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Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 28, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the ServiceMaster's Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2017 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded and broadcast on the Internet. Beginning today's call is Brian Turcotte, ServiceMaster's Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer, and he will introduce the other speakers on the call. At this time we will begin today's call. Please go ahead, Mr. Turcotte.

Brian Turcotte

Management

Thank you, [Tommy]. Good morning and thank you for joining our fourth quarter and full-year 2017 earnings conference call. Before I review the agenda and introduce the other speakers, I'd like to remind you that throughout todays call management may make forward-looking statements to assist you in understanding the Company's strategies and operating performance. As stated on Slide 2, all forward-looking statements are subject to the forward-looking statement legends contained in our public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of performance and are subject to the risk factors contained in our public filings that may cause actual results to vary materially from those contemplated in the forward-looking statements. Information discussed on today's call speaks only as of today, February 27, 2018. The Company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed on today's call. This morning, ServiceMaster issued press release filed with the SEC on Form 8-K highlighting our fourth quarter and full-year 2017 financial results, the press release and related presentation, can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. We will reference certain non-GAAP financial measures throughout today's call, and we have included definitions of these terms in our press release, which is available on our website at www.servicemaster.com. We have also included a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures in our press release and presentation to better assist you in understanding our financial performance. All references on the call to EBITDA today are to adjusted EBITDA as defined in our press release. Joining me on today's call are ServiceMaster's Chief Executive Officer, Nik Varty; and Chief Financial Officer, Tony DiLucente. For those of you who haven't had a chance to download the investor presentation from our website, I'll walk through the agenda items shown on Slide 3. Nik will lead off by providing full-year 2017 highlights, and we will then provide an update on the American Home Shield or AHS separation, progress on the Terminix business transformation, and review the Company's strategic growth priorities. Tony will follow and summarize our consolidated fourth quarter and full-year 2017 financial results, review the individual business unit results, provide more details in regard to our financial statements and then speak to the full-year 2017 outlook. Nik will then provide summary comments before opening the call to your questions. I'll now turn the call over to ServiceMaster CEO, Nik Varty for opening comments. Nik?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Thanks, Brian, and good morning. Thank you all for joining us today on our fourth quarter and full-year 2017 earnings call. As you saw this morning, we reported solid results for the quarter and year, while continuing to execute on our strategies to deliver a long-term growth. For those of you on the call following along with our webcast deck, please turn to Slide 4 and our 2017 highlights. Since joining ServiceMaster in July, I've had the great pleasure of meeting many of our approximately 13,000 employees over 15,000 contractor partners and more than 4,500 franchise owners. I am impressed and humbled by the tremendous efforts to take care of our customers, reaching into more than 75,000 homes and businesses every day. This focus on customers is reflected in our results. We delivered value across all our businesses in 2017. We reported a 6% year-over-year revenue increase in 2017 for ServiceMaster with American Home Shield achieving high single-digit organic revenue growth for the third consecutive year and 13% revenue growth overall. We delivered adjusted net income of $286 million and adjusted EPS of $2.11, up 2% and 3% respectively over the prior year. At Terminix, we launched a series of systematic transformational initiatives to significantly upgrade the customer experience, improve customer retention rates, and better positioning ourselves to deliver consistently strong revenue and earnings growth. We are beginning to see the benefits of this transformation through the increase in the net promoter scores submitted by our customers. While we know it takes time for these initiatives to impact the business, we are excited by the strong customer feedback we are already seeing. We continue to strengthen our leadership team, adding significant experience to our executive ranks, which I'll review in a moment. We are also creating an organizational structure that…

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Thanks, Nik, and good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide 9. For the full-year, ServiceMaster revenue grew a $165 million or 6% compared to the prior year. Revenue growth was driven primarily by a 13% increase in AHS due to an increase in new unit sales growth, improved price realization, and the impact of the OneGuard and Landmark acquisitions. AHS organic revenue growth remained strong with an increase of 8% versus prior year. FSG delivered 6% revenue growth in 2017 versus prior year, while Terminix revenue was up 1% almost half of which was organic growth. Full-year adjusted EBITDA increased to $11 million or 2% compared to prior year driven largely by growth of 18% at AHS and 10% at FSG mostly offset by 11% decline at Terminix primarily due to investments in the business transformation initiatives and higher sales and marketing expenses to drive future organic revenue growth. Full-year adjusted net income was $268 million, an increase of $5 million or 2% versus one-year ago. The increase was largely driven by the increase in adjusted EBITDA. Adjusted net income and EBITDA does not include the impact of tax reform legislation that I will review in a moment. Full-year adjusted earnings per share of $2.11 with an increase of 6% or 3% versus last year. This was driven by an increase in adjusted net income and lower weighted average diluted common shares outstanding due to our previously mentioned share repurchase program. Turning to the fourth quarter consolidated financial results in Slide 10, total company revenue grew $32 million or 5% compared to the prior year. Our results were primarily driven by continued strong organic growth of 8% in AHS, where we continue to see strong demand for our products in both the real estate and direct to consumer channels coupled with…

