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Signet Jewelers Limited (SIG)

Q4 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 27, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Signet Jewelers Fourth Quarter and Full Year Fiscal 2014 Results Conference Call. My name is Joan, and I will be the operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct the question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to Mr. James Grant, Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

James Grant

Management

Good morning, and welcome to our fourth quarter and fiscal 2014 earnings call. On our call today are Mike Barnes, CEO; and Ron Ristau, CFO. The presentation deck we will be referencing is available under the Investors section of our website, signetjewelers.com. Following Mike and Ron’s prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session about Signet operations. During our Q&A, questions should be limited to the operations of Signet. We will not be answering questions on Zale as the transaction has not closed. During today’s presentation, we will in places discuss Signet’s business outlook and make certain forward-looking statements. Any statements that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially. We urge you to read the risk factors cautionary language and other disclosures in the annual report on Form 10-K that was filed today with the SEC. We also draw your attention to slide number 2 in today’s presentation. And now, I’ll turn the call over to Mike.

Mike Barnes

Management

Thanks James and good morning everyone. We’re pleased with our fourth quarter results and our full year results. For the quarter, comp store sales at Signet increased by 4.3%. Our U.S. division comps grew at 4% compared to a 4.9% increase last year. In the UK, comp store sales increased 5.7% as the team continued its strong momentum coming out of the holiday season and on through the end of the quarter. E-commerce sales for Signet were up by 23.6% as our string of impressive double-digit growth rates continued in Q4. Signet delivered record Q4 profit driven by the strong execution of our strategies. Our operating income was $270.6 million up $2.9 million or 1.1% and diluted earnings per share were $2.18 up $0.06 or 2.8%. In the fourth quarter, the U.S. division results were driven by strong performance across a variety of merchandised categories. Bridal, colored diamonds, fashion jewelry, beads and watches, all performed very well. Our branded differentiated and exclusive brands increased by 21.8% reaching 31.1% of sales for the year. Once again, we had an impactful advertising campaign and our store execution was strong. In the UK division, results were driven by growth in bridal and fashion diamond jewelry as well as fashion and prestige watches, exclusive of Rolex, which was offered in fewer stores. Our in store teams executed with a renewed enthusiasm and drove results throughout the quarter. Lastly, in the fourth quarter, our teams did the bulk of a hard work necessary to set the stage for the February announcement regarding the Zale acquisition. I’ll take a few moments at this time to review some of the key takeaways on the Zale deal before I resume discussion on the Signet full year performance. The transaction is of course subject to Zale’s stockholder approval, certain…

Ron Ristau

Management

Thank you, Mike and good morning everyone. I’ll focus my comments today primarily on the fourth quarter and I’ll start by reviewing the fourth quarter sales in more detail. For the quarter, total sales for Signet increased 3.4% to $1,564 million compared to $1,513.3 million last year. Same store sales increased 4.3% compared to 3.5% growth in the prior year. In the U.S., our total sales increased 3.5% or $43.1 million to $1,288 million which included the same store sales increase of 4%. Our non-same store sales were up 3.2%. Sales increases were driven by a variety of merchandise categories. By category, bridal, colored diamonds, fashion jewelry, beads and watches all performed well. The number of merchandise transactions increased in both Kay and Jared. Average merchandise transaction values increased in Kay primarily due to higher sales in granted merchandise. Average merchandise value declined in Jared primarily driven by sales mix due to higher bead sales. In the UK, total sales increased 1.4% or $3.8 million to $272.2 million. Comp store sales increased by 5.7%. UK sales performance in the fourth quarter was primarily driven by growth in bridal and fashion diamond jewelry, as well as fashion and prestige watches exclusive of Rolex which was offered in fewer stores in fiscal 2014. Average merchandise transaction value was consistent with the prior year in H. Samuel and declined slightly in Ernest Jones primarily due to sales mix. The number of merchandise transactions increased in Ernest Jones due primarily to increased focus on the bridal business and sales of watches. The decrease in H. Samuel was primarily due to continued store closings. Signet eCommerce sales in the fourth quarter as Mike mentioned were $79 million, up $15.1 million or 23.6%. Now let’s review the components of operating income. Our Signet gross margin was…

