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Rhythm Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (RYTM)

Q1 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, May 7, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Rhythm Pharmaceuticals Q1 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, David Connolly, Executive Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please go ahead.

David Connolly

Analyst

Thank you, Stephen. I'm Dave Connolly here at Rhythm Pharmaceuticals. For those of you participating on the conference call, our slides can be accessed and controlled by going to the Investors section on the Investors page of our website, ir.rhythmtx.com. This morning, we issued our press release that provides our first quarter 2024 financial results and business update, and that is available on our website. As listed on Slide 2 is our agenda. Here with me today in Boston are David Meeker, our Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President; Jennifer Lee, Executive Vice President, Head of North America; Hunter Smith, our Chief Financial Officer; and Yann Mazabraud, Executive Vice President, Head of International, is on the line joining us from Europe. And on Slide 3, I'll remind you that this call contains remarks concerning future expectations, plans and prospects, which constitute forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in our most recent annual or quarterly reports on file with the SEC. In addition, any forward-looking statements represents our views as of only today and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent dates. We specifically disclaim any obligation to update such statements. With that, I'll turn the call over to David Meeker, who will begin on Slide 5.

David Meeker

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining this morning. So we're pleased to report another solid quarter as we build out the opportunity in rare MC4R pathway diseases with a larger vision of becoming a leading company in rare neuroendocrine diseases. I only have 2 slides today, followed by some additional commentary. As listed on Slide 5, Rhythm's value drivers remain unchanged. Near term, it is about BBS commercial execution and making IMCIVREE the standard of care for those patients suffering from early onset obesity and hyperphagia in our approved indication. HO offers a significant expansion opportunity, and our MC1R-sparing next-generation programs offer the potential for much improved therapeutic options for both patients and both provide IP protection beyond 2040. Recent highlights include the recently completed convertible preferred financing, which extends our runway well into 2026 and fully funds our investment in the LG Chem molecule. Hunter will speak to that in more detail. Second, on Slide 6, our Phase II HO data was published in Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology, reminding the world again why we are excited about the difference we can make in this disease. Mean BMI decreased by 14.5% at 16 weeks and 25.5% at 1 year for patients who had 12 months of data. The unmet need in hypothalamic obesity is significant with an estimated 5,000 to 10,000 patients in just the U.S., and there are no approved therapies. Our clinical programs continue on track with a 120-patient pivotal cohort of our Phase III HO trial fully enrolled and Japan set to enroll its first patients. We overenrolled the trial with a total of 131 patients, excluding the 12 patients expected to be enrolled in Japan, and the total number of dropouts remain remarkably low. And all that speaks to the commitment and enthusiasm of both…

Jennifer Chien

Analyst

Thank you, David. The consistent steady demand for IMCIVREE we've seen in the recent quarters has continued the first quarter of this year, and we are making ongoing progress and positive reimbursement decisions and adding breadth and depth to our prescriber base. Beginning on Slide 8, through all of our education efforts supported by our cross-functional teams, we continue to identify HCPs with already diagnosed BBS patients as well as help to facilitate an earlier diagnosis for additional patients. This provides us the opportunity to educate HCPs about the benefits of IMCIVREE as the first and only precision medicine to target the impairment in the MC4 pathway, the root cause of hyperphagia and early onset obesity in BBS patients. During the quarter, we received approximately 100 new prescriptions for IMCIVREE to treat patients with BBS here in the United States, in addition to gaining approximately 70 approvals for reimbursement. These top-level metrics reinforce the confidence we have in the BBS opportunity over the long term, as well as our team's ability to execute to pull through the opportunity. On Slide 9, we're pleased to report continued consistent growth with prescribers. We now have more than 425 prescribers for BBS launch to date. The breakdown by specialty remains consistent. Adult and pediatric endocrinologists account for 45% of prescribers launched to date, consistent with launch date metrics reported in the last few quarters. More physicians are seeing the potential benefit of IMCIVREE and prescribing for the first time. Among these physicians, we are also seeing consistency with new tourism prescribers, or physicians our territory managers had not called on prior to the prescription being received. We are pleased to see this source of growth continue as we find new prescribers through our nonpersonal promotion efforts to supplement our field team efforts. In…

