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Simmons First National Corporation (SFNC)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 23, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Simmons First National Corporation First Quarter Earnings Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, there will be a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today’s call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to David Garner. Sir, you may begin.

David Garner

Analyst

Good afternoon. I’m David Garner, Investor Relations Officer of Simmons First National Corporation. We want to welcome you to our first quarter earnings teleconference and webcast. Joining me today are George Makris, Chief Executive Officer; David Bartlett, Chief Banking Officer; and Bob Fehlman, Chief Financial Officer; and Marty Casteel, CEO of our lead bank. The purpose of this call is to discuss the information and data provided by the company in our quarterly earnings release issued this morning. We will begin our discussion with prepared comments and then we will entertain questions. We have invited institutional investors and analysts from the investment firms that provide research on our company to participate in the question-and-answer session. All other guests in this conference call are in a listen-only mode. I would remind you of the special cautionary notice regarding forward-looking statements and that certain matters discussed in this presentation may constitute forward-looking statements and may involve certain known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, which may cause actual results to be materially different from our current expectations, performance or achievements. Additional information concerning these factors can be found in the closing paragraphs of our press release and in our Form 10-K. With that said, I’ll turn the call over to George Makris.

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Thank you, David, and welcome, everyone, to our first quarter conference call. In our press release issued earlier today, we reported record core earnings of $15.7 million an increase of $8.2 million or 110% compared to the same quarter last year and record diluted core earnings per share of $0.70 or $0.24 or 52% increase over the last year. As a result of acquisitions and efficiency initiatives reported in the last several periods, we have and more continue to recognize one-time revenue in expense items, which may skew our short-term financial results but provide long-term performance benefits. Our focus continues to be improvement in core operating income. Core earnings for the first quarter of 2015 exclude $7 million in after tax merger related expenses from our most recent acquisitions. During the same period last year, we recorded $3.1 million in after tax merger related and branch right sizing costs including these non-core merger items net income for the first quarter was $8.7 million or $4.4 million increase or 100% over Q1 of 2014 and diluted EPS was $0.39 or 44% increase over the $0.27 reported the same period last year. On February 27, 2015, we completed acquisition of Community First Bancshares headquartered in Union City, Tennessee and Liberty Bancshares headquartered in Springfield, Missouri. The acquisitions added approximately $1.9 billion in loans, $2.4 billion in deposits and $3 billion in total assets to our balance sheet during the quarter. As of March 31, Simmons First total assets were $7.8 billion, the combined loan portfolio was $4.6 billion and stock holders equity was $1 billion. Net interest income for Q1 2015 was $53 million, an increase of $11.4 million or 27.5% compared to Q1 of 2014. This increase was driven by growth in our legacy loan portfolio and earning assets acquired through…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian Zabora of KBW. You may begin.

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Thanks, good morning guys.

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Hi, Brian.

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Hi Brian, how are you?

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Good, how are you?

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

We are great.

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Just a question on the expense side, are you starting to see expenses from the two recently closed deals or the – is there any realized in the first quarter?

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Yes, Brian, as you probably know, we have been planning with both Liberty and First State for several months for the integration. They have done an excellent job in identifying cost save opportunities, and I would tell you that they both had great first quarters, they particularly on the expense side. So I’m would say that we are probably on little ahead of the game with regard to the realizations of those cost saves. We still think that our original projections are going to be – we would come out, if I would just little earlier then we are projected them to happen. So we were the beneficiary of a little bit from the timing standpoint, first quarter but remember they are only in our financials for one month and one day in the first quarter.

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

That’s helpful. And then second on your balance sheet, you have got a lot more cash, it looks like with the acquisitions, you have a good amount of liquidity, tell us your thoughts about your kind of loan-to-deposit ratios at a good spot, are you maybe deploying that through securities or loans or how you thinking about that excess liquidity?

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

I will just touch on that briefly, and I’ll let Bob Fehlman talk a little bit more about that. Our cash position is good, we are restructuring our investment portfolio, so all three banks sold some securities during the first quarter, we were holding that cash, because we didn’t want to go back in all-in one time invested in the securities portfolio. But I’ll let Bob, give you a few more details on our cash position.