Mike Barnes

Management

Thanks Ron. I’d like to again just thank all of our Signet team members worldwide for the great contributions to the successful quarter and to the fiscal year 2014. Now we would be pleased to take any questions that you have. But again as James mention, during our Q&A, questions should be limited to the operations of Signet. We're not answering any questions on Zale as the transaction has not yet closed. Thanks again and let’s begin the Q&A session please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Eric Beder from Brean Capital. Please go ahead.

Eric Beder - Brean Capital

Analyst

Good morning. Congratulations on a solid quarter.

Mike Barnes

Management

Thank you, Eric.

Eric Beder - Brean Capital

Analyst

When you look into 2014, I know that you have changed the cadence a little bit with the advertising; you are a little more aggressive in down periods. I'm curious how that's going to be reflected in 2014? And when you look in Valentine’s Day, how did you guys continue to do extremely well even with kind of the bad weather and traffic patterns we see with other players?

Mike Barnes

Management

Yes. The weather, I'll take that one first and then I'll talk about the advertising a little bit, and what we did and what we're thinking about going into this year. It's very interesting, Eric, because we got impacted when Mother Nature decided to deal her blow. We got hit just like everybody else and it was pretty tough, there were periods of time where we had to close stores because of the weather, certainly the customers weren't coming out, it was not only the snow, but just the better, better cold that was out there and it was tough. The great thing is that our customer seems to be very resilient because whenever we had nice open windows of weather warming up and snow melts, the customers were coming into the stores and they were coming in and they were buying. And so it kind of balanced itself out and I’ve heard a lot of the market news in retail about the weather and the impact that it’s had. But I would have to say that as tough as it was weather wise. I feel like the customer was resilient, they kept coming back. And so we finished out our quarter. January was very tough in the U.S., it was pretty flattish. The UK continued its strong momentum that it had through holiday throughout the rest of the quarter, throughout January. And we've had -- this earnings announcement is a little later than the other three because of the year-end piece of it. So we’ve had ability to see about half the quarter. And Q1 has started off pretty well, we feel good about the guidance that we gave that you have seen. And we feel good about meeting our objectives for the year. On the advertising question, we did increase advertising a little bit last year. We did a little bit more continuity advertising and we extended it back into October a little bit. This year we are looking at how to go about that. We are working with the networks and in fact we’ve got our senior people in New York with some pre-meetings right now. And we will have to see how they are able to negotiate things. But we are looking to try to add a little bit more flexibility into the way that we handle our advertising and we will have to see how that works out. But it will be another very strong advertising year, we are going to have some great campaigns out there and we are looking forward to a good year in fiscal 2015.

Eric Beder - Brean Capital

Analyst

Okay. Congratulations. Good luck for this year.

Mike Barnes

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Armstrong from CL King & Associates. Please go ahead. Bill Armstrong - CL King & Associates: Good morning, Mike and Ron. In the UK, you had a strong holiday season and it looks like sales even accelerated in January. Is that acceleration continuing quarter-to-date and what do you think is driving that? Could you maybe discuss some of the macro environmental issues in the UK currently?