Yann Mazabraud

Analyst

Thank you, Jennifer. I will start on Slide 12. In the international region, we are seeing steady revenue growth as we continue to advance country by country within IMCIVREE, which is now available for POMC/LEPR and BBS in 14 countries, including the United States and Canada. We began laying the foundation with biallelic POMC and LEPR, and now we are advancing into BBS in close collaboration with the key centers of excellence and experts in the region. In Spain, where we completed pricing negotiation earlier this year, we are seeing the first patients come on commercial therapy as we navigate the access state by state. In Italy, we anticipate that the first reimbursed patients will come on therapy in coming weeks. In Turkey, which we have not talked about much, IMCIVREE is available through named-patient sales, and we are seeing patients come online there, too. This is a typical approach for rare disease drugs in Turkey. And we have a very experienced team on the ground where we are making significant progresses. Launches in this country build steadily over time, and we are pleased with our current base. We will begin to see an increasing contribution to our net sales from these new launch countries in 2025. And we look forward to completing pricing negotiation in Belgium, in the Netherlands and in the United Kingdom, launching in those countries later this year. Next slide. In France and Germany, from where we are generating more than 50% of the revenues for the international region, we are expanding the field teams to meet operational needs that come with increased demand and the decentralization of the care. In France, we now have a number of patients with hypothalamic obesity on commercial drug through the pre-EMEA approval paid early-access program. As we experienced with…

Hunter Smith

Analyst

Thank you, Yann. Turning to Slide 15. As announced last month, Rhythm raised $150 million in gross cash proceeds through the issuance of convertible preferred shares. We are very pleased by the strong show of support from Perceptive Advisors and their discovery fund as well as by the support of an additional well-known life sciences investor who was and continues to be a top Rhythm shareholder. The preferred shares can be convertible into common stock at a price of $48 per share, which represented a 19% premium to the 10-day average trailing volume weighted price at the time of issuance. The preferred shares are perpetual, but Rhythm can require conversion if the price of our common stock exceeds 250% of the implied conversion price of $48 for 20 trading days and the 30 trading-day period and can redeem the preferred shares after the fifth anniversary of the closing date. In addition to the conversion features, Rhythm is also obligated to pay a 6% coupon in cash or in kind, but that coupon does not begin accruing until the second anniversary of the closing date. The result of this financing is that we now have sufficient cash to fund all planned activities well into 2026 potentially beyond multiple value-creating milestones, including the top line data readout from our Phase III trial at hypothalamic obesity currently planned for the first half of 2025. Please turn to Slide 16 for a snapshot of Q1 P&L. We recorded $26 million in net product revenue in the first quarter versus $11.5 million during the same quarter last year. Sequentially, quarter-over-quarter, we saw an increase of $1.8 million or 7% in net product revenue, driven primarily by continued growth in the number of reimbursed patients on IMCIVREE therapy in both our international region and in the…

David Meeker

Analyst

Thank you, Hunter. So if you look back over the 16-year history of Rhythm, I think it's fair to say we've never been better positioned. And our approved indication, IMCIVREE, is establishing itself as a standard of care, and we have all the necessary elements required to develop a sustainable, profitable rare disease business. We are executing on the biggest opportunity, which is an HO with [ Alstein ] suggesting our original excitement was justified. And we are well funded to do what we need to do to get to those value inflecting points. And with that, we'll now open it up for Q&A. Stephen?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] First question comes from the line of Derek Archila of Wells Fargo.

Derek Archila

Analyst

Just 2 from us. So I guess, through some of our KOL checks, we've heard some emerging clusters of Bardet-Biedl patients treated in the U.S. with Native American and Hispanic kind of heritage. So I just wanted to kind of understand if that's accurate and if you could kind of shed some light on those clusters? And then secondly, just -- I wanted to understand the gating factors for 54640 trial and getting it up and running. And I guess, how many of the experienced sites from your IMCIVREE experience will be incorporated there?

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. Jennifer, do you want to take the...

