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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Tempur Sealy Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. I would now like to turn the call over to Barry Hytinen, CFO. Please go ahead.

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning everyone and thank you for participating in today's call. Joining me in our Lexington headquarters is Scott Thompson, Chairman, President and CEO. After prepared remarks, we will open the call for Q&A. Forward-looking statements that we make during this call are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that forward-looking statements, including the company's expectations regarding sales, earnings, net income, and adjusted EBITDA, and anticipated performance for 2017 and subsequent periods, involve uncertainties. Actual results may differ due to a variety of factors that could adversely affect the company's business. The factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those identified include economic, regulatory, competitive, operating, and other factors discussed in the press release issued today. These factors are also discussed in the company's SEC filings including, but not limited to annual reports on Form 10-K and the company's quarterly reports on 10-Q under the headings Special Note Regarding Forward-Looking Statements and/or Risk Factors, as well as the company's press releases. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made. The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. This morning's commentary will include non-GAAP financial measures. The press release contains reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, except as otherwise discussed in the press release as well as information regarding the methodology for constant currency presentation. We have posted the press release on the company's website at tempursealy.com and have also filed it with the SEC. Our comments will supplement the detailed information provided in the press release. And now, with that introduction, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Scott.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us on this call. Today, I'd like to take you through the highlights of our record financial performance, update you on our recent new product launches and provide you with some thoughts regarding operations subsequent to the contract termination of our largest customer in North America. Then Barry will take you through the details of our financial statements and our 2017 guidance. First, our financial performance. For the fourth quarter, adjusted EBITDA increased 4% and adjusted EPS increased a robust 19%. It was our seventh consecutive quarter of double-digit adjusted EPS growth over the same period last year. We are pleased with these results, especially considering the North America market was distracted by very noisy presidential election and our largest customer was rebranding a thousand of its stores. For the full-year, adjusted EBITDA increased 14%; adjusted EPS increased 27%; and adjusted operating margin expanded 170 basis points. Our robust earnings growth and margin expansion in the fourth quarter and full year were driven by continued progress in improving our operations. Key drivers included improving Sealy manufacturing, reducing our overhead and price actions taken in early 2016. While I'm pleased with our progress over the past year, there is more room to improve and the team will continue to work towards driving improvement quarter-after-quarter. As we've discussed previously, the entire organization remains focused on a few key initiatives that are designed to drive earnings growth over the long-term. Let me take a minute and reiterate these initiatives. First, develop the best most innovative bedding products in all the markets we serve worldwide. Second, invest significant marketing dollars to promote our brands. Third, expand North American margins, while maintaining market share. We'll talk more about that in a moment. Fourth, grow our market share…

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Scott. First, let me take you through our fourth quarter performance. Worldwide net sales for the fourth quarter was $769.5 million, consistent with the fourth quarter last year, and on a constant currency basis, up 1.7%. Adjusted gross margin improved 60 basis points to 41.7%, and adjusted operating margin was 14.6% of net sales. Consolidated unadjusted EBITDA was $130 million in the fourth quarter, up $15 million or 13% from last year. This included approximately $8 million of restructuring costs in the fourth quarter. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $138 million, up $5 million or 4%. We incurred incremental product launch costs of $13 million during the fourth quarter. Excluding these costs, adjusted EBITDA would have increased $18 million or 14%. In addition, both adjusted and unadjusted EBITDA includes about $3 million of one-time asset write-downs and there were no unusual gains in the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA growth was primarily driven by operational improvements which were offset by those launch costs. Foreign exchange rate impact was about $2 million of headwind, and we had about a $3 million benefit from lower commodity costs. GAAP earnings per share for the quarter was $1.12, up from a loss in the same period last year. Adjusted earnings per share for the quarter was $1.18, up a robust 19% from the same period last year. Operating cash flow in the fourth quarter was $56 million versus $101 million in the fourth quarter last year, due to the timing of payments. On a segment basis, North America net sales increased 1.9% in the fourth quarter. Sales in Canada were up 8% on a constant currency basis. Excluding Mattress Firm, North American net sales increased over 7% and our sales to Mattress Firm declined 11.4%. North America bedding product sales increased 2.6%, driven by price…

