Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Saratoga Investment Corp's Fiscal Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2020 Financial Results Conference Call. Please note that today's call is being recorded. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, we will open the line for questions. [Operator Instructions]I would like to turn the call over to Saratoga Investment Corp's Chief Financial and Compliance Officer, Mr. Henri Steenkamp. Sir, please go ahead.

Thank you. I would like to welcome everyone to Saratoga Investment Corp's fiscal fourth quarter and fiscal year 2020 earnings conference call. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections. We ask you to refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause extra results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements and projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required to do so by law. Today, we will be referencing a presentation during our call. You can find our fiscal fourth quarter and fiscal year 2020 shareholder presentation in the events and presentation section of our Investor Relations website. A link to our IR page is in the earnings press release distributed last night. A replay of this conference call will also be available from 1pm today through May 14. Please refer to our earnings press release for details.I would now like to turn the call over to our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Christian Oberbeck, who will be making a few introductory remarks.

Thank you, Henri, and welcome, everyone. The past couple of months have been unprecedented in its impact across our business and the world. Coming off a record year of achievements in operating performance, we believe Saratoga is in a strong position heading into this calamitous health and economic environment. We look forward to summarizing these most recent results, as well as reviewing the solidity of our capital structure and liquidity on today's call. We're focused on ensuring the safety of our employees and the employees of our portfolio companies, while optimizing the management of our ongoing business activities. The company is working collaboratively with all our constituents to navigate the significant challenges presented by the COVID-19 pandemic. For instance, we've taken the necessary steps to ensure that our personnel can effectively operate remotely. Our senior management team and staff remain fully engaged and capable of working remotely. We have not experienced any significant operational limitations, and remain fully capable of providing any necessary support or service that our portfolio companies may require.We believe that our historically conservative approach to investing, leverage utilization, maintenance of solid levels of liquidity, conservative spillover management, and some good fortune have put us in our strongest position to date of balance sheet strength going into this uncertain and challenging time. While no business can anticipate with clarity how long the displacement in the market and global economy will last, we have confidence that our capital structure, liquidity, organization, and management experience will enable us to effectively navigate the grave challenges presented by the Coronavirus.The quality of our underwriting, reaffirmed further this year, has propelled us to the top ranks of our BDC competitors over the long term. Our performance metrics for fiscal 2020 were remarkably strong, and our accomplishments many, including the receipt of our…

Thank you, Chris. Slide 4 highlights our key performance metrics for the quarter ended February 29, 2020. When adjusting for the incentive fee accrual related to net capital gains in the second incentive fee calculation, adjusted NII of $6.8 million was up 11% from $6.1 million last quarter, and up 38% from $4.9 million as compared to last year's Q4. Adjusted NII per share was $0.61 down $0.05 from $0.66 per share last year, and unchanged from $0.61 per share last quarter. The decrease in adjusted NII per share from last year and the unchanged number from last quarter while adjusted NII increased for both periods was primarily due to a 49% increase in the number of weighted shares outstanding from last year and a 12% increase since last quarter.Weighted average common shares outstanding increased from 7.5 million shares for the three months ended February 28, 2019, to 10 million shares and 11.2 million shares for the three months ended November 30, 2019, and February 29, 2020, respectively. This impact was offset by the 21% increase in AUM in Q4 this year compared to last year. Adjusted NII yield was 9.3% when adjusted for the incentive fee accrual. This yield is down from 9.7% last quarter and 11.2% last year, primarily reflecting the impact of our growing NAV and the effect of our substantial undeployed cash on hand at year end.For this fourth quarter, we experienced a net gain on investments of $26.7 million or $2.39 per weighted average share, resulting in a total increase in net assets of $26.8 million or also $2.39 per share. The $26.7 million net gain on investments was comprised of $30.3 million in net realized gain, and $2.1 million of net deferred tax benefit on unrealized appreciation in Saratoga Investment's blocker subsidiaries, offset by…