Jennifer Chien

Analyst

Sure. To your first question, just regarding clusters, I think similar to other rare diseases, there can be sort of pockets of patient populations. It's based off of how the different folks start to populate and the genetics start to have potentially a different frequency impact based off of their population style. So we have seen in certain areas, the Native American as well as Hispanic population, having a higher BBS prevalence in certain areas.

David Meeker

Analyst

And -- yes. On the HO side, so we're still adding sites there. I think we anticipate having between probably 10 to 12 sites to run that HO small molecule trial. The vast majority of these are actually new sites. We have -- we'll have a couple of -- those centers will be centers that were part of our original trial. But we're running 2 trials at the same time, essentially with our weekly injectable. So we're looking for sites for that. For the Part C, we're at 4 enrolled HO patients and then, of course, for the small molecule. So -- but the small molecule itself will have about 12 sites, the vast majority of which are new to the program.

Derek Archila

Analyst

Got it. And just 1 follow-up, if I may. Just -- I want to make sure I heard you right in terms of the cadence of the readout. So obviously, Phase III HO in first half '25, but I believe you guys said that 718 data as well as the oral data could also be first half '25 for those HO patients or the HO cohort, at least for 718.

David Meeker

Analyst

Exactly. That's the expectation. And once we get these trials up and running, as always sometimes the biggest variable is the initiation, but so far, we look good, and that's my expectation. We will read those out in the first half.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Hung of Morgan Stanley.

Lee Hung

Analyst

Last quarter, you indicated 30 patients came off IMCIVREE because of the 1 state. Any updates on how many of those patients have had consults for proper documentation and how many are back on commercial drug? And then I have a follow-up.

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. No. What we've tried to emphasize there is -- so again, these patients are still going through that evaluation. What we've encouraged people to do is to take those 30 patients out. I do think we'll get some back. They are still going through, but we're not going to update sort of patient by patient in terms of that overall process. It's been quite laborious, to be honest with you. I mean getting these additional consults is not easy. The stringency of what's required is high, which is why, like I said in my comments, I don't expect us to get all 30 and maybe a significant number of those may not be able to reach the thresholds that requirements that this state has put in place specifically. So that state is covering. It covered patients. It's covered patients since we took these 30 patients off. But again, we're not going to break out more specific details on those 30 patients.

Lee Hung

Analyst

Okay. And you guys talked about the Bridge program and then how some of the patients exited that program in 1Q. Typically, how many patients enter the Bridge program in a given quarter? And then what is the average time that they remain in that program?

Jennifer Chien

Analyst

So I would say that in terms of the Bridge program, that number is variable, also just based off with the circumstances of each of these different patients. And as I outlined, it could be they change jobs, they change insurance and hence, we have to almost go through the authorization process from the start with this new payer. So that number varies over time. And I would say that in terms of time to transition them off of Bridge, that also is variable based off of the reason. But I would say that it's consistent and similar to the time in terms of even getting the authorization or the initial prior authorization in place for patients.

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. And I think to build on that, Jeff, I think what Jennifer said is a good way of thinking about it. If it takes on average 4 to 6 weeks for these patients to get through their initial authorization, that would be a good way to think about it. And I actually highlighted the Bridge program, and this has been our historical experience, some with other rare diseases we've worked on -- tends to be very successful, over 90% of the patients if you exclude the 30 patients who came out of that 1 state and went on to the Bridge program. But everybody else with that exception, about 90% plus of those patients have been able to convert back to [indiscernible] insurance and coverage in some way. So again, it's been a very successful program.

Operator

Operator

One moment for our next question. The next question comes from the line of Dae Gon Ha of Stifel.

Dae Gon Ha

Analyst

Congrats on the progress. Maybe I'll stick with 2 commercial. One, on the reimbursement or I guess, reauthorization for Jennifer. I think you've provided 2 statistics I wanted to hone in on, the more than 140 reauthorizations and the 11 that were denialed -- or, I guess, denied. Can you give us the denominator of that reauthorization number? And for those 11 specifically, like how workable is it to get them back on therapy where is it kind of lost in terms of going forward modeling purposes? . And then going over to international. Hunter, if you can clarify, did you mention 26% of this quarter's revenues are comprised of the international sales? And if so, I guess maybe Yann, if you can comment on what's been so beneficial on sort of the France and German launches that perhaps you can implement on the U.S. side to make it a little bit more sticky and compliant?

