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Sabre Corporation (SABR)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 14, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Sabre Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that today's call is being recorded and is also being broadcast live over the Internet on the Sabre Corporate website. This broadcast is the property of Sabre. Any redistribution, re-transmission, or rebroadcast of this call in any form without the express written consent of the company is strictly prohibited. I will now turn the call over to the Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr. Barry Sievert. Go ahead, sir.

Barry Sievert

Management

Thank you, Lean, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2017 earnings call. This morning we issued an earnings release, which is available on our website at investors.sabre.com. The slide presentation, which accompanies today's prepared remarks, is also available during this call on the Sabre IR webpage. A replay of today's call, along with the slide presentation, will be available on our website beginning this afternoon. Throughout today's call, we will be presenting certain non-GAAP financial measures, which have been adjusted to exclude certain items. All references during today's call to EBITDA, operating income, EPS, and net income have been adjusted for these items. The most directly comparable GAAP measures and reconciliations for non-GAAP measures are available in the earnings release and other documents posted on our website at investors.sabre.com. We'd like to advise you that our comments contain certain forward-looking statements. These statements include among others disclosures of our guidance, including revenue, EBITDA, operating income, net income, EPS, cash flow, and CapEx, our expected segment results, the effects of changes in accounting standards and U.S. tax reform, and the effects from new or renewed agreements, products and implementations, our expectations of industry trends, and various other forward-looking statements regarding our business. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made on today's call. Information concerning the risks and uncertainties that could affect our financial results is contained in our SEC filings, including our 2016 Form 10-K and our third quarter 2017 Form 10-Q. Participating with me on today's call are Sean Menke, our President and Chief Executive Officer; Rick Simonson, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Chris Nester, our Treasurer and Senior Vice President of Finance. Sean will start us off and provide a review of our strategic and commercial performance and outlook. Rick will offer additional perspective on our financial results and forward outlook and following that Chris will walk you through some of the reporting changes we’ll be making in 2018, update you on our estimate of the impact of U.S. tax reform and ASC 606, a new Accounting Standard on revenue recognition as well as provide additional detail on the forward outlook in light of these items. We will then open the call to your questions. We have a lot to cover today so we anticipate the call going a bit longer than normal. With that, I'll turn the call over to Sean.

Sean Menke

President

Thanks, Barry, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on our fourth quarter and full year earnings call. As Barry said we do have a lot to cover today and actually have more to share with you at our upcoming Investor Day on March 6. Before I get into my prepared remarks just a couple of things I do want to touch upon. You’re going to hear us talk a lot about what we’ve been doing over the last year as it relates to technology and products. You’re going to hear us talk about really the engagement that we’ve had with our customers and very positive engagement with those customers and also thinking about the end traveler. One thing that we have really focused on as we thought about our strategy going forward is how do we make sure that we’re positioned at the best or at the front as it relates to retailing, distribution and fulfillment and you’re going to understand how we really think about our travel ecosystem, the ecosystem that we’re in. In that we have a very strong strategy and focus of that as we roll into 2018 and it is focused on rigor and accountability. I think the last thing I’d like to say is really looking at the team and thanking the team of this organization. They have weathered a lot over the last year and the amount that they have accomplished is quite significant so like I said I'm very proud of them. As mentioned 2017 was a transformational year for Sabre. We infused our leadership team with fresh ideas, evolved our technology, enhanced our customer engagement strategies and realized efficiencies in our SG&A and total technology investment. In the face of these significant undertakings we delivered financial results…

