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Select Medical Holdings Corporation (SEM)

Q3 2022 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 4, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and thank you for joining us today for Select Medical Holdings Corporation's Earnings Conference Call to discuss the Third Quarter 2022 Results and the Company's Business Outlook. Speaking today are the company's Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Robert Ortenzio and the company's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Martin Jackson. Management will give you an overview of the quarter and then open the call for questions. Before we get started, we would like to remind you that this conference call may contain forward looking statements regarding future events or the future financial performance of the company including without limitation statements regarding operating results growth opportunities and other statements that refer to Select Medical's plans, expectations, strategies, intentions, and beliefs. These forward looking statements are based on the information available to management of Select Medical today and the company assumes no obligation to update these statements as circumstances change. At this time, I will turn the call over to Mr. Robert Ortenzio.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning everyone. Welcome to Select Medical's earnings call for the third quarter of 2022. Before I give some detail on each of our divisions, I'd like to provide some overall commentary on the quarter. This quarter we have continued to focus on recruitment training and retention of personnel throughout the organization and most specifically on the critical illness recovery hospital divisions. These efforts have been successful as we set the stage for future performance. I'd like to commend our entire team as they continue to meet the challenges head on while raising remaining committed to providing exceptional patient employee experience. Throughout 2022, our diversification has provided us the opportunity to offset difficulties we may have encountered in particular line of business. We couldn't be more pleased with the performance of both our inpatient rehab hospital and Concentra divisions this quarter. The inpatient rehab division exceeded prior year revenue, occupancy, and adjusted EBITDA. We recently announced the expansion of our partnership with UPMC to open a 35-bed freestanding rehab hospital in central Pennsylvania with targeted 2023 opening. The development pipeline for inpatient rehab division is strong and the division is poised for continued success. Concentra's volume continues to grow and they have consistently exceeded expectations. This quarter Concentra opened one de novo clinic in Waukesha, Wisconsin and signed four leases for additional de novo clinics. Three are expected to open by year end with one located in Wisconsin and two in Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania. The fourth de novo in Columbus Ohio will open in 2023. On the acquisition front, agreement has been signed to acquire a clinic in Tulsa, Oklahoma which is set to close by the end of the year. There continues to be a healthy pipeline for potential future de novo and acquisition targets on…

Martin Jackson

Management

Great. Thank you, Bob, and good morning, everyone. I would first like to provide some additional detail regarding our labor costs, within the critical illness recovery hospitals division. As in the prior quarter, we've seen a significant sequential reduction from Q2 of '22 to Q3 of '22 on agency rates, utilization and total agency expenses. We realized a 22% reduction in agency rates during the period from $111 an hour to $86 an hour. We saw a 33% drop in agency utilization from 32.9% to 21.9%. And a 51% reduction in agency costs from $56.4 million, down to $29.7 million. Also, consistent with prior quarter, we continue to see significant reductions of these categories within the third quarter. We saw a reduction from July to September of 11% on the rate from $93 to $83, a 12% reduction on the agency utilization from 23.4% to 20.5%, and a 21% reduction for overall agency expense from $11.2 million to $8.8 million. Well, we have seen significant improvement in our direct RN agency costs, we have continued to experience elevated costs in orientation and instead of a sign on bonuses as we hire nurses to replace agency. We expect orientation and bonus costs to start returning to normalized levels in Q1 '23, taking into account the appropriate amount of training time to onboard nurses which is approximately seven to eight weeks. In other areas of opportunity we have our hospital administrative costs, which are fixed. During the pandemic, our focus was providing all the necessary resources needed to care for our patients. Now that we're coming out of the other side of the pandemic, there appears to be some opportunities to reduce administrative costs at the hospital level. With the continued improvements in our indirect labor costs along with the anticipated reductions…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Justin Bowers with Deutsche Bank. You may proceed

Justin Bowers

Analyst

Hi Good morning, everyone. Marty, just in Bob you laid out a pretty substantial year-over-year increase in bonuses and indirect costs and admin costs in the LTACH segment and the kind of the labor environment was running a little high then as well. Just trying to get a sense, of where the opportunity is. In addition, obviously, you have the agency labor that's under pretty decent control levels at this point. But in terms of, helping us bridge from Q3 and Q4 to Q1 to that 55 to 57 target rate is it the kind of the assumption that you'd be able to go back to the Q3 2021 levels or you know are you able to maybe, bring a little more savings on some of those increased indirect costs that you've been having, and at a high level is there any way to help us to help quantify kind of where the opportunity is, on maybe a quarterly or annual basis?

