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Stifel Financial Corp. (SF)

Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 6, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Shelly and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Stifel Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Jim Zemlyak, you may begin your conference.

Jim Zemlyak

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning I’m Jim Zemlyak the CFO of Stifel. I’d like to welcome everyone to our conference call today to discuss our second quarter 2014 financial results. Please note that this conference call is being recorded. If you’d like a copy of today’s presentation, you may download slides from the company’s website at www.stifel.com. Before we begin today’s call, we’d like to remind listeners that this presentation may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are not statements of fact or guarantees of performance. They may include statements regarding among other things, our ability to successfully integrate acquired companies or branch offices and financial advisors, general economic, political and regulatory market conditions, investment banking and brokerage industries, our objectives and results and also may include our belief regarding the effect of various legal proceedings, management’s expectations, our liquidity and funding sources, counterparty credit risks or other similar matters. As such, they’re subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual future results to differ materially from those discussed in these statements. To supplement our financial statements presented in accordance with GAAP, we may use certain non-GAAP measures of financial performance and liquidity. These non-GAAP measures should only be considered together with the Company’s GAAP results. To the extent we discuss non-GAAP measures; the reconciliation to GAAP is available on our website at www.Stifel.com. And finally, for a discussion of risks and uncertainties in our business, please see the business factors affecting the Company and the financial services industry in the Company’s annual report on Form 10-K and MD&A of results in the company’s quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. I will now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO of Stifel, Ron Kruszewski.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Thank you, Jim, good morning everyone. We are pleased with the performance of our private clients and investment banking groups who contributed nicely to our results in the second quarter, in what was otherwise what I believe is a challenging market environment. Our global wealth management segment posted record net revenues and record pretax operating contributions in the quarter, investment banking benefited from strong equity capital raising and advisory activity and our institutional brokerage results reflect what was really significantly lower industry volume. Through the second quarter we announced two acquisitions, Oriel Securities, a London-based stock brokering and investment banking firm, this will build out our institutional businesses already underway in London. And in June we announced the acquisition of Legg Mason investment council, which will be complementary to our high network private client group. Before I turn to our results I’d like to add a little color on the operating environment during the quarter. The second quarter was in my opinion a quarter of market complacency. While the S&P 500 hit new high, up 5% in the first quarter and 6% for the year the tenured yield decreased 19 basis points, volatility measured by the VIX declined 17% and equity average payment values declined 13% in the first quarter of 2014. Inflows to equity funds also slowed to $11 billion down from $56 billion in the first quarter. However, this same complacency coupled with low volatility did help equity capital rate from both the dollar value as on the industry book dollar value and deal count was up year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter our result reflect this trend. The reverse however was true for debt capital rate which was up and above comparable periods for the industry. For the industry another bright spot was announced M&A, this bodes well for future…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Devin Ryan from JMP Securities; your line is now open.

Devin Ryan - JMP Securites

Analyst

Just with respect to money market balances, just let me get some thoughts here, are you seeing cash moving back into the market, just given some of your comments that you just made and can you remind us where the money market fee waivers are today and then just more broadly how the bank is positioned for the potential of rates moving higher.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Now look I think the bank, all financial institutions I believe or most financial institutions including ours is we’ll benefit from rising interest rates. We will benefit in the bank from rising interest rates for no other reason than that we financed a lot of our assets with equity and that will help, but we’re positioned in our queue as to some of the, what happens with the increase in interest rates. We expect, I think our money fund balances have been, they haven’t decreased, they’ve been relatively consistent, they grow, you know as we grow the company and you know fee waivers, I don’t remember what fees were like that money funds to be honest with you. I guess we used to get them and I almost quit talking about it, I think if I quit talking about the fact that we’ll get them back at some time, we may actually get them back if we quit talking about it.

