Thank you for standing by. My name is Janine, I will be your conference operator for today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Sight Sciences' Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Results Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. Today's presentation, there will an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] I would like to turn the conference over to Trip from Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you for participating in today's call. Presenting today are Sight Sciences' Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Paul Badawi; and Chief Financial Officer, Ali Bauerlein. Also in attendance is Sight Sciences' Chief Commercial Officer, Matt Link. Earlier today, Sight Sciences released financial results for the three months ended September 30, 2024, and reaffirmed revenue guidance and updated adjusted operating expense guidance for full year 2024. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website at investors.sightsciences.com. I'd like to remind everyone that comments made by management today and answers to questions will include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These forward-looking statements include statements related to the company's anticipated financial performance, operating results, liquidity position and ability to achieve cash flow breakeven and 2024 revenue and adjusted operating expenses guidance, ability to achieve current and long-term strategic objectives, market opportunity and ability to enter new markets and capture market share, pricing strategy, product reimbursement coverage and strategy, expectations regarding regaining commercial momentum, account utilization and engagement, clinical trial strategy and results and the disposition of ongoing patent litigation. Forward-looking statements are based on estimates and assumptions as of today are neither promises nor guarantees and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by these statements. A description of some of the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated by the forward-looking statements on this call can be found in the company's public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including in the Risk Factors section of its annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, except as required by law. On this call, management may refer to financial measures that were not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles in the United States, including adjusted operating expenses. The company believes these non-GAAP financial measures are important indicators of its operating performance because they exclude items that are unrelated to and may not be indicative of its core operating results. See the company's earnings release for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures as well as additional information about the company's reliance on non-GAAP financial measures. I will now turn the call over to Paul.

Thanks, Trip. Our mission is to develop transformative interventional technologies that allow eye care providers to procedurally elevate the standards of care, empowering people to keep seeing. Our success is contingent on supporting eye care providers with the technologies they rely on to improve the lives of their patients. Recently, there have been advancements in our strategic initiatives that will help bolster our ability to provide value in ophthalmology and optometry for the long term. We have developed two market-tested interventional technologies in OMNI and TearCare that address two of the biggest problems in eye care, glaucoma and dry eye disease. OMNI has been used in over 200,000 glaucoma procedures, while TearCare has been used in over 60,000 dry eye procedures. With a strong product market fit established for both technologies, we've been focusing much of our work this year on ensuring equitable market access for both technologies and have made good progress on both fronts. These developments help lay the foundation to establish Sight Sciences as a leading interventional eye care company and position us for growth in 2025 and beyond. Starting with our Surgical Glaucoma segment. The draft local coverage determinations, or LCDs, that were published by five of the seven Medicare administrative contractors in June of this year will become effective in mid-November and confirm continued Medicare coverage for cataract surgery procedures performed with a single MIGS procedure, including both canaloplasty and goniotomy procedures. This is a critical development that coupled with the continued optimization of our commercial organization and strategy will support the growth of our surgical glaucoma franchise over the coming years. OMNI's differentiated clinical profile has been demonstrated with high-quality, long-term peer-reviewed data that we believe will continue to support market access. While we are pleased to have this Medicare reimbursement clarity, we also…

Thanks, Paul. Before I turn to the third quarter financial results, I want to mention that as we continue to progress both our strategic and operational goals and improved execution we are doing so from a position of financial stability with the ability to support these goals moving forward. We plan to achieve cash flow breakeven without the need to raise additional equity capital and are excited about our long-term growth opportunity. Moving back to the third quarter. Total revenue was $20.2 million. This reflects a 1% increase compared to the same period in the prior year. Surgical glaucoma revenue for the third quarter was $18.6 million up 1% versus the comparable period in the prior year. The increase was primarily driven by higher account utilization, which increased by 3% versus the same period in the prior year. Utilization decreased roughly 7% sequentially. And while we expected lower utilization in the third quarter compared to the second quarter due to seasonality, utilization was lower than expected. Over 1,100 customers ordered surgical glaucoma products in the third quarter down 2% from the second quarter of 2024 and flat from the third quarter of 2023. Our dry eye revenue for the third quarter was $1.5 million down 4% compared to the third quarter of 2023, but ahead of expectations. The expected decline was primarily due to fewer new accounts and related Smart Hub sales as a result of the focus on the next phase of our commercial strategy for our dry eye segment which involves achieving equitable market access. Gross margin for the third quarter was 84% down compared to 87% in the same period in the prior year as expected due to higher overhead costs per unit in the current period as a result of lower production volumes in both segments.…

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Margaret Kaczor Andrew from William Blair. Please go ahead.

