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Sangamo Therapeutics, Inc. (SGMO)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 9, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Sangamo BioSciences teleconference to discuss Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2015 financial results. This call is being recorded. I will now pass you over to the coordinator of this event, Dr. Elizabeth Wolffe, Vice President of Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

Elizabeth Wolffe

Management

Thank you, Karen. Good afternoon and thank you for joining Sangamo’s management team on our conference call to discuss the company’s fourth quarter and full year 2015 financial results. Also present during the call are several members of Sangamo’s senior management, including Edward Lanphier, President and Chief Executive Officer; Ward Wolff, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Geoff Nichol, Executive Vice President of Research and Development; and Dale Ando, Vice President of Development and Chief Medical Officer. Following this introduction, Edward will highlight recent activities and the significant events from the past quarter. Ward will then briefly review fourth quarter and full year results for 2015, as well as our financial guidance for 2016. Geoff will provide an update on our ZFP Therapeutic programs. And finally, Edward will update you on our goals for 2016 and beyond. Following that, we will open up the call for questions. As we begin, I’d like to remind everyone that the projections and forward-looking statements that we discuss during this conference call are based upon the information that we currently have available. This information will likely change over time. By discussing our current perception of the market and the future performance of Sangamo with you today, we are not undertaking an obligation to provide updates in the future. Actual results may differ substantially from what we discuss today, and no one should assume at a later date that our comments from today are still valid. We alert you to be aware of risks that are detailed in documents that the company files with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and our annual report on Form 10-K. These documents include important factors that could cause the actual results of the company’s operations to differ materially from those contained in our projections or forward-looking statements. Now, I’d like to turn the call over to Edward.

Edward Lanphier

Management

Thank you, Liz, and thank you all for joining us for our conference call to discuss our fourth quarter and full year results for 2015, as well as our near and mid-term plans for the development of our ZFP Therapeutic pipeline. The fourth quarter is always a busy time of the year for Sangamo and this year Q4 was particularly productive with the achievement of several important milestones. At the top of our list, we filed two new Investigational New Drug or IND applications in the fourth quarter, our Factor IX program for the treatment of hemophilia B and our first lysosomal storage disorder program for the treatment of MPS I or Hurler syndrome. Both programs employ our In Vivo Protein Replacement Platform or IVPRP strategy. In December, we announced that the FDA had cleared our IND for Factor IX, enabling us to move forward with the first in vivo genome editing study in humans. And last week, we announced that our MPS I program has also been cleared by the FDA to enter clinical trials. For those of you who are keeping score at home, these are the first two in vivo genome editing protocols cleared by the FDA and represent an enormous amount of hard work over a number of disciplines by virtually all of my colleagues here at Sangamo. I want to take this opportunity to congratulate and thank each and every one of them for their skill, persistence and dedication. In addition to the FDA review, both programs had gone through a public review by the NIH Recombinant DNA Advisory Committee or RAC, in which our scientists and our clinical collaborators presented preclinical data and our clinical plans for each of these programs. In both cases, our presentations resulted in RAC’s unanimous endorsement of our proposed…

Ward Wolff

Management

Thank you, Edward, and good afternoon, everyone. As you know, after the close of the market today, we released our financial results for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2015, and I am pleased to review the highlights of those results with you now. Revenues in the fourth quarter of 2015 were $9.1 million, compared to $15 million for the same period in 2014. Fourth quarter 2015 revenues comprised revenue from Sangamo’s collaboration agreements with Biogen, Shire and Dow AgroSciences, enabling technology agreements including revenue from our agreement with Sigma-Aldrich, and approximately $200,000 of revenue from research grants. The decrease in collaboration agreement revenues was primarily due to a decrease in revenues after the amendment of our collaboration and licensing agreement with Shire in the third quarter of 2015, which returned our rights to the hemophilia programs to Sangamo. In the fourth quarter of 2015, Sangamo recognized $1.9 million of revenues related to research services performed under the collaboration agreement with Biogen as well as $1.9 million of revenues related to research services performed under the collaboration agreement with Shire. In addition, pursuant to the agreements entered into with Shire in January 2012 and Biogen in January 2014, Sangamo received upfront payments of $13 million and $20 million, respectively. These payments are being recognized as revenue on a straight-line amortization basis over the initial six-year research term for Shire and approximately 40 months for Biogen. The company recognized $500,000 of the Shire upfront payment and $1.6 million of the Biogen upfront payment as revenue for the fourth quarter of 2015. Total operating expenses for the fourth quarter of 2015 were $24.8 million, compared to $19.4 million for the same period in 2014. Research and development expenses were $19.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2015, compared to $15.1 million for…