Mike Barnes

Management

Yes. We did finish out the quarter very strong in the UK, January was very good, it continued the strong holiday performance. We’ve had a good start to the first quarter; we are not going to quantify that other than saying that on a consolidated basis in the UK and in the U.S. it’s been a good start. There are some timing shifts. The UK has a Mother’s Day shift from week 5 to week 9. In fact Mother’s Day is going to be this Sunday in the UK. But everything seems to be moving along pretty much according to plan and we feel very good about being able to hit our objectives in this first quarter in the UK and the U.S. and on a consolidated basis. And we think that we’ve got a pretty good start to the new fiscal year. So, we’re pretty excited about it. We’ve got a lot of things driving that UK business. They’ve been collaborating a lot with our U.S. teams as well. And I’d tell you, our teams on both sides have just done a remarkable job. We have a lot of experience. We’ve got a new management team in the UK that has a tremendous enthusiasm; they’ve got a great culture driving the people; the stores teams are newly excited about driving the business there. They had a great holiday and kudos to them, they deserved it, they’ve worked really hard and they’ve done a fantastic job. They’re driving their diamond business; they’re driving their watch business; they’re adding new and different promotions. It’s really an evolution of the jewelry industry in the UK. I think that our team is trying to drive over there and I think they’re doing a pretty darn good job of it. Now one great quarter is not a long-term trend. So I am not going to get overly excited about it. But you have to start a good long trend somewhere and I hope this is it, but we’re going to be looking towards long-term consistent performance. That’s really what matters, is giving the best customer experience over a very long time period and watching your business grow and develop because of that. So, they’re doing wonderful job with the merchandise, they are doing great with promotions, they are really driving the business. And we look forward to the balance of the year. Bill Armstrong - CL King & Associates: Okay. Anything that call out in UK in terms of either overall consumer spending trends or the competitive environment in jewelry, anything going on there?

Mike Barnes

Management

Yes, the competitive environment is tough as always. We have some -- a lot of competition there in the jewelry business. And I think though that our team has positioned itself very well in that environment and that we’re doing some new and exciting things to kind of change the dynamic of how competition works over there. The best compliment I can get, I think somebody told me the other day that one of the competitors said to them you guys are not acting very gentlemanly over here, you are driving your business very strong. That’s what I want to hear. So it’s good. And we’re going to continue looking at new ways to drive the business and not just the same old things. But the macro environment seems to be getting slowly better; hopefully that will continue on. And business for us so far has been pretty good. And again, we look forward to the balance of the year. Bill Armstrong - CL King & Associates: Okay, great. And just a real quick question for Ron. It looks like your CapEx this year will be roughly $30 million to $50 million higher than last year, looks like about the same number of stores being open. What would explain the difference or the increase in CapEx this year?

Ron Ristau

Management

Two primary things, so number one is just a shift from some IP projects that we were unable to complete in fiscal 2014, so the timing of them shifted out into 2015. And the second thing is the number of store remodels that we are doing is up somewhat in next year. And those two things account really for the bulk of the differential. Bill Armstrong - CL King & Associates: Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Mike Barnes

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Simeon Siegel from Nomura Securities. Please go ahead.

Simeon Siegel - Nomura Securities

Analyst

Great, thanks. Good morning guys.

Mike Barnes

Management

Good morning.

Simeon Siegel - Nomura Securities

Analyst

So Mike, I think you noted that Ultra drove 80 basis points of operating margin dilution to the U.S. segment this year. Can you talk about the margin opportunities there this year as those conversions drive the improved productivity? And then Ron, I believe you guys beat your inter quarter gross margin expectation? Can you just talk about where the improvement fell between the commodity cost versus the promotional cadence and maybe the right way to think about that, those elements for the next few quarters? Thanks.

Ron Ristau

Management

Okay. Well, when you get to Ultra, as we said Ultra last year, as we came through the year, we came through with the negative EPS in the first quarter of 3 -- about $0.06 in the second quarter and about another $0.03 in the third quarter. And then we started to turn slightly accretive as we had indicated in the fourth quarter as the business really started to getting traction. So, I think the best way to think about it is that those numbers from last year will certainly not be repeated. We use money in Ultra in any other quarters. So that would be helpful and it is helpful in the first quarter. That’s probably the best way to think about that, just from an overall basis rather than break it down from what’s in the margin and what’s in the SG&A and everything else. So, I would look at it from a total EPS perspective. And when we think about the margin and what improved in the fourth quarter; I mean the improvements were, there is a little bit -- there was some in margin and there were some in SG&A versus our original expectation. Some of our SG&A savings had to do with actually some lower bonus calculations. So that’s not a way we like to have that happened but that did happened versus our original expectation. And that movement is really almost too small to talk about in any substance, so I would just say, a little better in the margin as we came through January, some of the promotions we were doing in December came off and therefore the margins went up a little bit, and we realized some benefit from that.