Thank you, Henri. I'll take a couple of minutes to describe the current market as we see it and then comment on our current portfolio performance and investment strategy in light of the unprecedented impact of COVID-19. Well, the last fiscal quarter of 2020 was very similar to the market environment that had persisted over the last couple of years. The impact of the pandemic has altered market dynamics considerably. New platform originations in our market have nearly come to a halt. Most M&A processes have been suspended while buyers and sellers wait to better understand the impact of the pandemic.As a result, the deals that are getting done in this current market are generally not with new platforms but rather with existing portfolio companies that are either pursuing growth initiatives or seeking liquidity. The new capital that is being deployed in this market is generally at considerably higher spreads and lower leverage thresholds. In addition, the underwriting bar is much higher than usual, reflecting the current economic uncertainty. Some institutions appear to be practically out of the market for new capital deployment altogether.As a result of current economic conditions, we have been actively engaged with our portfolio companies. We have found that our portfolio companies are generally taking the right steps to help mitigate both near and long term effects of COVID-19 on their businesses. Our lower middle market portfolio companies have also been actively evaluating the programs and relief under the Coronavirus Aid Relief and Economic Security Act or CARES Act, stimulus package that may be available to assist them as they navigate the impact of COVID-19 on their businesses. Many of them have been able to avail themselves of the Paycheck Protection Program or PPP loan relief.All of our loans in our portfolio are paying according to…

Thank you, Mike. As highlighted before and illustrated on slide 19, we paid a quarterly cash dividend for the past five years. A dividend that is increased each year, with the exception of the last quarter, has increased every single quarter. We lead the industry and dividend growth over the long term. However, in light of the massive uncertainties that currently exist in the economy, to ensure we retain sufficient liquidity to not only support our current portfolio companies during these challenging times, but also to create new important relationships for the near and long-term to the provision of critically needed liquidity to small businesses. We believe it is in the best near and long-term interests of our shareholders, our portfolio companies and our constituent community to maintain a conservative approach to our dividend policy at this time of extreme uncertainty.Furthermore, while many BDCs have spillover obligations representing taxable income yet to be distributed from prior years, we have historically managed our distributions so we are current with all ordinary taxable income obligations, creating a kind of rainy day company liquidity. As a result of this historically conservative management practice, Saratoga investment is not required to pay current dividends related to historical earnings and has the flexibility to preserve precious liquidity in this challenging market environment.For these reasons, and as can be seen on slide 20, the Board of Directors has decided to defer our dividend for the quarter ended February 29th, 2020. We will continue to reassess this decision on at least a quarterly basis, as we gain more visibility on the economy and portfolio company performance. Moving to slide 21, our total returns in the last 12 months, which includes both capital appreciation and dividends, has generated total returns of negative 36% in line with the BDC index…

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tim Hayes of B. Riley FBR. Your line is open.

Hey, good morning, guys. Congrats on a really strong year and hope you're all doing well. My first question here, just a couple on credit and company portfolio trends, how many of your portfolio companies have requested forbearance at this point? And I know that you made some comments about payments so far, but have any missed payments in April or May at this point?

At this juncture, nobody has missed a payment. I think as I described in the prepared remarks, there are two portfolio companies for which we're actively- we've amended their loan agreements to accommodate the effects of COVID-19. One of those amendments has been completed and the other one is underway.

And what measures are you taking to modify loans? And, you know, just from a high level, you know, these two loans that you mentioned, and then going forward as forbearance requests increase, is it more about deferring principal or interest payments? Or are you reducing covenants? You know, just again, what measures are you taking to provide some relief?

Those are good questions. And the answer is that it's too early to tell. I think, you know, as I described, a couple portfolio companies that were more active in managing their loan agreements to accommodate the effects of COVID-19. You know, virtually every business is being impacted to some degree, some more than others. But it's just so early to really tell what the impacts will be. It's difficult to answer that question, I will say this. We have most of the accommodations that we've made, or the covenant modifications that we've made for our portfolio companies have really been to allow for companies to access the PPP program, which is unsecured debt, generally, beneath us in the balance sheet and hopefully forgiven down the road. But those are modifications that we certainly have made. But for the by-and-large throughout our portfolio, we have not to date, except for the two that I mentioned, had to make any modifications to accommodate the effects of COVID-19.But I would point out that it's just really early. I think none of us really know what those effects are going to be. We're monitoring our portfolio very actively, that's what we're spending 90% of our time doing as a team and so we're we feel very comfortable that we're on top of understanding their performance, but some of this is taking place in real time. So it's difficult to say how many more companies may need modifications, but so far, it's been just a few.

That's helpful. And then, on the PPP program, I know you mentioned several portfolio companies are trying to tap that. Can you just size approximately how many of your borrowers have applied for PPP funding and how many have either been approved or received funds?

I can tell you that the majority of them have. If you think about the size standards that relate to the PPP program, that's our core market. So to the extent that any of them can qualify and feel like they can attest to potentially being impacted by COVID-19, then in most cases, they're applying. There are some restrictions on private equity funds accessing the PPP program so that sometimes comes into play, as well. But the majority of the portfolio has accessed the PPP program and has received PPP funding.

