Hamish Norton
Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead
Let's put it this way, at $70 it's a decent return on investment, at $150 or $200 or $250 it becomes better than a return on investment. What's crucial is demand for low sulfur refined products. Right now, basically since there is so little demand for jet fuel and diesel demand is somewhat suppressed, the most profitable low sulfur product of a refinery is low sulfur fuel for ships, which is very unfortunate from the point of view of the scrubber economic, but once jet fuel demand comes back and diesel demand comes back, it should be quite expensive for the refineries to produce a marginal barrel of low sulfur fuel for ships because the sulfur removal capacity at the refineries will be stretched, which is not today. So, the scrubber economics should come back faster than the increase in oil prices.
Q – Amit Mehrotra: Okay, that's interesting, and then the last question I had if I could, I guess this is Christos and Simos, you guys decide to put a press release -- in the press release the fact that you are compliant with all your covenants which obviously you are given the fact that the net debt is coming down of the company, but obviously, like that begs the question of like what is the covenant and how quickly are asset values declining relative to your ability to lower the liabilities of the company? And so, last quarter you were very helpful in terms of providing where the growth in net LTVs were. I guess the banks maybe look at around assets value basis. I don't know how you look at it internally, but it would be really helpful if you just help to think about the pro forma value is on a net gross basis, especially given there is a seller of assets seemingly if any price to diversify way until like a random kind of business, but I would just love to get your perspective on that.
A – Christos Begleris: So, there is a big buffer. The short answer, Amit, is that there is a big buffer in the value covenant that we have for our fleet. The corporate covenant that we have right now is at 70%, and that's on the basis of basically total debt over total assets including our cash. The net debt levels that we have for our fleet, which would yield sort an equivalent ratio to the covenant, based on the values that we as of the 30th of September because essentially those covenants are tested at the last day of each quarter, yields ratio that is in the mean 50s, and therefore, there is plenty of buffer and room even if any competitor flooded the market and the price further values by a larger extent.
Q – Amit Mehrotra: And, is that a value that you guys come up with, or is it an independent appraisal of the asset? Like, who comes up with what the value of the asset is at the end of the 90-day period?
A – Christos Begleris: We wish we could come up with our own evaluation, but that's definitely not the case, no, basically from the pre-selected group of valuers and it's likes of Clarksons, Braemar et cetera, so the big sort of brokerage houses.
Q – Amit Mehrotra: Got it. Okay, that's it from me guys. Thank you for the time. Have a good night.
A – Christos Begleris: Good night. Thank you.
A – Petros Pappas: Same to you.
Q – Amit Mehrotra: Thanks.