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Sanmina Corporation (SANM)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Mon, Jul 24, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Jesse and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Sanmina Corporation's Third Quarter Fiscal 2017 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Paige Bombino, Vice President of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

Paige Bombino

Analyst

Thank you, Jesse. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Sanmina's Third Quarter Fiscal 2017 Earnings Call. A copy of today's release is available on our Web-site in the Investor Relations section. You can follow along with our prepared remarks in the slides posted on our Web-site. Please turn to the Safe Harbor statement. During this conference call, we may make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding future events or the future financial performance of the Company. We caution you that such statements are just projections. The Company's actual results of operation may differ significantly as a result of various factors, including adverse changes to the key markets we target, operational and other inefficiencies, risks arising from our international operations, competition that could cause us to lose sales, reliance on relatively small number of customers for a majority of our sales, and other factors set forth in the Company's annual and quarterly reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. You'll note in our press release and slides issued today that we have provided you with statements of operations for three months and nine months ending July 1, 2017 on a GAAP basis as well as certain non-GAAP financial information. A reconciliation between the GAAP and non-GAAP financial information is also provided in the press release and slides posted on our Web-site. In general, our non-GAAP information excludes restructuring costs, acquisition and integration costs, non-cash stock-based compensation expense, amortization expense, and certain other infrequent or unusual items to the extent material. Any comments we make on them as they relate to the income statement measures will be directed at our non-GAAP financial results. Accordingly, unless otherwise stated in this conference call, when we refer to gross profit, gross margin, operating income, operating margin, taxes, net income, and earnings per share, we are referring to our non-GAAP information. I'd now like to turn the call over to Jure Sola, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thanks, Paige. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for being here with us today. With me on today's conference call is Bob Eulau, our current CFO and the future CEO.

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thanks, Jure, and hello everyone.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

I'm proud to say that Bob Eulau is going to be our future CEO effective October 2, 2017. I'm also very confident that Bob is the right leader for our Company. Bob will drive Sanmina's strategy and our culture, which is based on three [indiscernible]; number one, our customers; our people, where we have a great team; and our shareholders. Again, Bob is what Sanmina needs for a successful future. Please give Bob your full support. Now let's go to agenda. Bob will review our financial results for our third quarter fiscal year 2017. I will follow up with additional comments about Sanmina's results and future goals. Then Bob and I will open for questions and answers. And now, I'll turn this call over to Bob. Bob?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thanks, Jure. I appreciate your comments. Please turn to Slide 3. Overall, the third quarter was another solid quarter. Revenue of $1.71 billion was up 2.5% from the third quarter last year and up 1.7% on a sequential basis. Our non-GAAP gross margin was 7.8%, the same as the third quarter last year, and down 30 basis points sequentially. Operating margin was up 50 basis points from the third quarter last year and was flat sequentially at 4.2%. Non-GAAP earnings per share were $0.74, which was up $0.11 from a year ago and down $0.02 sequentially. This was based on 78.2 million shares outstanding on a fully diluted basis. Cash flow from operations was healthy at $59 million for the quarter, and free cash flow was $28 million. I'll discuss cash in more detail in a few minutes. Please turn to Slide 4. From a GAAP perspective, revenue was up 2.5% from the third quarter last year and up 1.7% on a sequential basis to $1.71 billion. Reported net income of $36.4 million, which resulted in diluted earnings per share of $0.47 for the third quarter. This was up $0.09 for the third quarter last year and up $0.06 on a sequential basis. The improvement was primarily driven by a $4.4 million change in estimate for a specific environmental remediation exposure. My remaining comments will focus on the non-GAAP financials for the third quarter of fiscal year 2017. At $133.1 million, gross profit was down $3 million from the prior quarter. Gross margin came in at 7.8%, which was down 30 basis points when compared to Q2. Operating expenses were down $3.5 million for the quarter at $61.7 million. This was an improvement of 30 basis points as a percent of revenue compared to Q2 at 3.6%. Most of this…