Edward Lanphier

Management

Thank you, Ward. As you have heard, we ended 2015 with approximately $210 million and we are guiding to ending 2016 with at least $150 million in cash. As Ward mentioned, with our plans to advance our ZFP Therapeutic pipeline, including filing an additional six IND applications and bringing several new programs into the clinic, we expect our operating expenses to increase this year. However, with our ongoing funding and future milestones from our collaborations with Biogen, our current balance sheet provides a solid runway for us to accomplish all of our 2016 goals. So, let’s move on to a more specific discussion of our ZFP Therapeutic program and our clinical plans. Geoff?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

Thanks, Edward, and good afternoon. As Edward mentioned, we’re very excited to be initiating Phase 1/2 clinical trials in two applications of our IVPRP strategy, hemophilia B and MPS I. Before I go into detail on the trials, let me give you some background on our disease focus areas, briefly summarize our approach and then highlight what we believe are the advantages of our approach over the existing standard of care and other gene-based therapies in development. Many of you are familiar with hemophilia. Hemophilia B is caused by mutation in the Factor IX gene, which results in a deficiency of Factor IX clotting factor protein. It’s an X-linked disease which means that it primarily affects males. According to the National Hemophilia Foundation and the World Federation of Hemophilia, hemophilia B occurs in about one in every 25,000 male births and there are about 4,000 patients in the US. Worldwide the precise numbers of patients with hemophilia B are not well known, but estimated at more than 80,000 people. Lack of clotting factor has obvious consequences if a patient is injured. However, in severe cases, which represent about 60% of the affected population, individuals have less than 1% of normal clotting factor activity and experience spontaneous bleeding into their joints or muscles, which can lead to significant damage to these tissues overtime. The current treatment which is managed by most patients and their families in the home requires self infusion of recombinant clotting factor two to three times a week. You may, however, be less familiar with MPS I, which is a lysosomal storage disorder or LSD. The disorder is caused by mutations in the gene, including the alpha-L-iduronidase enzyme or IDUA and results in a deficiency of the enzyme in tissues. IDUA is normally present in the cell in…

Edward Lanphier

Management

Thanks, Geoff. As you have heard from Geoff’s remarks and as you have observed from all of the academic and investor interest in genome editing, this is a defining period for Sangamo. I believe that when we collectively look back on Sangamo’s history, the next 12 to 24 months will prove to be the moment when we established the foundation for a new way for medicine to be practiced in hundreds of diseases. Sangamo is leading and will continue to lead this paradigm shifting scientific and medical revolution. And not unimportantly, I also believe that this period will be viewed as one of the most durably value-creating moments in our history. With the clearance of the first two in vivo genome editing INDs and another four more to come this year, we have demonstrated that we have the internal core competencies necessary to move ground-breaking genome editing programs through IND-enabling studies and into the clinic. We have retained or regained ownership of numerous proprietary programs which offer a clear path to significant near-term growth and future forward integration. We also retain the ownership of several important fields in which we can leverage our ZFP technology platform into meaningful corporate partnerships. So our immediate goals for 2016 are to initiate clinical trials for our Factor IX and MPS I programs and to file an additional six INDs for both our proprietary IVPRP programs and our Biogen-partnered programs. For Biogen program in hemoglobinopathy, we will file the IND application for our beta-thalassemia program in the first half of 2016. While this program is partnered with Biogen, Sangamo is responsible for carrying out this first in man Phase 1/2 clinical trial. As I previously noted, Biogen will take the lead in the prosecution of the sickle cell disease IND which we expect to…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Charles Duncan from Piper Jaffray.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

Congratulations on the recent success with RAC and IND filings. So quick question and I apologize if this was addressed on the call during the prepared remarks, I’m going back and forth between calls, but regarding the Factor IX hemophilia program, could you share with us, if you will, the trial design and when we might see some of the early activity-based data out of that study?