Nikhil Varty

Management

Thanks Tony. I'm pleased to announce that we're in the process of moving into our new corporate offices, which we refer to as our global service center in Downtown Memphis as shown on Slide 23. At our global service center we expect the posture of the next great wave of innovation, customer service, and performance in a contemporary collaborative work environment, for the full focus will be supporting on employees, contractors and franchisees who serve our customers directly. By retrofitting a Downtown Mall abandoned years ago into our new global service center we will bring a new level of energy to the city of Memphis, another way of giving back to the community in which we live and work. We look forward to hosting you at this amazing facility in the months and years ahead. In 2017 we reaffirm our vision to ensure our invaluable brands of the unparalleled best at serving our wonderful customers. Putting our customers at the heart of everything we do will allow us to continue to strengthen and expand our customer relationships, driving sustainable growth throughout our business. We are committed to demonstrating our care for our employees, contractor partners and franchise owners. This care is an essential ingredient of our ServiceMaster transmission plan. Our employees, partners and franchisees perform our most important work and we are confident that demonstrating our care for them will improve their ability to provide outstanding service opportunities to our customers ultimately benefiting all our shareholders. Every day ServiceMaster delivers peace of mind for our customers. Whether we are keeping homes and commercial properties clean, protecting them from pests, restoring them after a disaster, for fixing heating and cooling systems, we are protecting our customers' biggest investments their homes and facilities. We also announcing ability to deliver for our other stakeholders by improving our operational cadence and measurement systems. Before opening the call to questions I am confident that I speak on behalf of all our employees, contractor partners and franchise owners across the country and the word, when I say that ServiceMaster and his powerful brands a better position than ever to deliver on our commitments to our customers, our communities, our shareholders and each other. Together we are creating a better company that to reinvent the way customers experience of residential and commercial services. We are excited to lead the change in 2018 as we serve, we care and we deliver.

Brian Turcotte

Management

Thanks Nik. As a reminder, during the question-and-answer session, we encourage you to ask any questions you may have, but please note that guidance is limited to the outlook we provided in our press release and webcast presentation. Additionally, since the queue is long as this morning please limit yourself to one follow-up question. So we would make it to everyone in the allotted time. I realized that our prepared remarks were longer than normal this morning. So we'll extend the Q&A session beyond the top of the hour. Tommy let's open up the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. [Operator Instructions] And we will get our first question on the line from Anj Singh with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Anjaneya Singh

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So first one for you Nik, on the Terminix organic growth. It seems your fiscal 2018 guidance for that business is a little bit below I think [indiscernible] anticipating, and given the Alterra adjusted growth that you've been putting up of around 2% recently. Is the 1% to 2% guide just conservatism or is there something else you're seeing? Maybe just talk about what you're seeing today for retention rates, new customer acquisition levels as the retention showing sort of a slow and steady improvement? Just help us understand the puts and takes as it relates to your organic growth guide there?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Well, thanks Anj for the question. The way I look at this as we've gone through my first six or seven months here. I treat this is a steady slow progress because there's a lot of work needs to be done in rebuilding some of our capabilities in our branches, retraining are employees, connecting in a better way with them. And I must say that I'm very pleased at the significant progress we're making on this, but a lot of work still needs to be done. And as you see to our commentary, there are a few things that we are going to focus on. Number one, is our commercial business needs a lot of work. So if you see that number, it's a combination of both our residential and commercial. And we've already seen some very promising signs in both our net promoter score and retention rates specifically on the pest side more so than even termite improving quite a lot. So I have high level of confidence going on in the residential business. Again, we're also going to focus on some things such as the quality of the revenue that we generate. For example, I want to make sure that the marketing dollars that we are spending are spent on the right type of revenue, so whether it's the profitability that comes with it and also focusing on the life cycle value of those customers. They're going to go after more customers that have higher retention rates, certain geographies that we either shouldn't be playing in or focusing on geographies that are much more beneficial to us. So all this transformation has to be done very carefully. I mean we're in here for the long haul. My goal and our goal of the company here is to build…