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yeah, Justin. great question. I think the way to take a look at it is obviously, we went through a once in a lifetime issue with the nursing costs, the costs were rose very significantly and I think to get back to the norm we basically, utilize three pools of nurses, we take a look at our full time nurses our PRN and agency nurses. Historically, what you've seen is direct RN nursing hours for full time was about 70%, for PRN was about 15 to 16% and agency made up the difference. What we saw during in particular the latter part of last year, and the first two quarters of this year, was significant increases in the dollars paid to travel nurses. And so those nurses in essence left the full-time workforce to go trap. So we saw as I mentioned, 70% on a full-time basis 66% to 70% on a full-time basis. We saw that go well under 50%, as rates went from historically $72 to $78 an hour, to in January of this year $151 an hour. Those rates as I mentioned on the call, are now down for us are now down to $83 an hour. So what we're seeing, are nurses leaving the travel area, and moving back to full-time. And as they move back to full-time, we're hiring them. We're hiring -- I mean I think if you take a look at year-to-date, between 2021 and 2022, we've hired 70% more nurses. So as we see it that really is an investment, in the future and getting back to that full-time percentage of 66% to 70%. I think the other way, to think about it is during this period of time, we in essence have -- we're paying to our end for 1 R FTE. So we're training nurses. It typically, takes about two months to do that. We're also having agency nurses take care of the patients. So, once they go through training those nurses will replace the agency nurses and you'll see the costs come down significantly -- so I'll leave it at that and see if you have any follow-up questions.

Justin Bowers

Analyst

I guess one of the just to oversimplify things, it would be one way to think about it would be all right. So if you're hiring and I'm just going to put out round numbers out there, if you're hiring 300 nurses in a given quarter, they're not necessarily going to be productive, during that period because of the training cost -- the training that you mentioned, and effectively you can think of those 300 as being part of that double nurses that you're carrying during the quarter, is that -- is that sort of the correct interpretation? And then the follow-up there would be just, on the overall -- on the base wages, some of your peers are seeing pressure there as well and you've talked about kind of what their underlying rates are? Where have you guys been in terms of the base, for this year or over the pandemic? And then going forward, what's kind of like the underlying inflation there? That would be helpful.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yeah. As far as the base salary for our full-time employees, what we've seen over the past two years is about a 10% increase. So, and then, we've actually supplemented that with incentive bonuses, but what we're looking at is an annual increase in that 5% range customer, Justin.

Justin Bowers

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And just one quick one. Can you -- go ahead.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

No. You had mentioned the – assuming the $300 million was the number is much higher than that. But in essence those are – they're not just inefficient. I mean, they're basically being trained, so they're not in the direct workforce at all. So again, getting back to that – the thought that in essence we have two full-time nurses for one full-time position.

Justin Bowers

Analyst

Understood. And then the – I think that's where people are having difficulty bridging the gap, and not seeing the flow through from the increased agency savings? And then just on the new facilities that you guys have coming online, what's kind of the phasing for the LTACH roughly?

Robert Ortenzio

Management

For the – you're talking about for the four new critical illness hospitals that we have that I mentioned in my comments?

Justin Bowers

Analyst

Yeah, yeah.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yeah. They come – I think – I think we have them as coming throughout the year probably Q2 through the end of the year.

Justin Bowers

Analyst

Okay. Appreciate it. I’ll hop back in queue.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Kevin Fischbeck with Bank of America. You may proceed.

Joanna Gajuk

Analyst · Bank of America. You may proceed.

This is Joanna Gajuk, filling in for Kevin. Thanks for taking the question here. So just to follow up on the – one of the last comments around the wage increases. You said experienced about an average 5% annual in the last two years. So as we look forward, do you expect a similar increases to continue at least into next year, or are you expecting something different?