Edward Lanphier

Management

Yes, Charles, I think we did discuss the trial design on the call and also on the slides that I presented at J.P. Morgan. I think there is a good summary of the study. But if you would like, Geoff or Dale can go through that. In terms of guidance on data, I think we’ll have more to say about that on the next call or in the second half of the year, we need to get the trial up and running before we can really comment on timing for data.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

So I don’t need to go through the design really, so [indiscernible] about enrollment and then you will give us an update on that and data maybe later on this year.

Edward Lanphier

Management

Yes, I think that’s probably the most prudent thing to do.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

And then if we could move over to the 728 program, I see that you’re going to have a presentation at the upcoming CROI conference, looking forward to that. But I’m wondering at this point if you have any additional color on development plans for this 728 program, at least with regard to your plans with it?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

Our plans are to complete the Cohort 3 Prime study. We’ll have data out of that in the second half of the year. And based upon those data, our plans are to partner for pivotal studies and commercialization. Separate from that, there are ongoing studies in the T-cell area with collaborators at the University of Pennsylvania and we also have our stem cell program ongoing at City of Hope. But we expect to have data out of the Cohort 3 Prime study by the end of the year or in the second half of the year and our plans are to partner that program for pivotal studies and commercialization.

Charles Duncan

Analyst

My last question is regarding one of the recent promotions, I’m curious – don’t know if this bears any or need to be discussed. But you said that Dr. Stringfellow established an effective cross-functional team-based culture at Sangamo, enabling the IND submissions. You folks have been quite active there and expect some more soon. I’m wondering if you can provide any color on how that team is different than what it was – or that practice is different, if at all, than in the past.

Edward Lanphier

Management

I think I’d have to go back to when Geoff Nichol joined us four and a half years ago, what’s the number?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

Just four and a half, five, yes.

Edward Lanphier

Management

Geoff spent eight, nine years at Medarex, ran all of those programs there in both R&D side and before that Geoff was in several large pharmas in terms of development, on the development side, and has brought a culture to the organization that really has, I guess the word I would use is industrialize the process. There is [no way in hell] we could move eight INDs in 14 months through a small company without that kind of structure and team-oriented kind of approach. And so I’d say its tone at the top and Geoff is at the top of that organization and has done a fantastic job. And Nathalie is an example of that on the project management side. Stewart Craig is an example of that on the technical operations and GMP manufacturing side. Mike Holmes is an example of that on the research side. So it’s a very, very strong team and I don’t often get a chance to talk about it on calls like this, and so I appreciate the question.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Liana Moussatos from Wedbush.

Liana Moussatos

Analyst

My question has been answered. Thank you.

Edward Lanphier

Management

I know I should do a better job of managing this process, sorry.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Whitney Ijem from J.P. Morgan.

Whitney Ijem

Analyst

I guess the first question, can you just talk about the blocking and tackling that needs to happen once you have IND approval to getting the trials up and running? For some reason, it seems longer to me than – I feel like I’m used to seeing from the December 1 Factor IX IND approval to getting the trial up and running. So is that just a function of the complexity of your approach or centers or what are the rate-limiting steps?

Edward Lanphier

Management

Whitney, I’ll ask Geoff and Dale if you want to comment on that. I have to say that my impatience can’t be any greater than yours and I’m convinced no pun intended in my bone marrow that we’re doing everything that we can and should be doing to move these forward quickly, number one. Number two, at least in my experience and I am getting fairly long in the tooth here, we’re not terribly different in terms of initiation of novel studies than more gene therapy and cell therapy studies. But Geoff, do you want to tick off the laundry list of activities that we’re working our way through?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

Yes, there’s a lot of things to do. And typically, when we look at clinical development, we draw a distinction between programs, Phase 1 programs that typically can be enacted at private clinical sites with central institutional review boards and so on. Those can often get set up relatively quickly. It’s a little slower at the typical academic institution that we need to use for these very specialized programs. Typically, these sites don’t want to be investing their cash resources in activities until you actually have an IND and then once you’ve got an IND, they don’t want to be talking contracts and budgets and so on until the IRB and often several other scientific committees at those sites have reviewed the protocol and often had one or two go-arounds in terms of finalizing the agreed protocol at that site. And then you get into just the contractual budget activities as well as just the set up activities for the site. So certainly when we talk with our collaborators and talk with other experienced folks and look into our own experience, most people come up with a number of round about six months from IND to starting to enroll patients at Phase 1 studies at academic site. So that gives you probably as much color as I regularly give to Edward. He repeatedly asks exactly the same questions.