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Barry, and great job. In conclusion, Tempur Sealy, its employees, and its brands are strong and positioned well with market-leading products, strong retail partners, and world-class operations. Operations have had an outstanding fourth quarter and full-year in 2016. We set records in manufacturing against key operating metrics. Our product quality and on-time delivery has never been better. Manufacturing efficiency improved and we feel very good about our ability to provide our customers with outstanding products and services. I'm pleased with our progress both in Sealy and TEMPUR operations, but there's still work to do. Just as we've aggressively tackled issues in manufacturing side, the leadership team is squarely focused on revenue and profitable opportunities ahead of us. There are numerous opportunities and we believe we can realize them with great execution. A few key areas of opportunities include, working with our existing retail partners to recapture TEMPUR, Sealy, and Stearns & Foster business in North America, successfully launching our new products and marketing campaigns around the world, continuing to drive improvement in the Sealy operations, aggressively expanding distribution in channels where we're currently underrepresented. Everyone on the team knows there's lots of work to do to achieve our goals. We must find problems, communicate problems and jointly fix problems, all as quickly as possible. Now, I'd like to open up the call for questions. As it relates to Mattress Firm or Steinhoff International Holdings, our comments will be limited to our prepared remarks given the competitiveness and public disclosure sensitivity. Operator, please open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Budd Bugatch with Raymond James. Your line is now open. Beryl Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Good morning, Scott. Good morning, Barry.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Hey, Budd. Beryl Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Thank you. Thank you for taking my questions. I guess the question I have is I know that you've got a wide guidance for adjusted EBITDA and we've got some color on currency and headwinds of raw materials. But I wondered, if you could give us from your standpoint, your modeling assumptions maybe disclose some of the other endpoints that might be important? You talk about advertising going up, but I don't know that we have the full-year advertising number and so I would like to know, some of those endpoints that you could possibly share with us?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

I'm sure you'd probably like the entire model. But let me help you with some of that. First off, I think the guidance... Beryl Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: No, no, I don't want the entire model (31:00), just a few of them.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

I think the guidance range was the same as last year, so I guess we didn't perceive it as being extremely wide. We're not going to give absolute dollar numbers on advertising obviously for competitive reasons, but I think we've been clear in the prepared remarks that we expect advertising to be up from a dollar standpoint and of course as a percentage of revenue. I mean, I guess, I can give you a little bit of color as we see the world in 2017 on a macro basis. Look, we see the underlying demand in the bedding business looking like 2017 looks better for the bedding market in 2016 in the U.S. and around the world. And we think that we've got some really compelling products both internationally, the new Tempur launch, which I mentioned in the prepared remarks we're looking for double-digit growth from our European subsidiary. Asia continues to be very strong as it has been for a number of years. And in North America, I think the Sealy launch, as you probably know we're expecting great things from the Sealy Masterbrand launch. Barry, can you help Budd with any of his other – kind of help him with his model?

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Budd, I'd tell you that the operational improvements that we've been driving will continue. The Sealy assembly facilities are continuing to improve. The TEMPUR facilities are also continuing to have great productivity. Obviously, we'll have some volume hits with respect to deleverage that we mentioned in the prepared remarks and our channel mix has been favorable and likely will continue to be.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Keith Hughes with SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Keith Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Thank you. I guess, you had talked in the release on the adjusted EBITDA range about the cost of the Mattress Firm exit not being included. Obviously you're going after increased retail distribution with your current customers. There are some costs associated with that. Will that be excluded as well from the EBITDA range that you put out this morning?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

No and I'd probably maybe a little bit clear. I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with you that we have additional costs in distribution, but all its costs whatever the cost are expanding in distribution are included in the guidance.