Simeon Siegel - Nomura Securities

Analyst

Okay, and then on the back of that going into, I guess looking forward, is there the right way to think about or any color helping with commodity costs and the impact that might have over the next few quarters?

Ron Ristau

Management

Sure. I think the commodity cost question, as we said last year, with our average costing system, the price improvements in gold which started to incur in the first quarter of last year, we didn’t realize that much of a benefit for last year because it just takes time to monitor. So, we will get a bigger benefit from gold commodity cost increases declining this year. I will point out there will be some offsets to that. Number one will be the fact that our scrap recovery rates when we sell gold on materials that we melt down, we will receive less money for that, therefore that’s an offset to the improvement in the average price of gold that we will see. And we also are still dealing with the flow through on the commodity hedge losses that we incurred last year in the first quarter because we were hedged. And when the prices unwound so rapidly, we took a fairly sizable hit, a piece of which went through last year’s P&L, and a piece of which will go through this year’s P&L. That’s about $19 million negative across the quarters in the whole year as disclosed in our 10-K. But net-net, I would say that gold will be provided it behaves’ this morning it’s down again, I don’t know if anybody noticed, but it’s went up to 1,390, today it broke below 1,300 again. So I think net-net it will be a helpful situation to us. And I do not think that you should anticipate that margins will be down like they were in the fourth quarter. I think we’ll be able to get some more stability in our margin as we look into 2015. And so we’re relatively in good shape with that. I hope that answers your question.

Simeon Siegel - Nomura Securities

Analyst

Yes. No, that helps. So thank you very much and good luck for the year.

Ron Ristau

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Rick Patel from Stephens. Please go ahead. Rick, are you there?

Rick Patel - Stephens

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Operator

Operator

I can now.

Rick Patel - Stephens

Analyst

Hi, good morning everyone and congrats on a strong year. Just a follow-up to an earlier question; comp guidance for the first quarter looks pretty healthy in light of relatively difficult traffic trends at the mall. So, how would you characterize it? Is it continued share gains in bridal? Have you raised prices so far in the New Year? Has traffic come back? Just help us think about what you think will drive that comp?

Mike Barnes

Management

Well Rick, you’re right. I mean traffic has been tough, but what we’re seeing are -- we’re seeing strong transactions. And you mentioned bridal that was very significant for us. We did see strong bridal growth; in fact the mix increased slightly there. And fortunately, bridal is a continuity business; people get engaged all throughout the year. Of course at holidays sometimes, it gets a little better even, but it is a strong business for every quarter of the year. So, that’s one of the reasons that we’re so focused on being the best in bridal. But our fashion business is a bit good too. And I’d tell you I attribute that to the fact that we’ve got some exciting merchandise out there. Some of the new styles that we’ve got out there, some of the colored diamonds that we’re selling out there, I mean they’re just doing tremendously for us. And our customers are looking for this new innovative type merchandise and they are coming into our stores. So we’ve been beaten down a little bit with the lower traffic in the malls, we’ve been beaten down by Mother Nature and the weather. But the customers, as I mentioned earlier, they are just resilient, they just keep coming back. And they are coming back because our teams are doing a fantastic job in the stores, because our corporate teams are doing an incredible job creating and innovating new and exciting merchandise, and that’s what’s driving our business, that’s really what it’s all about.

Rick Patel - Stephens

Analyst

Great. And then can you talk about watches, it seems like that was an area that stores did very well during holiday season. What’s your outlook for this business for this year? And considering how well you are doing, is it an area that you’d look to increase shelf space into or would that hurt your ability to drive the core jewelry business?