Hey, everyone. This is Macauley on for Margaret tonight. Hi, thanks for taking our question. Really appreciate the color on some of the moving pieces within the surgical glaucoma performance this quarter and understand your strategy longer-term, Paul. But assuming another sequential decline in dry eye sales, as you mentioned, Ali, the reiterated guidance obviously assumes a utilization step-up sequentially within surgical glaucoma in the fourth quarter. So, just wondering if we could get a little bit more color on. If you're already seeing improvements in that portion of reps that were performing below expectations? And ultimately, what gives you that confidence of the sequential step-up, especially with the headwinds around the LCD, as both of you mentioned?

So I'll be happy to take the start of that. But Matt or Paul, please feel free to jump in here. So first of all, what I would note is that on the glaucoma side of the business, we typically see the fourth quarter utilization higher than the third quarter where we typically see some summer seasonality in procedure volumes. So we do expect that to be a factor in the fourth quarter. We have seen improvements in the overall business, but it is very early in the quarter still. So we are looking to see that to continue to improve, but we feel like we have a very targeted plan that we are executing against in the fourth quarter. And also dry eye is ahead of our original expectations for the fourth quarter, while still a modest number expected in the fourth quarter of 0.5 million or less. That is ahead of our last provided guidance on dry eye. And of course, there was outperformance in the third quarter as well that offset a portion of the glaucoma shortfall in that period.

And maybe just secondary, I'll add to that, reiterating some of the commentary from the prepared remarks. We've been working actively within our sales organization, as we said, responding to what is always very dynamic and evolving environment. Our team has done a great job of engaging in the marketplace, engaging and supporting our providers. And look, while there are certain takeaways with the finalization of the LCD specifically impacting combination of MIGS procedures, it does create a level of certainty in the market that eliminates noise and allows us to be very deliberate, I think, in our efforts as we continue to reengage accounts, reengage providers where we may have seen a decrease in utilization previously. And so the team has been working effectively against that. And again, as Ali alluded to, one of the things that we will continue to rely on is the comprehensive nature of OMNI's procedure, the demonstrated efficacy, ensuring that we continue to win our fair share of those opportunities. So the clarity and certainty with finalization of the LCDs, I think, ultimately comes a benefit as we continue to target our efforts across all segments of the U.S. surgical glaucoma business.

That's great. Very helpful. Maybe just to follow up with one on the device intensive and not getting that in the final rule. Could you maybe just talk about how that calculation is computed, I guess? And were they looking at a trailing 12-month claim, and that's what shifted it from the 29% from the 31% used in the proposal? Or just, I guess, any clarity in terms of the device-intensive nature? Thanks.

Yes, this is Matt. So the short answer is, we don't have the details of what ultimately the claim data was that was -- that led to the calculation and ultimately, it's falling below the 30% threshold. The process is looking at 2023 data, claims up through middle point of the year for the proposed position on the device intensive and then an interval between looking at the claims data through the balance of '23 second half that's not data we have yet. So, assuming no mistake in the calculation and the ultimate determination, there's something in that data, which will become publicly available and will ultimately, look into it. Again as we stated multiple times, we believe strongly in the fact that omni should qualify for device intensive, it meets all the criteria. We've worked diligently with accounts to ensure that it's coded correctly for the accurate billing data is collected to inform these calculations. And once we have the data that claims data from the second half of the year, we can better understand what we need to do and what will be required moving forward to ensure that omni ultimately reimbursed in a manner commensurate the value it provides both physicians and patients.

That’s very helpful. Thanks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew O'Brien from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Hey this is Phil on for Matt. Thanks for taking our questions. I just wanted to get your take on MIGS volumes and more specifically, how the restrictions on multiple MIGS procedures performed a single surgery impacted your business, you called out 10% of procedures being historically billed with multiple devices. Any idea how many of those procedures you captured in Q3 here and -- my second part of this question is Q4 surgical glaucoma guidance looks like it's low single-digit growth on a 2-year stack. Any expectations for 2025 given where these LCDs sell?