Martin Jackson

Management

Yeah. I mean, for us, Joanna, it really is – it depends what's going on in the marketplace. We could certainly see a 5% that the economy is high, if there's a recession. That's normally time frames where we see the rates really moderate. So if you take a look at where we were in 2008, 2009 we literally saw increases in that 1% range through that period of time through 2014. So we think, if there is a recession that will certainly be a benefit to additional supply of nurses in the market, therefore, moderating the base rate.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yeah. I think that's an important point that Marty makes. I mean, there is some uncertainty around – even though we're seeing a downturn in the economy, as most of you know, the labor market still remains pretty – pretty robust. And I think that, there is some expectation around that softening as well as the Fed continues to be aggressive. So, we'll see. There are some people who feel that, this economy and inflation is not going to come under control until, we start seeing unemployment tick up a little bit. If that's the case that will actually be a benefit for us in terms of labor at our hospitals. Because as you know and particularly in nursing, they nurses, there are a lot of people with nursing licenses and they can come off the sidelines pretty quickly and add to your labor force and particularly in PRN or some -- taking some shifts which can really quickly assist with the ability to bring them on.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst · Bank of America. You may proceed.

Exactly. And I guess also on the flip side in terms of pricing outlook. So can you talk about that by your segments is we have the redevelop for the critical in hospitals, but also can you talk about the commercial payers and their positiveness I guess to the labor pressure what rate increases specifically, if you can give us ranges you expect going into next year and after that? And I guess in other segments any color there in terms of the IRF or Concentra and outpatient processing outlook? Thank you.

Martin Jackson

Management

Sure, Joanna. As you know on the Medicare side that's basically fixed and that's primarily on the inpatient side. And there's typically about an 18- to 24-month lag on that. With regards to commercial, as you might expect, it's hand-to-hand combat. We're always we're looking for high single-digit rate increases just like CPI. And we've been moderately successful at achieving that in a number of cases, but we still have a long way to go.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst · Bank of America. You may proceed.

And also I guess on that from the pricing commentary in your IRF segment are your relationships in your joint ventures? Are those helping at all with rates? Thank you.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

I'd say very much so. On the -- I mean Marty's comments on the negotiation for the commercial rates on the critical illness side really are it's different when you look at different segments and pockets of our geographic scope. But I think on the IRF side because most of our hospitals are partnered with large systems. We have much more pricing power there than we do probably on the critical on the side.

Kevin Fischbeck

Analyst · Bank of America. You may proceed.

Great. Thank you for the color.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Hendrix with RBC Capital Markets. You may proceed.

Ben Hendrix

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. You may proceed.

Thank you very much. Could you talk a little bit more about capital allocation priorities and how you're balancing your de Novo and M&A opportunities versus the returning capital to shareholders and then also debt pay down kind of considering where leverage is. Can maybe how those priorities have evolved and how you believe they will kind of evolve into next year? Thanks.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Well, first of all, we think that the Board declaring the dividend for this quarter I think you can expect that to continue. I think we're committed to that. The -- we made a point of calling out some of the de Novo and acquisition opportunities at both Concentra and outpatient I think that we'll continue to allocate capital in that area because frankly the valuations are very compelling and the nominal dollars are just frankly not that high. Where we tend to have bigger capital allocation is when we build new rehab hospitals, but with really strong partners that will continue to be a priority. If we can do a hospital with a strong partner or add a hospital in one of our joint venture markets. That's something that I think you could expect us to do. I think the thing that would be a much lower priority would be any acquisitions of size. I wouldn't expect over the next year to see the company really take on anything that's of significant capital requirement for a larger acquisition inside any of the four divisions for right now. I mean we have the labor to focus on bringing EBITDA back to hit some of our 2023 goals. So that's how we would generally I think about how you think about capital allocation. Marty, do you want to add anything to that?