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Yes, Brian we, as you know, on the purchase count, we have a mark-to-market on the investment security portfolio and as we marked those securities we’ve looked at what would fill into our portfolio. So we have a couple of hundred extra million in liquidity right now that we will layer back into the investment portfolio over the next couple of months. We don’t want to put it all in one-time, we want to layered in and obviously the rates are on the lower end right now. So we will look for opportunistic times to put that in. We would like it obviously to go into the loan portfolio. You mentioned on the loan-to-deposit ratio were in the low 70% range, you know our target over a period of time would be north of the 80% range as where we would like it to be. But as we merge the companies together and put new programs in place that would be our target over that period of time.

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Okay, great. And just lastly on the FDIC covered loans, some banks have exit their loss share agreements, have you looked into that?

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Brian, we have – we’re taking to look at it now, I’m going to let Bob talk a little bit about the excess mark we have on our books and what that means to us long-term and sort of give you an idea of what the financial deal with FDIC would have to look like for us to be willing to exit that loss share pretty soon.

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Yes, Brian you know, we are looking at the possibilities of exiting the market or the FDIC loss share agreements. One of the things to remember for our company is the excess mark that we have related to the Kansas loans, related to that, we have the FDIC indemnification asset, those asset that has been expensed over the life of the loan or the agreement period whichever shorter. We have a negative amount in the non-interest income. So it could be when we analyze this that there is a one time hit, all that would be a timing difference of one that expenses whether its on the day we sign the agreement or we expensed over the next period of time. While we continue to evaluate the financial trade on this, if its worth existing or not, the FDIC is looking at more today than they have in the past. So we’re hopeful at some point we will exit.

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Great, thanks for taking my questions.

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from David Feaster of Raymond James. You may begin.

David Feaster

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Hi, good afternoon, guys.

David Bartlett

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Good afternoon.

George Makris

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Good afternoon, David. How are you?

David Feaster

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Organic loan growth continues to be quite strong. Could you maybe talk about your thoughts on your organic growth this year, where you’re seeing the strength commercial and CRE have clearly been the workforce as for you guys. And maybe if you could mention what kind of runoff you looking for on your acquired book this year with the inclusion of the other new deals.

George Makris

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

David, I’ll talk a little bit about our modeling runoff and loans and we never model keeping the 100% of the loans. We usually building about 10% runoff. We’re very hopeful and optimistic that, that’s not going to happen and we don’t believe its going to happen because the same staff that made those loans in both Missouri and Tennessee, you are still in place taken care of those customers. So we are hopeful that our runoff will be less than our model of 10%. I’m let David Bartlett talk a little bit about where we’re experiencing in this organic growth.

David Bartlett

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Hi David, this is David Bartlett. Most of our loan growth is coming out of some of our metropolitan markets Wichita has been a great loan growth market for us. So in St. Louis, Little Rock is contributed the good growth. And then just our legacy footprint in Arkansas from Jonesboro its always a good growth loan growth market for us. Little Rock has shown some relevant growth this past quarter as South Arkansas. Did you remember we are in the ag business and the ag business cycle is just starting to pick up and some of the agricultural blenders in our footprint are starting to see some benefit at end of the third quarter most of its – I’m sorry, the end of the first quarter, most of this going to be coming in the second quarter. So that’s the history of what we’re saying most of our pickup in our core loan growth.

David Feaster

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Okay, great. In the organic growth, do you guys have your last quarter we talk about 7% to 10% is that kind of still a target.

David Bartlett

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

It will be if we lose 10% of the acquired loans in our model, if we don’t then we expected to be double-digit. So as we’ve experienced over the last several quarters.

David Feaster

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Okay. Perfect. Maybe if we could switch gears to the NIM, obviously this is lumpy from quarter-to-quarter, but maybe could we talk about your expectations for your net interest margin and accretion income in 2015 and 2016.

George Makris

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Bob, you…

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

David, first on the reported names with the accretion the accounting entries is going to be bumping last like it has it will be anywhere from 14 to 450 on the core side we’re pleased with the spend pretty consistent that the 385, 386 level. We see the core side spend 385 to 390 in the next couple of months. We will have a pick up in the second quarter as we fund those acquired loans but right now there is as much as we’ve seen in the past based on the size of the balance sheet. But I would say a pretty stable core name in the foreseeable future in that 385 to 390 range.

David Feaster

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Okay, great. Last question from me could we may be talk about your thoughts on fee income, mortgage and investment banking we’re clearly the standout in the quarter. But overall fee income was may be a bits softer than I’ve thought could you give us a sense of the trends you’re seeing and kind of you’re expectations for fee income going forward?

