SAP SE (SAP) Q1 2017 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Jasmine, your Chorus Call operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining SAP First Quarter Results 2017 Earnings Call. Throughout today's recorded presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. The presentation will be followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Stefan Gruber. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning or good afternoon. This is Stefan Gruber, Head of Investor Relations. Thank you all for joining us to discuss our results for the first quarter 2017. I'm joined by our CEO, Bill McDermott; and our CFO, Luka Mucic, who will both make opening remarks on the call today. Also joining us for Q&A are board members Rob Enslin, who runs Global Customer Operations; and Bernd Leukert, who leads Products & Innovation. Before we get started, as usual, I want to say a few words about forward-looking statements and our use of non-IFRS financial measures. Any statements made during this call that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements as defined in the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Words such as anticipate, believe, estimate, expect, forecast, intend, may, plan, project, predict, should, outlook and will, and similar expressions as they relate to SAP are intended to identify such forward-looking statements. SAP undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements and all forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. The factors that could affect SAP's future financial results are discussed more fully in our recent filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the SEC, including SAP's Annual Report on Form 20-F for 2016 filed with the SEC on February 28, 2017. Participants of this call are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of their dates. On our investor relations website, you can find our quarterly statement and financial summary slides deck, which are intended to supplement our prepared remarks today and include a reconciliation from our non-IFRS numbers to IFRS numbers. Unless otherwise noted, all financial numbers referred to on this conference call are non-IFRS and growth rates are non-IFRS as reported. The non-IFRS financial measures we provide should not be considered as a substitute for or superior to the measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with IFRS. And finally, we would like to invite you to our customer conference Sapphire now in Orlando, Florida, which runs from May 16 to May 18. Sapphire is a great opportunity to learn more about SAP's strategy and our product portfolio. We will offer special program for investors and financial analysts. Please see the SAP website and contact the SAP Investor Relations team for further information. And with that, I would like to turn things over to our CEO, Bill McDermott.