Yes, sure. So I'll take the first question -- or the second question first here. Today, we're not going to be giving 2025 guidance. Obviously, we're seeing some level of impact associated with combination MIGS, but we don't have good data that tells us specifically what subset of our procedure is done in combination. So when we discuss that 10% that's looking at claims data and looking at total volumes of claims built with the various procedures in combination with the stent procedure, we don't have a way of understanding how much of that is specifically omni, which can be billed as either canaloclasty or goniotomy. And obviously, there are other products that are built under those codes as well. So we don't know how much of that is associated either in the third quarter or the potential impact in the fourth quarter. But we do feel like we are having good conversations with our customers to proactively discuss what their plans are in the circumstances that they are doing combination procedures and we feel like we have a unique value proposition because of the comprehensive nature of the omni procedure.

That's helpful. And my second question here and I think lost in the discussion of reimbursement in LCDs was you're free cash flow positive in Q3 and you reiterated expectations for breakeven with current liquidity. Can you kind of walk us through the expectations built into your model, some of the leverage you expect to exhibit -- and any thoughts on maybe free cash flow positive next year? Thank you.

Sure. Great. I appreciate the question and we are very proud of the reductions that we've accomplished in cash burn year-to-date being under $20 million burn year-to-date with over $40 million burned in the same period of 2023. And we've really been diligent with our expense management, as well as working capital. As you know, we don't provide specific cash burn guidance or specific breakeven guidance and we're not prepared to change that today to provide guidance on those areas. But if you look at in the period of the third quarter, we did reduce our cash flow or reduce our working capital, our accounts receivable and inventory almost $9 million associated with those two buckets. So, those are more onetime benefits. After that, you would typically see accounts receivable and inventory grow more proportionally to revenue growth. So, I think that's important to take into account in your future modeling of cash usage, but this is an area of focus for the company, seeing both sequential and year-over-year improvement in cash generation versus burn and where we will continue to look to be diligent in our spend. Now, on top of that I would say, there are key areas that we are investing in as a company. And that includes our TearCare market access now and next year will be on our TearCare commercial expansion as we get market access wins. And also, looking at our pipeline activities which we continue to believe are very important for our long-term value creation. So all that said, we are taking a balanced approach here. We expect to continue to make progress in reducing our burn over time and feel like we are sufficiently capitalized, but we won't be providing specific breakeven guidance today.

And Phil, I just want to add one comment to Ali's comments around the comprehensive nature of omni. In a one MIGS world, first of all, we believe that surgeons should have the flexibility to provide their patients with whatever procedures they feel are medically necessary to give them the best patient care. We've obviously developed OMNI to do just that. And with its unique indication and unique design, we think long term once this one MIGS headwind is lasted long term, midterm, long term, the fact that it offers multiple mechanisms of action by design has a unique indication while it's a single comprehensive procedure. It's indicated to perform canaloplasty followed by trabeculotomy and that was deliberate. Three sources of outflow resistance in the commercial outflow pathway, that's diseased in glaucoma. These two sequential mechanisms address all three trabecular meshwork slum canal and collect your channels. So competitively as we look out over the long term in a one MIGS world we think that omni offer surgeons a very reliable procedure that comprehensively addresses the conventional outflow pathway.

Very helpful. Thank you so much.

Thanks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Saxon from Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Hi, Paul, Ali, Matt. This is Joseph on for David. Thanks for taking our questions. So this might be a long one, but I just want to combine if you could maybe talk about in dry eye if there's any way to quantify how many claims you've seen adjudicated and paid out. And maybe what's the next step of expanding that group of dogs who are submitting claims? And then from the doctors or practices that have gotten TearCare claims paid out, what are you seeing in terms of the air volumes stable growing? Yeah, and then I'll have a follow-up.

So I can start with that Matt, feel free to jump in here. So far, we've just seen a small volume of claims being paid. We're not going to quantify that at this stage, but it's been both commercial and Medicare payers that have had claims processed and there each is an individual processing of a claim. There's not a standardization in amounts paid yet. We are happy with the partners who are working with us to get these claims submitted and work through the process so we can establish coverage policy and it is a critical step in the process but we're still early state in that. And I would say though that the conversations in general are very productive with the payers leveraging that budget impact analysis as well as the SAHARA RCT. And we have a compelling value proposition here where we are having cost savings versus the standard of care and we have an RCT versus the standard of care. So we do look forward to getting that budget impact analysis published in the coming months and that will be important over time for everybody to see that data.