George Makris

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Sure David, I’m going to let Marty Casteel feel that question if you don’t mind.

Marty Casteel

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Well David as you noted, our trust in our mortgage income investment banking income all pretty solid our depository income was soft and that’s really reflection of frankly NFS fees and this quarter is typically, historically a lowpointfor NFS fees that’s not surprising tax refunds. Honestly, probably the lower price of gasoline has help consumers a lot. That’s all good news in many respects. It does show up in its NSF fee income. We would expect that historical trend to continue and we’d see some rising of those deposit fees over the coming months though.

George Makris

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

David this is George Makris again, you know we’ve talked a lot about our non-interest income lines of business and real opportunity we have long-term from revenue enhancement standpoint we just hired Philip Tappan in the last quarter the head of financial services division, Philips,over our trust, our investments, our insurance and our new private bank operation. Some of the increase you’ve seen this cost buyer increased emphasize on those product lines. And quite honestly they are very limited and they are offering to run our footprint. So our probability over the next two to three years is to make sure we have gross products and services available in all our markets. So Philips done a great job and I certainly expect those areas of our business to continue to increase our revenue opportunities.

David Feaster

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Okay, great. Thanks again.

George Makris

Analyst · Raymond James. You may begin

Sure thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Matt Olney of Stephens. You may begin.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Hey guys how are you doing?

Marty Casteel

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Hi Matt.

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Hi Matt, how are you?

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Hey, I’m doing well, thank you. Hey, I’m trying to get a better idea of 1Q results from the legacy bank. What that the impact of the acquisitions, do you have any data there in front of you there kind of point to what similar larger item where whether its expenses or fee income or anything, just from the legacy Simmons bank in the first quarter?

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Matt, that’s a good question. When you first in the last 12 months to 18 months, you put four banks together, it’s hard to figure out what the legacy is and what those bank is today. But I can just tell you, as you can see, we’ve had good legacy growth. The fee income as we said, we’ve had a little bit of challenges on the NSF and some of those service charges in the credit card area. On the expense side, we’ve seen good cost saves and as we work across our efficiency initiatives. So David, he is got the page, turning to respond to that.

David Bartlett

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Yes, hi Matt, David here.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Hi, David.

David Bartlett

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

We have seen some organic improvement in Simmons First National Bank. We’re up significantly in the legacy SF and being compared to where we were in the first quarter of last year. And our trends that we expect to see going forward. So we’ve got the legacy improvement of SFNB and then, we’re just layering on these acquisitions to help accelerate that improvement in growth.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Sure.

David Bartlett

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

We talked a little bit about our legacy loan growth and that continues to be strong. So that would be in those numbers. And I think we talked before about exceeding our expectations on the cost save model on metropolitan and certainly I would tell you in the Delta Trust acquisition, we’ve exceeded that our cost saving estimate is well. Our merger related cost particularly on these two latest transactions were below our model, which is one of the things that is contributed to our stronger equity position on our balance sheet. So I would tell you that both on the revenue side and cost save side, we’re doing a little better than we anticipated a few days to six months ago.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Okay, that’s a great commentary. And as far as the outlook for expenses ins this second quarter, as you can layer back together get the full impact of the acquisitions, is there a range can you can narrow down what we still expecting for 2Q expenses?

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Matt, another good question and it is a big challenge trying to get our hands around that. So I’m going to give you some numbers, but its like you said a range of where we will be again, we’re putting these companies together. We’ve got cost saves, we’re putting in from past acquisition and cost saves from future one. But I would tell you without the cost saves going forward, we’re looking at run rate on a quarterly basis of about $62 million, would be a good number and that number will be reducing with the cost saves as we go forward. That’s what our modeling is showing right now as we look to the next couple of quarters.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

And you mentioned, that would be reducing remind me the timing of the conversions you have coming up.

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Yes, as we said Liberty converge tomorrow, its generally about a 30 days before some of those cost saves – savings start hitting Community First will be September 4, and it will be 30 days. So we think fourth quarter of this year will be a good run rate going forward in all the cost – most of the cost saves in.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Okay, all very helpful. And I don’t want to ahead of myself as far as future M&A, these deals are now close any updated thoughts as far as the timing of additional M&A from here.