Thank you very much, Stefan, and hi everyone. Thanks for joining us today. Like our results, the mood here at SAP could not be better. SAP's outstanding first quarter results are a decisive follow-on to our record-setting 2016. They once again validate SAP as a profitable fast-growth company. The facts show that we are executing our winning strategy at scale. Our customers are endorsing the unique breadth and depth of SAP core cloud networks and all come with soaring adoption for our new innovation on a global basis. We believe SAP is the only company in the business software industry to deliver soaring cloud growth and double-digit license growth. Driven by S/4HANA, our core innovations are growing really fast with software licenses up 13%. We now have more than 5,800 S/4HANA customers with global companies like Energy SE, choosing S/4 in the first quarter. Big brands like Citrix Systems selected S/4 cloud edition, the leading intelligent cloud ERP solution in the market by far. Algier [ph] Enterprise Services implemented S/4HANA Cloud in just 10 weeks. In the private cloud, the HANA Enterprise Cloud also continues to be a fast-growth business for SAP. Led by SAP Digital Boardroom, our reinvigorated analytics portfolio grew in strong double-digits across cloud and software in Q1. SAP's track record of strong M&A is also validated with our amazing cloud growth. We have one rule, only by the best companies in the business. Now these best-in-class assets have been fully integrated for many, many years, and all of our growth in the cloud is totally organic. That's something very new to our industry. Our new cloud bookings surged to 49% growth in Q1. Our cloud revenue grew by 34%. SAP Hybris, our customer engagement solution, saw a triple-digit new cloud bookings growth in the first quarter. Top industry analysts named SAP Hybris, a leader for both business-to-consumer and business-to-business digital commerce and multi-channel marketing campaign management. SAP SuccessFactors, another successful quarter. SuccessFactors' Employee Central now has nearly 1,700 customers worldwide by far the leader. Analysts gave SAP the highest rankings in cloud HCM for core HR for global organizations with more than 5,000 workers. Gartner is really wrong. Dolce & Gabbana selected SAP Human Capital Management Solutions in Q1, while retail and telecommunication companies are among many choosing SAP Fieldglass temporary labor solutions. Only ASAP can manage the complete workforce. SAP was way ahead of the industry with business networks. Today SAP Ariba has 2.7 million companies in over 180 countries, trading nearly US$1 trillion in goods and services annually on the Ariba network. Companies like Ford Motor and New Balance selected Ariba in the first quarter. Concur helps more than 47 million end-users effortlessly process travel and expenses. Big brands like Penske, Premier Truck Group chose Concur. The results make it perfectly clear. SAP is gaining mass market share against our competition. Cloud and software power to 12% growth in the quarter, significantly outpacing our main competitor. Our cloud portfolio is now a nearly €4 billion business, growing north of 30%m faster than most best to breed standalone cloud companies, who by the way don't make much money. We are expanding in every region in the world in 25 distinctly different industries with businesses of all sizes. In fact, our SME business earned over 1,000 net new customers in the quarter. There is momentum in every corner of SAP. Even as we gain, we are never complacent. SAP's innovation agenda will ensure our future is even brighter. With our API Hub, an open SAP cloud platform is actively incubating new innovations. We are also excited that the new partnership initiatives we have built will proliferate the SAP platform across the hyper-scale public cloud providers. Our internet-of-things business is already the leader with Goldwind Science & Technologies, and Energy [indiscernible] selecting ASAP in the first quarter. We are accelerating internet-of-things innovation, including predictive maintenance, logistics, autonomous payments, quality assurance, anti-counterfeiting and industrial securities. We are also focused on machine-learning, which we believe takes the work out of workflow. Our first wave of machine-learning enabled application is already commercially available today. Examples include invoice and payment matching, predictive recruiting, intelligent sales forecasting, sales discount approvals and data-driven renewal management to name a few. Blockchain is also a major focus. SAP recently joined Hyperledger, the leading open-source collaborative platform to advance Blockchain, we intend to lead. The strategy I have described has enabled the business model that is never been stronger. Cash generation was strong with IFRS operating cash flow up 16% year-over-year. We recommend a dividend for 2016 €1.25, 9% more than last year. Nearly 65% of SAP employees are participating in our most recent employee stock program, a role-model figure for the IT industry. We are out in front again. With the company's positive share price development, employee stock-based compensation costs rose in Q1. We believe a happy company is a worthwhile investment. With our recently announced executive board changes, we've put in place a leadership model to continue scaling our growth agenda. Rob Enslin, well-known to all of you, will head the Cloud Business Group to drive unprecedented growth in business networks, human capital management, customer engagement and small and medium-sized businesses. We also strengthened Bernd Leukert's organization to include analytics and a new Chief Technology Officer. Rob and Bernd will strengthen their end-to-end collaboration to drive customer-driven innovation and value at its very best in the industry. Our existing cloud line of business end-to-end leaders will continue to have a dual solid reporting into Rob for go-to market and Bernd for product and innovation. Accordingly all development resources of the end-to-end units belong to Bernd's organization and all go-to market resources of the end-to-end units belong to Rob's organization. This is only different for the business network where all resources belong to Rob's cloud business group. Finally and I'm really excited to report that Adaire Fox-Martin and Jen Morgan, will oversee the global sales organization to bring our products to the customer and strengthen the customer relationships. I proudly welcome Adaire and Jen to the executive board of SAP, what an accomplishment. In closing, everything about SAP's business is best-in-class, sustainable and focused on delivering shareholder value. This company SAP is a winner from Fortune Magazine to Glassdoor and EDGE Certification, we have never received more accolades as an employer of choice. Best of all, we are just getting started on this once in a generation growth story. Near half of S/4HANA transaction in Q1 were net new business. More than 80% of our ERP customer base remains in the S/4/HANA pipeline, which is swelling by the moment. We are growing double-digits in every region of the world. Our organic SAP cloud innovation is now the biggest part of our growth story. With the 22nd most valuable brand in the world, Sapphire now 2017 will be the biggest in SAP history. For all these reasons, we are firmly reiterating our guidance for the full-year. SAP is a profitable fast-growth company ever humble and hungry. I'd like to acknowledge our 86,000 SAP colleagues worldwide for their immense dedication to our customers and shareholders. Now I'll turn the call over to our CFO and my good friend, Luka Mucic. Luka, over to you.