Richard Simonson

Management

Thanks, Sean. In Q4, total revenue growth of 6% was driven by strong growth in Travel Network and Hospitality Solutions with a modest decline in Airline Solutions due to the impact of Southwest. Adjusted operating income declined due to the increased depreciation and amortization. However, with a more favourable tax rate, we saw double-digit growth in adjusted net income and 19% growth in adjusted EPS. In Q4, strong travel network revenue growth of 9% was driven by solid bookings growth and above average growth in booking fees, driven by favourable customer, pricing and positive mix. Including the impact of double-digit bookings growth in Asia-Pacific, a higher value region for us. As expected, Travel Network EBITDA margin was impacted by higher incentive expense, mainly due to the large agency renewals signed in 2016, as well as regional mix and ramping up a key travel agency in Asia-Pacific. We expect the impact of large agency renewals on Travel Network EBITDA margin to moderate in 2018. The modest decline in operating income was driven primarily by increased depreciation and amortization. For the full year, Travel Network EBITDA eclipsed $1 billion for the first time. Travel Network full year EBITDA margin of 39.4% was at the high-end of our expectations. Bookings growth was solid in the fourth quarter, reflecting a strong macro environment. We saw particular strength in Asia-Pacific due to continued progress on the implementation of a key travel customer. Solid full year bookings growth of 4% was driven by increases in every region. Fourth quarter bookings growth was strongest in Asia-Pacific, EMEA bookings increased 4%, Latin America bookings improved significantly and North American bookings growth was relatively flat in the quarter. In Airline and Hospitality solutions, Q4 Hospitality Solutions revenue growth in the mid-teens was offset somewhat by a modest decline in…

Chris Nester

Management

Thanks, Rich. When you review our 2018 guidance, there are two new important items to consider. First, the impact of U.S. tax reform is expected to reduce our effective tax rate to approximately 24% versus previous expectations for approximately 30% in 2018. This tax rate reduction is expected to increase adjusted EPS by $0.12 in 2018 before incorporate the impact of ASC 606. Because we're not currently and materially U.S. cash taxpayer due to our NOL balances this will not have a material benefit to free cash flow in 2018. Also in 2018, capital intensity is expected to begin to decline as a percent of revenue and we expect roughly flat CapEx year-over-year. As we reallocate investment dollars into accelerating our use of private and public cloud environment and continue to invest in enhancements for stability, security and GDPR compliance, cost associated with these investments are expected to increasingly rotate to operating expense as appose to CapEx. In 2018, we expect these investments to increase P&L technology operating expenses by approximately $30 million, which reduce adjusted EPS by $0.08. Over half of this expense is expected to be driven by our GDPR compliance efforts, which is the European Union's new general data protection regulation. Furthermore, we have an update to our previous preliminary ASC 606 guidance. The adoption of ASC 606 is expected to reduce Sabre revenue and operating income by approximately $40 million and reduce adjusted EPS by approximately $0.11, based on the midpoint of our current estimated range. This is at the bottom of our previously disclosed expected revenue reduction range of $40 million to $80 million. Before I walk you through the impact of these items in more detail, let me walk you through two important changes we are making to reporting in 2018 that we believe…

Sean Menke

President

Thanks, Chris. And we're going to let you take a break, take a breath or two. There has probably never been a more dynamic and exciting time to be doing what we're doing here at Sabre. Since I took on the role of CEO a little over a year ago, everyone at Sabre have made the commitment to reimagine everything we are doing. We operate in a space where there is an enormous potential for platform technology to be genuinely transformational. And if you ask any of our customers and partners they would agree across the business of travel, technology can touch and enhance every aspect of traveler's journey through optimization and personalization. Where our customers will also tell you this, they're looking for a strong partner to take a leadership role and deliver on the promise that technology holds for travel. Our goal one share by everyone at Sabre is to be that partner and leader. We'll have much more to say about this in significant detail at our upcoming Investor Day in Dallas on March 6th. I hope you can join us because there is so much we're doing that will have a positive impact on our customers both today and in the future. In addition to checking out some of our product demos and meeting to new faces on our management team, I hope you'll take these things away. And understanding of how we believe we are positioned to lead in retailing, distribution and fulfillment. Confidence in our technology strategy and approach, clarity on how we believe we are competitively well positioned and focused on growth, visibility into how we engage with our customers as a partner and trusted advisor, alignment with how we will communicate our strategies KPIs and progress going forward, and along with our medium outlook comfort and how we believe we are responsible stewards of shareholder capital. In closing, the short story is this, we finished the year strong, and we'll carry the momentum forward in 2018. Across our businesses we have clearly defined objectives our market and making smart investment in both people and products and share a real sense of the optimism as we look ahead. With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer.