Devin Ryan - JMP Securites

Analyst

Okay fair enough, you can go back to your last remarks when you did talk about it, maybe assumption there. So I guess moving on, with respect to the loan origination comments on the capacity, comments that you made about the bank kind of increasing capacity. You did have a nice step up in retained loans a few hundred million dollars in the quarter. Want to get any more detail around what the drivers were there and then you’re overstating how big of an opportunity the bank is for the firm. Should we expect further acceleration from here, just $300 million we saw this quarter was at, in your mind a very good quarter or is it still moving higher based on those comments of increasing capacity?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Look, no, we’re definitely higher, increases in CNI, we’re building the capability in the bank prudently, I would say that, however, the overall growth in the bank was relatively muted for the quarter and it’s just a reflection of the environment, I’ve always said that we’ll -- we're not going to give -- add assets in the bank to increase pre-tax income and that we could do, but we’re not going to do it, if it’s going to significantly dilute our return on equity, we want to maintain and build our return on equity and it’s been a difficult environment with credit spreads where they are and this general interest rate environment to do that. So we’ve been making loans, but we’ve also shrunk our investments portfolio as we’re not reinvesting at this point in the cycle. So again you note, Devin, if it’s about pre-tax income and earnings per share, we could lever the bank but I don’t want to do that. It seems that’s a good way to move our return on equity.

Devin Ryan - JMP Securites

Analyst

Great, understood and then just lastly, the increase in legal expenses it sounded like that is something that could be recorded moving forward I just want to make sure that I heard that correctly and then any additional detail on what may be driving. That would be helpful.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Look, we had a few legal items, I think hit acquire, I wouldn’t say that legal would increase and I didn’t mean to imply that if I did, I think legal was elevated for the quarter but I wouldn’t anticipate that going forward, we don’t have any real significant legal items, but we did lose an arbitration case and that impact is not significant but it did have a bit for the quarter. What I do expect although it’ll come to an end in some point, is the amount of fees, in professional fees that we’re spending as we invest in our risk systems in the market risk world and in a lot of the requirements that you’ve all been reading about that is being imposed by the regulatory environment, and we’ve made some significant investments to be compliant with that and I see it, those are not permanent but they’re elevated in the quarter and probably for the remainder of the year.

Devin Ryan - JMP Securites

Analyst

Great, thanks for all the detail, thanks for taking my questions.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Harris from Wells Fargo; your line is now opened.

Chris Harris - Wells Fargo

Analyst

Thanks for the commentary Ron about the acquisitions just had a couple of follow ups on those, how should we be thinking about the revenue and pre-tax contribution for LMIC and Oriel.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

We haven’t really disclosed, or I guess I can on this call a little bit, you know the FMIC acquisition in terms of revenue is approximately 50 million in revenue and we think we’ll be nicely profitable. And so I would tell you in the 20% margin ranges is what we are thinking. As it relates to Oriel, I am not prepared at this point to talk about that. Because what we are doing over there, we have now, to just give you some sense of the scale, we have I think on a pro-forma, we closed the deal. We have in excess of 200 people in London primarily and in Europe and we can see revenue from London in the $160 million to $200 million range. But we are spending some time integrating. So I will give you more color on that either the next quarter or prior to the quarter if we have some estimates on the merger cost. But I am very optimistic about our growth aspect. While we are going to continue to grow in the domestic U.S., the net result of some of the deals we’ve done between Knight, KBW what we had organically at Stifel in selling our U.S. research in Europe now plus Oriel. Oriel is an Umbrella that allows us to pull all this together and I see some significant growth opportunities in London and in Europe. And I think we can make some nice profits there. So but I will have to get back to you with -- I’ll update probably next quarter on the outlook for that and the revenue and contributions from London.

Chris Harris - Wells Fargo

Analyst

Maybe asking a different question then on your kind of Global Wealth Management business. This quarter, some of your peers seem to really accelerate the growth in advisor hiring and it looks like you guys only added a few advisors this quarter and I know everybody is different obviously. But just wanted maybe to get your thoughts on how the pipeline for new advisors is looking. And then if you guys are kind of benefitting from the concept of kind of retention packages rolling off for some of these guys that we put in place during the crisis year?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

I think we’ve been very disciplined on our assumptions about recruiting packages that we will offer. And so similar to the bank we’re not going to chase the market just to the purpose of meeting metrics. But to me return on invested capital is a very important metric and I want to continue to do that. And while I thought that there was sort of a pullback in the competitive nature of bills that I don’t think get return on investment capital, frankly it hasn’t occurred. And so we have a lot of, we were seeing a lot of people than we hired 16, they do more than $1 million and we are being selective and we are recruiting on our terms. And it’s not a numbers game in terms of gross numbers, it’s about net income. And I think you see that in our private client results. I expect to grow, I just think the environment is ultra-competitive right now and I would rather stay disciplined versus chase some growth targets which dilute our returns. So I’ve been saying for a while it’s been very competitive but I think we are doing just fine there, we are just not going to throw caution to the wind from a recruiting perspective.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Steven Chubak from Nomura. Your line is now open.