Yes, thank you very much, Bill. Hello everybody from my side as well, and indeed I am as happy as you are Bill to announce a really great start to the year, where we continued a rapid expansion of our top line with accelerating cloud growth and an excellent software performance. This performance clearly demonstrates the entire breadth and resilience of our unique portfolio, the combination of cloud and on-premise. This outstanding start to the year is also fully in line with what communicated at our Capital Markets Day in February earlier this year and further validates our investment decision to drive future growth and operating profit. Now Bill has already shared with you a few of the impressive growth metrics this quarter. I would just like to add to this that we had our best year-over-year growth ever in new cloud and software license order entry, which was up by more than 30%. This KPI represents the order entry from our software license business plus the total contract value from our cloud business. This exceptional growth in order entry is a strong achievement, especially when you look at the absolute size and scale of our business. It really underpins how successful we are in the market with our unique portfolio. At the same time, we continue to strive for a more predictable business model. While we had a strong performance in software revenue in Q1, our predictable revenue base remained stable at almost 70% year-over-year. Compared to five years ago, our predictable revenue share is now 18 percentage points higher. Now let me go into some more detail on the top line performance. Cloud grew 34% or 30% in constant currency. So either way you look at it, we have now had growth in cloud of at least 30% for five straight years in a row. This consistent and fast-growth is fueled by our future committed cloud revenue or new cloud bookings. This actually has accelerated even more compared to the last quarter, growing by 49%, which is a sequential expansion of almost 10 percentage points. This constant growth in cloud revenue for nearly half a decade is clear evidence that we made the right acquisitions at the right time. Bill has alluded to this already. From SuccessFactors to Concur, we have all successfully scaled and integrated these acquired businesses. Let me also highlight the continued momentum of our industry-leading on-premise business. Software and support increased by 8%, driven by 13% software license growth. Finally, our cloud and software revenue grew 12% or 9% on constant currency, which again is above the high-end of our full-year outlook range. Now some words on the first quarter regional results. We had a solid performance in EMEA with an increase in cloud and software revenue of 10%. Cloud subscriptions and support revenue grew 43% with an especially strong quarter in Germany, France and Italy. We had triple-digit software revenue growth in South Africa and the Netherlands. In the Americas region, we had a strong performance with cloud and software revenue growing by 12%. Cloud subscriptions and support revenue was up 27% driven by a strong performance in Canada and Mexico with high double-digit growth. In North America, we had double-digit growth in software revenue. In Latin America, Brazil was the highlight, with a very strong software revenue growth amidst the difficult macroeconomic environment. In the APJ region, we had a truly exceptional performance in both cloud subscription and software revenue. Cloud and software revenue was up 21% with cloud subscriptions and support revenue growing by 65%. Japan and India were highlights in the quarter with strong results in both cloud subscriptions and software revenue. We also had strong double-digit software revenue growth in greater China and South Korea. Now let me come to the bottom line and before talking about operating profit, I would like to provide you some more details about the gross margin development for the quarter. As promised, we have increased the transparency in our segment reporting even further, so that you can see how we perform in our public and private cloud, as well as in our business networks on a quarterly basis. Our overall gross margin increased by 30 basis points to 69.9%, which is a solid result given the significant mix shift effect and our ongoing investments. Our cloud gross margin decreased by 1.2 percentage points to 64.6% year-over-year but increased sequentially by 1.9 percentage points. The year-over-year result was driven by revenue mix shift effects between different cloud models and the already announced continued investments in converged cloud efforts, as well as consolidation and improvement of our data center efficiency. These investments will negatively affect our 2017 public cloud gross margins. If you look at our private cloud business, it continues its rapid growth, driving the private cloud gross margin up by more than 30 percentage points year-over-year. For the business network, our gross margin also increased and was up by 1.5 percentage points year-over-year to 76.9%. Our cloud and software gross margin was 80.8%, a decrease of 1.5 percentage points year-over-year. This was mainly due to our investments in cloud, as mentioned before, as well as the revenue mix shift effects between our cloud and on-premise revenue lines. Our services gross margin, really a bright spot in the quarter, was up by 6.8 percentage points year-over-year to 20.7%. In 2016, as you know, we invested heavily in core innovation projects with customers and some strategic industries focused on customer outcome. Since these investments are phasing out this year as already shared before, as well as consulting utilization increased, our service margin in consequence improved in Q1 as expected. We are now doubling down and adjusting our services organization for the new reality of digital enterprises to further capitalize on the momentum that we have gained. In terms of the operating profit, we had a solid performance in the quarter, up 8%. And let me remind you that we achieved these results even though we continued to invest in future growth, as we said we would, even though we had higher personnel expenses as we added over 7,500 FTEs or a 10% increase compared to the prior-year period and we continued to hire highly educated young talents in our fast-growth areas and locations, even though we continued to experience a significant mix shift effect as I outlined earlier and all of these in our smallest top line quarter of the year. All these effects continued to weigh on our overall operating margins but with our strong top line growth and the fact that the converged cloud investments should be largely finished in 2017, we continue to be very confident that we will grow our profitability in 2018 and beyond as we discussed at our Capital Markets Day. The IFRS tax rate in the first quarter was 20.6%, a decrease of 2.7 percentage points compared to the prior-year period. The non-IFRS tax rate in the first quarter was 25.7%, also down from 26.2% in the prior-year period. Non-IFRS earnings per share increased by 15%, driven both by a lower effective tax rate and a strong finance income contribution due to another exceptional performance of our venture capital activities around our market-leading venture capital firm, Sapphire Ventures. IFRS earnings per share decreased by 9%, and was mainly impacted by our share-based compensation expenses, which increased due to the strong development of our share price and the increased participation of our employees. Now a few words on cash flow and liquidity. In the first quarter, we reported a record €2.9 billion in operating cash flow, increasing by 16% year-over-year. This also led to a strong free cash flow for the first three months. This figure is growing by 12% to €2.6 billion. As of the end of the first quarter, we improved our net liquidity by €2.8 billion year-over-year to a net debt of €460 million. Moving to the rest of the year, we have now already paid back further €1 billion in April and intend to pay back approximately €1.4 billion in total in financial debt this year. We expect [Technical Difficulty] cash-related outflows into share-based compensation programs and transformation of our services organization, as well as the debt repayments. [Technical Difficulty] we are nevertheless confident that our operating cash flow development will remain positive for the full-year. As a result of our strong [Technical Difficulty] as Bill has said, we are firmly reiterating our outlook for the full-year and we also now expect the currency benefit and to have updated our expectations, we expect on the reported growth rates in 2017. For more details, please refer to our quarterly statement published earlier today. Finally as I conclude my remarks, I would like to talk about our IFRS [ph]. As our customers face increasing global challenges, such as stable project change, more tests towards income distribution, political volatility and digitalization, we have a responsibility to think about how technology can contribute in solving these problems. Many prominent companies are working to achieve the 17 state of the development goals and IT is the foundation for at least how all these goes. We at SAP can work towards these goals by delivering software that can solve these present issues. For example solutions that [indiscernible] that can help contribute better healthcare therapies. In this period, we also strived to act as an action player of responsibility. In February, we issued our fifth integrated report where we announced a decrease in our greenhouse gas emissions for the fifth year in a row [Technical Difficulty] we are now taking the next step and announcing that SAP aims to be carbon-neutral completely by 2025. We also have a responsibility to our employees. For 2016, we saw record employee engagement of 85%, a very high level that we will strive to maintain over the coming years. We are consistently improving employee retention, which increased to 94.1% in Q1, up 2.1 percentage points year-over-year. Trusting our leaders as measured by our leadership net promoter score also increased to 57% up 5% year-over-year. And as Bill mentioned, our employees are also investors, with nearly 65% participating in our most recent stock program. We also remain focused on diversity. We have already almost achieved our goal of 35% of women in management by the end of 2017. These efforts have been recognized externally with SAP being named Employer of Choice most recently being the ranked one of the top six best international workplaces in Asia. And oekom, an independent rating agency for sustainable investments, recognized us as a leader in software and IT services in their Corporate Responsibility Review. So to summarize, we released very strong first quarter results today, showing continued momentum and strong execution. We continue to make strategic investments in 2017 and expanded our profit even in our smallest top line quarter of the year. SAP is the clear leader in business and enterprise software and has never been in a stronger position. If you think about S/4HANA and the digital core, there is no doubt that SAP is winning and that we are continuing to take substantial market share. As we continue our acceleration to the cloud, increased not only the predictability of our revenues but we will also improve gross margins and profitability. This is what the entire executive board of SAP is committed to. A strong free cash flow generation while investing for the future provides significant optionality around strategic decisions aimed at driving customer and shareholder value. SAP is extremely well positioned for success through 2020 and far beyond. Thank you very much and we will now be happy to take your questions.