Anjaneya Singh

Analyst

Okay. Got it. That's really helpful. And for a follow-up, one for Tony, could you just talk about the EBITDA guidance. If I heard correctly, you're expecting flattish margins in Terminix, so maybe just talk about what would cause it to be down year-over-year in 2018? And then on AHS, is there a reason why you're stepping up the investments so much higher to cause flattish EBITDA margins year-over-year given the sort of 35% incremental margins you've spoken to in the past? And I didn't hear you reiterate the 35% target for that business, so is that still intact? Thanks.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Yes. Good questions Anj. Let me talk about Terminix first. As you know and as Nik just mentioned, we're investing in our capability to better serve the customers and we're continuing to see opportunities. We're going to continue to invest as needed. But we're also going to do is generate productivity and efficiency. We talked about that Pratip coming on Board to drive Lean Six Sigma through our operations. We believe that improvements that that will generate will offset any additional investments that will have to make. So that's why we believe margins will be basically flat in Terminix. Now Nik is going to talk about the increased investment in AHS, but I will say that before I turn it over to him to address that, incremental margins were higher - were 35% or better in 2017 and we still expect that going forward. So Nik…?

Nikhil Varty

Management

On the AHS what's critical to me is as I came in, I saw an incredible groundbreaking opportunity in this business. As you know we've been serving, we just touched across our customer condo over $2 million in this year, which a big achievement for the business. But what lingered in my mind is there's 120 million homes in America. How do you get to those levels because the market the way we defined it, we were counting up having about 47% market share. So we've been through an intensive amount of effort and work to see how we can serve beyond the 4 million homes and how do you capture a significant portion of 116 million homes going forward and that's just counting the United States as of now and not even really expanding our thinking process to outside our boundaries and commercial in other places. The fantastic part of this business is it's a one of a kind which is a guarantee service to its customers who are incredibly strong technical platform that connects 15,000 contractors in America we monitor manage score and train - help them improve to over two million customers. There's a huge ability to expand this, but we have to look at other avenues beyond the warranty model that we offer today in terms of retail services and stuff. So whether we go into retail services or not, it is imperative in today's world to be the best-in-class in customer service. And we're investing a lot to reduce our whole times to improve our customer service levels. But it is also helping us drive significant mindset shift in terms of how we understand our customer issues and complains, so rapidly understand the causes and put permanent solutions in place to give service that we can be very, very proud of becomes a huge barrier to entry in the future. This will also give a nice foretold as this company becomes independent to expand beyond its own capabilities today in the warranty space to retail and concierge services for the like. So we've done a lot of work on the stand back, but it does stained backed upgrading that service plus where I strongly believe in digital capabilities that this business can benefit hugely from, which gives even higher ability to deliver increase margins in the future because you're going to be a lot more dependent on artificial intelligence machine learning and other capabilities, which is business is very, very well suited for.

Anjaneya Singh

Analyst

Okay, understood. Thanks for the details.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll go to our next question on the line, from the line of Sam Eisner with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Samuel Eisner

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Good morning.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Good morning, Sam.

Samuel Eisner

Analyst

So maybe just kind of ask - some kind of straightforward questions here. In terms of just the deal statistics associated with Copesan, let me understand how it fits into the portfolio from a kind of strategy standpoint? But any kind of deal statistic where you can share revenue multiples, EBITDA multiples, synergies, how you're financing and aiming of that nature?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Yes, I'll give you part of the answer. I'll leave it to Tony to talk about the financing part and stuff. The Copesan, number one, to understand it's an incredibly great asset that we've been able to create this deal with. Copesan brings to us an unparalleled capability in this industry to serve national accounts. And as you know Sam, bulk of our commercial business was to serve a lot of small and medium businesses, which with combined with capabilities to acquire and retain over the long-term strongly retained national accounts that Copesan has demonstrated with average retentions well into the double-digit years, brings a huge complementary benefit to our companies together. We will be benefiting from strong leadership that Copesan has which will come along with this business. And the way the dealer structured is we're paying $100 million upfront as you can read it and there's about $40 million to $50 million that we paid in over the three years or towards the end of the third year. And we have a relationship with - the way the dealers structured, it gives us a lot of ability to drive synergies over the next year and a half to three years to significantly upgrade not only the EBITDA performance, but exponentially help our commercial space to grow. So I'm very encouraged because we're getting some systems capabilities that we would otherwise have to be investing in on our own. We're getting leadership capabilities that are very necessary specifically in the national accounts space, and we're also getting some best industry and best practices that significantly upgrade our commercial space which would have taken us in at least four to six quarters to reinstate or install in our own business in our own way. So that's going to be some money that we need to invest to make this combination deliver significant returns in the future, but I also see that this is sort of a huge tailwind or cornerstone deal that I'm really happy about.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