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

So, what you were referring to there, Keith was – what I was referring to was some non-cash write-offs related to intangibles and prepaid. So that would be what was excluded. Go ahead, operator. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Lasser with UBS. Your line is now open.

Michael Louis Lasser - UBS Securities LLC

Analyst · UBS. Your line is now open.

Thanks a lot for taking my question and good morning. Can you tell us what recapture rate you've assumed within your guidance for this year? And then the second part of my question is, how do you think about the economic relationship with your retail partners outside of Mattress Firm changing? I mean especially to try and replace the marketing support (34:22) that you were getting?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Maybe, I'll start with that. I don't see our relationship with our other retailers changing. Our investment is in product and in advertising. And so I don't see any significant changes with retail partners going forward. As it relates to the recapture rate, that's something we're probably not going to give you today. I think you have to realize this is a fluid situation. We terminated our largest customer three weeks ago. I think we need to work through that in the marketplace. They need to work through whatever inventory they've got in the marketplace. And I think you're going to have to give us a couple of quarters before we're going to be able to report back to you from a recapture standpoint. I think I'd make a couple of points is that on the prepared remarks, we told you we're taking the cost structure down partially and so, that should give you some indication of our bullishness on the recapture rate. But actual percentages today, we're not in a position that we want to disclose those.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Peter Keith with Piper Jaffray. Your line is now open. Jon N. Berg - Piper Jaffray & Co.: Great, thanks a lot. This is Jon on for Peter. My question is just round the pace by quarter of kind of sales and EBITDA growth. Which quarter do you expect to be most challenged and which quarters do you think are going to be strongest? Is it simply Q2 is going to be the toughest and Q4 will be the strongest or how should we think about that?

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Sure, Jon. Good question. With the first quarter, we're obviously going through the transition, as Scott mentioned, where we signed that wind down agreement. So you are correct that I think the second quarter from a year-over-year basis would be the most challenged because that's when we're going through and beginning the – well, we've already begun, but significantly increasing the level of advertising and other brand investments and likely the recapture grows over time. So I think the second quarter's probably your low and then it goes sequentially better from there.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Baugh with Stifel. Your line is now open. John Baugh - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. I guess kind of two separate questions and I'll lump into one. First, is there any color, as you looked at 2016, on what Mattress Firm on an EBIT basis was relative to the rest of your North American retail? And secondly, I think you talk about Europe internationally, but just curious, Scott, what's overall revenue and EBIT outlook might be for the international business in 2017? Thank you.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Hey, why don't you go and do the 2017 international?

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So, John, we have got tremendous amount of new products rolling out and the initial reception has been quite good. That's total relaunch of the TEMPUR portfolio there, including things like the EasyRefresh cover, simplifying the line and broadening it. We're seeing increased levels of distribution both in the terms of within store and some even new stores. I think you should expect the improvements to be growing through the year. As you know, our launches internationally tend to be over the entire year as the launch cycles market by market kind of go throughout the year. But the early launches such as in Continental Europe, at the Cologne Fair in Germany earlier this year, it's been very favorable. And I think you should expect improving rates on a constant currency throughout the year. And as we've said historically, we certainly see the international opportunity as being a double-digit growth performer as we get into and through these launches. Scott, do you want to take the former?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

No, of course, I'd rather you do it. Of course, I'll take it. No, look, clearly you won't be surprised that we're not going to talk about profitability by customer, one that's confidential information. And quite frankly, we generally wouldn't even talk about a customer from a revenue standpoint or anything else except for the Mattress Firm termination was so material that basically the SEC lawyers make us talk about it. Out of respect for the organization and the people who we've got a lot of respect for, we're just not going to go into any more detail than we absolutely have to from an SEC standpoint.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Karru Martinson with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Karru Martinson - Jefferies

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Good morning. When you guys look at the muted or distracted North American market here as we closed out 2016, I mean what are the drivers that you're seeing that give you the confidence on kind of the improved outlook for 2017?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

I mean I think not dissimilar than some other retailers. There's clearly a firmer base of business post election, what you want to call that the Trump effect. Maybe it's the wealth effect of the stock market. But when you go through the underlying fundamentals post election, it feels better. As you probably remember, it started feeling weak last year. I guess it was mid third quarter, Barry?