Thank you. I hand it back to the operator. We can now start the Q&A session please.

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. One moment for the first question please. The first question comes from the line of Stacy Pollard of JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thank you. I have a couple of questions around margins really. In the press release, you say that you were confident that you'll give your profitability that you'll grow your profitability in 2018 and beyond. Are you also confident that your profit margin can increase? And more specifically, if I look in the quarter, can you say why sales and marketing cost as a percentage of revenues was up in the quarter? Do we expect the same pattern through the year? And then can you talk about the cloud margins? I think a little bit disappointing in Q1. Can you talk about which of the investment areas finished in 2017? I know you mentioned converged cloud but what about distribution, data center delivery, those areas? Do they also finish in 2017, and can we expect that to move out in 2018?

Yes, absolutely. [Technical Difficulty] first of all, on the profitability increase in 2018 and beyond, yes, I've made it very clear that we believe that 2017 will see on that trough in company margins. We have [indiscernible] through relatively high level of investments into those areas of getting them off third-party database platforms and on to HANA conversion to cloud infrastructure, data center consolidations. These problems will and largely around at the end of 2017. We are seeing already the improvement in the services margin and we believe that this will continue, and then with the increased scale of our cloud business, we absolutely believe that in 2018 company margins will [indiscernible]. In terms of the sales and marketing expense, remember two things when you compare ratios year-over-year. First one, we have made high investments into additional distribution capacity, especially in the second part of 2016. When you take a look at our total run rate of employees that we have year-over-year, on a comp level, we have a 7,500 additional employees on board and we have invested ahead of time of course also in sales capacities. Our hiring in Q1 was not so much focused on sales anymore but rather in areas like cloud delivery, as well less R&D. But of course these increased investments on the sales capacity side is now meeting the smallest quarter in the year. Also in early 2016, we still booked some advantage of the rundown of the transformation program in 2015, which was there in 2017 obviously. So that's a part of the reasons. First of course beyond that also 2017 the first quarter was much more successful than the first quarter of 2016 and hence our approvals for bonuses in the field of course have been higher than in 2016 as well. But for the remainder of the year when the revenue base is of course starts to increase, this should not give you too many headaches or worries. And in terms of the cloud margins, you will have seen that actually we were not only up from a cloud gross margin perspective sequentially but also across two of our business model in the cloud, in the private cloud, HANA Enterprise cloud for the first time we have actually reached double-digit gross margins more than 30% increase year-over-year. And in this business I have no doubt in my mind that we will soon reach the target long-term margin level of 40% in line with our internal planning. Similar for business networks, continued steady march to almost 77% now, so we are here already in striking distance to our long-term target. In public cloud software-as-a-service space, this is where we have the converged cloud investments. But as I said, they are largely expected to be finished by the end of 2017 making room for exponential cloud margin improvement in SaaS/PaaS and to 2018 and hence our belief that we will see the cloud contributing exponentially more to absolute operating profit but also to margin improvement as of next year's absolutely and we are actually working just in line with our internal planning in this regard.