And I'll follow-on with a little bit of information on the transaction, Sam. We will pay approximately $100 million at closing and approximately another $50 million three years from closing. We will fund that out of cash flow. As far as specific 2018 impact as we talked about in the script, we are expecting about $50 million of revenue, assuming it causes 30 to 45 days from now which is likely. Initially the margins will be light around mid single-digit range and they'll improve significantly as we move into 2019 and beyond with the implementation synergies.

Samuel Eisner

Analyst

So maybe I'm just trying to understand the feel better, so your pain if I prorate that $50 million for a full-year, it seems like your pain well north of 2.5 times sales here. I guess why is the multiple - the multiple relative to other things I've seen seems to be on the upper end of historical spectrum. So what is it about this transaction that is causing you to pay that level?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Remember that the transaction is going to close in the second quarter, let's call it. So you're talking about $50 million for a nine month period.

Samuel Eisner

Analyst

Right. I understand that. As the growth rate particularly interesting for this transaction, if this is a business that's doing $65 million or so of revenue annually. What was it last year? Is it growing in particularly pest rate, again just trying to understand the price paid coupled with the earn out relative to the earning profiles?

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Yes. I think given our brand equity income and the kind of incredible capabilities and customer relationships that this company has, we see some complementary benefits where we can all expand even the existing national accounts with more locations and grow into additional national accounts which gives us a significant benefit. If you look at the overall revenue, we're looking at just around 2x of revenue, but we see huge amount of synergies both on the growth side and the profitability side going forward. And we're also counting synergies where we would have to significantly invest a lot of cash flow and capabilities in terms of technology and capacity that building branches. I mean bear in mind, we're getting around 325 service locations that come with it, which we would have to steadily build in the commercial space to grow at our own pace.

Samuel Eisner

Analyst

Okay. Great. I'll hop back in queue. Thanks.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

As the transaction closes, Sam, we will continue to provide more color on this deal.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll get our next question on the line from the line of Toni Kaplan from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Toni Kaplan

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Good morning, Toni.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Good morning, Toni.

Toni Kaplan

Analyst

Are there any changes that you're planning to your investment strategy in 2018 as oppose to this year, so which areas are you planning on spending more? Where are you pulling back? And just in terms of the investment plans so far, this was asked a little bit earlier, but have you seen any sort of increases in Terminix retention since you've started the investments?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Yes. As I mentioned earlier on even in my script, what I said is, we have seen very encouraging signs both in the improvement in our net promoter score and also our retention rates. For competitive reasons, we don't declare - give our exact numbers. But we're seeing close to - I would say about 150 basis points improvement in our pest retention for example and we're seeing significant improvements like I said in our net promoter scores as well. So yes, know I would say our investments are working, but all of them working in the same direction or the one-time that I want them. As I've learned through the last few months, which is what I said one of the fundamental shift we're going to make, even though it may cost us some small percentage of revenue growth, I want to divert the marketing dollars, divert the sales efforts, divert the regional strategies to areas and products and customers where we have higher lifecycle values. So we're creating a longer term benefit for the Company rather than shooting for our short-term growth kind of strategy as well. So where our focus will be - number one will be continuing to build the growth platforms. So it's going to be - will be very step fast in delivering the growth for the future that we need in this Company. As you saw from the M&A perspective, bringing in highly synergistic acquisition like Copesan because it gives us a huge presence in the upper end, not only in the - for example national accounts, but in sectors or segments like certain specific verticals where we - which were missing across. We are broadening the scope of commercial services that we provide. And I think commercial longer-term is a much faster growing path for us in this business as well. I see great commerce, address potential is going to be a steady growing and build up and I'm very confident with the initial results. So yes, we're going to invest in our growth. We're going to invest in technology, more and more in digital capabilities and also continuing to invest in capacity and capability where it's absolutely necessary to drive the growth. But as I promised, by bringing in a Chief Transformation Officer and already starting not only on continuous improvement, but pain management projects, we are going to balance the act of - we're not just going really, really invest and dilute our margins. We're going to continue to build that margin strand. So we can continue to deliver stronger cash flow, which will help find some of these activities as we go forward.