Okay, good to hear. And then one more for me and I'll hop back in the queue. If we could maybe just- I know it's a board decision, but touch on the [Technical Difficulty]. But I just want to maybe get a little bit more color on the decision hearing. If this reflects your view of decision to defer the dividend, reflects your view of earnings power or credit deterioration that you are starting to see occur or expect to occur near-to-intermediate term or is this truly you just saying, we have no idea what could happen, we need to be in the most defensive position as possible and this is the first step in getting there?

Well, Tim, this is Chris, thank you for that question. I think you answered it very well in the second thing you said, and also, I think, if you listen to what Mike was saying about our portfolio, it's just too early to tell exactly what's going to happen. There's been a tremendous stimulus that's put into the system, the Fed's balance sheet, I don't know the exact number, but multi, multi, multi trillions of dollars have gone into the system to the Fed. You have the CARES program, you have the PPP, but I think it's important for all of us to remember that all this liquidity and stimulus is really important and welcome, but it's a bridge, not a solution. And until the economy comes back in some shape or form, we just don't know how it's going to affect all these businesses.Now obviously, if you're in retail or if you're in taxi business or restaurants or sporting events and things like that clearly, it's a complete disaster right now, a lot of the other businesses that we're in, some of our recurring revenue software-type businesses has essentially been like no impact, but that's not indicative of what's to come. So a lot of what's going to happen is going to be driven, and we're learning more every single day, we've worked, we have more information and more visibility, and some our companies had one super negative scenario, but now with PPP it's not so negative, but is PPP going to be continued around next quarter, those are big questions. There's so much that we just don't know. And now with States coming back, and different businesses coming back slowly, we don't know what magnitude they're going to come back to, and then there's spillover.So even though we…

That's a very good color, Chris. Yes, go ahead, Mike.

Let me jump in here. We spent a lot of time on this question, but it's an important one and a natural one for anyone to ask in this environment. I think one thing I would add to what Chris said is that. If you step back, and we as management as we look at the situation, we continue to feel really good about the quality of our underwriting. Our track record historically supports how careful and measured we are as we invest in- make investments and grow our portfolio. Nothing related to COVID-19 has changed that confidence in our underwriting and what we believe is one of the premier underwriting teams in the business. But also, our senior management team has been around for a long time. We've been through a lot of cycles. And we've seen a lot of things. And I can tell you for sure, if you feel really good about your underwriting, and you really feel good about the quality of the businesses in your portfolio in a normalized world, and we're not in a normalized world, then you ask yourself, what is the primary risk? Well, the risk is the unknown. The risk is, how does COVID-19 play out over the next several months, is this- I don't think anyone feels like it's going to be a V recovery at this point.There was one point of talk of that, all of that stuff is developing in real time. And so, when we look at that and we assess the risk, it's really liquidity, can these strong portfolio companies get to the other end of this experience and do so with enough liquidity to manage their business and get back to a level of normalcy, that we expect to enjoy at some point, but we want to make sure to take every precaution to ensure that we in turn have liquidity to support them in case they need it, recognizing that the future of this COVID-19 scenario is just uncertain.

Yes, that makes sense, Mike. I appreciate the comments there, I'm going to hop back in the queue and stay well.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Casey Alexander, Compass Point, your line is open.

Good morning and congratulations on the Easy Ice outcome, fabulous investment and fortunate on the timing of the sale. A couple of questions, first for Mike; two questions. One, we've heard anecdotally and I'd like to get your view on it, that unlike what most people projected, that lower-middle market private equity sponsors are actually more cooperative in investing additional cash into their companies to help them get to the other side of the canyon than upper middle market companies have been. I'd be curious to hear what your experience has been and your dialogue with those lower-middle market private equity sponsors that represent companies in your portfolio.

Our dialogues - good morning, Casey. Sorry, just to jump right into the question. Our dialogue with our sponsors has been very healthy and constructive and very good. And by-and-large, we've seen lots of evidence of their willingness to support their portfolio investments as necessary. I can't really speak to how that compares to the larger end of the market, but we've seen our sponsors indicate that they're willing to be very supportive of their businesses by and large.

Okay. Secondly, you mentioned the PPP, but there's also the main street lending program, which for most middle market portfolio companies with a six times leverage attachment point after the loan, it's not really much available to most middle market companies. But given the attachment point, the average attachment point of your portfolio, it's likely broadly applicable to many of your portfolio companies and doesn't carry the affiliation issues. Have any of your companies considered going after some of the main street lending programs?