Thank you very much. Let's take the next question please.

Next question comes from the line of John King of Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead.

Yes. Hi everyone, and thanks for taking the questions. I've got three, if that's all right. So first of all on the restructuring plan, Luka, on the services organization, can you just give us an idea of the return on investment of that in terms of the impact that it might have on the services gross margin in the outer years obviously thinking about where the margins could go to actually double down there? The second one is obviously there is a cash outflow there, so does that have any impact at all on your thoughts around the buyback? I think you've been thinking about buyback into Q3. Is that change at all by this plan? And the third one, I think actually I apologize, probably also for Luka as well. On the maintenance side I think it was a little bit weaker. It looked about 3% growth in the support revenue, slightly slower than we had seen in the last two or three quarters. So any one-offs there or is that just a little bit of the cloud - effect of the cloud somewhat taking away some of the support contracts? Thanks.

Yes, let me answer the latter two questions first because that's very quickly on the restructuring related cash outflows and the impact on the share buyback. No, that has not any impact. We continued to largely see the same expectations on our total liquidity and cash flow basis that we had before. On the maintenance side, no, you might have seen in the past also that maintenance occasionally is slow when we start the year. This year we had a very healthy inflow of cloud expansion build, so you see that also in the very strong performance on the new cloud bookings side. However we have a number of a maintenance-related impacts as well as releases of sales allowances lined up for the second quarter and beyond, so that seasonality should definitely turn into our favor as we progress during the year. On the restructuring and the services business, let's be clear I think this is all meant to actually accompany the [indiscernible] in our services business that we are clearly seeing now. We have done heavy lifting over the course of the last two, three years to right-size the services business. Now utilization is very strong and you have seen as well on the revenue side that we are back out with quite solid growth, solid 6% constant currency growth or 9% at nominal rate. We believe we have an opportunity to really double down on our services business and create new and distinctive capabilities to accompany our customers through the digital transformation journey that they are on, and these digital consulting capabilities are something that we really want to build out across the organization. This should also be a very high-value services with a very high stickiness for our customers that should indeed improve on the overall margin profile of our services business further. When this will be the case, is a little bit of timing question and we, as you know, are generally anyway projecting an increased services profitability for the coming years. We are now, for the third quarter in a row, above the 20% mark. We should definitely also now after these restructuring efforts not fall down below this efforts below this margin level any longer. To what extent we can achieve increases there, is something that we will see. But generally speaking, I think the path that we are taking now is setting us up for continued solid growth in our services business, and so we believe this will not be a declining business for SAP any longer. That's the most important thing, as services is truly instrumental in helping our customers try to path towards embracing entirely our innovation portfolio.

Thank you.

Thank you. Let's take the next question please.

Next question comes from the line of Ross MacMillan of RBC. Please go ahead.

Thanks a lot. I had a question for Bill. Bill, you said the organic cloud innovation is now the biggest part of your cloud growth story. I guess that means both innovation in some of the acquired businesses but also the new S/4HANA public cloud edition, and I wondered if you could focus maybe on that for a minute. Any metrics you could share on S/4HANA public cloud, I guess, specifically around customer account, customer wins et cetera? Thanks.

Yes, of course, Ross. Thank you very much for the question. First of all, it kind of takes a moment to remind ourselves that it was several years ago when we acquired SuccessFactors and Ariba and Concur and Fieldglass. These companies have been in our organic run rate now for sometime and one of the messages I wanted to convey today is if you take SAP's core license business growing this quarter in double-digits and the cloud growing at 34%, with bookings growing in 4% to 9%. When you add the core of the cloud together, you have an amazing growth story in SAP and all of its organic. We haven't bought anything in a long time. If you compare that to any other large-scale company in our space, if you add this steeply declining core to the acquired cloud revenue, you still have declining business and that is the market share point that hopefully you all have ascertained from these numbers where SAP is really on a tale. And every one of our cloud entities, the line of business, the business network are growing faster than the original business case assumptions we made when we acquired the companies. The other thing I think you want to know is our HANA Enterprise Cloud and our SAP cloud is not only growing steeply, it's actually growing faster than all of our other cloud businesses. And as Luka said, it's now in double-digit margins and improving ever steadily and that used to be the heavy lift, right, because that was the part of business not too long ago. So now you have all these cloud businesses in the company firing on all cylinders. As it relates to the S/4 cloud story, I'll let Bernd make some comments on that because we have both Bernd and Rob with us today. But I do want to underscore we are running that as an end-to-end business. We're going...