Jed Kelly

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Great, thanks for taking my question. Can you talk to what's driving some of the slope in North America in relation [technical difficulty] and further and then my second question is…

Sean Menke

President

Hey Jed, we're having trouble hearing you. Could you speak up just a little bit?

Jed Kelly

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Sorry. Yes just on North America, on the slower growth. Can you talk to what's driving that and your current relationship with the OTAs? And then just on the reduction or just the slower CapEx growth in 2018, do you think you have you invested well enough in technology to maintain share gains with some of your higher technology required partners?

Sean Menke

President

Yes, let me kick off -- let me answer the first piece of that, this is Sean. And then I'll kick it to Chris and Rick on the second piece. If you look at it and there is one reason I went through, let me start on the technology side. The investments relative to really core capabilities and you have to break it down relatively to what we're doing on the brick and mortar side and what we're doing on the OTA side. If you look at Sabre Red Workspace and what I walked through relative to what we're getting as it relates to productivity gains and the workforce the other thing that we're also seeing is conversion uplift for our customers and that's important as we look at the future how tickets are essentially going to be sold, we feel very well positioned there. The other piece of it going on to what I would consider to be the shopping OTA side of the equation, we’re seen significant improvements as I mentioned and we’ll get into greater detail on that on Investor Day and walk people through. But in doing that you have the competitive aspect as it relates to just having the systems of the able process have the bookability and complete that transaction we feel very good about that. You then get into sort of the global makeup as it relates to just the competitive space in OTAs over the last several years you can see that we had pretty significant gains within the EMEA marketplace and as each of these OTAs begins to grow around the world their balancing going from a single GDS to a multi-GDS and then in doing that a lot of those contracts have minimums in place so you have to -- they end of having a point throughout the year that they're managing those contracts. So you know all-in-all your relative to where we are from a technology perspective, I feel really good what we've done. There is still very competitive marketplace that sits out there in the OTA space. As you know if you look from a TMC perspective we have a largest global share those continue to grow and feel very confident in the capabilities moving forward.

Richard Simonson

Management

Hey Joe, this is Rick on the CapEx in 2018, I think is a reflection of what we talked about in 2017. First, we significantly moderated our CapEx in 2017 against the expectations that's combination through what we're doing around the shopping complex that Sean mentioned in that movement to the cloud and having capacity on the floor, but that we buy by the drink instead of having a paid for servers that you only use at peak period, so that's one. Remember also in Travel network Sabre Red Workspace and platform underneath that was built and invested in previous years, we got out and we are rolling that out now. So you don't need that additional lift. And continuing our movement and our ability now to move products and have them cloud deployed this is the rotation that Chris and I were talking about of less CapEx intensity some of that moves to OpEx, but overall it's contributing to a decline in our total technology costs that in terms of percentage of revenue. Now remember, our technology cost growing in the low single-digits total technology less than growth in revenue that’s in the mid plus single-digit still means our total technology spend is going to increase a bit. So we believe, yes, we are putting the right amount of technology cost investment into the business, we’re doing it more efficiently. And again in 2017 was the year of transition from where we’ve had to refocus and reset in Airline Solutions. We expected Airline Solutions to be hitting $1 billion in revenue by this time we’re at $816 million last year and we’ve talked about the reasons for that the refocus on that. So we use 2017 to make sure that we weren’t putting investment in until we knew it could be put to the right focus and that's across our reservation system, it’s across our AirVision the connected airline and a refocus in the upside. Dave Shirk is going to bring that to life on the Investor Day. So, yes, we think we have the right amount going into our spend in 2018, while we moderate the overall capital intensity.