Jure Sola

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thanks Bob. Lot of compliments today, so this is good. Ladies and gentlemen, let me add few more comments to review our business environment for the third quarter and also outlook for our fourth quarter, and I'll talk a little bit about the rest of the calendar year 2017. So let me recap third quarter. Overall, a good quarter. As Bob mentioned also, we have good demand. But revenue was slightly impacted by new program delays, as Bob mentioned, and also we had some technical issues on one of our customer side. Good thing is that's fixed and that product is starting to ship. Operations continue to execute well and we delivered consistent and solid results. During the third quarter, we had a lot of good activities with our customer, I would call it strong activities. We are also introducing a good amount of new programs that will drive growth in the future. Our bookings continue to be positive. Book-to-bill for this quarter was 1.03-to-1, and year to date 1.05-to-1. And again, what we put in bookings is strictly the orders that get released for production. We are also focused on driving the growth. Year-to-date, our growth is 6.2% and non-GAAP EPS growth year-to-date at 23%. Most important is that core customers and revenue base are expanding. Again, overall good quarter as we continue to position Sanmina for a better future. Now please turn to Slide 11. I'd like to give you some highlights of revenue by end markets. As you can see, top 10 customers, 52.6% of our revenue. Our largest segment is industrial/medical/defense. That was 45% of our revenue. Last quarter we did forecast that to be flat. Actually they came flat, slightly down, 0.5%. Overall, industrial was flat, medical slightly down, defense was slightly up driven by…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Ruplu Bhattacharya with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Bob, congrats on the CEO future position. I just wanted to maybe start by touching on the CPS margin outlook for the fourth quarter. I think you mentioned that you expected to get back to the double-digit range. I'm just looking at last year, between 3Q and 4Q there was a decline. So maybe just talk about like what are some of the things that are driving the improvement in the fourth quarter?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

I think the biggest issue was really the one-time events in the third quarter, which we don't expect to repeat, and I don't want to get into too much detail but we had some yield issues with new program ramps, we had some operational inefficiencies, and I think that those issues are essentially remediated now, and as long as the revenue and mix come in the way we expect, we should get back to the low double-digit range again.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Okay. And then the delays that you've seen, that's all in storage? Was that the end market that saw the push-out?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

We actually have a number of new program ramps and storage was one area where we had some challenges, but we had challenges in several areas. And I think the future again looks very promising but we had some challenges in the third quarter.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

This is Jure. If I can add to that, it's really I will kind of summarize that as more these new programs, the timing, some of these programs not ramping as fast as what we expected and some minor delays on a customer's side, with a lot of these things being resolved. But we have a wide amount of new programs, probably more than I've seen for a long, long time, which is very positive. The most important, every one of these programs is real and demand looks pretty strong.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thanks, Jure, on that. And just to build on that, so you are guiding the computing and storage to be flat next quarter. So should we take it that these program delays would manifest into the first quarter of the next fiscal year, is that when you think that they ramp or are some of them ramping in the next quarter as well?

Jure Sola

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Some of them are ramping today. They are not ramping at the numbers that we expected at to see them earlier, but we see some of those programs, they are going to ramp up this quarter and it will continue in the next quarter. Yes, the more time we have, the more confidence we have.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Okay, great. And just the last one for me if I could, in industrial, the MSI opportunity, is it ramping as you had thought?

Jure Sola

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Yes, that overall business is doing well. We're able to integrate it properly. We are still working with the big improvements in efficiencies and setting up the new things, a few more things to be done. But overall, I would say that we accomplished it better than what I expected 18 months ago.

Ruplu Bhattacharya

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Okay, great. Thank you so much for taking the questions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Steven Fox from Cross Research. Your line is open.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open

So first of all, I just wanted to understand how you managed on the operating expense during the quarter. It seems like you came in lower than you originally thought it was going to be. Was any of that related to timing issues that comes back in the current quarter or was there a step-down in efficiencies that we should think of going forward in our modelling, and I have a couple of follow-ups?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open

So from an incentive compensation standpoint, it's very correlated with how we are doing with the business, and it was a quarter in which we didn't meet our internal expectations, and so we had to make some adjustments on the incentive compensation. I mean we obviously much rather not be doing that but that's where we were for the third quarter.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open

Okay. And then in terms of the inventory, I know you mentioned that you're not having, it didn't sound like major issues on the component procure front, but in terms of how maybe inventories work down over the next couple of quarters, is the recent increase tied to some of the issues you had during the quarter or does this stay relatively high for a couple of quarters, how would you sort of describe your progress on inventory going forward?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open