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The next question comes from the line of Michael Briest of UBS. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good afternoon. Luka, coming back to the cloud margins, I appreciate the legacy architect take you're still having to pay for. If I look at 2016, your costs were about €460 million in this SaaS business and revenues were €1.2 billion. To get to your 2020 targets, you've got about €2 billion-plus of revenues and about €300 million of costs. So I'm just wondering how much of that cost that's in there today is going to disappear and whether you think this year margins in the SaaS/PaaS business will be flat or indeed if the overall cloud business will generate flat gross margins or even perhaps improve them? And then just, Bill, on the S/4 uptake, could you give some data points? I think Ross asked around but maybe the number of public cloud customers that you now have on S/4, and whether also the 400 overall S/4 additions in the quarter was as you expected, would you think that maybe it will accelerate as we go through the year in 2017, you will see more adds than the 2016? Thank you.

Yes, Michael, maybe let me first address the question around the cloud gross margins. For this year, we expect roughly stable overall cloud gross margin. You have seen in Q1 that we are slightly better in the Q1 cloud gross margins compared to the full-year 2016. But I think assuming a stable cloud gross margin is a fair assumption here. In terms of the March 2020 targets, yes, we absolutely believe that the SaaS/PaaS business, will the biggest net accelerator on cloud gross margins as we exit 2017. They have a huge catch-up to do. But if you think about the fact that at the moment we are essentially operating duplicate infrastructures across the main ones of our SaaS/Paas assets, especially SuccessFactors, that of course is a massive cost burden that will basically go entirely away once all of the customers are migrated by the end of this year. Hence we are still confident that we will achieve the gross margin progression marching towards around about 80% that we have in mind for SaaS/Pass by 2020. Admittedly it's a big jump but all of the investments that we are putting in right now are setting us up for exponential efficiency increases later on. Then maybe over to you Bill - to Rob on the…

The second part of the question, Luka, what was it? It didn't come through here?

Yes, Michael can you repeat?

Yes, on S/4, do you think - you did 400 or so in the quarter with 500 in Q1 last year. I know it's a small quarter but were you disappointed by that? Do you think you'll do more this year than last year, and just an update on public cloud within that?

Michael, great question. I think we'll continue to accelerate the S/4, the HANA business. It stool looks pretty strong. The pipelines look strong. What we are seeing that value stories are now coming out consistently across all the customer base. And it is truly the digital story for SAP and our customers and I think you'll continue to see that. Were we happy or disappointed with 400? I think the bigger topic is we have 5,800. We have a snowballing effect now that on the go-live customers and we have more and more projects ongoing that are more complete than just finance and logistics, so it's really a very, very good story for all of SAP.

And the one thing that you have to keep in mind on S/4HANA and the answer is definitely you'll have a more this year than last year by a lot is when you are the CEO of a company, just think about that as your digital core and then you have all the tax rates of the line of business, the business network, machine learning, AI, the internet of things, I was recently meeting with the CEO of an energy company who chose us to rip and replace the competition and it's a net new customer to SAP. It was the strength of S/4 as the core platform but it was also the attach rates of all the other entities within the company that aligned their board and called SAP as the ultimate winner, and that would be a more difficult decision to make than status quo, so the innovation is there Michael. We are going to win every place. It's going to be an unbelievable year.

Yes, and maybe just finally take a look at the average share of revenues that we drive from orders bigger than €5 million. S/4HANA was certainly the major contributor to this.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Let's take the next question please.

Next question comes from the line of Philipp Winslow of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks guys and congrats on just a really great, great quarter. A question for you, Bill. You've talked a lot in the past about the innovation that you all have done on the edge, reinvigorating the core. And I know you and Luka always say don't read into too much into Q1. But if I read into the stringer quarters that you all have reported here it does seem that you have an updated point to say that the core is reinvigorated and improving. When you think about - I guess two questions here. First in terms of just the go forward just demand here, how are you - what are you seeing between the core and the edge and how are you thinking about that? And then in terms of just the go-to market strategy within reinvigorated core and continued strong growth on edge, how are you balancing that from just the sales go-to market perspective?