Steven Chubak - Nomura Securities

Analyst

So just had wanted to dig into the banks a little bit. The net interest income growth given the robust growth we saw in your underlying loans was a little bit more modest and what we had anticipated. And given the favorable mix shift, I was hoping you can clarify why after I suppose it’s a string of four consecutive quarters of double-digit sequential growth in NII that we see did the slowdown this quarter.

Jim Zemlyak

Management

Well, wait a minute let me see if I understand your question. I mean net interest margins expanded, correct? I mean --

Steven Chubak - Nomura Securities

Analyst

NII on a dollar basis.

Jim Zemlyak

Management

I think it expanded.

Steven Chubak - Nomura Securities

Analyst

It did, it was modest and there has been a robust growth rate.

Jim Zemlyak

Management

Okay, look as I said on the call, this is the first quarter where we were not continuing to grow the investment portfolio and grow banks. What I was saying was that the quarter was marked by relatively limited asset growth on a consolidated basis and that the investments that mature rolled off and we increased loan. But the market environment for the investment portfolio did not meet our return hurdles. So we weren’t growing the bank in total assets. So what you really think as there was a muted growth in the bank assets and that’s not limited by our deposits capabilities or funding capabilities, we have got plenty of funding it’s limited by what we view is right time to be investing with respect to return on equity. And which is our major metric here and so I think I answered that before and I am trying to answer now, but I just -- it’s been a challenging market from an investment perspective with where credit spreads are and just where the yield curve is, it was very, very difficult market to put money to work which would meet our return hurdles.

Steven Chubak - Nomura Securities

Analyst

I understood. I appreciate the detail color on. And switching gears just to the M&A business, you’ve noted the growth in the investment banking backlog which is consistent with the broader industry trend that we’re seeing and so maybe you could just provide some more detail commentary in terms of which sectors are exhibiting the strongest growth? And maybe given the strength in KBW’s result what’s your outlook for bank M&A more broadly?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

I think bank M&A has still been marked by -- we’ve got, we think excellent market share marked by small deals still primarily and I would expect that to continue. We don’t see that trend really changing any time I mean not in the next quarter or maybe for the remainder of this year. The overall markets -- the markets hitting new high with low volatility while not good for flow business, does provide a good backdrop for equity capital raising and you’ve seen cost of Board in a number industries but specially healthcare and we’ve made some nice investments in healthcare and that’s paid dividends for us. But technology and I would say across the Board, it’s been good. When I look at our backlog absent a significant change in market dynamics, I am optimistic about the both M&A and capital raising although I’ve cautioned as always that that can be lumpy quarter-to-quarter, but I think we’ve said that, if we could do $500 million up from whatever it was last year 450 that’d be a good quarter. And we’re certainly exceeding that pace on the first six months of this year. And so I think the environment remains favorable as I sit here today.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Hugh Miller for Sidoti. Your line is now open.

Hugh Miller - Sidoti

Analyst

I guess piggybacking off of the discussion on the equity capital markets segment, I was wondering if you could give us your sense of where I guess competition stands now and as we think about maybe risk on horizon. We’ve seen kind of maybe a push of interest towards some competitors increasing the research staff through M&A and trying to be able to take more share of ECM by and expectations from maybe a strong operating environment to continue, but how do you view kind of the competitive landscape now? And what do you think will happen in the coming years or so?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

You’re talking about the most recently merger announced.

Hugh Miller - Sidoti

Analyst

Yes, I mean we’ve seen a handful of them but obviously there was one that was larger in size with the focus on kind of growing the ECM business and just -- are you seeing any increase in competition? Do you anticipate the competition could meaningfully increase or is that not the case?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Well, look, whenever just competition and I think what you saw that was consolidation and then consolidations occurring, I think it’s a difficult market environment. We have a 6 billion share a day average daily volume, which is really -- and that was sort of in the second quarter that was sort of a math for the fact that we had a pretty good April. But May and June was significantly below that. July hasn’t really changed. So I am encouraged that market participants have invested in the flow business as it relates to the competitive landscape. I didn’t really see it change for us. I mean we welcome competition let’s put it that way and we’re doing just fine and we’re going to continue to build best-in-class investment bank and I think my prior comments talk about my outlook.