We haven't seen that to-date. That doesn't mean that that couldn't change, but we haven't seen that to-date. My understanding of that program, though, is it - it's less attractive in some other ways, in that the loans are not expected to be forgiven down the road. So I think people are probably looking at that program slightly differently as a result, but the core group of our portfolio falls within the PPP loan size and less so the latter.

Now, it's still cheaper than it's likely that they could get additional capital from you.

We have not seen much activity in that respect and that could change but we don't anticipate that to be a big factor in our portfolio.

So I just jump in for a second as well. I also think that that program is just in its infancy. It just come through as a comment period and there's a retention of 15% I believe now. So there's still some moving parts inside of that. And in one conversation with a major bank and they were not up to speed on it. I think, probably several weeks from now, I think there'll be a lot more information on it. It's just, it's really just in the very earliest stages. So again, more to come on that content than today.

Okay. Is it - given your comments regarding liquidity, is it fair to say that you have not also availed yourself of the share repurchase program subsequent to the end of the quarter?

That's correct.

Okay. Let me ask you a question because I go back to the days before you actually paid a quarterly dividend and the company was very familiar with the 80/20 scheme that is available to BDCs paying dividends, why did you choose not to go with the 80/20 scheme and thereby not interrupt the dividend contract that you have with your investors?

Okay. So I appreciate that question. And we did give a lot of consideration to that. I do recall and then I appreciate your having been with us back in those days and early followers and supporters of us. One of the elements of that is you get massive dilution effects in the stock and not all shareholders necessarily participate pro rata in that. And then in terms of the dilutive effects, they go on for years and they change all sorts of continuation metrics and things like that. So that is definitely something to consider, but we think that's more of a later resort rather than an early one. With regard to the dividends, the cost of us deferring these dividends is essentially relative to the company now. I'm not talking about how the shareholders are viewing receipt or non-receipt of the dividends, but for the company, the cost of deferring this is, right now is zero with us no cost to that to the extent we build spillover, ultimately that gets registered after December 31 of this year and then one would be paying 4% on that - on whatever the spillover is. So ultimately, the cost of deferral in the future could be 4%.Again, in these days, that's not a very large number relative to what the market costs are for baby bonds, for example, market-indicated prices for baby bonds. So it's essentially a zero cost alternative in the moment that we're in. And in terms of the dividends, we've been a real dividend player once we start doing the dividends. We just believe this COVID-19 pandemic is - hopefully we're overly conservative. But this is a completely unique scenario and people are going back to - some people going back to the 30s, some people going…

I can appreciate that unusual times always tend to expand my vocabulary because the term deferred dividend, I'm not sure has ever been presented to me before. Does deferred dividends mean that at the end of this fiscal year you may look to see how things have gone true up and revisit distributing the income that was created during this quarter or is it really an omission?

Well, I guess I would say that's a possibility. We wouldn't want to commit to anything, but I guess what I would just say Casey is that I feel like to a certain degree are - you just take spill [indiscernible]. Okay. So it's like reversed spillover. In other words, a lot of companies have spill over because they've actually not paid out. If it hadn't sat in the past that they could have. Right? They have not stayed current with their tax obligations. They've been borrowing from the future. We haven't been doing that. So our dividend is actually, and then Rick Rules allow you to have an entire year of arrearages in effect of your tax position and your distribution position. So we are in effect creating spillover and we're still are kind of as an asset as opposed to as a liability.So with regard to catching up all the dividends as the rules, I mean you've got to pay out everything. And you got to pay out all the taxable income that you owe. It's just we don't know it right now. And so back to your question about catching up on the dividend, that is a possibility, but that is a possibility among many possibilities depending on where we are at as we move into the fall. And I think that - should we get a reasonable recovery and should we the capital markets open up for BDCs and the like. Yes, that'd be a very different scenario than we're in right now. And so all things are on the table and as I said, we the management team are the largest shareholders here.And we take that very, very seriously. We're partners with our investors and not pursuing the dividend that affects all of us personally as well. So we're trying to do what's best. Our responsibility is to the company to maintain the company so that it comes out the other end of this strong and solid. And we also have responsibility to all the portfolio companies. And the last thing we want to do is be in a position where we can't help fund and bridge. As Mike was describing earlier, some of these companies may need a bridge in time. They're going to be fine in a year, but between now and then they may need some assistance. We want to make sure that we are in a position to support our portfolio companies because at the end of the day, over the long run, that's what our franchise is. And in times like this, if you can be supportive, you're going to create not only value for shareholders, but also franchise value through relationships with the sponsors and the grid sponsors that were involved with.