Well, thank you very much, Phil, and I'll of course let Rob and other colleagues on the board make any comments they want to. But I want to first of all say this idea of the edge to the core and the core to the edge really started when SAP made the bold move into the cloud some seven years ago and we recognized at that time we became more relevant in our core ERP conversation because we had made a move into the line of business cloud and the business network. Now since we reinvented our core ERP system on S/4HANA, we are the only company in the world that can tell a C-level decision maker, you can run new transactional systems and your analytics all on one database, one common S/4HANA platform for all of your ERP activities. And why this is so powerful is every single CEO you talk to wants to align this all stuff, meaning the management team and the people motives of a company along with the hard stuff, which is the transactions and the financials of the company. Only SAP unifies this in one real-time in-memory suit and there is the S/4HANA self. Now what's interesting on the go-to market side that I have seen is we underplayed industry at SAP. We are in 25 industries and the more you can customize and tailor this conversation to the unique subtleties of industry, the more you walk away with market share. The second thing is we are seeing an extreme rise in new business sales. I gave one example a few moments ago but you have to remember 50% of our names in Q1 were net new, and at the same time, you're seeing now the cloud entities at the line of business, the core ERP, as well as the network grow really fast, especially when you look at the bookings metric of 49%. So here is my hypothesis on the industry. Why is SAP the de facto standard business software company in the world? I'll tell you why. Because even if we don't win every sale and somebody at a point solution level takes something, they still have to live with us and the other 80% of the enterprise. And frankly when you are thinking like CEOs think, they want things to be simple. So if you are at least good enough in all the other areas and you own the core, you'll own the edge, you'll own the network, you'll own IoT, and I think that's represented in our numbers. And I kindly ask you all to take the back of the envelope approach, add up the revenues that others are getting from M&A, add up their core declines, one plus one equals negative two, and when you add out SAP's numbers, one plus one equals three plus.

Thank you. Let's take the next question please.

Next question comes from the line of Adam Wood of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking the question and congratulations from me for a strong start to the year as well. Maybe just coming back to the cloud business, you've obviously seen the acceleration in the bookings there. Could you maybe give us a little bit more color on what's driving that? Is it new customers versus the install base? Is it the S/4 public cloud or rather a traditional customers maybe buying subscriptions on S/4 rather than coming in with licenses? And then secondly, just thinking about the net new build that you alluded to just there. I think we will think about that maybe by value being less than is by volume because its potentially small customers. Could you maybe help us understand how big that opportunity could be if you are starting to win some larger net new names there and is that a significant opportunity for SAP over the next few years? Thank you.

Yes, I'll just give you big picture, Adam. So first of all, I'd like to say that SAP has been a very, very successful company without putting all the wood behind the arrow in SME. And one of the detractors to really growing and taking over the SME market had been the limitations of and on-premise business model. It's just not fast enough to scale as fast as a company like ours would like to. Well, that now has been taken off the table. You have B1 on HANA. You have ByDesign growing very fast. But now we have S/4 Cloud edition that without a doubt, market down with giant crayon will be the leader and not only small, medium sized but even upper mid-market for cloud computing in the ERP world. So that business is on a tale and I think that's a big bogey of growth that is upside as we think about our future. Bernd, I'll let you make some comments on that and Rob - but also we ran through the Fortune 1000 and 2000 a little while ago with 350,000-plus customers but when you think about the SME market, there is literally millions of them out there that could be in the SAP portfolio and we are going after it with everything we have. So I think you're now seeing us completely unified on S/4 cloud edition being something that could take over the market.

Maybe Adam, [inaudible]. Just to add additional flavor to your question. If I'm looking back on the business of ERP over the last decade, it was very hard and tough for us to win net new names. Now with S/4 and specifically with S/4HANA Cloud, if we take the overall triple-digit growth and then look at the customer list, it's in the range of between 35% and 45% of net new names and this gives us tremendous opportunity not just to convert and install base from an on-premise into the cloud, as well to conquer complete new markets. And this is the path we are going forward, and looking at the numbers we are confident that this path is really resonating very well. Rob, any additional comments from your side?

Yes, I think people forget that the S/4HANA ERP, there is nothing out like it in the market at all. When you look what it does and how it changes businesses and how it connects digital supply chains, it is by far the next generation ERP and everyone else is far way behind. And then when you connect everything, the machine learning and IoT and analytics space, we are the only company on the distribution side and on the product side that have a true supply chain end-to-end for the digital world and I think that's the major difference. There is nobody out there that can actually talk about what it looks like in a digital world to connect an ERP system and actually look at next generation of applications, and I think you will see us changing it more and more AI and artificial intelligence becomes relevant for S/4HANA. So I think the opportunity is huge. I think the S/4 cloud opportunity is going to be incredible. Some of the companies that signed up like more pretty significant company in the chemical business and just committed to SAP and I think you'll see us do really well in this space.

And keep in mind just in closing on this topic, Adam, if you take Latin America - take a market like Latin America - this was an on-premise market up to about 18 months ago. Today we get more revenue out of the cloud in Latin America than anything on-premise, so this is an interesting dynamic. There is another region that's now crossing over to more cloud revenue than the on-premise world and we've been in business for a little while. And in 2018, the cloud eclipses the on-premise revenues of SAP. So the more we fulfill the initial vision to be the cloud company powered by HANA, the more we can mass scale our enterprise in small, medium, large of 25 industries in 193 countries. That's the game plan.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. Let's take the next question please.