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Yes.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

And we appear to have gotten through whatever that choppiness was. I mean I wouldn't call it robust, but I would clearly say there's been a trend change. And that's why I called out the TEMPUR numbers for the first quarter, just because I thought it was a significant trend change from what we've been reporting lately. So look, it feels better is about all I can tell you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Seth Basham with Wedbush Securities. Your line is now open.

Seth M. Basham - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst · Wedbush Securities. Your line is now open.

Thanks a lot and good morning. My question is around sales growth assumptions in your forecast for 2017. Can you help frame that? And also help us understand which customers or which channels you expect to hit most to try to recapture some of those sales loss from Mattress Firm? For example, are you thinking about direct channel being bigger, Costco, warehouse clubs, et cetera?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Let me see if I can help you with some of that. I mean I think first of all, we expect the overall bedding market to be pretty good next year and we expect to get our share of that. As we called out in the prepared remarks, the direct channel has been doing well and we've had some learnings from the Internet standpoint and we've applied those learnings and we're sharing those learnings with our retailers. So, we expect that to be a contributor. As far as additional distribution, we look at that every quarter all the time and we'll continue to look at that. And where there's areas where we have holes, we'll work with retailers to fill those holes. Anything else from that standpoint Barry, you can think of?

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

I think that covers it well.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Curtis Nagle with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Curtis S. Nagle - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks very much for taking my question. I guess not to beat a dead horse here, but maybe following up on the last question. If you could just give maybe a little more detail in terms of where you see the greatest opportunities between new and existing partners in the U.S. and maybe what you think the cadence of that will be? And then just as a secondary question, within your existing channels, do you expect to get more slots?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Look, I think the greatest opportunity, when you look at dollars is obviously going to be with our current customers. I mean, they represent 75% of the sales. And so, the near-term and greatest opportunity is going to be working with our retail partners to expand our balance this year in their stores. And I can tell you that they're eager, the phone incoming calls have been numerous, but you've got to get some inbound calls to actually selling more beds and so, we're working through that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Carla Casella with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Carla M. Casella - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Hi. Two broader industry questions, your thoughts on any trends or competition from the BedInABox concept and then any thoughts on border tax.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

I can touch a couple of those. I mean, BedInABox, I mean, look they're around. As you know, getting good data on them is difficult. This isn't a perception. I don't have hard data. My perception is that they're around 5% of the market, that they are growing in aggregate but that growth rate has slowed significantly, would be my perception. And I don't think there's really much new from a BedInABox standpoint. We've had some learnings from them, and obviously we've applied some of those learnings. And as we mentioned in the prepared script, our online sales are growing at 100%. So we've learnt some things and we're working with our retailers to help them. But I can't really think of anything particularly noteworthy from a BedInABox standpoint. Border tax, not really – I don't see it as being a big impact to us one way or another. We're basically manufacturing in the U.S. And so, from our standpoint, I guess we don't have a dog in that race.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jessica Mace with Instinet. Your line is now open.

Jessica Schoen Mace - Instinet LLC

Analyst · Instinet. Your line is now open.

Hi. Good morning.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Hi, Jessica.

Jessica Schoen Mace - Instinet LLC

Analyst · Instinet. Your line is now open.

My question is a follow up on the quarterly cadence. You mentioned that you had more product introductions this year than ever before and I was wondering if you could talk a little about potential floor model impact or what some of those costs might be as we go throughout the year compared to previous years. Thanks.