And maybe the second part of that question was around provider utilization and just a dovetail on Ali's comments very measured at this point. So I want to reiterate her comments that we've seen incredible partnership from the eye care provider community in working with us. There's a tremendous interest and enthusiasm and ensuring we're providing fair access to patients for this novel an exciting intervention -- procedural intervention for dry eye. But as you can imagine not yet having received formal coverage policies for the procedures that are claims they submitted for standardized payment being very judicious as we would expect, but above also are very appreciative of their partnership and enthusiasm. And the fact that we're seeing that broadly across the US working as Ali said with both commercial payers and Medicare is very encouraging.

And lastly on SAHARA the current update it's a very ambitious rigorous RCT a two-year RCT versus a standard of care prescription dry eye therapeutic as Ali mentioned we completed Phase one to six months versus Restasis and that's published. We completed the 12-month crossover arm and that's published. And then the last phase, Phase III the crossover patients from months 12 through month 24, which is designed to demonstrate to payers the durability of treatment effect for TearCare and the need for retreatment. Excited to share that the last patient last visit completed last month. So that data the final data of the two-year RCT is being analyzed reviewed soon to be drafted into a publication and submitted for publication. So that's the exciting development on this high-impact dry eye RCT SAHARA two years.

Okay. Thank you very much for all that color. And just maybe just one more on dry eye the performance in the quarter. Is there -- do you guys have any idea maybe on how much of the performance was driven by I guess stocking ahead of the price increase?

Yeah, sure. So obviously we don't know exactly how much was associated with that. But obviously, we saw significant interest in buying TearCare smart lids before the price increase went into effect. And that's really a testament to the value of TearCare and how much these providers really do want to continue doing TearCare procedures. And I think some of those were stocking to be able to do cash rate procedures over the coming months before reimbursement is secured. But really, I think we're trying to work with our customers to balance those needs versus a long-term goal here of really a reimbursed TearCare procedure, which we think is the highest value creation. So while we were happy to see the revenue, really the value creation for us with TearCare is associated with getting market access wins, not necessarily the $1.5 million of revenue that we achieved in the quarter. So while we're happy to meet the needs of our customers, we really are heavily focused on market access.

Sure. Absolutely. Well, thank you very much for taking our questions.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Joanne Wuensch from Citi. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. This is George on for Joanne. Thanks for taking our question. I guess first I kind of want to push back a little bit in terms of the previous question on free cash flow. I'll try to frame it another way. So it sounds like you guys are spending a lot in terms of investing in reengaging with these accounts where there's existing or prior accounts? And then also really working hard on both just work you through with the payers in terms of getting TearCare reimbursement and also kind of building out your data. So if all that said, as we think about going forward, how you able to balance all that investment with being able to generate free cash flow positive? And then more so like what are the specific levers that you can pull to be able to continue to drive that free cash flow positive moving forward?

Yes sure. Happy to take that question. And I mean what I would comment is first of all I think we've shown good execution in this area where we have been able to reallocate funds to the highest value areas of the business and reduce spend in other areas that weren't generating as high of a return for us. So when we talk about our plans here that it's more of that. It's more of looking at where are we spending money and where is the right area for us to spend money. And the highest value for us, when we look across the business in terms of incremental spend is of course the TearCare care expansion when we look at 2025. But still that will be incremental in nature in the sense that we will get regional wins of these contracts and then we will put people in place in those areas as we get wins. So we will be doing this in a disciplined manner. We also will continue to invest in R&D, continue to invest in our surgical glaucoma business, which we are very excited about. A stand-alone opportunity and how we can continue to partner with surgeons. And we feel like we still have the proper amount of operating expenses in the business to allocate to these very critical initiatives. So obviously, that's something we will have to continue to prove over time again we're not going to get into 2025 guidance today on spend levels but we are in the process of finalizing our 2025 plans, which includes that balance to look at revenue growth and investments for the future.

Yes. Maybe just in terms of account engagement – reengagement and competitive reengagement, really not driving efficiencies, right and being as effective as we can. So one of the things we talked about earlier specifically related to surgical glaucoma side is removing the overhang and uncertainty of the LCD scenario having clarity moving forward, working with our organization and really driving targeted efforts across account engagement, driving utilization and building what is a really compelling standalone opportunity, on both sides of our business in surgical glaucoma and ocular surface. We have exceptional sales professionals. And so continuing to see that they have the right tools to go out and do their jobs effectively is certainly of the most important to us. But as Alex said, we're absolutely prepared to continue to invest on a cadence that is supported by the performance and execution of the business. So from that standpoint I feel like we're in the right place, focused on the right things as we end the year preparing for how we move into 2025.