Next question comes from the line of Gerardus Vos of Barclays. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Just have two on S/4 probably for Bill. Just first regarding the adoption and what you see in the pipeline in that last year and a half, there was a lot of smaller deals on a deficient level. Do you start to see in the pipe now large enterprise-wide adoption for S/4? Then secondly, how many go live did you have in the quarter? And then finally, a question for Luka on the gross margin. The drop in the core business in software and support in the quarter was a bit of an unusual given the good improvement we've seen over the last four quarters. Was this an aberration and should we expect that gross margin takes up pretty out of three quarters, or is there a structural reason why it's coming down now? Thank you.

So when it comes to the go live for S/4HANA, we have now over 700 go lives. That's up significantly more than - as I said earlier on, more than 2,700 projects ongoing. Almost all of those projects are 1610 versions, so significant logistics. And when we look at the large enterprise, I would pretty much say that there is almost every single one of our large customers that have a plan or obviously implementing it for at some point. We've seen it with my advisory board. To the group, every single one of them has a project or some of them are already live with significant parts of their business. Luka?

Yes, on the gross margin, I think the key here on the software and support margin side again is mix shift effects because we had, as was discussed before, slightly slower start on the maintenance side. And so the mix of software versus support was little bit more unfavorable as it was last year and that basically drove the slight deterioration there. In total, what we said at the Capital Markets Day absolutely still holds that we believe that there will be a continuous slight upward trend just because the relative weight of support will increase, as well as the exposure to third-party licenses, commissions and royalties will decrease over time as we further scale our S/4HANA business. So that's our expectation more from a full-year basis and also looking into next year.

Thank you.

Thank you. Let's take next question please.

The next question comes from the line of Alex Tout of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Yes, hi guys. Thanks for taking the question. I think a lot of the sub-specific ones have been asked but maybe if you could comment on the macro environment a little bit. How do you see IT budgets? Are they healthy at this point? I think we've seen some numbers from some of the IT services ecosystems that have been indicated a bit of a slow start to the year. Is there anything to be concerned about as far as you're concerned, pockets of strength and weakness that you may be seeing across sectors, how energy looked for example at the moment, and anything to be concerned about with the European elections some of the politics out there as we go through the year?

Well, thank you very much for the question. First of all, I would like to say I'm very pleased that I had an outstanding meeting in 2014 with Emmanuel Macron when I went to visit François Hollande. It's nice to see excellent people like him compete for the biggest offices in the world because he viewed technology in his role on the economy then as a major driver to innovation and a force multiplier for the economy. And I think more and more in the public sector, we are seeing really smart people know that they have to utilize technology and innovation as a lever to deliver results. And this is more and more becoming the case around the world, whether it's Brazil, it's the EU countries, the United States and Asia, and that's very exciting. As it relates to energy specifically was one of our top energy industries in Q1 and it's one that I personally have been participating and is an executive sponsor with some of the most critical energy companies in the world, all of them are looking to change and do big things with SAP. I can tell you that the macro environment looks very good. The pipelines around the world looks very good and I think what's unique about this moment in time is we see good numbers in the brick and all the major geographies around the world has strong pipelines and they are all performing, for us at least, in double-digits, steep double-digits in the cloud, and in some cases, depending on the business even triple digits as the case with S/4 cloud edition. So we are very bullish right now. We think some of the world's biggest problems can only be solved by innovative technologies and we are really proud to be a leader. And I think we are also getting more humbled by the minute because even as we taste success, we resist the temptation to get intoxicated by it. We instead are redoubling our efforts and focusing on that customer and inspiring our people like never before to get the job done because our customers' customers need our customers.

Thank you very much. I think we have time for one final question now.

Next question comes from the line of Walter Pritchard of Citi. Please go ahead.

Thank you. I guess question on the sales and marketing spend for Luka. As we see the year unfold at this level of growth in terms of cloud and license, do you expect to see your target achieved for the year, or do you expect that you would spend more as it relates to the target because it seems like you're tracking a bit above on the top line. Just trying to understand if you see incremental leverage on this higher top line or if an incremental top line would require more spending on specifically sales and marketing?

No, as you have seen, we have confirmed all of our outlook metrics for the full-year. Let's remember the Q1 is our seasonally smallest quarter. That holds both for the top line as well as consequently for the impact of our sales and marketing investments on and against that top line. As we further progress through the year, we believe that with the investment levels that we have planned for, we are well equipped to fund all of our core business operations. We don't see a need to further increase the investment levels and we believe that ultimately we are very comfortably positioned to meet our full-year targets, not only with regard to the top line but also with regard to bottom line.

Very good. Thank you very much. This was the last question we had on our call today. Thank you very much for joining. This concludes the SAP Q1 2017 earnings call and we hope to see you in Orlando at Sapphire. Please check the SAP website for further information. Thank you very much for joining and goodbye.

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