Mike Barnes

Management

Watches have been a good category for us; they’ve been pretty strong; we’ve got a lot of brands that are doing very well. It’s still a relatively small category for us. In the U.S., it accounts for about 7% of our business, but it’s an important piece of the business, because it does bring people and traffic into the stores. A lot of people are looking for specific watch brands when they come out shopping and that brings them into the stores, and hopefully we’ll end up selling them some diamonds as well as watches, when they do that. But it’s been a strong part of the business. We continue to evolve that piece of the business too. We’re continuing to look into certain higher end fashion offerings. We’ve done pretty well by putting MICHELE into a decent number of Jared stores, we’ve also put Gucci out there, Gucci has tested very well, Coach is another fairly new brand for us that has tested well and we’re looking at expanding some of these brands even further. So it’s pretty exciting. In the UK, watches have always been a bigger part of the business, it’s about a third of our business in the UK. So, it’s very strong. A lot of that’s attributable to the fact that culturally in the UK jewelry stores sell fashion watches, whereas in the U.S. generally they don’t sell a lot of the kind of mid tier fashion watches. So, we’ve had a very strong business in the UK with watches. Michael Kors which everyone knows is one of the hot brands out there. It’s a brand that we carry for watches and jewelry in the UK, and it was terrific for us. So, we’re excited about the partnership that we have with the major watch companies out there. And we intend to build upon that even further. We have a team at the largest watch show in the world right now’ in fact it started today the Basel Watch Fair in Basel Switzerland. And unfortunately, this is the first time I’ve missed that show in about 25 years. But I’m glad to be here today, given our great fourth quarter results and talking about the great future that we have in front of us here.

Rick Patel - Stephens

Analyst

We’re glad you’re with us. Thanks very much and good luck this year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Oliver Chen from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Nancy Hilliker - Citigroup

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thanks so much. This is Nancy Hilliker filling in for Oliver Chen. Congratulations on the quarter.

Mike Barnes

Management

Thank you.

Nancy Hilliker - Citigroup

Analyst

We wanted to ask a little bit more about the strong performance in the brand and merchandise. At 31.1%, do you expect that to go higher; are there particular new launches that you would expect to continue to drive that higher? And then, just a follow-up in terms of Mother’s Day, is there any U.S. based calendar shift that we should know about?

Ron Ristau

Management

I’ll start with the -- from a calendar shift perspective, no there is nothing.

Nancy Hilliker - Citigroup

Analyst

Okay.

Ron Ristau

Management

The significant Easter flips back into April of course, but Ester is not a big driver of jewelry sales, it is somewhat helpful, but it’s just a switch between March and April, so it’s within the quarter, so nothing that you would or should be concerned about and Mother’s Day is placed almost exactly where it was last year, so the timing of our programs will be the same. Could you just repeat the first part briefly, what was first part of your question?

Nancy Hilliker - Citigroup

Analyst

Sure. The brand penetration in terms…

Ron Ristau

Management

Why we’re up, our brand penetration. It has to do with the colored diamonds. Mike?

Mike Barnes

Management

Yes. We have got some new brands in our differentiated line up. Vivid Diamonds which are a range of colored diamonds that we carry in Jared and Artistry Diamonds which is a line of colored diamonds that we carry in Kay. And they’ve just done extremely well. I mean, as I mentioned earlier, the customers are looking for very fashionable new merchandise. The colored diamonds are doing well. We have also got other merchandise categories within the diamond range. We have got a new line called Diamonds in Rhythm that was very strong for us during holiday and again during the important Valentine’s Day holiday period. And the big brand names continue to drive more volume and strong growth. The Neil Lanes are doing fantastic, Tolkowsky Diamonds doing very, very well. Some of the important fashion programs I mentioned in my prepared remarks, Jane Seymour continues to be an important part of our line-up as does Neil Lane Designs which is the fashion piece of that. And it’s just -- it’s very strong. Our team is getting better and better at the branding. We are going to continue driving that. And we are going continue looking for new things to test. And we will see how it goes. But we are pretty excited about the line-up we’ve got.

Ron Ristau

Management

Just a small point of clarification, Diamonds in Rhythm is not part of our branded proprietary group, just that…

Mike Barnes

Management

No, it’s just a…

Ron Ristau

Management

It’s a great ramp, but it just isn’t -- just not and that goes for more [confusion there also].

Nancy Hilliker - Citigroup

Analyst

Thanks so much.