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Matt, fear of being strong robust some of these guys sitting around me, we will continue to be very active and talking to perspective merger partners. We’re seeing a lot of activity in the market. I’ll tell you that we’re originally several years ago, we establish sort of a 350 mile radius around central Arkansas as our target territory that’s probably expanded little bit since our territory now includes the entire state of Tennessee. I would tell you we’re looking at more of an inside out growth strategy. We said we’d like to go West the multiples going West or little high now. So we may have some opportunities in some contiguous territory in Tennessee for instance. So we continue to look first for an organization whose culture is very similar to ours. If we go into the new territory we want to make sure that we have a good strong management team in an organization that is well respective a long history excellent service in your markets. And quite honestly we’re having discussions with several of those institutions that make those characteristics right now. I really can’t give you much of the timeline. We’re very comfortable with our ability to integrate these two deals as we mentioned earlier. So I would expect that if we are successful with any of these discussions, we will slight closings and conversions similarly to what we’ve done with these two deals.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Okay, George. Thank you. And then last question more of a modeling question. I think George you’ve mentioned the accretable income was about $10 million in the first quarter. I know such predict day being accretable income going forward, but how should we be thinking about that accretable income going forward and what’s the remaining accretable discount that could potentially flow into income in the future?

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Yes, I would tell you again that’s a bumpy numbers we go forward. While that is $10 million in the first quarter remember there is also some of the indemnification asset that goes against that number and as we go forward. I think David we’re saying…

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Yeah.

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Looking back in that now.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

For the second quarter for Liberty and First State, we’re going to have about $3.5 million in accretion. Just for those two new portfolios.

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Yes.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

And that’s just the income that you expect to come in or just the discount that could come in the future?

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

That is the expected credit mark accretion in the second quarter for those two deals.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Got it.

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

And Matt, remember those numbers are in – those are at our expectation levels of the number we gave last year when we projected the earnings going forward for those entities.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Sure yeah that’s a moving target and hard to predict, I just kind of want to have a ballpark range on that. Okay guys those are all my questions. Thanks for your time.

George Makris

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Thanks, Matt.

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · Stephens. You may begin

Thank you, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from Brian Zabora of KBW. You may begin.

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Hi, this is question on capitals, TCE ratio improved actually with the deals I just wanted to get your thoughts and sense on in capital ratios you might be targeting and if may be what your thoughts as far as distribution or you kind of holding capital for the potential deals that you may be exploring?

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Brian, we’ve said is our target based on our current risk profile from range of operating capital TCE 7.5% to 8.5%. So we’re well within those guidelines. It’s quite honestly probably 30 basis points prior than we thought it was going to be primarily because of the delay in the closing. So we got the benefit of earnings of Liberty and First State during the first three months of the year. Actually for three months because we expected to close last November that rolled into capital instead earnings so we’re pleased about that. We’re going to sit on this capital and try to utilize it in future acquisitions. If we get above 8.5% then we’ve got some deployment issues that we will start talking about internally either larger cash pieces of acquisitions or potential stock buyback. So I would tell you that over 8.5% based on the current risk profile, we consider that to be excess capital.

Brian Zabora

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Very helpful. Thanks for taking my question.

Bob Fehlman

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] I’m showing no further questions – sorry. I’m shown we have a question from David Hutter with Pine Bluff. You may begin.

David Hutter

Analyst · Pine Bluff. You may begin

Yes, thank you. Hi, Mr. George Makris, I just want to know are you anticipating Simmons First National Corporation having a record core earnings of the $15.7 million for the first quarter of 2015.

George Makris

Analyst · Pine Bluff. You may begin

Well, I’m going to answer at this way. I’m looking at our lead director at the end of the table and he was expecting, me to expect us to have record core earnings. So yes, that’s the result of our acquisitions. They’ve all been very strategic and all been very good financially for our company. So I would say, yes, we expected to have record core earnings.

David Hutter

Analyst · Pine Bluff. You may begin

Thank you very much.

George Makris

Analyst · Pine Bluff. You may begin

Thank you.

David Hutter

Analyst · Pine Bluff. You may begin

Yes, sir.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I’m showing no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to David or Makris for closing remarks.

George Makris

Analyst · KBW. You may begin

Well, thank you very much for joining us today. Many of you will see between now and the end of the second quarter. But we look forward to doing this again. Thanks a lot. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation. Have a wonderful day.