Jed Kelly

Analyst · Oppenheimer

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll take our next question from Matthew Broome with Cowen and Company.

Matthew Broome

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Thanks very much. Can you discuss what you're seeing in your solutions pipeline on both on the airline side and hospitality?

Sean Menke

President

Yes, this is Sean, let me touch upon that. First and I am going to focus on Airline Solutions, and I am going to take a moment just talk about Dave Shirk and what he has brought to the organization. When we hire Dave we were very focused on finding somebody that was able to manage a multibillion-dollar product portfolio, really understood product management and lifecycle, it has a deep understanding of technology. What I will share with you is that the team here at Sabre has truly embraced MSE [ph], has broken down the business, understand some of the things that we needed to work through. The other important thing and the thing that I have witnessed firsthand in traveling around the world with Dave to meet with customers is they clearly like the direction that he's driving the business. And in doing that it is pretty straight talk relative to where our products are, things that we’re doing to improve those products and we’re probably since the time I've been here our relationship with airlines around the world is probably the best it's been. And in doing that when we look at it just from a pipeline perspective and you can talk about PSS, or you can talk about all products and services. The world is changing out there and what is clear is that as I continue to look at the organization the team that we have built one from really from helping sell products and services to fulfilling those products and services. There’s a high level of confidence growing in what the way we’re thinking about the business. That then drives into the pipeline and what people are looking at and one of the things that we continue to focus on is the PSS side equation.…

Matthew Broome

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Okay, thanks. And if I could just squeeze in one more, given that you’re planning to breakout your Hospitality Solutions business going forward, will you be providing a new metric associated with this business?

Sean Menke

President

We will be talking about the transactions like we talk about transactions bookings in Travel Network and Airline Solutions. So you have bookings, you have passengers boarded and you have transactions related to the hotel that’s what we’re looking to do.

Matthew Broome

Analyst · Cowen and Company

Perfect, thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs.

Jim Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Good morning, thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you can maybe just comment on the overall Travel Network business as you head into 2018 from a macro standpoint in terms of where you expect from the industry bookings perspective. And maybe can you share with us the benefits that you’re seeing in terms of Travel Center in the year and then any other partners you are bringing on this year and how much that rather ramped in Q4 of this year?

Sean Menke

President

Yes, happy to dive into that, it goes a number of different ways. So let me maybe start on the supplier side specifically airlines. It’s interesting that you watch everything that’s taking place in the marketplace and it is really different in geographic regions around the world. The one thing that I had mentioned in my prepared notes is that we had signed 40 full service content deals in the year in 2017. What that tells you is that many carriers around the world like the model the way it is probably the area that is most noted for really thinking about the model differently is definitely in the European marketplace. And as public information is out there we’re in discussions with AirFrance KLM as well as I'm sure the other GDSs on how they’re thinking about their model going forward. In the U.S. it’s relatively stable. If you look at how carriers are performing the relationships as it relates to specifically on the TMC side of the equation and important of corporate travel it’s in my mind stable and we’re having good discussions about future opportunities as we think about where does retailing distribution go. As we look at the global marketplace in growth, if you look at our footprint it is a little more centric to the North America growth. Other parts of growth are growing faster so as we look at comparisons and this is one thing if you sort of reflect back on market share where the bulk of our sort of business is, is in slower growth region so we’re seeing some impact on shares as it relates to that. The other thing and I did touched upon this earlier and this gets into more of the agency side of the equation, it really does get into what we’re doing on the technology side and again we’ll touch a lot on this on Investor Day. But it is one on the importance of what we are doing as it relates to the shopping complex what we have done with Sabre Red Workspace. All-in-all when I look at 2018, and I sort of put this in perspective of the Hospitality business as well as Travel Network, feel really good about where we are. As we had mentioned in 2017 the areas of focus for Airline Solutions and our technology and we have done a lot to address that and we’ll have a lot more to share on Investor Day.