Mike Barnes

Management

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Tunick from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. This is (inaudible) filling in for Brian. I guess going back to the UK. I was wondering if significant portion of your turnaround initiatives are done and finally bearing fruit at this point. I guess more specifically in terms of the 3 points you laid out last year, with merchandise, real-estate and expense management buckets, where would you say we have those at this point?

Ron Ristau

Management

I think we’re doing great. All those three initiatives are seen and reflected in the UK results. Obviously, we’ve made significant strides in the merchandise and what’s being presented and the things that we’re stressing there with our reemphasis on bridal and diamond and some of the renovation that we’ve done in the watch category, particularly the launch of Michael Kors into that brand has done well. So, that addresses the first part. The real-estate closing and renegotiating importantly of rents is continuing very strongly to contribute to financial results there. And we continue to reduce costs as evidenced by the results in the SG&A area. We did save some pretty good money. We did do some redeploying of that money into areas that drive sales. So we instituted some new bonus programs in the UK that are more similar to the U.S. and we also spent some additional money on advertising and you see that reflected in the comp. So, we’ve been moving from -- moving money into more productive areas as we save in some of the areas where we wanted to cut cost. So I’d say that program is a direct result of everything that we’ve done. That combined with our new management team and the partnership that Mike mentioned with the U.S., all of it is working together to drive that business forward.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great that’s very helpful. And then on the gross margin side, I guess going back to Simeon’s earlier question. I was wondering how we should think about it through the year between the tailwind you should get from the lower commodity cost and the impact of gold hedges. I know the P&L impact here is sales dependent, but maybe can you provide a little more color on relative to last year, where your blended input costs are and where your gold hedges are?

Ron Ristau

Management

Well, I would tell you is that the reason I made the comment in three parts is that last year we saw de minimis impact on our average gold cost. We will see greater impacts in fiscal 2015. However, the total impact on a company will be mitigated somewhat by what happens in the gold scrap cost area and of course we are dealing with those hedge losses of $19 million which are one-time in nature. Obviously, we hope that that doesn’t happen again, but we were dealing with it this year, so it will be a slight offset to the benefits that we get. The net message I guess I would try to give you is that gold will be helpful, but I would stay balanced in your thinking about how much it would improve because of the two offsets that we have.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much and best of luck.

Ron Ristau

Management

I hope that’s helpful. Sorry, next…..

Operator

Operator

Thank you our next question comes from Dorothy Lakner from Topeka Capital. Please go ahead.

Ron Ristau

Management

Good morning.

Operator

Operator

Dorothy, are you there? Dorothy, if you have muted your line, if you could unmute your line please? I’ll go on to the next person.

Mike Barnes

Management

Please do.

Operator

Operator

We have Ike Boruchow from Sterne Agee. Please go ahead.

Ike Boruchow - Sterne Agee

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Good morning and congrats on a solid year.

Mike Barnes

Management

Hi Ike.

Ike Boruchow - Sterne Agee

Analyst

I guess Ron, I wanted to ask you about the credit portfolio right now. How do you feel about the book today? And then how should we be thinking about kind of participation in 2014 and also receivable of book growth as we kind of model out 2014?

Ron Ristau

Management

Sure. That’s a very good question. Well, the credit portfolio as I indicated continues perform very strongly, we’re very pleased with the overall performance of the portfolio. We have experienced last year some creeping increase in the participation and penetration rates, because people just seem to like the program and the certainty of payments and they like to pay off their jewelry purchases quickly which is what we always say is the benefit of program. So, I’d expect that this year when you think about it, that we will probably see some slow further increase in the penetration rate, nothing dramatic but slow increase driven by our focus on bridal again. As you know credit supports the bridal program very, very strongly and as high as 70%, and maybe more higher, and it keeps getting up there. So, it’s very important part of supporting our bridal program. So, that will drive it forward. And I think that the overall performance of the portfolio will remain stable, which I would describe as good to excellent. I mean it might get some creeping increase in the bad debt as a percentage of sales, again due to growth in the overall portfolio. Last year on an annual basis, the growth in the portfolio should be you know I would guess somewhat similar, maybe a touch little bit similar as the way to model is what I would choose to do. And if the business gets stronger and might go up a little bit which would be a good thing, and with the business it is relatively consistent with last year, it would be about same growth rate. I think that’s how you should think about it, but the performance of portfolio is very, very strong.