David Meeker

Analyst

So Dae, let me just clarify. So on your first question on the reauthorization. So as Jennifer said, more than 140 have had approvals, 11 have had denials of which she's worked through. So that's about 150, 151 to be exact. But I don't know, was there additional question behind that?

Jennifer Chien

Analyst

Let me just speak to the 11 denials. So one, I will say that in terms of the reauthorizations, we've been very, very successful just overall, just in terms of being able to get approvals. The 11 within the quarter, let me just break this down. I would say it's sort of similar to the number that we had outlined, which is last quarter, but they can actually get a denial for a couple of different reasons. One, it may be that they simply be missing some information, and we just need to go back to the physician to provide this additional information. That's been an opportunity just in terms of going from a denial to gaining reimbursement back for the patient. Some of it could be because they may not be getting the exact 5% in terms of weight loss. The reauthorizations can happen at less than the 1-year time point. So that may be an opportunity just in terms of follow-up because these patients are definitely gaining clinical benefit, hence, they want to as well as their physician wants to maintain them on therapy. So I think there's various different reasons just in terms of the 11 denials. But as I mentioned, we already have several of these 11 that have already been reapproved and we continue to work through the remainder.

Hunter Smith

Analyst

And Dae Gon, to your question on international, I did -- you're correct, it was 26% of sales came from outside the U.S. during the quarter, and I'll let Yann talk about their experience in Germany and France as well.

Yann Mazabraud

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Hunter. Thank you for the question. So I will start saying that the U.S. region and the international region are very different from a rare disease on scale point of view. But back to your point, what do we -- how do we cross-fertilize between the 2 regions? I think there are 3, 4 key activities that are similar for tourism for because Jennifer and I have the same culture and background and good practices in terms of rare disease. And second, because we and our teams also speak a lot. So those areas, from my point of view, are collaboration with the centers of excellence that you know that there are -- there is an important center of excellence in the U.S., more to come, more coming. And it is also the case in Europe. So how do we collaborate them, how do we leverage their experience and translate it into the publication plan, for example? That's one. Two, I would say, medical marketing activities or medical marketing omnichannel activities, field and digital, we also have changed a lot about that. Third thing that I would think about is the patient identification program. In the U.S., there is a URO program. In Europe, we have the [indiscernible] program. It's a genetic testing program. And the 4 pillars that I'm thinking at is really patient support program. The U.S., they have a very comprehensive patient support program and a team dedicated to all the patients. We do the same in Europe when we can. It's not always possible from a legal point of view, but as I've said in my presentation, the German one, for example, is also very comprehensive. And those -- this crucial activity for the patients and the patient maintenance is also something that we speak a lot about across the 2 regions.

Dae Gon Ha

Analyst

Okay. David, I guess -- sorry for the confusion. I was just wondering if there were any sort of in the pipeline for reauthorizations beyond the 140 and the 11 that you've disclosed today?

Jennifer Chien

Analyst

Yes. So once again, there's always going to be folks who are needing to get reauthorizations. And it depends on when they initiate therapy and when that time frame is for the authorization requirements, which can vary, but the majority of these are at the 1-year point. So that's a continued stream just based off of when they initiated, when they got approval, and hence, when they need to be reevaluated to ensure that they're still garnering benefit from being on therapy.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Phil Nadeau of TD Cowen.

Philip Nadeau

Analyst

Congrats on progress. Just 2 from us. So first, on Q1 revenue for IMCIVREE, does seem to be that the increase in revenue quarter-over-quarter seems to be at the lower end of what you'd expect with 70 reimbursement approvals. Can you speak to those dynamics? Was that simply the timing of the reimbursement approvals? Or did some of the issues with insurance reauthorization that you discussed play into the reported revenue in Q1? That's the first question. And then second, on DAYBREAK, can you remind us what you are likely to release during Q3 from that trial?