Hugh Miller - Sidoti

Analyst

Okay, I guess aside from the institutional equities business obviously the research fund leading to the potential to participate in underwriting activity, do you view any changes in competitive pressure from that standpoint, I know you commented that the backlog looks strong but pricing terms there and you anticipate that there could be risk there on the horizon.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

No, I mean again I think it’s competitive but I don’t see, I really don’t see any, I don’t see any major changes in the competitive or the rest of the business other than I think the biggest risk to the capital raising front is the general market environment. We have a lot of business to do, we have a strong backlog and we continue to win our share and we’re gaining, I know we’re gaining market share, but if you ask me what I’d be most worried about, it would be the general market conditions.

Hugh Miller - Sidoti

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful and you’ve given us some color on kind of the NIM expansion, some of that just being a function of the earning asset mix shift towards the long term securities, but you had commented as well about seeing CNI production improving. And I suspect that that’s a higher yielding asset relative to the overall loan portfolio which has some residential lending exposure. Can you just give us a sense of how we should be thinking about the yields on those CNI loans relative to the overall loan portfolio yield?

Jim Zemlyak

Management

They’re generally higher, right and but we’ve had an increase -- we focus on start loans, the yield on the Acacia loans considering where we bought it all right and the we’re accreting that that’s also very favorable, you can’t, certainly not going to discount the increase in residential, the yield on the residential, but you know the net, the loan portfolio including CNI is a significantly higher net interest margin and investments and we just want to make sure that we’re being compensated for credit, you know it’s net interest margin minus credit and I’ve been encouraged by our steady progress in that area, but as I’ve always said, if you, -- there just goes our underlying philosophy, it was just about increasing pre-tax income and driving some accretions to increased earnings, we could do that tomorrow, by just sweeping in deposits and investing them at sub 10% return on investments. We’re just not interested in doing that and we want to build our return on equity and build our core franchise and do it by lending to a natural client, whether they be individuals or institutions of this company, not do wholesale asset generation to drive pre-tax income at sub return on equity thresholds.

Hugh Miller - Sidoti

Analyst

Okay, and I appreciate the thoughts there and you had mentioned just a metric about the retail engagement being 9% above the average, was wondering if you could just, I didn’t catch exactly what it was pertaining to and the comparison period was it for the second quarter or the first quarter.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

I should, I probably should, July on average was for the month, although it’s generally a longer month, so I should be a little cautious about that. But the engagement was stronger, it sort of fell off and you can see we have flattish results so I saw that trend was slowing down, reverse itself somewhat in July, maybe I should say it that way, because I didn’t necessarily quote that number on a same day basis.

Hugh Miller - Sidoti

Analyst

Right, okay so it’s for the month and not an average daily basis but is that commissioned…

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Still stronger, the overall revenue for - you know that’s a combination of you know asset base fees which get booked based on June value versus March, so they’re going to be up naturally as you go into this quarter but activity was also better.

Hugh Miller - Sidoti

Analyst

Okay, so that’s just for the retail segment engagement overall revenue and that’s relative to what you consider the first half of the year or the second quarter.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

First half of the year.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Alex [indiscernible] from Goldman Sachs; your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Quick question for you guys on expenses, just want to dissect the trends we’re seeing there, I guess when we look at compensation for the first six months of the year, it’s up roughly in line with overall revenues but when I look at the revenue mix it seems like it should have been a little more of a positive operating leverage, meaning your NII is significantly higher, investment banking significantly higher, so where does the incremental expense dollars go in, because I would I have thought we would see that operating leverage on the cut line.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

I think, historically I mean I think that compensations an estimate, we pay a substantial amount through the firm we pay a substantial amount of our compensation and incentive based compensation at the end of the year and we are -- we tend to historically book compensation I believe on the conservative side of those estimates. And if you look historically, you will see that as we get around to actually paying incentive but we want to make sure that we are properly accrued. And that’s the way I’d your question. It’s a big chunk of our compensation it is incentive based. And we actually finalize those numbers in February of next year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right. I guess I was trying to get to when I think about the expenses associated with growing things like NII, it feels like they should come with higher margin. So I guess what you are saying it’s all kind of will flush itself out in the fourth quarter?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

That’s what I think I had said. I agree.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

On the non-comp side, can you just go through one more time which part of regulatory compliance procedures you guys are investing in, how long do you think that’s going to be a drag on non-comp expenses and kind of overall how much incremental being to spend there?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

