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Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Tue, May 16, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Sea Limited First Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Min Ju Song. Please go ahead.

Min Ju Song

Analyst

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Sea's 2023 first quarter earnings conference call. I am Min Ju Song from Sea's Group Chief Corporate Officer's office. Before we continue, I would like to remind you that we may make forward-looking statements, which are inherently subject to risks and uncertainties and may not be realized in the future for various reasons as stated in our press release. Also, this call includes a discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA. We believe these measures can enhance our investors' understanding of the actual cash flows of our major businesses when used as a complement to our GAAP disclosures. For a discussion of the use of non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliation with the closest GAAP measures, please refer to the section on non-GAAP financial measures in our press release. I have with me Sea's Chairman and Group Chief Executive Officer, Forrest Li; Group Chief Financial Officer, Tony Hou; and Group Chief Corporate Officer, Yanjun Wang. Our management will share strategy and business updates, operating highlights and financial performance for the fourth quarter and full year of 2023. This will be followed by a Q&A session in which we welcome any questions you have. With that, let me turn the call over to Forrest.

Forrest Li

Analyst

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. On May 8, we celebrated our 14th birthday. It is a chance to remind ourselves of our humble beginnings and the culture of entrepreneurship, creativity and adaptability that has made Sea what we are today. It also gives us an opportunity to reflect on the year gone by. The last year has been testing for our teams and I want to take this opportunity to thank all of our employees for their dedication and the determination they have shown. I'm proud of how our teams pivoted rapidly in difficult circumstances to achieve our goal of self-sufficiency. We have innovated to do more with fewer resources, while never losing sight of our commitment to our users and never letting our service vendors fall. Our results for the quarter are testament to their commitment and creativity. I also want to take this opportunity to thank our investors and partners for your ongoing support over the last 14 years. The first quarter of 2023 was another strong quarter for us across our businesses. We're focused on maximizing operational efficiency and improving user experiences. We continued to make meaningful progress on both fronts. We deepened our commitment to achieving strong cost leadership for our ecosystem. We believe this will reinforce our structural advantages in driving profitable long-term growth in our markets. As a result, we continued to see significant year-on-year improvement in profitability of both Shopee and SeaMoney. We also achieved positive total cash flow for the quarter. Our cash, cash equivalents, short-term investments, and other treasury investments increased by $258 million from the previous quarter. In addition, we made solid progress in elevating user experiences across our businesses. At Shopee, we're driving improvements in both logistics service level and speed, while enhancing experiences at…

Valor

Analyst

At the same time, our pipeline remains healthy and we will be launching some new titles in the coming months. We have opened pre-registrations Undawn, an open-world survival game, which we will publish across Southeast Asia in the coming months. We will also be publishing Black Cloud Mobile, an action RPG mobile title based on the popular anime series Black Clover across a number of markets globally. Pre registrations are expected to open within the first half of the year following the conclusion of a closed beta test held last year. As with other business segments, we have been very focused on enhancing our operations at Garena with AI. Our current capabilities have allowed us to improve the overall efficiency of our game operations. For example, we are exploring opportunities to leverage AI to localize some of our game content and to further advance our operational capabilities for higher efficiencies. We are confident that these initiatives combined with our strong track record in execution and the localization will help drive the long-term success of Garena. Lastly, moving on to our digital financial services business. We're enhancing our operations and the risk management capabilities while improving the user experience for SeaMoney. We have also been working to diversify our fintech product offerings, both on and off the Shopee platform and across different markets to enhance user thickness. SeaMoney's GAAP revenue was $413 million in the first quarter of 2023, up 75% year-on-year, and adjusted EBITDA was $99 million during the quarter, a substantial improvement from a loss of $125 million in the first quarter of 2022. This was driven by both strong top line growth and our ongoing effort to optimize costs and improve efficiency, particularly around sales and marketing expenses. On digital wallet, we continued to expand Shopee pace use cases. For instance, it recently became a payment method for Apple Services in our Southeast Asia market. On credit, as of the end of the first quarter of 2023, the total loans receivable on our balance sheet was $2 billion, net of allowance for credit loss of $281 million. Nonperforming loans passed due by more than 90 days as a percentage of our total gross loans receivable remained stable at around 2%. During the quarter, we continued to diversify the sources of funding for our credit business. In addition to funding through our own bank deposits, we have seen increased volume funded through channeling arrangements or electoral asset backed facilities with local and regional banks. We are working to further diversify our funding sources to broader financial investors.