Toni Kaplan

Analyst

That's great. And then now that you go further down the path for the spin-off, can you give us an update on your thoughts around future capital structure of the two businesses or what's the corporate costs of the new entity will take on or are you waiting just until you have done the filing?

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Yeah you will see more Toni, when we do the filing. As Nik mentioned, we did a - our confidential filing and as we proceed through the process and make this thing public, you'll see all that information.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Just an imagine Toni, it's a complicated process and we have over 18 or 19 work streams that are working very diligently towards, it was encouraging to me is, we are absolutely on track, not only in our filing and stuff. But all the work we're doing in terms of the physical separation of these two companies setting up the right teens that's - I think there is an incredible amount of work. We have to be very thoughtful on how we allocate the right people to the right jobs. We'll be bringing in some talents externally. There's a lot of great internal talent that will helps, but we're also as I mentioned earlier both Tony and I have decided and it's been agreed to the Board that we will staying on with ServiceMaster, which I'm pretty happy about. But we're - we've also launched - our search both internally and externally focusing on the people who get the best C-Suite candidates and CEO for the Company going forward as well. But we're pretty encourages a lot of work and as I said, as we know you will know. So what we're going to be very transparent and things back readily shared with people. I mean I think I mentioned right in that first call. Number one priority for me is to maintain an absolute transparent relationship there.

Toni Kaplan

Analyst

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll go to our next question on the line from Ian Zaffino for Oppenheimer & Company. Please go ahead.

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Thanks. Just taking on the retention question, Nik, since you've been in there, you've been running the show, what sort of your thoughts on retention going forward as far as what were your expectations and then we can't disclose exactly what they were, but all the expectation initially compared to what you're seeing now and to get that retention up is it really just a matter of focusing on certain areas or maybe you can give us a breakdown of the retention proven how it would kind of manifest itself as far as within each specific region versus switching regions, if you can kind of give any detail there and then I have a follow-up.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Thanks Ian. Great question, I mean this is kind of the heart of the question of what our Terminix is all about or is any service business is all about. So there's three fundamental things that we focus on which is why which sort of aligns completely with our new vision which is we serve be care we deliver. It all - the number one priority is always the service, so the first component is ensuring flawless service to our customer because you know I've learned with my several rights along and branch visits and conversations with the field and our customers directly. When a pest controlled technician leaves a particular home and you see a smiling customer shutting the door that's when you secured the business longer term. Because they're going to drown out the noise from any competition, any ads or any [indiscernible] that come their way and we've got to get a lot better at that. So and the second part that goes very hand in hand with that is our ability to treat our technicians and sales professionals with the greatest care. If you treat them like gold and going to treat like customers like gold which is core practice that we have worked really hard to build and which is why yes we've had some separation of leaders where with the company when I joined and we brought in some incredible talent and one of the highest quality or look for is not just the ability to deliver are being right in the past, but also extremely humble. Matt Stephenson has done an extremely amazing job, bringing together several people and if I barely see him because he's out in the field so you know so much. It's really to gain the confidence of our…

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Okay. And then just for Tony. The 45% revenue growth that assumes contribution from the deal or does not exclude the contribution?

Anthony DiLucente

Management

That excludes contribution from the acquisition it's strictly our base results without regard to acquisitions.

Ian Zaffino

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thank very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll get our next question on the line from Dan Dolev with Nomura. Please go ahead with your question.

Dan Dolev

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I have two questions.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Hey, Dan.

Dan Dolev

Analyst

Hey, guys. First question is what have you learned from your processors M&A practices more specifically from Alterra when it comes to the Copesan acquisition. How are you - what are you doing to avoid the kind of the same issues that we've had with Alterra and then I have a follow-up. Thank you.