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Jessica, thanks for the question. It's a little counterintuitive, but while the launch is by far the largest in history in terms of both breadth and scope, the actual launch expenses this year year-on-year will probably be down some. Because if you think about it, last year, we were launching all of the Breeze products, which are very high-priced products and, as a result, have a large dollar discount. We were also doing the same on the Sealy side, launching the high-end Stearns collection, which similarly had relatively large discounts and similar point-of-sale collateral, et cetera, along with other POP. So, in aggregate, you probably expect our launch cost to be a little bit down year-on-year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brad Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Sameet Desai - KeyBanc Capital Markets, Inc.

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hi. This is Sameet on for Brad. Thanks for taking my question. Got a question here on brand loyalty. With all the changes unfolding here, I'm sure you've put a lot of thought and analytics behind your brand strength and ability to recapture. Can you share any of that data on brand perception of Tempur-Pedic and other portfolio of brands, as well as how strong they are in terms of driving traffic and loyalty? And, how important those factors maybe versus being the closest mattress retailer to a potential customer? Thank you.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Sure. I mean 91% of Tempur-Pedic owners are likely to recommend a Tempur-Pedic. Tempur-Pedic leads the category in the highest brand awareness at 96%, followed closely by Sealy at 94%. More than 40% of consumers would seriously consider a Tempur-Pedic. This is ahead of both Sleep Number and Beautyrest. Tempur-Pedic also leads the category and very likely to purchase at 95% and somewhat likely to purchase at 97%. More customers believe that Tempur-Pedic builds the finest mattress than any other brand. But I think it's more than just Tempur-Pedic, I mean Sealy is only second behind Tempur-Pedic and very likely to purchase at 94% and Sealy's primary brand consideration is just shy of double-digit of that compared to Simmons. So I think all of our analytics tell us that the brands are very strong and I think we will prove that in the future.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Laura Champine with Roe Equity Research. Your line is now open.

Laura Champine - Roe Equity Research

Analyst · Roe Equity Research. Your line is now open.

Good morning. So it was notable that that Tempur Sealy bought back $200 million worth of stock in Q4 at much higher prices. Does that imply that the loss of the Mattress Firm business was a total surprise? And how does that change your relationship with other retailers in the U.S. now that this has happened?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Yeah, we noticed we bought back a lot of stock in the fourth quarter, too. We noticed that we bought it at a higher price. I think the way you would read that is, during that period when those decisions were being made, we were very bullish on the 2017 outlook and is probably some evidence that the termination was a surprise. So I would probably say, yeah, probably wish I'd bought that at a little lower price but it'll all work out I'm sure. I'd also point out that we probably wouldn't have launched Stearns & Foster in the fourth quarter, on the Mattress Firm's floor which is a very expensive launch for us and we're not going to get any return on that. And we've also did all our incentive comp, normal incentive comp awards to the officers of the company in early January before Vegas. So I think if you looked at those things they were expensive and indications that, yes, it was a surprise. As it changes our relationship with other retailers, I don't think so. I mean we continue to implement our strategy as we've done over the long-term, which is to work very closely with retailers who are interested and support our products and we'll continue to aggressively support those customers. I mean, for instance, we have a dealer locator on our web page where we direct customers to particular customers. And once we moved Mattress Firm off the dealer locator, we have other retailers who are having quite a bit of increase in floor traffic and sales instantly and so we're going to continue to support retailers that support us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Ziets with Citi. Your line is now open.

Kevin L. Ziets - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst · Citi. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. It's related to your leverage targets. If I use the midpoint of your guidance, it seems as though leverage would move pretty deep into the 4 times or over the 4 times range. So given your commentary about willing to pay down debt in the near-term, I guess, how far do you want to see leverage come down before you flip the switch to share repurchases? And I guess would you use the basket beyond your 3.5 times leverage basket? Thank you.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Yeah. As you know, our target debt ratio is 3.5 turns. We've kind of ranged it from 3 to 4. I think your math – right now I don't have my math right in front of me. But we're going to be over 4 and in the prepared remarks, we clearly foreshadowed there'd be some debt paydown. Your question is okay, are there opportunities that might be so compelling that you would run over your range of 4 is the way I'm taking your question. I think the answer to that question is yes. I mean like always, you look at your investment opportunities and if your investment opportunities are so compelling, you might run over 4. So again, that's a range and a target. But I don't think fundamentally our target of 3.5, ranging at 3 to 4 has changed, unless we see unusual opportunities that we feel that we need to capture.