InsurTech

Analyst

In addition, we have further integrated many of these products into our broader ecosystem, making the user experience seamless across Shopee and SeaMoney. We remain focused on evaluating opportunities in digital financial services across our market and enriching our product and service offerings. We are confident in SeaMoney's long-term potential and are very carefully managing the business amid the macro uncertainties. We believe we are well positioned to capture significant and underserved opportunities available in our markets. To conclude, our results for the quarter once again, demonstrate the fundamental strength and the resilience of our business model, and our ability to drive efficiency improvements while maintaining our leadership position. We are confident that we can continue to create value for our ecosystem participants as well as delivering long-term growth and sustainable returns to our shareholders. Separately, as we noted in our press release earlier today, David Ma has joined our Board of Directors as of May 15th and will no longer serve as the Chief Investment Officer of Sea Capital. David has played an invaluable role as a member of our leadership team. I would like to express our sincere thanks to him for his contributions in this position. I'm very glad that we'll continue to benefit from his expertise and experience in his new role as a Member of our Board. With that, I will invite Tony to discuss our financials.

Tony Hou

Analyst

Thank you, Forrest and thanks to everyone for joining the call. We have included detailed financial schedules, together with the corresponding management analysis in today's press release, and Forrest has discussed some of our financial highlights, so I will focus my comments on the other relevant metrics. For Sea overall total GAAP revenue increased 5% year-on-year to $3 billion. This was primarily driven by the improved monetization in our e-commerce and digital financial service businesses partially offset by lower GAAP revenue in our digital entertainment business. On e-commerce, our first quarter GAAP revenue of $2.1 billion included GAAP marketplace revenue of $1.8 billion, up 46% year-on-year and GAAP product revenue of $0.2 billion. Within GAAP marketplace revenue, core marketplace revenue, mainly consisting of transaction based fees and advertising revenues was $1.2 billion, whereas value added services revenue, mainly consisting of revenues related to logistic services was $0.7 billion. E-commerce adjusted EBITDA was $208 million in the first quarter of 2023 compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $743 million in the first quarter of 2022. Digital entertainment bookings were $462 million, and GAAP revenue was $540 million. Adjusted EBITDA was $230 million. Digital financial services GAAP revenue was up by 75% year-on-year to $413 million. This was mainly driven by the growth in our credit business. Adjusted EBITDA was $99 million in the first quarter of 2023 compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $125 million in the first quarter of 2022. Improvements in the bottom line were driven by both strong top line growth and optimization of sales and marketing spend. We recognized a net non-operating income of $23 million in the first quarter of 2023 compared to a net non-operating loss of $6 million in the quarter of 2022. The higher net non-operating income was mainly due to higher interest income from higher yields. We had a net income tax expense of $62 million in the first quarter of 2023 compared to net income tax expense of $82 million in the first quarter of 2022. As a result, net income was $87 million in the first quarter of 2023 as compared to net loss of $580 million in the first quarter of 2022. With that, let me turn the call to Min Ju.