Let me ask you one more question. Did you consider a more thoughtful approach to this rather than catching? Because believe me, whether or not you have caught your investors by surprise. Did you think of a more thoughtful approach such as paying the dividends this quarter with the statement that this potential deferral was on the table depending upon how items played out. Because you've produced a record year - record NAV, super strong liquidity, super low leverage, and at the same point in time, you truly caught your shareholders by surprise by this.

When you say more thoughtful, we did give it a tremendous amount of thought. I think we are in kind of incredible - incredibly unique circumstance and that our year at that wonderful year ended on February 29th and essentially, the next month in March was the beginning. And people that are reporting today, they're really reporting two months of regular way and one month of COVID. So a lot of these results do not reflect what's really going on. And so the next quarter is what's going to - when people report on June, everybody's going to have a much different picture. I'm not going to say that's the picture because things will be going down and then they may be going up by that time.So we are in truly, truly extraordinary times, and I don't want to sound but [indiscernible] by saying that everybody knows that. But that's what informed our physician, Casey. We would love the luxury of going back into last year, but that's essentially - it's almost like ancient history in terms of what's actually going on right now. And we want to make sure that we don't - we have to make our decisions inside the current moment. And this current moment, as I said I don't want to lean on the Warren Buffet, but he's got more credibility perhaps than many, many people in the marketplace. And they're just maintaining as much cash liquidity as they possibly can until they see some more information on the direction.And so, I mean, I think in one of your reports and you write very well. I mean, you said, 'We're in a vacuum of information.' And that's very well said. We are, we're in a vacuum of information and then a vacuum of information - anything you do, you're better off not taking a step. You're better off holding back. And I certainly hope that we're proved wrong that we shouldn't have done this. Yes, that would be wonderful. Unfortunately, we're probably in a position where we're going to see a lot more people doing what we're doing, but they're still going to do it later after they've gone through some very precious liquidity that they're going to regret having gone through.

Is it safe? I'm just one last question. Is it safe to assume that any new investments will likely be restricted to the second SBIC subsidiary? Considering that that's where the majority - and I mean new companies. I understand outside, but new companies would be restricted simply because that's what the liquidity is?

Yeah Mike, go ahead.

I mean, it's just - I think as Chris was starting to say, it's not necessarily the case that is in a playbook that we'll stick to 100%, but more than likely. Clearly our desire to defer the decision - to defer the dividend this time is to preserve liquidity, to support our portfolio if it's necessary. As it relates to new investments, I would say that the bar is a lot higher, that our bar is already very high to begin with. It's a lot higher in this environment just purely because there's so much uncertainty as to which companies are going to continue to perform really well, which industries are going to be affected, how they're going to be affected and what really you can underwrite. But to answer your question more directly more than likely new investments in keeping with our desire to preserve liquidity would be considered out of that SBIC too.

All right, great. Thank you for taking my questions.

Okay. Thank you very much, Casey.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mickey Schleien of Ladenburg. Your Line is open.

So good morning, everyone. Listen, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I completely agree with Casey that you've caught everyone by surprise and you can see that in the stock price. So I just want to follow up in terms of capital gain distributions. So as you noted, you had no undistributed ordinary income on a tax basis, if I'm not mistaken, but I want to confirm that you also have no remaining capital loss carry forwards. Is that correct?

We have gone through our capital loss carry forwards and we do have a capital gain obligation under Rick Rules. And we also have an alternative to retain that and do it through a deemed dividend. We have until the end of the year until December 15th to make that decision.

And you're referring to ECI since census, which.

Right.

I think Henri reiterated some numbers. I thought those gains were 31 and 11, which amounts to about $3.75 [ph] per share, but I might be wrong. Henri what did you say in the prepared remarks?

Yes, so the actual gain was $51 million for ECI. We also had some tax planning strategies and some other actions that we took that helped preserve some of that gain into NAV. And so as I shared in my prepared remarks Mickey, the actual I guess carry forward now long-term capital gain that we have is $21 million. And that's the amount that is classified as long-term capital gain. And as that provides one with various options, as Chris mentioned, around how to distribute that. It also only needs to be distributed further out into the future.

I completely understand, but that's still roughly $2 a share. So my question is why not use that to sort of supplement the dividend along the lines of what Casey was asking now given that you'll either have to distribute that in cash or a team distribution at some point?