Ike Boruchow - Sterne Agee

Analyst

Okay, great. And then Ron, also when you talked about kind of putting together the new capital structure of the company. You mentioned certain things you are trying to optimize and one of things I think you mentioned was the tax rate. I am just kind of curious when you think about your tax rate say 35%, some of the things and leverage that you are pulling right now, where do you think that could ultimately go directionally?

Ron Ristau

Management

I think it would be, we don’t target tax rates, so I don’t know. We try to put in place very effective programs. And as we develop our programs and complete the acquisition of Zale and put in place our new financial structure, which we do expect to be efficient from both a financing and tax perspective, we will be happy to provide more information about that. But I think any speculation would be premature at this point. And I think that’s where we leave it for now, we hope it will get better, but we will not be able to target exactly how much. Everything we are doing relative to the financing we believe should create substantial value for shareholders and owners of the company. So we have that in mind as we do all this and we will put in place a very excellent package, I can assure you. I am sorry, can’t be more specific. I don’t think it’s, I just don’t think it’s so wise to do so.

Ike Boruchow - Sterne Agee

Analyst

Okay. Thanks so much. And I am also happy, we are all here.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Wu from Telsey Advisory Group. Please go ahead.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Thanks. Hi, good morning everyone and congrats on the very solid quarter. My first question; can you comment on what you’re seeing in the promotional landscape and your expectations for this year and if you have pulled back on some of your promotional strategies since the holiday season?

Mike Barnes

Management

We’re continuing with I would say fairly consistent promotions as we do year-over-year. I haven’t seen anything remarkably different in the landscape out there. Things seem to be pretty much status quo. We continue to, as we always do, test a few new promotions here and there and see how they work out. But I wouldn’t expect anything dramatically different this year promotionally than what we saw last year at least not in the environment that I am seeing out there today.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Got it. So we shouldn’t see any incremental promotions relative to last year, it should be about the same?

Mike Barnes

Management

I think it’s going to be relatively similar to last year at this point.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Excellent. And how did the gross merchandise margin perform in both the U.S., as well as the UK in the quarter?

Ron Ristau

Management

The gross merchandise margin, we addressed, I believe we’ve addressed overall the merchandise margin at the margin level not the gross merchandise margin level which will turn it back away from for a lot of different reasons. So the main driver of what happens at the margin level is the gross merchandise margin so that’s how I think you should think about that.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Got it, but directionally it improved or it was contracted in the quarter?

Ron Ristau

Management

No, no I am sorry, in our comments, in my prepared comments I’ve said in the fourth quarter of the year the gross margin in the United States declined by approximately 70 basis points and the gross margin in the UK improved by 70 basis points. I would tell you that the primary driver of that is gross merchandise margin without being specific.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Got it, great and can you provide any details on perhaps some of the new exclusive product launches that you are currently testing?

Mike Barnes

Management

Yes. This is that time of the year, David when we’re doing test and we don’t really get into a lot of detail because we want to see how they work out. And at the appropriate time in the year we’ll talk about what it is. But I’d like to get them into the stores before I announce that to my competitors out there what I’m working on.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Great. And if we continue to see healthy momentum in the UK, this has perhaps speed-up the timing of when you can’t reach a double-digit op margin there?

Mike Barnes

Management

We have not put an exact timing on that and we don’t think it prudent to that, but we do feel like we have turned the corner and that we’re making the steps in the right direction now. So we’ll see how it goes. Again, we had one really great quarter and kudos to the team there, I’m really proud of them, but we need to see a little bit more consistency. So we’ll watch it very closely this year and see how it goes. We’ve had a reasonably good start I believe in both the UK and in the U.S. as we move into the new fiscal year and we’ll see how it turns out, but we’re pretty excited about it.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Excellent. And then just lastly, how many stores are you planning to close in the U.S. and UK this year?