Min Ju Song

Analyst

Thank you, Forrest and Tony. We are now ready to open the call for questions. As usual, our Group Chief Corporate Officer, Yanjun Wang will lead this part. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Pang Vitt from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Pang Vitt

Analyst

Good afternoon everyone, and thank you very much for the opportunity. Four questions from my side. Number one on Shopee. Can you provide more color on the current trend that you see? Are we seeing any further slowdown in GMV momentum in the quarter? And what kind of takeaway trend do we see now? Number two, also related to Shopee. Can you comment on the current strategy for Shopee going into the rest of the year? Should we expect to see Shopee reinvesting to grow more into the later part or you will focus on further expanding on the margins? What type of growth should we expect and if we if you plan to reinvest, where will you spend money on? And number three, it will be related to gaming, cross booking fees, further pressure, but we see margins continue to expand nicely. What's the current strategy for the division with the recent peak in monthly upkeep user for Free Fire? Are we already seeing some stabilized train for the game? When should we expect bottom line to bottom out, sorry, the top line to bottom out in the year? And lastly, for US SeaMoney business, why revenue continued to increase despite seeing your loan book largely flat quarter-on-quarter? Why do we also see the provision for credit loss on SeaMoney increase quarter-on-quarter as well?

Yanjun Wang

Analyst

Thank you, Pang for the questions. In terms of the Shopee growth, while we don't disclose GMV quarter-on-quarter, generally overall the trend has been consistent in terms of seasonality trends we are seeing quarter-on-quarter with last year's first quarter. And if we look at more details at the different markets, Indonesia showed relatively strong performance in Asia and Thailand and Malaysia also showed quarter-on-quarter growth. Of course we also see, continue to see tough year-on-year comps for the markets and in the rest of the markets in line with overall seasonality trends we are observing for Asia as we -- what we saw last year. And Brazil of course remained a gross market for us. As we mentioned earlier, Brazil is a -- we see significant opportunities there. We are only in Brazil for four years. So it's a relatively earlier market for us. However, we have achieved very significant scale being one of the leading e-commerce players especially on the local-to-local e-commerce marketplace targeting mass market segments in that country. And given our scale and operational efficiency we already achieved there, we believe we can breakeven any time, but we may continue to choose to invest in the market to capture the significant long-term opportunities we observe in the market. So that's a quick capture of the overall trends. In terms of the strategies for e-commerce, as we shared before, we think the long-term opportunities for both our Asian markets, as well as Latin American markets are very significant given the strong and positive demographic features, digital penetration, underdevelopment of infrastructure and long-term sorry, offline retail which gave more opportunity for digital penetration to go even further beyond some of the what we might have seen in some of the developed markets. And the early stage in terms of…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Piyush Choudhary from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Piyush Choudhary

Analyst

Yes, hi. Good evening and thanks for the call and opportunity to ask questions. Congratulations on a good set of numbers. Three questions. Firstly, on the e-commerce, could you tell us on the industry GMV growth trends across the markets in Asia and Brazil. Has it started to improve in 2Q so far? If not, then when do you expect acceleration in growth? And just some color on the competitive environment, what's the impact of TikTok and how you're trying to defend the market share there? Secondly, on the logistics, what percentage of -- if you can talk about your strategy over there what percentage of orders are fulfilled by Shopee Express and orders fulfilled within 24-hours. Is there a target which you have in mind? And thirdly, company is generating free cash flow now. So what would be your capital allocation priorities for growth investments? Would you restart growth investment in Brazil and Latin America or the markets or what level will make -- give that confidence to restart growth investments? Thank you.

Yanjun Wang

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Piyush. In terms of industry trends, given Shopee's relative size and we believe, generally, industry trends are in line with our trends that we've been observing for our own e-commerce platform, as I shared earlier. And it's hard to say what we're going to see immediately because on the one hand, I think our economies in Southeast Asia remained relatively resilient so far. And we haven't seen -- while the inflation trend is still ongoing. It hasn't caused major disruptions to the economy. And at the same time, we continue to see reopening trends. But on the other hand, there are still global macro uncertainty. And many of our economies are export-driven, which might be exposed to risks in global and uncertainties in global economies as well. So we remain -- we have to observe ongoing trends closely. It's a market-by-market and period-by-period assessment. As I shared earlier, some markets, for example, Indonesia, in particular, for us, which is also the largest market for us, performed quite well and remained relatively strong. In some other markets, there might be more year-on-year tough comps and then there will be other markets where we saw a start to some pickup and as reopening effects right now. On the other hand, it's still early to tell. So we'll -- again, our strategy is we remain very nimble and flexible we observed market very closely. And this has been our strength. We've been very close to each market. And having operational strength and profitability across all our markets allow us much more flexibility to invest from period to period of market and from market to market based on what makes the most sense at any particular point in time in that market. And that will be our immediate focus going forward.…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Alicia Yap from Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Alicia Yap