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you for that. And I guess my other question would be just on the standalone opportunity. Can you remind us where you are in terms of like a percent of revenues, where that stands in terms of your standalone opportunity? And then as we look forward, the – as the recent LCDs, do they change the way you think about how you're approaching your standalone or being more aggressive in that channel?

Yes. So as the current state, I'd say we're still early days in the market development effort around standalone, but it's not just a matter of technology on advancements of technology. It's really a paradigm shift in patient care and a movement towards earlier procedural intervention at every step along the care continuum for glaucoma patients. We all know and understand, glaucoma is not a disease you cure, you treat, you manage and continue to try to preserve not this visual field but really the element of life and enjoyment for patients that are impacted by this disease. So it's a market that takes time to develop. One of the things that we referred to in the crypto is really being thoughtful. We've already demonstrated and we have the data through the trade data that shows the efficacy of OMNI. So this isn't an efficacy issue with respect to our ability to treat and develop in other market. Again, it's really driving a paradigm shift in the continuum of care. So what's really exciting now is being more discrete and deliberate and looking at where along the patient care continuum can we garner alignment and buy them with physicians to help ensure that we have the greatest impact on patients and associated outcome and quality of life. And so that's really the effort we're doing. Again, the company has been -- we'll continue to be a market leader in this segment and we're excited about what's in front of us in terms of our ability to continue to build out that market in a really meaningful and compelling way moving forward. However, it will take time, not unlike the introduction of MIGS in combination with cataract surgery, it's really again not just about the technology but building the philosophy and the paradigm shift in patient care.

And just to add to Matt's comments on the clinical side, we're excited to have reviewed and analyzed real-world outcomes from the IRIS Registry, American Academy of Ophthalmology's real-world database partnered with Verana to mine standalone outcomes. So these are real surgeons, real cases, real patients. We've looked at a three-year -- up to three-year standalone outcomes to surgeon intervening on a standalone basis with long-term outcomes going out to three years. That data has been analyzed. We're excited to get the publication out in the 2025 time frame. So, Matt and team can go and further develop the standalone market. So, three-year standalone outcomes real-world from the IRIS registry coming, hopefully, in the first half of 2025.

And there was -- sorry, there was one last part of your question that I failed to respond to, which is whether or not the LCDs will have an impact on our strategy for standalone. So we've already spoken to and highlighted that one of the outcomes of the LCDs is elimination of the combination of MIGS procedures. I think one of the things that's really important to think about and I think it actually really extenuates our approach to standalone is a saline procedure by definition is you're doing an incisional surgery solely for the purpose of treating glaucoma, which really emphasizes and highlights the importance of efficacy. And again, one of the things we feel extremely confident and it's not just the label and the indication for use of OMNI standalone but the demonstrated efficacy Paul just talked about the real-world data. We have other clinical data in support of that. And so, while there is some impact with respect to the potential combination of MIGS therapy, this is a patient population in need and growing. And so, as we approach the market, we can do so with confidence knowing that OMNI will be we believe the best solution that surgeons have to choose from based on the comprehensive efficacy it provides.

Got it. That’s really helpful. Thank you.

Next question comes from the line of Frank Takkinen. Please go ahead.

Great. This is Nelson Cox on for Frank. I had a couple of questions. Wondering if you can start with SION and whether or not you think you could see that business contribute in 2025 given the positive reimbursement that's still in play for goniotomy?

Sure. I can start there. So SION is a small portion of our total portfolio today. It's a good complementary product to OMNI for surgeons who want to do a less comprehensive procedure and a less complicated procedure. It is not something that we see as a significant growth driver going out and to be the same size as OMNI for example in our business. So, we think it's a nice complementary business line, not something that we would say is an inherent growth driver. Obviously goniotomy has a slightly higher professional fee versus [indiscernible]. And there also are other goniotomy solutions that providers use. But in general, our business is really driven in surgical glaucoma based on our success with OMNI and SION is a smaller subset of that.

All right. Fair enough. And then, can you talk a bit about your longer-term glaucoma pipeline and any thoughts around therapeutic delivery? Thanks.