Ron Ristau

Management

In fiscal 2015?

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Correct.

Ron Ristau

Management

This year, okay. The numbers will be, it always moves around. I’m always reluctant to give a number because it’s highly dependent upon what kind of alternatives we get to when we get to the final negotiations with the landlords often. And last year, the numbers were inflated by Ultra, by 15 closures in Ultra and we did about 16 in the regional area. As we said, the regionals are right now are still under closure, we’ll see what happens when we get a chance to take a total look at our real estate portfolio with the inclusion of the Zale’s properties and so on. So there could be some change in direction there. I would tell you that thinking of 50ish stores is a reasonably safe number because there is always a culling that goes on relative to stores that in a normal course of business we just will not renew. For instance last year, we did not renew 22 Kay stores out of a 1,000.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Right.

Ron Ristau

Management

So, there is always some percentage that you’re going to say, this isn’t going to work any longer. And it’s healthy I believe to be culling out those bottom performing stores; I think that’s a sign of a very healthy retailer. So, I would give you a nice round number of 50ish…

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Okay.

Ron Ristau

Management

I was going to estimate.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

And this is total, including both the U.S. and the UK?

Ron Ristau

Management

You are asking for specific number now. I think 50ish is a reasonable number to use in planning and any number that’s different than that wouldn’t have a material impact on models one way or another I would guess.

David Wu - Telsey Advisory Group

Analyst

Excellent. Thank you very much.

Ron Ristau

Management

Thank you.

Mike Barnes

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our last question comes from Andrew Hughes from UBS. Please go ahead.

Andrew Hughes - UBS

Analyst

Yes, good afternoon. Nice to be coming from the UK and asking you question when the UK site performs better than the U.S. for once, not often that’s the case. I just had a follow-up question on the credit side, your slide 19 on net impact. I think you’re suggesting from the previous answer that you would expect that net impact to increase. I mean, would there be any conditions under which it actually might fall that net benefit in the current year?

Ron Ristau

Management

Nothing that I can pursue would tell me that it would be substantially under stress or that it would fall in anyway. I believe that the receivable portfolio will grow slowly and that the customers seem to continue to be shifting to the regular terms versus the interest-free terms that increases the other operating income. So I would expect to see some slight improvement in that as we go forward. And I think the bad debt is performing well. So I have nothing in my radar screen that tells me that there will be a -- that I’m concerned about in any way at this point in time. The only things that you ever have to worry about in something like this is a huge, the only time we ever had a problem with it over the last 10 years, 15 years has been the financial crisis of 2008, which was a huge (inaudible) event. I don’t know of anything like that on the horizon. And that’s the only thing that could change that. But that’s a very unusual circumstance; nothing that we foresee tells us that that’s going to happen. These numbers are relatively stable numbers.

Andrew Hughes - UBS

Analyst

All right. Where are we in terms percentage of regular credit versus the interest free credit? Where are we now…

Ron Ristau

Management

We don’t generally quote that number publicly for competitive reasons.

Andrew Hughes - UBS

Analyst

Or even relative to history?

Ron Ristau

Management

Well, it’s -- on a relative basis, I mean against the size of portfolio, it’s a relatively stable number. When it moves, it moves in basis points. And we see it and then we know it’s happening, but it’s not like it moves 500 basis points in a year; it moves 30 basis points, 40 basis points, something like that. So it is a small movement and accretion towards the regular terms, nothing dramatic.

Andrew Hughes - UBS

Analyst

All right. Okay. Thank you for that.

Ron Ristau

Management

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Barnes. Please go ahead.

Mike Barnes

Management

Thank you so much. And thank you all for taking part in the call. We really appreciate your interest and your support. Our next scheduled call is on Thursday May the 22nd. And that’s when we’ll review our first quarter results. I hope you all have a great day and I look forward to our next meeting. Thank you.

Ron Ristau

Management

Thank you all.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.