As long as we see the material situation stay roughly the same, I think we'll make progress as we move forward. I mean we have, again, new programs that are ramping, we obviously had to bring material in for those programs and we should start to see some progress in terms of improving the turns, everything else being equal.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open

Okay. And then just lastly, not to beat a dead horse on the component margins, so as they recover I guess back to where they were two quarters ago roughly, the implication is that generally speaking the operations around boards and closures, whatever, are all operating relative to plan. It was just more of timing issues and some issues with specific programs. So, can you just sort of talk about how much of an impact that was in the quarter, and then what the prospects are for maybe improving component margins beyond where they were just two quarters ago?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open

So, I think a couple of questions in there. So, first of all, the delta from Q2 to Q3 was very much driven by one-time events, and the contribution margins across the board in Components, Products and Services continues to be very solid. It's in the neighborhood of 25% on average. So, the real key is growing revenue on the CPS segment, and if we can do that and obviously not have some of these one-time issues associated with new product ramps, I think we'll definitely make progress in terms of expanding margins.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open

Great, that's helpful, and congratulations everybody on their new positions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jim Suva with Citibank. Your line is open.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

Thank you very much, and Jure, sincerely I'm going to miss your leadership. It's been a really great run and [you're like a good mark] [ph] on the Company, and a lot for Bob to follow in, big shoes.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

Thank you, Jim. He's a big man and it's big shoes, so he'll do it.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

That being said, two questions; on the implementation issues of the new program ramps, maybe I missed it, did you say specifically what end market or sector they were, and it sounds like, am I correct that as of today they are fully resolved or we expect like another quarter of a bit of a challenge there?

Jure Sola

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

So let me be a little bit more specific. First of all, we've been talking about in the last year that I think we've been very fortunate that we are able to expand our customer base and bring some big new accounts. At the same time, we really won some good programs with our existing customers. And then we also have what I call whole programs that die, new programs that are coming up. So we have a lot of projects going on like that. When I was specifically talking about technical stuff that happened in one of the projects in our enterprise computing side, we had some issues on a customer side, that's been fixed, we started to ship. These are a bunch of minor things. If they didn't happen end of the quarter, it would give us really chance to deliver a little bit higher margins and few more dollars to the bottom line. If you look at the new programs, they are really across the board. If you look at the industrial side, that business we've grown. So, a lot of the good programs are really running on that side. Then we've got some smaller ones coming up. Communications side, we got programs that are transferring from old programs to new programs, we got some new transformation there, and it's moving pretty well. Few delayed programs; on the automotive side, we had a fair amount of programs that are ramping up and we expect those to be ramping up pretty nicely next six months. We thought they're going to ramp up three months ago, but we definitely have more confidence today, and we're going to see. So, really there's nothing major. It's one of those things, Jim, that we've seen it before. It depends on the customer side, on their internal growth and some of the technical issues, but nothing major. These are the programs that we are very familiar with, we work on all programs, so we are pretty confident. So, I think if you look at our guidance for this quarter, there's a lot of confidence there and we're hoping that if these things all move in the right direction, there is upside. Bob, anything else you want to add?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

No, I think that was a good summary.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

Okay. And then I believe at the beginning of the call, I think Bob mentioned in his prepared remarks, a remediation or environmental or something. Can you remind us again, is that all done, is it like in appeals, does it get lingering and exactly what all transpired just there quickly?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

It was something that we had reserved for over the last few years and we got more information in terms of that specific situation, and given the external reports and the information we got, we felt that we needed to reduce the reserve.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

So, it was basically unlocking of accrued reserve, is that the way to think of it?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

Yes, that's the way to think of it. And the environmental stuff is always very challenging and you rely on outside experts and you make your accounting entries based on the reports you get from them, and we got new information from our outside expert.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

Okay. And then finally, my concluding question is, is that reserve unlocking? Did you mention the dollar amount or maybe it's in the footnotes, which I haven't got to yet?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

I believe it was $4.4 million.

Jim Suva

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

Okay, thank you very much for the clarification, greatly appreciated gentlemen.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Citibank. Your line is open

Operator, we have time for one more question.