That's correct. And again, I think not to be - I'm not trying to be - slip out of cavalier in any way, but I don't know. Casey and you both said that, 'We caught our investors by surprise.' And I guess what I would say is that the COVID pandemic caught us by surprise and caught everybody else by surprise. And that surprise, really, ripe end in March into a very substantial degree and we're still living with it now. And no one knows what the answer is to that. And so that's - so our reaction, our actions or reaction to that event which occurred post and - so anyway, going back to your question about this - we don't need to make that decision or make any payments relative to that. We're not required to do that until the decision by December 15th and actually the payment not by February 28th of 2021; so there is some time there. So what - all of our actions are, are consistent in that they're all consistently geared towards maintaining liquidity.And look, we're not analysts, we're managers. But I must say in looking at the BDC, and we read a lot of reports about a lot of BDCs and all that, our number one criteria for BDCs would not be their dividend, it would be their quality of the NAV, and their liquidity position. That's how we think a BDC should be judged at this particular moment in time. Once we get back to some kind of, what people might call normalized or at least predictable economic environment, that would- things would be different. But right now, we're sort of in the second, third derivative of change right now. And notice there's really no stability. There's no fundamental anything. That's why there's no new deals out there. I mean, how do you do projections, you look at three years of history, it's not really relevant. And you look at projections, and no one can make projections.So we're kind of in this really sort of fraught moment, with really not much to go on, which is tricky. And in those environments, what you want to make sure as you're prepared to go whatever direction you have to go. And the preparation is liquidity.

I appreciate that, Chris. And in terms of NAV, I do have a question about the valuation of your CLO equity investment, because I do follow that market pretty closely. And it's been extremely weak now for many, many, many quarters as investors- and this is pre-COVID, this was as a result of ratings agencies proactively downgrading across the board. And investors have made more pessimistic assumptions to project cash flows and generally have applied higher discount rates to determine what they feel CLO equity is worth. So can you help me understand why you actually lowered the discount rate to value your CLO equity investment? From what I can see, it went down from 15.9 to 14.2, which is the opposite of what I would have expected.

Before you- I'll have Henri answer that particular question. I just like to say one overview on the CLO side of life and clearly as you know, because you follow it, the CLO is a very high, highly complex instrument. And you have the credit quality of the underlying assets, broadly syndicated loans, which- obviously there's a question mark with COVID around that, but historically through all kinds of downturns, the fundamental credit quality of that asset class has proven to be quite resilient. Obviously, with notable exceptions in retail and oil and gas and things like that, but in general, that's been a very strong asset class, but then, as you rightly point out inside the CLOs, you have different factors like ratings.And so, the cash flows and the timing of the cash flows can be somewhat disrupted, based on ratings and perceptions in time, although the whole instrument can self-correct, and ultimately, as it did in the last downturn, it turned out to be quite robust on the on the other side. But in between, it can be quite messy.Henri, do you want to talk to that?

Sure, Mickey. I think there's two different terms, there's firstly the discount rate, which you mentioned, but then there's also the weighted average effective interest rate, which is then used to calculate the interest income allocation of the equity distribution into our P&L, and it's actually this weighted average effective interest rate that went down from 14% to 11%. And a big driver of that was, because we actually tighten the discount rate this quarter from 14% to 16%, it actually went up. And so, the discount rate going up and a couple of other factors resulted in the weighted average effective interest rate, which is discounted by the discount rate going down to 11%. So the discount rate actually went up 2%.

Okay. So maybe I read the numbers in reverse, that's always a possibility given how much is going on. And lastly, you may have mentioned it, but can you describe the new investment you made, subsequent to the quarter and when that was made?

Yes, it was made at - gosh, I don't know the exact date but somewhere near the end of March, middle of March. And it's an investment in a software company that helps businesses monitor the efficiency of their IoT networks. It's a business that is supported by an enormous amount of equity capital from one of the most well-heeled and well-funded and successful software private equity firms.

So, Mike, that sounds like something that fortunately doesn't sound like it has extreme COVID risk attached to it.

We are fortunate that a large portion of our portfolio is invested in businesses that are delivering their product through a SaaS platform. Because, largely, these businesses are not being affected as much, as many other businesses that are human-facing. And most of those business models and certainly the ones that we invest in have really high revenue retention. And in many cases, their revenue retention is actually north of 100%. And so, this newer investment has many of those characteristics. Now, it is our experience in this environment, to the extent that those businesses are perhaps exposed to being affected by COVID-19, it's more likely to affect their growth rate, where it's a little harder to engage a new business to talk about buying a software product or even having a meeting to that end, but yes, we were pleased that a really high chunk of our portfolio is invested in businesses that have a high degree of recurring revenue and high retention of that revenue.