Edward Lanphier

Management

It takes me a long time to – for him to sink in with me, but I’m convinced we’re doing everything we can to move this forward quickly. I appreciate respect and probably embody the same impatience as everyone out there.

Whitney Ijem

Analyst

Just last question on the starting dose in the Factor IX trial, I think in the RAC you mentioned you’re going about half a log lower than you tested in animal studies. So I guess based on that, do you expect to see any efficacy at the initial dose you’re testing or is there any color you can give as to what level of dose or how many step-ups you might need to take before you expect to start seeing efficacy?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

I think as I said before, the starting dose is purely a safety dose and we are not expecting to see evidence of therapeutic activity at the starting dose. We will look for it, but I want to be very clear we’re not expecting it. The second dose is consistent with the very lowest doses where we did see the very lowest amount of activity and our third dose is where we would expect to see an optimal efficacy outcome. So starting dose is purely a safety dose.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Gena Wang from Jefferies.

Gena Wang

Analyst

So my first question is for the MPS program clinical trial design, kind of to follow the previous question. Starting dose is also actually the same as hemo B program, just wondering if there are any mouse data to support this dose? For example, what is the IDUA protein level or activity seen in the MPS mouse model at this dose level? And what’s the therapeutic window in the mouse model? And was there any reduction in GAG at this dose?

Edward Lanphier

Management

So we did present quite a bit of the mouse dose escalation data, I think we did at the last year’s WORLDSymposium and then again at ASGCT. But it’s a good opportunity, Gena, for me to say stay tuned, only gosh, now a couple of more weeks, the WORLDSymposium, the big LSD meeting is coming up and we have two presentations there, one by Sangamo scientists, second by our collaborators at the University of Minnesota. And I think I’ll just flag that those are new data, important data that I think will be very informative relative to our strategy in both the MPS I and MPS II space. Geoff, anything you want to add relative to the...

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

In terms of the clinical dosing, we obviously, as Edward said, we have extensive mouse data and that actually runs very, very close to what we saw in mice with the Factor IX program, which is hardly surprising given that we’re actually using essentially the same platform. And so we have used that data along with the scaling that occurs and the differences that you can sometime see in the way that the AAV vector in terms of its PK/PD relationship in mice and non-human primates to propose the clinical dose. And that’s what leads to pretty much the same starting clinical dose in the MPS I program as with Factor IX.

Gena Wang

Analyst

And I have one follow-up question on the MPS I program, what will be percentage of eligible MPS patient, i.e., patients that will have a neutralizing antibody to AAV 26 [indiscernible]?

Edward Lanphier

Management

I’m looking at Geoff and Dale. I’d say at this point we’re going to have to do the screens to know that. I can keep talking about pre-existing antibodies across AAV. I’ll I was pleasantly surprised by the observation that UniCare had relative to AAV 5 in terms of the lack of neutralizing antibody released from a screening perspective in their Factor IX study. But unless you guys know something, I don’t know about patients already in MPS I already screened for AAV 6 antibodies. I think we’re just going to have to do the screening to determine that.

Gena Wang

Analyst

So my last question will be, Edward, you I think mentioned a little bit before, but just wanted to ask again, for 2016 there will be like so many clinical trials ongoing for IVPRP programs and also Biogen partnered programs. I understand that each enrollment will take some time, but just wondering which program will be the first we will see some data and when should we expect to see the initial data update?

Edward Lanphier

Management

I’m going to say that it’s likely to be in relatively the same order in which we opened the studies that the data would come out. But again, Gena, if you’d give me a pass for a couple for months or until we have a little more data in terms of patient accrual times and dose escalation and so on. But I think in general terms, you should expect that the data will come out in relatively the same order as we open the studies.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ritu Baral from Cowen and Company.