Chris Nester

Management

Hey Jim, this is Chris. I’d just add a point back to what I said in my remarks on the Travel Network guidance of 4% to 6% revenue growth driven by bookings growth of 4% to 6%. So again that implies a very solid travel environment, I think consistent with what we saw in 2017 also reflects the benefit of the ramp up of the large agency account in Asia-Pacific we have been referring to.

Jim Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Okay, that’s helpful. Maybe just as a follow-up on the financial side, I appreciate all of the detail you gave around the investments and that was still very good to see and obviously there is a lot of moving parts for this year, but maybe from a normalized standpoint maybe if you can share with us your expectations or ambitions about what EBITDA margins or operating margins can expand at going forward?

Sean Menke

President

Yes, Jim appreciate that, we’re going to go through that in detail at Investor Day on the medium-term guidance. And what we wanted to do is frame 2018 and make sure that with all the parts changes ASC 606, tax reform all of that that was clear of what we've been talking about coming into this day is clear in bridge to 2018 hopefully we’ve accomplish that. And we’re going to give a little bit more detail in terms of the margins with emphasis on operating income at Investor Day.

Jim Schneider

Analyst · Goldman Sachs

Fair enough. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we will take our next question from Abhey Lamba with Mizuho Securities.

Abhey Lamba

Analyst · Mizuho Securities

Yes, thank you. Rick can you talk about what drove the pricing benefit in Travel Network this quarter and it seems like based on your guidance you are not assuming that pricing benefit to sustain in 2018? So what are the drivers behind pricing that you are assuming for 2018?

Richard Simonson

Management

So the pricing benefit in 2017 was driven by EMEA on the supplier side, Europe, Middle East Africa, higher booking fee growth, as well as some of the dynamics with some of the big carriers there in terms of what they're experimenting in the marketplace that was the primary driver there. We have the benefit of the normal kind of inflationary increase as you look across the rest of the world. So we don't expect that incremental impact of 2017 continuing onto 2018. So we would expect rather flat growth in pricing in 2018 that's what we said is incorporated into our guidance. So not similar booking fee growth is to 2017.

Abhey Lamba

Analyst · Mizuho Securities

Got it, thanks. And lastly Sean, what is being NDC Level 3 certified mean, what are the other milestones in that process and how should we kind of expect it to help you financials? That's it for me.

Sean Menke

President

Yes, so it is if you look at it and we did this and we’ll spend more time at Investor Day because it's helpful. If you look at it, the phases of NDC of 1, 2 and 3 and you have it really think about on the PSS side of the equation and that's what I've mentioned and then you have it on the aggregator side which is the GDS side. When you reach level 3 you actually have the capability of working with an airline to allow them to build that offer. So today when an offer is built the offer is built by the GDS it pulls essentially -- pulls the availability, it pulls the schedule and it pulls the firm brings that together. What it means is that we have worked with a specific partner out there to be able to show that we can actually have that built within their system. And that's really what level 3 does on the call it the PSS side of the equation. The important thing is you have to have those similar capabilities as you move through it on the aggregator side which is the GDS.

Abhey Lamba

Analyst · Mizuho Securities

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Ashish Sabadra with Deutsche Bank.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Congrats on the solid results. And thanks for providing all the details and splitting out the Hospitality Solution segment, I think that will provide a lot more clarity about the growth profile there. My question was on the technology initiative, Sean you highlighted a lot of the technology initiatives. My question specifically was how does it help you on your competitive positioning particularly on the Travel Network site? And then if you can just quickly comment on the response time with the move to private cloud infrastructure, how is your response time, bookability all of those things. Thanks.