Nikhil Varty

Management

What I've learned is acquisition and I used to be a M&A leader in my previous life for a company. So hardly back, but partly also I mean the best thing about history that teaches you some lessons and that's all you can really take and move forward and for me it's all about are you acquiring value, are you acquiring our short-term benefits. So it's about retention and the quality as I mentioned it's not just from an acquisition Dan, but even going forward from the marketing dollars over we spend we're going to be very judicious about the quality of revenue that we focused on. Life cycle means a lot in this business and how we acquire customers that are significantly longer one way for us where we're not constantly throwing in dollars just to regain. I'd like to make sure that we - one is to improve service and care of employees and all of it improve, but we also - it's like great employees. You don't do the right recruitment, you're not going to get the best results either. So it's about the recruitment of customers that we have a profile of customers that stay with us longer that actually will pay us on time as we go. So we're improving that as well. So that's the same logical on acquisition. We did a lot of studies in this. And I think what is helpful with, for example with Copesan is the kind of retention. We're talking 15 to 17-year retentions and many accounts and they've done a phenomenal job, demonstrating the kind of service that customers deserve. The other thing is when you say value you don't acquire more of the same. You'll acquire what's complementary to you. So what helps us with Copesan is bringing in a strong national account to recruit acquisition and management capability combined with our ability to acquire a lot of small business and serve a lot of small locations. You're talking national accounts with thousands of locations across the country, so it's an incredible combination. So all these factors going back, so definitely you will never see us do an acquisition that we are doing just to fill in the blanks. It's always got to be about what it's going to be better for the long-term kind of shareholders and company.

Dan Dolev

Analyst

Thank you. Very helpful. And my follow-up is, I think last data point you provided on the number of technician was about 5,700. I was bit surprised to see the margins kind of stayed flat in Terminix this year or flattish. Can you maybe give us an update on the technician number and kind of where you see the steady state technician number for Terminix? Think you so much.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Not a material change from 2017. I think we did some significant work in 2017 to improve engagement. We did see a spike up in the number of minutes per work orders and that stabilized now. We're going to work on 2018, is better planning our capacity, so we manage that labor better and we think we'll get some productivity from that. Again there we are thinking that that's going to offset any additional investments that we want to make to further improve the business.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

And I think also going forward you will see some capacity as sort of a better match our marketing spend in territories where those capacity ads are being done, proper training, getting them on time, so we can manage the influx of the leads and customers that we generate.

Dan Dolev

Analyst

That's very helpful. Thanks guys. Congrats.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll get to our next question on the line from Andy Wittmann with Baird. Please go ahead.

Andrew Wittmann

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Just given all the focus on the Terminix segment. I thought I would just try to get a little bit of thought from you guys about the relative split between your outlook on the pest business versus the termite business and just kind of the relative growth rates that you see here. And specifically for that second half kind of what you're seeing accelerating growth, what are the things that you're looking at today that are kind of given you confidence to that acceleration in the second half of the year for the Terminix segment?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Hey, Andy. Thanks for the question. If you see this year, we make some progress on termites, but we've also seen as I mentioned in the fourth quarter reasonably encouraging uptick on both net promoter scores and retention in the pest. So we're starting to see our pest business trend upwards and then I see that steadily building throughout this year in various areas, different geographies and segments of pest businesses that we drive, whether it's some regular pest that we are talking roaches or mosquito business or bed bug business. We're starting to see good traction in those and I am very encouraged with the trend we will see in that business. On the termite, even though we saw some upward trend, we're starting to see some challenges infecting in some areas. We obviously had a record breaking cold January which it's not always helpful, but we're starting - but we're pretty encouraged that we can continue to make some progress on termites, but I would say pest is going to be a faster trend for us going forward.

Andrew Wittmann

Analyst

It's helpful. Thank you. And then my second, my follow-up question here is on the American Home Shield business. In the quarter the claims, the incidence and the severity were both factors into the flat year-over-year EBITDA trends that you saw there. I was just wondering, as you look at the trends, is there something in the customer mix or the way you're marketing the AHS product today that might be driving that or what can you say that helps us get comfortable that the claims incidence and severity is may be more of a one-time or do you expect that to continue into 2018?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Yes, we expect that to continue in a similar way. We have not seen any noticeable shift in current types of customers or the type of complaints or claims. As we go you - there's definitely a lot of quarter-to-quarter variation in these given the script, several factors depends on how hot, how cold, what kind of breakdowns, I mean obviously for example when you see an incredible heat wave you're going to have a much more bigger approach. But what we're doing is we're also putting in smart procedures and then where we can start actually early February turning conditioners, attending to customers more in proactive basis. So we smoothen out more of the significant uptick even when we get higher temperatures and stuff. So it's a way of generating productivity upon, because then if your volume of breakdowns not high, you're not doing replacement. You're not showing more people of the call centers, to ensure peak volumes, so we're working on improving how we serve these customers. I don't Andy in any way that there's been a between 16 and 17 that there was a noticeable shift or so. In Q4, we had some issues, but it if you look at the year-over-year, the trend is pretty much the same.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

And I would just add to that and say that remember, incidence rates were favorable earlier quarters this year and for the full-year, they averaged essentially flat - at the same full-year rates, we had for the previous two years. So I think this is just normal variation.