Martin Jackson

Management

Sure. I think the other thing Ben is when you take a look at paying down debt, the only area I think we'd be focused on is paying down the revolver. The other -- our other debt obligations are senior notes and our term loan right now we're pretty well protected by the cap through September 24. That rate is on the $2.1 billion that rate is maximum is 3.5%. So from that perspective we will certainly keep that in place.

Ben Hendrix

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. You may proceed.

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Bill Sutherland with The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Thanks. Good morning, everybody. I just wanted to just think about the SWB to revenue ratio a little bit Marty. I appreciate the color on that. What was that ratio of pre-COVID marked in a range that you saw there?

Martin Jackson

Management

Yes, Bill, that range was in the 51% to 52% range. And that period of time is from 2018 to 2020.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Okay. And you want to get -- you think, based on all the steps you're taking, including the indirect that I haven't thought about until you went into that, you believe you can get back to the mid-50s?

Martin Jackson

Management

Our expectation is by beginning of next year, I mean, we'll be in the 55% to 57% range.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Okay.

Martin Jackson

Management

And that's based on the cost side. As you know, that's really made up of, not just the cost, but also the revenue. So if we were getting some higher rate increases that should be beneficial to potentially take that down even further.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

But I suppose we need to think about kind of the new normal, regardless of -- I mean, the mix that you pointed out between permanent PRN and agency is obviously the biggest lever. But we've had a catch-up, I would say, with new and overall rates for nurses permanent and agency that I can't imagine with the shortage is going to -- it's just going to probably -- after the step function increase, going to continue to move up at a more normal rate. Is that what you're thinking?

Martin Jackson

Management

Well, I think, again, Bill, our focus is, what's going to happen in the future is going to be difficult to predict, right? So, I think, we have mentioned to the extent that there's a recession in place, that's going to have a moderating effect on any increases. So, I think, going through 2023 we'll be taking a look at that on a consistent basis. But as I had mentioned, going from 2020 to 2022, we saw increases of about 10% or annualized about 5%. I mean, we can certainly continue to take a look at that. I think we're assuming somewhere in that 4% range for increase.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

You all haven't had any labor disruption issues, have you, like the acute care systems?

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Define disruption.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Ticketing, staying out.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

No, we have not.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Yes. Bob, you mentioned the outpatient rehab had an issue with increased COVID leave. I was a little surprised at that in the quarter. Were you all surprised?

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yes, a little bit. I think, we were. I mean, whenever -- because these outpatient locations, they're small and think of them as almost retail locations and you think about therapists close proximity to their patients. So any sickness even before a COVID test or therapist and staff will appropriately call off, right? And when you think about a typical therapy location, unlike a hospital there may only be one or two therapists in that location. So when one is out for a day, you just -- you lose an awful lot of revenue. And so, until they get tested and are clear to come back. So we talk about it as efficiency and it may not even be the right word, because when you think about work efficiency, you think of somebody working efficiently, but really what we're referring to is that you have a therapist that calls off in a clinic and there's just -- it goes to zero. I mean, there's no treatment. There's no revenue until, we either can get somebody else to come in to fill in, which is difficult for professional staff like a therapist or they get tested or they're whatever condition they have, they're comfortable can come back into the clinic. And I think our COVID leads were -- in the third quarter were 706 individuals. So that can be meaningful. I mean, you see it in the numbers. I mean, you'd have to define what's meaningful, but it does have an effect -- and that was -- that number that I just gave you was the highest amount since January of this year where it was like $8.50 and we know what situation we were in January was much more significant. So, yeah, we were surprised. But I think we continue to see that moderate. I mean, further we go into this.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

The only thing I'm thinking as you may have -- part of this is just an issue of more vulnerability. I'm thinking, flu. So, fingers crossed on that.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yeah. Of course and this does come back to the companies which is something that I've mentioned it does come back to our -- yeah, I think the benefit and the power of our diversification. I mean, the flu will -- the flu could affect the staffing in that area, but a bad flu season will also be a tailwind to our hospitals. And …

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Right.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

… we talked about the labor market. If we have a hard recession, it may be a benefit to staffing on critical illness, but that would be a headwind to our Concentra division which has performed just spectacularly over the last year and before. So this -- we do have that on both sides. And that was as we've built the company over the last 25 years that is a little bit intentional as we've tried to moderate our overall Medicare. We are about a 50-50 mix in our company between outpatient and inpatient. Concentra is fabulous ballast, that does very well in good economic times and staffing is benefited in our hospitals and more lean economic times.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst · The Benchmark Company. Your may proceed.