Sean Menke

President

Yes, thanks for asking the question. And I'll take a moment and get into a little detail here. And this is going to be off the top of my head, so I might be off a little bit, but let me just walk you through how this is done. So as you know and this is really focused on the shopping complex and what we've gone, so there is three primary components right is when you look at it it's one that we have to pull in the airline schedules we have to be able to pull in the pricing then we have to pull in the availability. Now remember and this gets into the complexity people often ask me about can you be disrupted, can you to be displaced, I mean, you start thinking about the volumes by which we go and we do these things as we probably have 7 million to 8 million schedules that are stored on a daily basis. We probably have $100 million fairs that are out there and when you look at $100 million fairs you're probably talking close to $0.5 billion fair rules sits on top of it. So it's a level of complexity that's there. And then we have to go and get seat availability. So our shopping complex is really -- and it's run by a system called Bargain Finder Max. And we called it BFM for short. So what it really does is it's the shopping engine for OTA customers that we have our airline customers or websites, Sabre Red Workspace. And this is technology that was and it's open technology that we launched in 2016. And now as I walk through in a great level of detail it's hosted in the private cloud across the three data centers.…

Chris Nester

Management

Can I add something there, Ashish I think the takeaway for everybody is look, our shopping complex it’s running and build on and on the most modern architecture, it’s deployed in the cloud, it’s got all the redundancy, it delivers on average our shops well below 3 seconds. We’ve the bargain max, bargain finder max feature as Sean talked about, and the cashing, we call it instant flight, it returns in milliseconds that’s for the ones that don’t need live. All of that results in being absolutely at or the leader in terms of what the customers value in terms of returning their shop, and we’ve gotten the lower cost out of that. In addition to the three areas that we prioritize the hardware and software algorithms the uses of pre-calculated search result. Important thing is as well we have real time visibility to see, are there netters [ph] or other sites out there that are shopping, but not buying, and there are. And we’re able to then throttle them or move them to a very low or no cost system, or even in some cases, they’re not -- customer out of the edge that drive any value. So, I would add that last one as well.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Thanks a lot. This is very helpful. Maybe just a quick question on the solutions side, TAM Airlines do you have a tentative timeline, when that goes live?

Sean Menke

President

As we stated before, it’s our mid-year, what I can share is we did what is called C1 and that happened in couple of weeks ago. And there’s two phases of a cutover, one is really the selling of future products, which means there’s a date in the future that everything is being sold on SabreSonic platform, or goes to the SabreSonic platform, that has been completed. And then as it relates to the cutover date, I want to be respectful of LATAM and allow them to be talking about that. But based on where I sit right now feel comfortable with what the team has accomplished. And as you can imagine there continues to be a significant amount of work to get ready for the actual cutover on operations.

Ashish Sabadra

Analyst · Deutsche Bank

Thanks, and congrats once again.

Operator

Operator

And we’ll take our next question from Brian Essex with Morgan Stanley.

Brian Essex

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Hey, good morning and thank you for taking the question. I guess, Sean, you mentioned you had signed 40 full service content deals. Can you comment about pricing in those deals? And may be on IAG, in particular what’s happening there in terms of was -- are they still -- do they have GDS fee attached with their bookings and how those conversations went during the process?

Sean Menke

President

So, let me just start with the deals that were signed throughout the year, they’re in line with every deal, if you go back in history, deals that we’ve signed relative to where we’ve been, what I would considered to be in pricing. And this happens just on an annualized basis relative to these deals being opened. We have probably I think it’s about 400 to 450 total contracts with airlines around the world. So it's approximately 10% of our business and that's something normally we do. On the IAG side of equations, the way that it really broken down is that you have this private channel that in doing that the agreement that we signed is that if agencies -- or if IAG elects to have an agency go to the private channel, there is no incentive that we actually pay to that agency in return there is a lower rate that is paid to us. And it allows them to manage the agencies. Then there is a group that sits out there that is not in the private channel and they actually operate under the PCA agreement is the content that IAG would like to provide. And with that they pay us higher rates and we continue to pay the agencies the incentive agreements that we've agreed upon historically.

Brian Essex

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And how does that shake out on that pricing basis given the volume that you have or you may or may not have visibility into?