We've been working on our surgical glaucoma pipeline for years now and we're making good progress. We're going to be speaking publicly about it next year, I think maybe you saw the announcement we've hired Executive Vice President of Research and Development Dr. MK Raheja to help us efficiently and effectively advanced our robust pipeline in surgical glaucoma and dry eye over the coming years. So we are building the leading interventional eye care company. We're in glaucoma and dry with OMNI and TearCare today but do expect to learn about interventions from sustained release to other MIGS approaches next year. We want to offer our eye care providers and surgeons technologies allow them to intervene procedurally in a safer more spacious, more user-friendly manner and user-friendly to both the eye care provider as well as the patient from first diagnosis of glaucoma all the way to end-stage disease. So we're excited about the work we're doing there. We're excited about the new leadership who's going to help us develop this pipeline. MK has managed a much broader project, R&D projects at companies like AMO prior this acquisition by Johnson & Johnson. So I'm excited to share with you more details next year, but just know that we're making very good progress and we're very encouraged by what we're seeing.

Perfect. Thanks guys.

Our last question comes from the line of Tom Stephan from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. First one on TearCare. I wanted to ask about, how we should be thinking about what comes on the other side of payer wins or even right before in terms of investments in preparation, maybe if you could discuss what that will look like before and/or after payer win and how quickly that can ramp from the perspective of the timing around revenue contribution? And hopefully that makes us.

Yeah, sure. So first of all what I would say is we already have a small team of TearCare, sales and marketing team that have been working on developing our overall strategy and supporting the cash pay business for many years. So we have a base of infrastructure that's already built into our numbers that you see. And we've also had over 1000 customers buy TearCare hubs and do 60,000 procedures. So we don't start from ground zero when we get a payer win. We already have established relationships with the customers that are excited about the potential for us to get these reimbursement wins. So from that perspective I do think that we will see success quickly. Now what will depend is what size of the payer win, how good is the reimbursement. All of those dynamics are unknown at this point. So we can't give certainty or clarity around what exactly that ramp looks like. But what I would say is that on the investment side, the incremental investment side will be relatively small to start. And as we see success as we add areas that will come at the same time right after a payer win. It will not come in advance of those payer wins we have the infrastructure we need to execute winning those payer contracts already built into the base business today.

Got it. That’s great color.

I would just want to emphasize what Ali mentioned on the providers out there. It is an interventional procedure. It takes a lot of training, a lot of effort, a lot of education and we've been at it for years. We've had a team out there doing great work for years in a cash pay environment, recognizing that's not the optimal way to create value, but we got a lot out of that cash pay experience in terms of perfecting the technology, understanding how it might compare to market-leading therapeutics like Restasis, executing that SAHARA RCT with it's pretty ambitious obviously with confidence. So training a 1,000 eye care providers on an interventional procedure and having those folks out there now with smart hubs and understanding how to deliver the procedure for their patients is something that normally under a launch from ground zero as Ali mentioned would take a lot of time and a lot of investment that's already been done. So there's a lot more work to do commercially, obviously, after we get payer wins but there's a lot of work that's been done and a lot of eye care providers that are waiting for the moment that we get that first payer win. It will be exciting.

Super helpful. Thanks Paul. And I apologize in advance if any of these questions were asked jumping between calls. But my second question is just on surgical glaucoma. Obviously a lot of dynamics shifting pretty quickly between device intensive, the new LCDs precluding stacking, competition. So I wanted to ask about your double-digit 2025 growth target. Maybe if you could discuss how your level of confidence in achieving that compares to, I think it was maybe a couple of quarters ago when this was initially conveyed. What's the latest on kind of your conviction in that target? Thanks.

Yeah. Thanks Tom. So at a high level we do expect to return to growth in 2025. We won't be providing specifics on that 2025 plan. We're still, obviously, working through all of those impacts and understanding the areas that we can focus on to enhance our growth profile over time and also working through that dry eye launch plan and potential scenarios on market access wins. So today sitting in November of 2024 we're not prepared to give specifics around what that growth plan will look like, or give any specific targets but we'll come back at a later date once we have our plan fully vetted and provide an update to you guys.

Got it. Make sense. Thanks Ali.

That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the conference back over to Paul Badawi for final closing comments.

Thank you for attending today's call. We appreciate your interest in Sight Sciences and we look forward to updating you on our progress in the future. Thank you.

That concludes our conference call for today. You may now disconnect. Thank you.