Petros Pappas
Analyst · Deutsche Bank
Randy, this is Petros. I'd like to add couple of things here. First of all, operationally continuing with heavy fuel oil will not present any issues for us, and that's extremely important. We don't need to clean our tanks, we don't need to try new fuels, we don't need to use blends, which may be incompatible with each other. So operationally, it's going to be exactly the same way as it was for us, also legally. Because there's going to be a number of claims on any charters that transcend the 1st of January 2020. What kind of bunkers do the charters deliver, the diesel or fuel? What prices? It's going to be extremely difficult legally. For us, it doesn't change. We do with heavy fuel oil. The second thing I want to talk about was that when we say financially, yes, we would like to make a profit. And actually, personally I think that if the price differential, let's say, is between $250 and $300, we may be able to repay the scrubbers within a year or so. But the main financial consideration we have had in taking this decision was that we are hedging our future. Imagine, if in January 2020, the market is actually not good, we think it's going to be good, because we think there's going to be slow steaming, scrapping and stuff like that and off-hires. However, imagine a case where the market remains exactly the same as it is today in dollars per ton terms. In dollars per ton terms, it would mean that the guys that don't have scrubbers will actually have a higher cost. And if they were making, let's say, $13,000 a day on Kamsarmax, they may go down to $5,000 or $6,000 exactly because they will be paying higher bunker costs. And this come out of those dollars per ton. Where the people that have scrubbers may be lucky enough to face even lower heavy fuel oil prices. And that means that even under bad market circumstances, we may be able to make more than $13,000 a day. So a major driver and consideration for this decision of ours was to be able to hedge and not only survive, but do very well in a potentially slow market. If the market is strong, which we think it will be, then we'll just make a lot of money and we'll be all happy, and maybe we'll get some promote. But if it is slow, then we are securing the future of our company.