Sean Menke

President

Yes, I mean, it's happening right now, right? This as you look at it, it's very -- I got to be very careful on what I say here and what I mean by that is that it's all paying out from the perspective of there is agencies that have signed up for the agreements, there is agencies that haven't signed up for the agreement, there is a whole cycle period associated with that. Often as we saw in previous changes that are out there or how do agencies respond relative to what carriers are they booking with? So there is so many multiple factors that I think it’s just too early to provide a clear level of commentary.

Chris Nester

Management

Brian and earlier as I said, I mean, right now we get to the same or better economics, but we're early in the development of that as Sean mentioned.

Brian Essex

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Got it. And then maybe Rick or Sean for you guys on the CFO transition, any update on that I understand it’s still early stages, but catalyst for that? And then what the profile of the optimal candidate might look like?

Sean Menke

President

Yeah, let me keep this rather simple. So we are in market as you assume, we have a list of candidates that we are reviewing right now beginning to meet with some of those. I'm actually sitting next to a very viable candidate internally, Chris Nester right here. But the important thing for me as I look at where we are and I look into the future is be in a responsible steward of the organization, I want to make sure that we are looking at really a number of candidates understanding what Chris's capabilities are, but also the marketplace. And when we get to the appropriate time to announce our new CFO we'll do that.

Brian Essex

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Great, very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Neil Steer with Redburn.

Neil Steer

Analyst · Redburn

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Just two quick ones if I could. So firstly, you gave some metrics on the call with regard to SabreSonic volumes I think in 2018 pre and including and excluding the impact of Southwest, sorry I missed those, could you give them again?

Chris Nester

Management

Yes, so including Southwest down 4.5% to 5.5% and without the impact of Southwest up 4% to 6%.

Neil Steer

Analyst · Redburn

Okay. And is there any price presumably there is a little bit of price inflation that we can assume on the airline IT side this year is that correct?

Sean Menke

President

Well, we haven’t broken that out specifically, the revenue guidance Southwest ASC 606 is up low single-digit. So that’s historically down on pricing on Airline Solutions.

Neil Steer

Analyst · Redburn

Okay, thanks. And just on the Travel Network side obviously you are guiding for flat prices this year, but mentioned in response to a question earlier on that in many markets there was in any an inflationary adjustment so I appreciate that that’s small but presumably there is a small price increase that we can assume this year?

Richard Simonson

Management

This is Rich, as I said we are assuming our guidance based on is flat for 2018. And kind of hit the ins and outs we had higher than normal in 2017 for the reasons that we talked about.

Sean Menke

President

Yes, I think I mean our range is 4% to 6%. So there were some movement there between bookings and rates within that 4% to 6% and part of it will be one of the regional mix of bookings that helm throughout the year. But yes, so there might be some pricing uplift but solid enough 4% to 6% range for total revenue.

Neil Steer

Analyst · Redburn

Okay, thanks very much.

Sean Menke

President

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Matt Pfau with William Blair.

Matthew Pfau

Analyst · William Blair

Hey guys thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to touch bit on the 2018 guidance. So for the Solutions and the Travel Network businesses, are there any significant renewals that we should be aware of? And then specifically on the solution side of the business, are there any sort of important implementations that you're reliant upon for the 2018 guidance? Thanks.

Sean Menke

President

Yes, in Airline Solutions it's the cutover of LATAM Airlines is the significant one. Absent that it's run rate in our normal business across the broader portfolio. And in the Hospitality again, we're continuing the conversion of all the Wyndham properties on the central reservation we just completed substantially all the property management. And then again it's the underlying run rate of the global good growth rate of hotels onto our CRS system. So those are the dynamics there.

Chris Nester

Management

I would add on the specific question about renewals I mean, we are constantly renewing contracts with agency hotels and airlines and 2018 is no different as far as how that pace of renewal is playing out.

Matthew Pfau

Analyst · William Blair

Got it, that's it for me. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Dan Wasiolek with Morningstar.

Dan Wasiolek

Analyst · Morningstar

Hi, guys. Good morning. So you guys have touched upon the critical mass scale and aggregation scale that your Travel Network has. Just wondering how that competitive set plays against a Google Flight Search that’s starting to integrate some additional tools if that's a typical competitor? Thanks.