Analyst

Hello, hi. Yes. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. So I have a couple of quick ones. One is the follow-up on the quarterly active user growth. Do you think the trend that we saw this quarter will continue into the future quarter and if we can get a little bit qualitative comment in terms of the profile, of these new users? And is this driven by your effective marketing campaign? Or is it more driven by your content update? And then second question is, I think we still wanted to get more comfortable and the sense about the sustainable EBITDA margins and also how you would balance between we invest strategically to drive your top line growth while also maintaining a certain, expenses level and the margin level. So if you can elaborate what's your strategy over there will be helpful. Thank you.

Yanjun Wang

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Alicia. In terms of the trends for Free Fire, I think that looking at the active user base, we saw some initial signs, but also, as I mentioned, we continue to observe the trends going forward. We hope to stabilize also the active user base and as soon as we can as well, that's the effort the team is also focused on. In terms of the – again, this has not been the immediate focus. But as I shared, before that usually for a large DAU game, once you get a large user base, money follows. And in our past track record, we have shown very strong capability in monetizing across different user segments and periods. And in terms of the user profile and what's driving these initial positive signs. So I think the user profile hasn't really changed much the same target users we have originally because Free fire is a very massive DAU game. It's more of the largest games – mobile games in the world by – so it's a very broadly targeting general population and enjoy the highly diverse communities. And so in terms of the way we target them, as we shared earlier, it's by focusing on better user engagement, user experience, community building, and responding to user feedback on features, et cetera, as opposed to through marketing efforts. As you can see, our EBITDA margin actually hasn't really changed that much and actually improved a little bit quarter-on-quarter. So we're very careful about the sustainability of our long-term engagement with users all the efforts being directed at making Free fire into a long-term franchise and a large significant platform on which we can build on more new content and attract more users. We think that there's a very good chance this…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jiong Shao from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Jiong Shao

Analyst

Thank you very much for taking my questions. First, I want to make sure I heard you correctly. I think earlier, you mentioned that GMV for Q1 this year was consistent with Q1 last year. Did you mean by U.S. dollar terms or by constant currency? Could you also talk about the FX impact on your GMV or revenue for this quarter? And anything you can share about the number of orders for both Asia and Brazil. And lastly, any comments about your headquarter costs both year-over-year or quarter-over-quarter, anything even qualitatively would be great. Thank you.

Yanjun Wang

Analyst

Thank you, Jiong. In terms of GMV, as I mentioned, we don't discuss quarter-on-quarter GMV numbers specifically. And what I mentioned though was that the trend we're observing, the general trend Q-on-Q, observed for this quarter versus last quarter is in line as what we observed in Q1 last year versus Q4 2021. And in terms of ForEx impact, we disclosed that for our GAAP revenue in e-commerce on the constant currency basis, the GAAP revenue would be up 41.7% year-on-year. And on a USD basis, 6.3% year-on-year, so I think that probably gives you a sense of what the ForEx impact is. And in terms of our order number, again, we don't discuss specific order numbers quarter-on-quarter, but you can assume that our basket size doesn't change dramatically quarter-on-quarter anyway so roughly in line with GMV trends. In terms of HQ costs for the quarter, we continue to see improvement on the cost and of course, adjusting for any onetime accrual reversal that we had in the previous quarter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Varun Ahuja from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Varun Ahuja