Operator

Operator

Your last question comes from Sean Hannan with Needham & Co. Your line is open.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Thanks for squeezing me in here, and Jure and Bob also, just to pass along, congratulations, great working with you Jure as well, and certainly Bob, looking forward to working with you more moving forward here. So, I'm just looking at your shares here in the aftermarket and you folks are really getting whacked here, and as I look at the guide, you've missed Street consensus on top and bottom line, but the numbers aren't that big, it's maybe 2% top line, $0.03 on the earnings. What I'm trying to perhaps reconcile is, when you think about where our numbers were and when you think about how you've put together your guidance for today, were we the Street too high in our expectation for how you'd sequentially progress here through the course of the year, or otherwise, is it the magnitude of perhaps the component constraints or some of these delays that are a little bit more transitory that are the impact, and could you maybe bracket some type of numbers around that for how we should have otherwise thought about what you'd be looking at going into September?

Jure Sola

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Sean, I'll turn this really to Bob to give you more details, but let me make one statement. First of all, the forecasting, it's always difficult. I mean we spend a lot of time analyzing these things and the numbers. So you're right, if you look at our numbers here, it's a few pennies here and there. And as I said, there are so many different ways we could see that top line of our guidance, but I'll leave it there. But I think also you need to look at is what we accomplished in the last nine months. If you look at it, as I said, we have grown top line over 6%, and EPS in last – we have grown 23%. So, I think if you look at overall numbers, it's great. And most importantly, what we have here is what we have, as I said, the most important is our customer base expanded of the business, the revenue base is a lot stronger today than we had it in last 17 years, okay. So, I think end of the day, for us it's all about focusing on basics and making sure that we deliver what's in front of us, and you have a commitment from us to do that. I'll turn it over to Bob to give you more details.

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Okay, thanks Jure. Sean, I just want to confirm your question was with respect to the fourth quarter?

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Yes, that's correct, because frankly, and it's just my perspective, I was surprised by – I'm not surprised to see you folks down in the aftermarket but I'm surprised by the magnitude. So, as I try to understand that and interpret what the market is telling us on this guidance, and on the flip side then trying to understand [indiscernible], in a normalized fashion, where would you have otherwise been if we didn't have some of these perhaps component issues or some of these more transitory program delays, what should we really have been otherwise looking at or did we as the Street just had it all wrong and we mapped it too aggressively?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Okay. It sounds like you're asking a little bit about both quarters. So first of all, you guys have a really challenging job, it's not easy, and I know that because it's not easy for us and we have more information. So, with respect to the third quarter, I mean we obviously did not expect some of these one-time events, and I think had we just not had even one of those, we would have been above the midpoint and we would have been much more solid in terms of revenue. In terms of the fourth quarter, as you know, we only give guidance out a quarter at a time, which is part of what makes your job so difficult. And in general we believe we've got a number of wins that look really promising over the next few quarters. Things rarely move in a linear fashion, so I can't tell you precisely what's going to happen over the next few quarters, but we definitely feel like we've got enough new programs that we should be able to continue growing the business over the next few quarters.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

I'm not sure I'm going to [lead] [ph] you too much here, what I want to make sure is I understand the spirit of what your comment is, is it sounds that if we are having that sequential slight tick-up here in the fiscal fourth quarter, that there is an expectation on your end that that should continue in some manner on a sequential basis based on what you're seeing today?

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Again, we are really cautious in terms of giving guidance one quarter at a time. I think the general trends are really favorable going forward but our guidance really is for the next quarter, and we just have a number of good things going on.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Okay. All right, fair enough. Thanks Bob.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Sean, let me add to that. I think if you look at it just from economical point of view and if I compare it to a year ago, there is a lot more confidence about the future than a year ago. I think we have a lot better picture and a lot better programs in place to focus on. So, we are excited about future.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Okay, that's actually very helpful. Thanks Jure.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Ladies and gentlemen, that's all we have. Hope we answered most of your questions. If not, please give us a call and we'll be glad to hear from you. Thank you very much.

Bob Eulau

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Thanks everyone.

Jure Sola

Analyst · Needham & Co. Your line is open

Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.