Petros Pappas
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
I think we are seeing exactly what you're seeing. I think we're seeing a couple of - seeing a major catastrophe in a dam, which also cost lives. And we're seeing potential disruptions in other mines, not because there was an accident, but because they want to go through testing those - the stability of those mines. And obviously, this has a negative effect on the market. This, we hope and we expect is going to be a short-term effect on the market, but - and the - but even if it isn't, and even if Brazil or Narvik in Norway, or Sept-Îles in Canada cannot actually cover for those lost tons. And I'm using these three places because the ton-miles are longer. And one has to - and China has to import those cargoes, let's say, from Australia, which is the closest place to China for iron ore. That I did actually the calculation and I said, okay, let's say that we have 30 million tons that need to be imported from closer places, what will the effect on the market be? So I did this calculation. I said, okay, 30 million tons means 150 vessels and the differential in sailing is 50 days per trip, so that 7,500 days, if you divide that by 360 days of a year, it means 21 vessels. 21 vessels less needed because 30 million tons of iron ore will not be exported by Brazil, but may be exported by Australia. This - the effect of that on demand is 1.25%. So we're talking about 1.25%. The psychological effect, of course, it's higher. And also, the fact that this happened during the slowest quarter of the year and as it is seasonally, and that it happened within one quarter, it has a bigger effect. So it could be also potentially positive for the next quarters like, if Brazil - if Vale manages to recover from this problem, we could see more exports towards the second half of the year. Or for example, if other countries compensated for those 30 million tons or whatever it's going to be, because Brazil's iron content in iron ore is higher than from other countries, it could be - it could mean that more tons are needed to be imported from other countries to compensate. And therefore that might, to an extent, compensate for the loss of the ton-miles. Now regarding coal, I - we see that two things. First of all, we see some bad weather in Australia, which has reduced the exports. And of course, on the other hand, this bad weather keeps vessels in port. But the effect - the negative effect on exports, I think, is probably higher. And we see something else which is very interesting. We see China delaying, there is no ban right now, but there's a delay in some ports of coking coal. And a vessel may arrive at the port and delay for, like, 50 days to get the license discharge, and I was wondering this afternoon why this may be happening. And I thought maybe if the China - the US-China war is over, China will have to import stuff from the US. And therefore, it is possible that the Chinese are delaying coke imports from Australia in order to be able to compensate from the US in case there is some agreement coming forth in the next few weeks. If that happens, then we would see a much stronger market obviously because their ton-miles are going to be much higher. So these are my answers on the two questions you posed.