I don’t really have Alex that. In the quarter, on a comparative basis, I think what I’ve saw was we’ve taken -- we’ve been -- I’ve been saying that there is a number of merger type things, occupancy being one. You will see leverage, operating leverage and occupancy and we’ve been looking at communications and we’ve been looking at our execution cost and a number of things we’ve realized some of the things that I was talking about but it was offset primarily by and as I said the professional fees that we’re spending to be compliant the market risk rule which were subject to is a significant investment in putting in those it bolstering our enterprise risk management systems, it is investments that we are making that we’ve been spending some time with consultants that I view as short-term albeit not short-term meeting in six week but probably through the end of the year. At the end, net-net between that and the legal, if my estimate would be it’s about 1% of those operating expenses that I would say is elevated that we think if these revenue levels fall away.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

And then just one last one to clarify comments around net interest income. Did you guys see if there is some discount accretion that’s still being recognized through NII, and if so, I guess how much per quarter and when is that expected to run off?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

It goes on for years, I mean it’s not -- you will see, I think I -- I think I’ve said the numbers, I will say it again, I think it’s some we bought, we did a very attractive in our view financial transaction in Acacia and have 40 plus million dollars of discounts that is a combination of accretion and credit. And that’s just; there was an attractive financial transaction. That sort of -- I don’t want to say it’s all accretion because what I was really trying to point to was the fact that that provides credit question that you don’t see in our allowances. A lot of banks talk about this, maybe purchase accounting you have to do fair value accounting and you record loans at a discount not growth less than allowance. So we have very conservative marks and we’ve got that residential mortgage yield is over 5% is what I will tell you. And that’s going to continue for until it rolls off which is years. So it’s not a short-term phenomenon. I was more Alex talking about the fact that I think that not only did that enhance our yield in the loan portfolio, it has -- it is very adequately accounted for if you will on a credit perspective.

Operator

Operator

And your final question comes from Douglas Sipkin from Susquehanna. Your line is now open.

Douglas Sipkin - Susquehanna

Analyst

So you guys put up a presentation I think last quarter talking about sort of how you are over capitalized and there was an opportunity to grow assets or shrink equity effectively given your low sort of straight leverage access to equity what have you. It sounds like you guys are maybe a little bit more guarded about ramping of assets given the tough conditions or harder market in the loan market. So I guess the flip side of that is -- and so it’s incremental more if your decision to lean more towards shrinking equity, I am just curious because that was interesting slide that you guys put up last quarter.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Hey, Doug look I would say the commentary is the same. I would say that I -- we think a lot about the fact that our return on equity is hampered by our overcapitalization and as I said then we’re not going to rush to just grow assets because we want to grow return on equity and so we’re going to be balanced about that. All that said there is a numerator and there is a denominator component too dealing with this. And we’re considering everything appropriately and as the market conditions get paid. And I am not ignoring it. I didn’t forget about it. We’ve got a lot of comments about that slide. I will admit. But the objectives remain the same and that is to properly capitalize and to provide proper shareholder returns whether that would be by growing assets or returning capital.

Douglas Sipkin - Susquehanna

Analyst

Great that’s helpful and maybe just to add onto that and I am doubt I’ll get answer, but I figured I tried. I mean embedded in that obviously you’re weighing the growth of the assets versus equity, do you guys sort of have a framework where buying equity comes a little more attractive, I mean you actually have hard numbers valuation metrics that you guys look at where you say okay the stocks comes in to book value by X or trades it multiple to book value of some multiple then all of the sudden the equation shifts more to shrinking equity or is it more still strategic oriented completed versus movements in the stock?

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Well, I could answer that question. Doug, the answer is of course we do and I can tell you that there are points where the lines cross versus dealing with denominators versus numerator going assets versus doing that. But to say the next question I am not going to tell you where that is of course I do.

Douglas Sipkin - Susquehanna

Analyst

Okay, thanks a lot.

Ron Kruszewski

Management

Don’t ask me where?

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Kruszewski for closing remarks.

Ronald Kruszewski

Analyst

Well, thank you everyone. Thanks for your time and your interest in the company. As I have said, I am very pleased with our growth. We have challenges but we’re continuing to build a best-in-class investment banking and wealth management firm. I think this last quarter underscores our progress in that. I am pleased with the both our integrations of our most deals, mergers of the last year and I am excited about Oriel which just closed and the addition of Legg Mason Investment Management to our fold. And I am optimistic about our ability to continue to create shareholder value for you, our shareholders. So I look forward to reporting continued progress next quarter. Thank you. And have a great day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.