bit of range. Second question, on the again on open channel, can you also provide more color on the tuning that still needs to be done if it’s done on (inaudible) side, and it still needs to be done on Alibaba’s side? And then lastly I would also love to hear a little bit more color on, you’re talking about design activity on SSD has been strong, maybe kind of share with us what you think in terms of number of designs that have gone live in the second half of ’19 versus second half of ’18?

Riyadh Lai

Management

I’ll start with first of your three question and Wallace will probably take the remaining two. We’ve provided a very good volume to our open channel SSD to our two Chinese hyperscalers, Alibaba and all the BAT customers. These initial test board were provided to them in Q4 of last year. So they’re already testing right now, as they have our SSDs in live situations and are testing, and we’re tuning and optimizing our software to get the performance to where it needs to be, with the expectation that by mid of this year we’re going to be able to start volume production for the remainder of the year and the second half of this year. So we are expecting meaningful revenue contribution from these open channel SSDs and this is how we’re intending to drive our growth and maintain similar revenue for SSD revenue for full year compared to last year.

Wallace Kou

Management

Regarding the tuning process, I think that the hyperscalers and us both need to put effort in doing the tuning process. As you know that each of the data center they probably - provided 20 different business units and [indications] are quite different. And so the test condition and requirement are also different, otherwise they complicate the whole process. That’s why maybe you wonder why this tuning is taking so long, because when it started a couple of hundred board testing on a couple of hundred server, it just takes time to see the result, different work flow and all the different conditions. So it’s’ just is in the final stage of the tuning process that’s why we have pretty good confidence and the production will happen in mid of the year and as a schedule from last year, and we shall see the meaningful revenue involving China SSD solution through the two China hyperscaler customer.

Anthony Stoss

Analyst

And then getting back to the desired activities, kind of what you expect in terms of number of units launched in the second half ’19 versus second half of ’18, I guess on driving at as you take second half of ’19 and first half of 2020, kind of more accurate picture in your business. So any color would be helpful?

Riyadh Lai

Management

As we talked about earlier in the call, we have a lot of programs with kind of the depot rounds. We have 70% more programs exhibiting last year compared to what we had a year ago. So we’re very well positioned. We are going in to this year with our NAND flash partners to go in to lot of our OEM programs, PC-OEM programs. So from a programs perspective the key factor that we can manage were very well set up. Now what we’re waiting for is better procurement forecast from our customers so that we can have better revenue visibility, but as things stand, we feel very good about where we are today.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude our Q&A session. And I’d like hand the conference back to Mr. Wallace Kou, President and CEO.

Wallace Kou

Management

I would like to thank all of you for joining us today and your continued interest in Silicon Motion. We’ll be attending several investor conferences in Asia and the US in the first quarter. Details of this event will be available on our website. Thank you and good bye for now.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.