I understand Mike. And I guess I'll just finish with a comment. The confusion is given what you just said, it would seem that there would be some level of dividend that you can support, notwithstanding what's happening with COVID, and that's what's confusing the mark, and that's likely why the stock is behaving the way it is…

Well, Mickey, if I can make just one observation, so that investment that Mike's talking about, not 100% of it because it has to do with some- almost like, I don't know, like 85%, 90% of that investment went into SBIC II and was completely funded by debentures. There was no incremental- and there's like $1 million or $2 million, perhaps that was required from the Holding company for that. So that was not a consumer of liquidity, our most important place to have liquidity is at the BDC level, because that's what supports all the operations. And so, anyway, that new investment went directly to the SBIC II.

And Chris, SBIC II- I mean, there's a lot of companies reporting, but if I recall correctly, that's been capitalized so far with $50 million of equity. I know that initially, the SBA will let you lever that one-to-one and then sort of season - I think season, it goes up to two-to-one…

So, we can do two-to-one there and but we're basically limited, Henri, correct me on the exact number but it's really only a third of your equity, it's only two-to-one on the equity you have invested. So we're limited to just a little over $15 million for investments in SBIC II, which is why there was a little bit that went over. But we still have incremental $75 million, $80 million to go.Henri?

Yes, that's right.

They require no capital as long as the businesses meet the criteria for being an SBIC investment. And our whole decision would be sub- what is it, $15 million or $16 million, Henri?

15, yes, at the moment.

Okay. I understand and appreciate your time today. That's it from me. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Ben Rubenstein of Robotti. Your line is open.

Greetings, congrats on Easy Ice, impeccable timing. My question is regarding - just looking forward, SBIC II like in the pipeline, what type of yields are you seeing? Just given, I imagine there's a lot more small companies looking for capital and your competitors don't have the same liquidity position that you guys have. So just what type of yields are you seeing, you know, in the pipeline?

The answer - Hi, this is Mike. The answer is that we feel like yields are increasing by at least 150 basis points, and perhaps a good deal more. The effects of COVID-19 are evolving rapidly. And so we have certainly seen some indications that some of our typical competitors are really not realistically open for business. As a result, I think the supply-demand equation has changed considerably and our opportunity to deploy capital in new investments at much higher yields certainly exists.Where that is? It's a little too early to tell. I do want to emphasize though that we're being extremely cautious in that respect. We definitely are seeing opportunities already to deploy capital. And we're taking a hard look at those. But the bar, as I mentioned before, is really high. We want to make sure that we've got enough visibility on what the impact of COVID-19 will be on a business before we make any new investment and really feel comfortable with that. And just, you know, things are changing so much, and there's so much uncertainty out there that we're going to be extremely cautious, but we are excited by the notion that there will be an opportunity for us to deploy capital in a way that we think should be highly accretive for our investors.

And if I could just add to that. We also, you know, our criteria is super, super solid credit and characteristics. And so, there is the possibility out there of investments that have additional credit support, not just from the company themselves, so, their ways to fortify the credit, which may result in not as robust a yield as one might expect, but with a very, very solid credit profile. So, we're looking at a number of those as well.

And then, and then, I guess, looking forward hopefully in the next few months, there's more clarity. I mean, if there's an opportunity to be aggressive - more aggressive, I guess. How do you envision - what do you envision that looking like? Is it may be taking more equity and come - in and future investments or would you look at different sectors or how do you - if we kind of have a blue sky scenario, things look a lot better in five months, six months, how do you, sort of take advantage of the liquidity position that you've built?

Well, I think as Mike said, earlier, we have, - our SBIC II, we've got a fair amount of liquidity and the supply-demand equation is probably going to be - there's not enough deals right now to really understand what that really is. But the level of competition probably will have gone down, you know, quite a bit. And, and so again, I think we would anticipate coming out, and if you look at post 2008 right, 2009, 2011 were incredible years to put money out. Rates were very strong, equity participation, some consensus warrants and things like that. So I think the pricing environment will be - it can't expand and be quite robust, given supply and demand.And as we come out of this thing, there's a substantial need for capital for a lot of companies that have great opportunities. So we want to be there for that. Again, though, I think we don't want to be overly aggressive. I think - with our structure, our cost of capital and the like, we don't have to really super stretch to be able to get solid returns. And so, coming out, I think, the solidity of the credit characteristics are going to be very, very important.Not to say we're not interested in equity because we absolutely are. But equity has generally been sort of a small fraction of the capital that we're putting out. So we're going to make sure that the larger fraction of that capital is very secure.