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

And I guess I'd just add, Kevin, that by our calculation once we publish the K, the basket would be sitting at about $400 million. And that's accessible to us between 3.5 and 4.5 times.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from William Reuter with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

William Michael Reuter - Bank of America

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Good morning. I guess I'm curious as you guys think about beyond 2017 whether you feel that there's going to be a period of disruption where customers are going to be looking for your products within Mattress Firm and they won't find them. And that I guess do you believe that 2017 will be a low point from an EBITDA perspective because some of those ex-other customers that should be gaining more share in 2018 would cause EBITDA to grow from there?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Well. It sounds like you're walking me into 2018 guidance early here in 2017. And I'm probably not going to do 2018 guidance with you but I think it's a fair question, is we're in recapture mode. 2017's going to be a little choppy, a little fluid. And so I mean there's all other kinds of things that hit 2018 from commodity prices to FX, to international operations. But as I sit here today, I think 2018's going to be a lot better than 2017 and I think that's kind of your question. So, assuming the U.S. economy is clicking along and all the other variables, they're going on in the world, I expect EBITDA to be growing and growing maybe significantly in 2018.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have a follow-up from Keith Hughes with SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Keith?

Keith Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc.

Analyst

Sorry about that. The management team has part of your compensation package by hitting an EBITDA target. Obviously, the world has changed. I guess my question is, do you anticipate or has there been any change to that in terms of elongation of the timeframe, a change in the numbers, any kind of details on that would be appreciated?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Well I can tell you that the management team in Lexington and worldwide are focused on driving operations, working through this transition and focused on driving shareholder value. And no one on my team is worried or looking at their personal compensation package. And I can tell you that no one in management has made any recommendations to the board in that area.

Operator

Operator

We have another follow-up question from Seth Basham with Wedbush Securities. Your line is now open.

Seth M. Basham - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks. Just in terms of advertising in 2017, understand that you've planned it up to some extent, but when you think about advertising for your brands across the market, would you expect those dollars to be up?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

If I understood the question, you're asking us if the dollars in advertising would be up by brand from last year.

Seth M. Basham - Wedbush Securities, Inc.

Analyst

For your brands across the market meaning, with co-op advertising and advertising by your retail partners?

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Oh, generally, when I talk about advertising – sorry, I didn't catch the difference – when I talked about advertising, I talked about our direct advertising, the amount that we're investing. And I don't really count co-op, although it is our dollars and we're investing, but it had some retailer discretion. And that's going to be variable based on revenues and recapture. And I didn't really thought about the advertising in that way. What I can assure you is our direct advertising was already planned to be up in 2017, and it will be up some more from a direct advertising standpoint.

Barry A. Hytinen - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

And I guess I'd add that that we've heard from quite a few retailers about their strong interest in going after what's a considerable amount of Tempur Sealy branded business. And that they are recalibrating their advertising plans and how they devote space in their TV and print media increasingly so to Tempur-Pedic and to our Sealy brands. So I think you will see a lot of active retailers going after what's a considerable amount of business that they can capture along with our recapture.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Yes. I guess, it could actually be up on that side of the equation in total when you add that together. So, hope that helps.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to the company for any further remarks.

Scott L. Thompson - Tempur Sealy International, Inc.

Management

Thank you. To the 7,000-plus employees worldwide, thank you for what you do every day to make the company successful. To our retail partners, thank you for your outstanding representation of our brands. To our shareholders and lenders, thank you for your confidence in the Tempur Sealy management leadership team and its board of directors. This ends the call today. Thank you, operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. You may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day.