Ritu Baral

Analyst

I only have one question, but I realize as I’m mapping it out it has four different parts. So you have to forgive me here in advance. You guys have talked about the optimal dose and how you expect the dose to be the optimal doses for both trials. What will define that optimal dose? What level of factor expression or I guess rescue factor use are you looking for in your hemophilia study? And what thresholds for either plasma enzyme level or plasma GAG and CSS GAG do you think you’re targeting with that dose?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

I think it’s a little easier for Factor IX. As you know, you really start to get significant therapeutic advantages in more severe patients once you can get into the three plus or minus percent range. So that certainly establishes a bar that we will want to get across as we go forward. As you know, in the non-human primates, we got well north of that and we believe based on other AAV studies, the non-human primates are probably a good bellwether for what is likely to happen in people. That’s with a standard CDNA approach. Obviously ours is a little different. So again, I think let’s wait for the data and give you the update as we move forward.

Ritu Baral

Analyst

Do you see any benefit trying to target 5% or even 10% as has been suggested by [indiscernible]?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

Within reason, more is better, right. So we will target the highest level that we think we can achieve and we will certainly not 100% tie to the doses that we’re using in the initial Phase 1 study, obviously once we learn more we can start looking at the dosing to refine things. That’s the way clinical development works. But yes, once you get higher then you can start to treat a wider range of subjects. So no question that higher is better, everyone acknowledges that, but just to say that the initial hurdle to really start to get the bang for the buck is around about that 3% range.

Edward Lanphier

Management

Ritu, I think Geoff is being modest here. We’ve presented data on the Factor IX work in non-human primates and I used a slide during my J.P. Morgan talk where I looked at a low, medium and high dose that correlate with the kind of dose escalation that we’re looking at. And in the high dose, we were in the 15% to 20% range. So I’m not guiding to that, I don’t think anybody sitting here starting is going to guide to a given number. We’ll look and see what we achieve based upon the dose escalation and obviously if it’s safe and well tolerated, we’ll consider looking at higher doses. But I think what we’re aiming at is really to do this dose escalation, as Geoff said, wouldn’t be shocked if we see numbers that are fairly representative of what we saw in the non-human primate studies. And if we do, I think at least for me, I’ll be pretty pleased.

Ritu Baral

Analyst

And then moving to MPS?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

There, clearly, the great difference with the MPS is that we’re replacing an episodic dosing with quite high levels of the actual ERT which is very short-lived with a continuous production. And it’s going to be of great importance to see what amount of continuous production is going to make the difference. Certainly when we look at our calculations and we look at the amount that we anticipate based on the preclinical studies that ought to be having a very significant effect on the outcome of the disease. And in that respect, I think you should wait for some more data that we are likely to be presenting very shortly as Edward said.

Edward Lanphier

Management

That’s what I was going to say. Ritu, there is a lot of – we presented data on this constitutive expression of MPS I and MPS II and the uptake of the enzyme into various tissues and so, I think there is a lot more data now in the disease models that are going to be presented in a couple of weeks. And we’ll have an opportunity after those data are presented I think to expand a lot more on why we think this approach of continuous expression at high levels has really distinctive advantages over the episodic delivery of ERTs.

Ritu Baral

Analyst

And then just a quick flip side to that question which is safety and obviously it’s going to be the focus on the study. What markers are you looking at most keenly for safety? Obviously with traditional gene therapies you look at liver enzyme elevation, but I don’t think we should be looking at it the same way, so what should we be looking at?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

Actually I think we should be looking at LFTs. We anticipate based on everything that we’ve seen in our development program where really we did not see any much, if at all, anything in the way of toxic findings in the species that we looked at. Our major expectation, if you like, is that we may see the same things that the CDNA folks have seen, which is short-lived LFT elevations which can be treated by corticosteroids. So we’ll be monitoring that very, very closely simply to see when that occurs we’ll be able to use the standard treatment with corticosteroids.

Ritu Baral

Analyst

But if you did have elevation, it wouldn’t necessarily negate expression as the same way the traditional gene therapies, am I thinking about that right?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

I think if you look at what actually happens with – what’s happened in the past, what we believe is that CD8 cells are actually taking out the cells that are expressing probably proteins processed from the capsid of adeno-associated virus. And that’s going to be the same thing happening with us. So we’re seeing it in very similar terms.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jim Birchenough from Wells Fargo.