Just to add to that a little bit, and I think this is part of what Chris is saying, as well as, first and foremost, we want to make sure that we don't lose money for our investors. And that's how we think about every investment. We know, having done this for such a long time, the way to make money in our business and for our shareholders, is by constructing a portfolio where the chance of losing money in any of these investments is really low.And so we start with that premise, which is why the bar is in this uncertain environment so high. And then, you know, then the next step is less related to kind of making broad macro bets about industries or let's go along with much higher equity positions or playing the market in that respect. We tend to look at all of our investments on a very company specific and deal specific basis.And if it's an opportunity for us to invest debt and equity, and it's a really exciting one, and we feel very comfortable that the likelihood that we can lose money is low and the chance for us to make a really good risk adjusted return is high. We're going to be all over those opportunities. And we are very much excited about the chance, I mean, we'll see because there's a lot of uncertainty out there, the chance that we could be in the marketplace deploying capital in a very accretive way. But it's too early at this point to really tell how big that opportunity will be.

Great. Well, thanks. And I appreciate you guys taking the questions.

Thanks, Ben.

Thank you.

Thank you. Next question comes from Bryce Rowe of National Securities. Your line is open.

Thanks, sorry to belabor your call, this might be a record in terms of a BDC earnings call. Chris, I wanted to ask about the concept of preserving liquidity. I hear where you're coming from. So I was curious, have you considered deferring a portion of either management fees or incentive fees to help keep liquidity at the BDC?

I think that clearly that are some parties that are doing that out there. That is not something that we have on the table at this moment. That, obviously, if liquidity goes to an extreme state - that is always something to consider. I think that if you look at our historic performance, is pretty well - in the past year. And so I think that what we've just received in terms of incentive fees has been properly earned in terms of performance.As we go forward, it's not known much as many other things are not known. Exactly how this shakes out going forward is still is still a lot of a mystery. And so, obviously that is one component of liquidity and something to be considered but not something that we are actively considering, at this moment in time, although, you know, we could consider it in the future.

Okay, that's - that's fair. Second question, second and only last question. You guys operated with a higher level of GAAP balance-sheet leverage in the past, especially before you were able to use the ATM to raise as much equity capital as you have. Does - what happened - what's happened with COVID over the last couple months? Does that kind of inform you as to how much GAAP balance-sheet leverage you'll use in the future - change what we've seen in the past?

I guess - I wish I could answer that clearly. I mean, again, it's sort of a piece, right? We just don't know what's going on right now. And so we want to be as conservative as possible. However, raising long term capital, at a fixed rate as we have in the past through baby-bonds and the like could be an attractive alternative. I mean, right now, those markets are recovering, but they've been closed. I don't know if anyone's done a public baby-bond. But there has been some private bonds. FSK just did a private baby-bond. So clearly, that source of capital is can be attractive and has been for us in the past, and as you rightly pointed out, and so, we are actively and openly looking at all sources of capital and liquidity for the future. And much as we are structured now, we're looking for the type of - if we were to do some more leveraging, we would want it to be of the type and character that we have now. And so, I mean, basically as like our SBIC, debentures are some of the most attractive with sub 2.5% percent current interest, 10-year maturity, no covenants.So, we are availing ourselves of that leverage to the extent we have attractive investment opportunities, and we have several of those we have done recently to the extent something fits our criteria, and we can finance it certainly in the SBIC II that's absolutely something that would increase our leverage. So, we do have significant leverage ability there. We do have our undrawn Madison facility, and that has – it's an asset base facility with criteria. We have availability under that. So, to the extent that there are investments that are sound solid investments that we believe fit all the criteria and we'll continue to fit all the criteria going forward that would fit and that. Those are absolutely things that we would consider. So, we really haven't changed anything about how we go about our investment process, what has changed is the information that's available about the investments. And until we have more certainty there - according to the way we invest, it's very hard to make a decision.Right, you know, we're not speculators. We're investors and lenders and so it's kind of a - there's a lot of science to it, and a lot of fundamentals that need to be in place for us to pull the trigger. And so, you know, speculation is especially if you're using leverages, it can be very dangerous. And so we don't want to be speculators. We kind of feel that in this environment you have to be very careful, anything you do for it not to be speculative.

Okay. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you. I'm sure no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Christian Oberbeck for any closing remarks.

Again, we appreciate everyone who spent so much time on the phone and the clear thought and consideration they've given to the company over the years and even - and we welcome more recent investors as well. We hope everyone understands where we're coming from. We are the largest shareholder block in the company and we view ourselves as partners with our shareholders. And every decision we make is in that context. And so we very much appreciate your time today and your support as investors, and we hope you will continue to support us and invest along with us in the future. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.