Andrew Wittmann

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks guys.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll go to our next question on the line from Tim Mulrooney with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

Yes, good morning.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Good morning, Tim.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

So piggybacking on just to go back to Terminix margins one more time, can you talk about the assumptions that are built in your guidance for flat adjusted EBITDA margin at Terminix you expect organic growth of 1% to 2%? So you're getting some revenue conversion, but you're also continuing to invest in the business. I heard you say $4 million in incremental sales and marketing, I think in the prepared remarks. Is there anything we have to consider related to production, labor or customer service initiatives changes in compensation et cetera?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Yes, I think it's going to be a combination of improving capacity in certain areas where it's absolutely necessary, not only to maintain the customer base and a happy and efficient way, but continue to grow there. So we're ensuring this investment is in high quality revenue. We're ensuring that the capabilities in technology are going to be strong. We're going to do - we did quite a lot in terms of residential business this year and we're going to - so if you look, so there's going to be some continuing run rate from that. But I think the bigger investments this year. The focus is going to turn also in commercial, where we believe the business has a significant amount of growth runway that we really didn't focus as heavy on in the past and I believe this is going to be you know a very, very critical part of our Terminix Transformation or turnaround and so we have to invest in certain additional systems capabilities, people resources and even a lot more in terms of digital technology. Now Copesan acquisition will help a lot. So that actually takes off some pressure from us going forward in terms of the amount we would have been best otherwise without something like that. But even still I think bringing Kelly in has been the just the first step, but we've got to look at a significant upgrade in terms of how we build leadership capabilities and system capabilities around this business. This business is much more acumen and they don't in the future for things such as machine learning and other digital capabilities of work carefully starting and analyzing those, and my vision is in future, how do we combine the customers of synergies between this business and our ServiceMaster Clean business going forward as well, which is also focused on a similar level of commercial customers.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

Okay, thank you. But one more on the pest, you just mentioned that bugs and mosquitoes in Q&A here, which I know to keep growth factors in the pest world today, have you ever shared or can you share what percent these represent of your pest business today and are they important growth opportunities or do you view them more it's kind of one-off services that you're have they performed but not quarter the growth story.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Yes, there are bed back in mosquito relatively small percentages of our overall Terminix revenue, but they are growing and they are important services for us going forward.

Nikhil Varty

Management

And this is also part of the investment story as we need to invest in things like that where we see a higher quality of revenue and higher differential and we have to build certain product capabilities and system capabilities just for that and we see the potential opportunities here been and like and like Tony said we're relatively small today but we see a lot of run rate in this going forward.

Tim Mulrooney

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll get to your next question on the line from Judah Sokel with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead with your question.

Judah Sokel

Analyst

Hi, guys. How are you?

Nikhil Varty

Management

Hi, Judah.

Judah Sokel

Analyst

One quick question - has everything I don't know if you guys mentioned a CapEx guidance in the prepared remarks we clearly have OpEx visibility from the guidance but in terms of CapEx how are you guys thinking about that for 2018?

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Two days it's relatively flat versus 2017 might be up a little we're still firming up numbers with respect to the spend for example which will disclose later. But remember 2017 was a little higher than 2016 because of investments in the headquarters plus the Terminix investments we made in new vehicles.

Judah Sokel

Analyst

Okay helpful. And then just staying on that investment being and not it just one more question in terms of Copesan and maybe you can explain exactly what you're buying. Clearly they have regional operational providers and then they have alliance partners with revenues that are far exceed the $50 million that you guys are expecting for the rest of the year. So maybe you could explain how those alliance partners will be - how that will apply once you guys acquire Copesan if they apply it all. And maybe that'll help us understand also the lower margin than what we normally would expect to see at a pest control business? Thank you.

Anthony DiLucente

Management

Yes, thanks Judah. Well, the point I want to make about Copesan is it provides us some capabilities that more enhances our ability to serve the commercial market. Strong national accounts team the alliances with these companies that they work with that's all part of what we're acquiring and over time we'll see synergies and combining our national accounts efforts with the national accounts efforts and so that's the reason why the margins are a little bit light out of the gate. But they'll go to normal levels which you would see in this kind of a business once we implement those synergies accordingly Nik I don't if there's a thing you want to add to that.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Yes, as just Tony mentioned, Judah it's a combination of best of both wars for us is taking the higher and sort of national account acquisition capabilities which we needed to enhance internally anyway and in our ability with our strong brand equity and also some capabilities that we bring to the table not, you know the alliances partners will be very helpful over the term with certain outsourced services and stock we will continue to rely on, but the entire business that we have acquired as a national account business. So that's something we'll be 100% sort of part of Terminix 4% combination that we will serve.

