Richard Hough
Analyst · Janney Montgomery Scott.
Oh right, thank you. So the EBITDA margin, when we are in a steady state business that's really growing nicely is anywhere from 27% to, call it, 32% at the very highest, which we saw at the end of 2021. To get that high, usually requires performance fees. We haven't had performance fees since the end of 2021. Performance fees, almost all go to the bottom line and are great boost to cash flow and therefore, EBITDA.
When we're investing in the business and growth is slower, you're going to see that EBITDA get hit. We saw that happen in 2023, 2022. And of course, we're accruing more for compensation this year as a result. We did see an uptick, as you know, from the first quarter of last year to first quarter of this year. I think I can't really give you a good projection of what will happen with that EBITDA because we have pointed out that we are going to hit EBITDA, we're going to hit earnings to invest in new personnel.
I think I provided a lot of guidance on that last year. Here we are, we're doing it. This is just one example of this team, but the timing of the growth of the assets and revenue that would increase EBITDA is not entirely known. So to tell you what direction that may go for the rest of the year, I can't really forecast for you. In the past, when we've made these investments at, say, 28% EBITDA margin, 29%, [ often 27% ], we were growing faster than those investments. So in effect, those investments were hidden.
With the narrow market last year, the slower progress, the unsupportive market, as you know, '22, what we're doing with regards to those investments is more apparent in the EBITDA. I just think it has been very important for me to be very straightforward as it was last year about what we're doing and that this ultimately in a normalized environment, will drive higher EBITDA margins. I do seek to push the company back into the mid- to high 20% EBITDA margins, but that's going to take a bit. We have to see this business come in. We have to see the pipeline, I just talked about, come to fruition.