Yeah. No. I appreciate the portfolio balance sheet you guys have created. Thanks again. That's it for me.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Miles Highsmith with Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Miles Highsmith

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Hi. Good morning guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess I just wanted to go back to the critical illness margins and expenses. And sorry if you covered it there are a lot of numbers coming through. I guess first just to clarify, when you hire somebody and they're in that training period, am I right to think that they're getting paid their full-time rate during that eight, eight-week period, or is it different?

Martin Jackson

Management

Yes. They're full-time rate Miles as well as we're still experiencing sign on bonuses. So it's a full-time rate, plus some bonuses.

Miles Highsmith

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Okay. And then that was kind of my second question. I don't know if you've given us or willing to give it but, I was trying to kind of parse out the nuances of potentially paying for two nurses one during the training period and then another to care for the patient in many cases that the agency versus just kind of these indirect costs. I know you gave some percentages on the bonus expenses being up 40% in the quarter. Are you willing to give us like what that dollar amount was the additional dollar amount either relative to last year or just on an absolute basis this quarter, or maybe asking it differently are you willing to give us kind of indirect costs this quarter that might be considered more investments for the future, so we can try to parse out what's that duplicative piece versus kind of that temporary indirect piece?

Martin Jackson

Management

Well, what we can do, Miles, is give you an idea in terms of nominal dollars what we see as an investment moving forward, right? And that if you take a look at where we were the first second and third quarter, as we started to hire up more and more nurses in that second quarter, there was about an incremental increase of $7 million between the first and the second quarter. The delta between the second and the third quarter was an additional $20 million. So in essence you're trying about $27 million being -- what we perceive as an investment in basically replenishing the full-time pool of nurses that we have -- and that's on a quarterly basis. So you annualize that and it's in significant dollars. But again, I think our focus is to try to make sure that that full-time pool of nurses is pretty much up to where we expect to be for 2023, and I think we're pretty close to that.

Miles Highsmith

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Okay. That's super helpful. Thanks for that color. Last one, I think I heard you say your leverage calculation is 5.9% for the quarter. Are you -- was that correct, sorry?

Martin Jackson

Management

Yes, that's correct.

Miles Highsmith

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Okay. 5 million. Anything just in terms of kind of where you have a comfort level for a target leverage as we get into a more normalized times in 2022 and beyond?

Martin Jackson

Management

Yes. I mean I think 2023 with what we're looking at now, Miles, we anticipate to be in the four times range -- in that range

Miles Highsmith

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Okay.

Martin Jackson

Management

Okay.

Miles Highsmith

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. You may proceed.

Yes. Yes. Okay. Thanks a lot guys. Appreciate the time.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Thanks, Miles.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for question. Our next question comes from A.J. Rice with Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Hi, everybody. A couple of quick questions. First of all, when I look at the margin variation in the outpatient business, it sounds like you're attributing -- what part of it is labor and part of it is what you're doing with the EMR system. Can you -- is the labor piece -- you're saying that's strictly this COVID call outs, or is there anything else going on in the labor area that's worth highlighting and talking about on that -- in that division? And then on the EMR piece is that just for the third quarter and then you're done, or is that going to be elevated for a while? What's your thought on that?

Martin Jackson

Management

Let me address the EMR question first, A.J. Yes, it's elevated in the third quarter. There'll be a little elevation in the fourth quarter, but then we should turn -- we should basically have the same type of -- it will be a reduced number moving forward. When I say reduced from the third and the fourth quarter. So if we take a look at pre-third and fourth quarter, you ought to assume that the grades or the cost you see for that EMR will be what they were pre third and fourth quarter.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Okay. And then how about the labor? Was that strictly this COVID call out in the outpatient rehab business, or was there – are you starting to see pressure there as well on the labor issue?