Analyst

Yes. Hi, management. Thanks for the opportunity. I've got quick four questions. First, on the gaming side, can you provide an update on tenant site of first refusal. So it's coming up for September, October. So how should we think about that agreement and its impact potential? Secondly, on the sticking to Garena, on the margin side, it looks like going to launch some gains in the second half. So how should we think about margins given you may need to invest on marketing of the game? So it should trend down from current 50% that we have shown in the quarter. Third, on the e-commerce side, as kind of mentioned earlier, that you have now turned free cash flow positive on the overall company level, what's your aspiration on the overall Latin America markets. I understand you're still operating in some of the countries as or an export basis. So how should we think about it? Are you going to reinvest in those markets you have cut back once you have sizable cash flow. So how should we think about overall Latin over concern given now that you've turned free cash flow positive? Lastly, I'm not too sure if you have given that number. What is the total loan book size? I understand two is on your own balance sheet, but overall, what is the loan book side of CSS [ph]. Thank you.

Yanjun Wang

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Varun. And in terms of the – I believe your first question is regarding our agreement -- commercial agreement with Tencent for our game publishing. And I think we mentioned before, it's over renewal unless either party terminates it. We are not aware of any changing circumstances and the agreement is publicly filed, so you can refer to the terms there. And in terms of the margin for the new game launches. Now I think there will be some initial marketing spend, but again, we will remain highly disciplined and will be commensurate with the performance of the game overall and remain tight on that. So we do not, at this point, anticipate a major impact on marketing because of the marketing spend related to the new game launch. And in terms of the LatAm plans for Shopee, our focus is still on Brazil, which is the largest market in the region and where we already established a significant scale and leadership in the segment that we target. With respect to -- and then Brazil, obviously, is a local commerce market for us. And it's predominantly local sellers selling to local buyers on our platform. For the other Lat Am markets that we still retain some presence, we don't have an immediate plan to aggressively grow those markets and we'll remain efficient about those markets at this time. I think our loan book size disclosed is the amount on our balance sheet. And therefore, it doesn't reflect the entire loan book size, but you can refer to the past disclosure for reference. And we don't anticipate a significant increase in loan book size quarter-on-quarter immediately. Given, as I shared before, overall, our approach to the credit business is focused on risk management building up a resilient underwriting capabilities and also better user experiences.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Venugopal Garre from Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Venugopal Garre

Analyst

Hi, thanks a lot for the opportunity. Just very quick three small questions. On gaming, you mentioned about some new games in the second half of the year. I don't know whether I missed out on the comment, but are you talking about self-developed games? Or is it more related with publishing for others? That's the first question. The second thing is I'm sort of for whatever reason, not very sure around the strategy for e-commerce and growth versus profitability. While I do appreciate that a lot of comments have been made in this call. But what I want to understand is that the focus would be more centered around sustenance of market share and defending share. Or the focus would probably be at some stage about stimulating the market to deliver growth and deliver market share growth. The third question for me is on fintech. What do we see from here on the contribution from Singapore, Digibank given that it's still in early stages. But as I understand, a lot of your regulatory capital requirements would kick in over time. So is it something which is a priority in terms of the focus area? Thanks.

Yanjun Wang

Analyst

Yes. Thank you. The new games we mentioned in the pipeline are third-party published game for us, not self-developed. In terms of the Shopee strategy of growth versus profitability, as I mentioned earlier, I think at this point, longer term, we think we will continue to invest in the long-term growth opportunities being a profitable, sustainable way that also, hopefully, we can expand the profitable TAM for our region by focusing on user experience and the cost to service. But short-term, in terms of the profitability versus growth, again, we already achieved profitability. We're not focused on trying to maximize profitability in every market for every period. We are focusing on closely observing the market trends and allocate resources nimbly and adapt to the local market conditions from period to period, and from market to market. It's going to be a very bottom-up decision-making. And we are doing so to again strengthen our market leadership, but more importantly, for the long run to expand the total profitable TAM in our markets as a strong market leader. And I think that's a significant opportunity that we are really seeing. And in terms of the Marriott Bank in Singapore, it's still very early stage and so I want to have any material contribution whether the top line or bottom line. Yes…

Operator

Operator

In the interest of time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Min Ju Song for any closing remarks.

Min Ju Song

Analyst

Thank you. And thank you all for joining today's call. We look forward to speaking to all of you again next quarter.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.