Sean Menke

President

So this is Sean, let me touch upon that. So as we travel around meet with a lot of customers, this is a major question that comes up. The important thing is as we look at it and we continue to look at what's taking place is more on what Google meaning ITA formally, ITA now Google is more on the search side of the equation not the transaction side of the equation. As we continue to think about it as they continue to stay focused more on the search side versus the actual transaction side. The transaction side does drive a lot of investment that know as we look at really willing to go down that path. I think part of the complexity that I keep talking about is one thing that's important to us as we continue to manage through and how do we actually help build products and services, but also the fulfillment side of the equation. And that's one thing you're definitely going to hear at Investor Day that I think people need to make sure that they completely understand not only the front end retail and the distribution side of it but also the fulfillment side. There is really only two companies in the world that can do that. And when I look at it and what we're trying going to get accomplish is yes, I look at everybody every competitor out there as somebody we need to be aware of, but I also very focused on our capabilities and how do we continue to enhance those capabilities and have that interaction throughout the complete sort of chain of events that take place. And that's something our customers are definitely looking towards.

Dan Wasiolek

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay, great. And then just real quickly if I could, on Copa is that still on implementation that's maybe targeted for next year?

Chris Nester

Management

So remember they delayed the cutover on the reservations product they’ve taken up other important products of ours over the years. So that’s still in discussion no update there.

Dan Wasiolek

Analyst · Morningstar

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have time for one more question. Our next question comes from Brad Erickson with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Brad Erickson

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Hi guys. Just one follow-up I guess, there is a lot of normalizing obviously to be evaluated in the guidance here that you called out. But kind of cutting through a lot of that seems like you're guiding kind of both sort of the businesses to be sort of in the mid-single-digit range. And I guess if you include some margin expansion there looking little further out it obviously get to say high single-digits earnings growth on a normalized basis. Is that kind of the right magnitude of earnings growth that you're targeting longer term? And maybe if you could hit any additional levers that would put you on the path to say double-digit earnings growth longer term or is just putting it that I guess too ambitious at this point?

Richard Simonson

Management

Brad, you got it right for 2018, but I'm not giving mid-term guidance here today.

Brad Erickson

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

I guess just relative to the guidance and in the comments today. What would be some potential upside drivers to the kind of numbers you’ve laid out today just the possible levers. If you could give us any help there?

Richard Simonson

Management

Yes, no, that's fine, helpful. What have we been talking about all in 2017 as we've done our refocuses. Look we really feel like we've got good steady strong revenue growth in Travel Network and Hospitality Solutions. We had issues to deal within Airline Solutions we lost the revenue growth there. But as Sean talked a lot and you’ll hear more about it from Dave Shirk is we’ve really reestablished the focus and the credibility with our customers there and really delivered on the initiatives that we needed to say okay here’s how we can continue to deliver value to you and get them to recognize that and can pay for it. So the bigger driver is when we return back to kind of the organic plus level growth in Airline Solutions that’s really the slowing factor.

Brad Erickson

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets

Got it thanks.

Operator

Operator

And with that, I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Menke for closing remarks. Mr. Menke?

Sean Menke

President

Great, thank you very much. I think the important thing I’d really like to close with is steady progress. It’s been a year a little over year that I’ve been in the seat I know the state of where the organization was last year. We came out and provided a refresh of what we thought was going to happen in the business we’ve delivered that. But what I also has seen is the amount of work that’s taking place internally across all aspects of our business be within the business units, be within our technology organization. And there is real positive momentum and focus that is there. And it’s very clear relative to as I travel around the world, meet with the team members, but probably just as importantly the feedback that we’re getting from our customers and it’s really strong feedback. And it is important to understand that many of our customers clearly understand that they need help in technology evolving and I definitely believe we are the right company to do that. So with that, we look forward to seeing you on March 6, at Investor Day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.