Martin Jackson

Management

The COVID really was the predominant item that impacted clinical efficiency.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Okay, okay. Then just on your usage of agency, I think you're saying you're down to about $30 million in the third quarter. My sense and I may not have this right, but was the pre-Covid that was – you were sort of a $25 million to $30 million use of agency labor anyway. So does that mean the agency side is pretty much corrected and it's more of this normalizing the permanent staff and not having these duplicative trading costs. Is that how you assess the labor situation?

Martin Jackson

Management

Yes. I think if you take a look at the agency pre-pandemic, we were probably in that $80 million to $100 million range A.J. a year. So yes, I think we're – it really is that investment cost. And we see that as a one-time event with the training and the onboarding of the new nurses.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Okay, okay. I mean it sounds like you sort of have a time frame in which these onboarded nurses training will be done and you're expressing confidence in the 55% to 57% SWB as a percent of revenue, what incremental piece of information are you looking for to get back to starting to give guidance again on the operating income.

Martin Jackson

Management

Well right now A.J. the big item is labor. And as – I mean if you take a look at what's going on in labor market if the labor market continues the way we think it will, which we'll probably see over the next quarter or two, we'll be in a position to determine whether we feel comfortable giving guidance on EBITDA and EPS.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

Yes. A.J. we are going to think about it. I mean it's November already. We're going to go through the holidays in a couple of weeks Thanksgiving and Christmas, it will be into 2023. Everything that we have been doing and even as we've been talking about on this call is really pointing to next year. So if – as we run-off this training expense and so forth, we're looking for 2023 to be back to normal year. And if it is and we see that then we're going to return to giving guidance. At this point it just – right now, it would make no sense other than just given the revenue line that we have. So we're – for us even last quarter, it was not a question from the management team if we were going to get to where we expected to. It's just a question of the pace and how long it would take because what would be the pace of recruitment and the pace of onboarding and then little things pop up that are unexpected. I mean I would not have expected the COVID leave on the outpatient just surprised me in terms of where we are. So those things come up. I mean they're not material to the company but they show up. So I think that we have a pretty good chance of those things normalizing through the end of this year. We get through Christmas and we start the -- you're not, as you know I mean there's a lot of people out there that are saying there's new things coming wherever resurgence the flu is going to be greater than ever was. We don't know those things. And where they're going to manifest themselves over the next 30 days to 60 days. And when they do and we get through the holidays, I think, we could be back in a position to have businesses as usual normal and get back to being able to give the street -- more guidance.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Okay. That’s helpful. And maybe just a last one on the comments about the cap on the floating rate $2 billion of debt. Is -- are you at that 1% cap now so there's no further near-term impact from rising interest rates? And is -- are you 100% fixed on that? Can you just give us expand on that just a little bit more?

Martin Jackson

Management

Sure. A.J., yes, we're well in excess of the 1% cap. I mean, I think...

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

I do not know if that 1% over some benchmark right or whether that was absolutely 1%.

Martin Jackson

Management

Well, it's 1% is the LIBOR rate and then you have a -- with the spread on top of that our spread is in the $250 million range. So all-in you're looking at maximum 3.5%.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

I got you. You're – obviously, you're there at this point.

Martin Jackson

Management

Yes.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

And is that 100% of your debt that is covered or sort of fixed at least through 2024?

Martin Jackson

Management

Well, you've got -- we've got really two large portions of debt $2.1 billion of floating. So $2 billion of the $2.1 billion is covered. And then we've got fixed $1.225 billion as fixed.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Right.

Martin Jackson

Management

Yes that -- it's everything. Now there is a portion there is -- we don't have any coverage on the revolver. So we are seeing some higher cost there. But we see our ability to pay that down over the next year is pretty probable.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Okay. How much is the revolver drawn now at this point just roughly?

Martin Jackson

Management

I think its about $310, I'm sorry 380.

A.J. Rice

Analyst · Credit Suisse. You may proceed.

Okay. All right. That’s great. Thanks so much. End of Q&A:

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Ortenzio for any further remarks.

Robert Ortenzio

Management

No further comments. Thank all of you for joining us. And thank you, operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.