Judah Sokel

Analyst

Understood.

Nikhil Varty

Management

And we've also as we mentioned require two very strong you know operating locations our operating commercial operations with help bolster how we saw her with all the best practices and serving commercial customers.

Judah Sokel

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Thanks for the explanation.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll get to our next question from the line of Gary Bisbee with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Gary Bisbee

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. I'll stick with the commercial seem. So Nik you've been very clear you see this is a growth opportunity and it strikes me that the capabilities both people and maybe the technologies you're using the level of the tax the certainly the national accounts it's all very different from the resin market and it sounds like the deal bring some good capabilities. But how much more do you need to invest in people and process et cetera and what's the timeline to get this business just with the foundation and infrastructure and people in the right place to then begin to consistently grow the business? Are you close are you thinking this is a multi-year process to get it where you want it to then be consistent growth? Thanks.

Nikhil Varty

Management

Hi, Gray. Thanks for the question. I mean you're right I mean right from day one there are certain teams that I talked about is, number one was getting closer to our people, upgrading the service levels in all three of our businesses, focusing heavier on commercial, the complete transformation of Terminix as we do business, and certain other themes like transformation, rights. So I have been fixed on those. And as you know, we've said a lot of things, but we've also done an incredible amount in the last seven months by putting the right leadership team in place on doing certain things we were doing. We are focusing on some right systems and processes and capabilities. Now the commercial business, if you look back the past in Terminix, the stronger focus has always been residential. And I hate using the word stepchild, but let's call the commercial business as a stepchild treatment over the last few years. We separated very early in my tenure here with the leadership of that business. And it took me a while to bring in the right leader because for me recruiting the right leader is so important that I would rather have taken the time, but make sure we get the right person in place. And I'm very, very encouraged and happy that we were able to bring somebody of the Kelly's caliber on board. Now if you had not done this acquisition, we would have had a higher investment both in terms of the kind of leadership talent and kinds of people we bring on board. And bear in mind, commercial is not just about national accounts. So what we really got, we hear is leadership, systems, processes, people for serving national accounts. So we can combine our national account practice…

Gary Bisbee

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks. And then the quicker follow-up, both that you mentioned that revenue - focus on selling the right revenue, I think in particular the residential business and Tony, I think you even used the term some revenue you could rationalize as you focus on improving profitable right revenues. Is any more color you can provide? Is there a material piece of the base that is not the recurring revenue that you're really focused on and should we think that that could be a real drag as you do that to revenue growth or is it more on the margin in the focus on just ads will be the right?

Anthony DiLucente

Management

It's not a substantial by any means. We're just going to drop the ball on something or just wipeout or carve out or write-off something that's not the approach. The approach is I want to make sure that while I'm committing to the business that we will give them the necessary marketing and sales dollars that we are doing a far better understanding and analysis that those dollars are being spent for higher lifecycle value customers versus customers that where we have to chase every year as the brand new customers. It's not doesn't mean we will not completely give up on some of those opportunistic moments, but we're going to be very diligent and judicious in how we spend our dollars going forward. We're going to look at geographies, which white spaces, where that is help with an acquisition for acceleration. We're spending a lot of money. We're going to look at branches that are underperforming and how we help them grow in the right way. So there's going to be a plus and minus takes there Gary, it's going to be done with a very clear good analytical approach and there are certain geographies and territories, which you know we have to look at the overall profitability. As I mentioned my green one day is to have over 310 million plus type operations around this business with brain CEO type mentality where we provide the backbone with the brain the capability, the digital signal capabilities in processes. But we pretty much leave them alone because they should know their local market so well that they become unparalleled leaders and how they serve these regions. But we've also go to pick on, which where we want to put our higher bets on and that's something that has to be done without any good solid performance company does that, we just got to get there.

Gary Bisbee

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks. That's helpful.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. Mr. Turcotte, we have no further questions on the line. I'll turn it back to you for any closing remarks.

Brian Turcotte

Management

Thank you again for your patience in today's call and webcast. As a reminder, a replay of the call will be available on our website about one hour from now. We look forward to speaking with you on our first quarter 2018 earnings call currently scheduled for May 1. Have a great day. Take care.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation. I'll ask you disconnect your lines. Have a good day everyone.