Yanan Zhu

Analyst

This is actually Yanan Zhu in for Jim. So just want to dig a little deeper on the hemophilia B study. As you said, this is the very first study that studies in vivo gene editing. So along that line, I think, could you give us some idea of some of the things that the study monitoring committee will be watching for during the one to two months of waiting period after one patient has been treated and before the next can be started treatment?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

There is actually no sort of magic or anything else to that. It just simply takes time to pull the data together, get it into a database, get it to the committee and have that discussion. That’s why we have budgeted the two months and it will be standard labs and clinical observations that will be being collected and considered there. There is nothing terribly here than other standard gene therapy trials.

Yanan Zhu

Analyst

Also can you tell us a little more about the AAV6 vector or capsid that will be used for delivery? I think we know more about AAV5 and AAV8, those have been used in hemophilia B gene therapies. For AAV6, we’re little less familiar, could you tell us – we know that you would have light, I suppose, AAV6 and AAV5, but perhaps a little rationale on why you chose AAV6? And also in terms of manufacturing, could you tell us where are you at?

Edward Lanphier

Management

We’ve done, I’m going to say, extensive work in AAV serotype evaluation probably half a dozen of the major serotypes and then have licensed exclusively AAV6 and non-exclusively AAV5. In our hands, in mice, there are differences that we see between AAV8, AAV9, AAV6, AAV5. Those begin to wash away a fair amount as you move into non-human primates. But in terms, in our hands, in non-human primates, in terms of inspection efficiencies and then ultimately for us protein expression and secretion, AAV6 is slightly more efficient in our hands than AAV5 or AAV8. In terms of manufacturing, we are obviously at full GMP scale, given the fact that the INDs are open and we are running lot after lot after lot after lot of all of these albumin based nucleases as well as the specific donors, again, in GMP. Hopefully, that’s responsive.

Yanan Zhu

Analyst

So far AAV6, is that in-house or contracted, the manufacturing?

Edward Lanphier

Management

The GMP manufacturing is contracted out at this point, although I think in our upcoming K we’ll talk a little bit more about our new lease on a 41,000 square foot facility that we have taken down and we have available for our own GMP manufacturing.

Yanan Zhu

Analyst

Have you talked about what is the manufacturing cell system that you’re using?

Edward Lanphier

Management

I think that was discussed at the RAC, wasn’t it, that we’re using baculo approaches.

Yanan Zhu

Analyst

And another question is on the mirror side of some of the questions being asked earlier about dosing because you have mentioned albumin promoter is very powerful. Is there any reason for concern of over-shooting the target? I guess that depend on whether the re-expressed missing enzyme is toxic at a high level. So what’s your thought along those lines?

Edward Lanphier

Management

I’d say certainly not that we have seen or that we are aware of. Dale or Geoff, do you want to comment?

Geoffrey Nichol

Management

In terms of potential toxicity, there’s really two, could there be any toxicity of the protein being processed within the cytoplasm and then exclude it out and exteriorized into the circulation and certainly our animal studies suggest that isn’t the case. And then once it’s in the circulation, will the protein be immunogenic in some way and we anticipate producing the normal human protein from a human parasite. So we again don’t anticipate that there will be any immunogenicity related to those reagents and those things are certainly being tested pretty much to destruction in the ERT and replacement factor settings.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Roy Buchanan from Janney Montgomery Scott.

Roy Buchanan

Analyst

I’ll be super-quick. Couple of quick ones. The WORLDSymposium, is that going to have detailed non-human primate data? And then are we going to get an update on cohorts 3* at CROI?

Edward Lanphier

Management

I’d say the answers to both, Roy, are stay tuned. I would say that the world data is important disease model data and since I’m not aware of any non-human primate disease models in MPS I or MPS II, I’d say it’s probably mouse data. But I’d say stay tuned for that. And in terms of CROI, I think Liz or somebody said, somebody said in this thing, it’s primarily an update on the immunological side of things, but we do expect to update on Cohort 3 data in the second half of the year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our question-and-answer session for today. I’d like to turn the conference back to management for any additional comments.

Edward Lanphier

Management

Great, thank you. We’d like to thank you for joining us. We look forward to speaking with you again when we release our first quarter 2016 financial information. We’ll be available later today if you have any follow-up questions. Thank you.