Hunter Smith

Analyst

So let me take the quarter-over-quarter growth. I think there are some puts and takes as there always are in these elements. Last quarter, for example, we had a GTN impact of about $600,000 on sales that was favorable that related to the release of Medicaid accruals based on actual invoices received. So that sort of sets the quarter down a little bit. Adjusted the quarter-over-quarter growth a little bit. The other thing is, when we talked about the single state Medicaid program, we did receive shipments early in the quarter for that program. So those patients went off-therapy about the middle of October, but we did receive shipments from that -- or did ship to that program for many patients in the first half of October. So that took some nonrecurring revenue out quarter-over-quarter. We did have a healthy increase in patients on therapy, and we had a healthy increase in vials dispensed. And then some of it was offset -- a smaller amount was offset by the patients going in and out of Bridge program during the first quarter, which is, I think, something we'll -- we expect as a normal first quarter occurrence. So I hope that's helpful.

Philip Nadeau

Analyst

Yes, that helps.

David Meeker

Analyst

And then Phil, on the DAYBREAK study -- so I haven't seen the data yet. What to expect, I think -- as I said right from the beginning, this was a basket trial, a signal-seeking trial. And so as we presented in our December R&D Day, we were encouraged that out of a large number of genes that we started with, there seem to be a much smaller number, but a number of genes that were of interest. So my goal is to -- we'll give you an update on those 6 genes specifically and tell you how they fared in the double-blinded placebo-controlled part of this. And then provide some insight as to how we think about going forward. But I'll caveat that expectation with -- the bar is going to be really high. We're not going to rush into another trial unless there was something that was just so incredibly compelling that it couldn't wait, one. And then two, we fully expect any additional developmental work to be done with either the small molecule and/or our weekly formulation because for obvious reasons, we see that as the long-term future of this overall franchise and any additional approvals we would look to get from those specifically. That help?

Philip Nadeau

Analyst

That's very helpful.

Operator

Operator

One moment for our next question. Next question comes from the line of Corinne Johnson of Goldman Sachs.

Corinne Jenkins

Analyst

Thanks for the color on all of the discontinuation drivers. I guess can you also help us understand when during the course of treatment patients are most likely to discontinue? And how you think about which of these factors maybe have read through, like the HL opportunity versus which ones might be more BBS-specific?

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. Let me start off, and Yann or Jennifer can add anything. So I think the majority -- not majority, but a significant percentage of these do occur early on. And again, that's -- and in fact, part of the goal of providing the level of color that we did today is just to remind people that we're not providing a therapy to a population that only has 1 illness or challenge that they're facing. I mean these Bardet-Biedl syndrome, syndrome by definition. So they have many challenges. For example, in the U.S., there's a higher percentage of discons in the Medicaid population. And again, the Medicaid population, in addition to the health of the patient, they have other challenges in the family that they're trying to deal with. So long story short is, again, there are many, many different often, as I said, patient-specific reasons why these patients discon. But some of those, we have very specific things we can do to work on, and I'll let Jennifer speak to that here. In terms of HO, it is a different population. And what's been striking about the HO is it's cleaner, for lack of a better word. These are patients who were -- literally nothing's worked and biologically, it seems that setmelanotide is addressing a very specific biologic abnormality. So mechanistically, it seems to be the solution. And that's led to potentially a different level of engagement than we've had in our other populations. And I say that simply based on the fact that in running this Phase III trial as we've highlighted, patients seem to be staying on treatment, including whoever is on placebo. We don't know who they are, but they might be guessing. And in today's world, if they truly felt there was another option, they would likely move to there, and they're not. And why not? Because if they stay in the trial, then they know they can access the drug in the open-label portion of it. So I think there are differences with HO. I wouldn't be surprised if the discontinuation rate was lower in HO, but obviously, we have a lot more to learn.

Corinne Jenkins

Analyst

Helpful. And then can you help us understand the size of the market opportunity for this under the 2- to 6-year-old patient population and how that kind of expands the commercial opportunity for BBS?

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. I mean what we said about that previously is that when we do our genetic screening, the frequency, the positivity rate in that 0 to 2 specifically, but 2 to 6 tends to be higher than the rest of the other ages, the older age groups. And that's not a surprise because parents will present with a child who has early onset obesity and uncontrolled hunger, they know something's wrong. Genetic testing perhaps gets to be done a little earlier. And as a result, as opposed to a 20-year-old, for example, comes in and you're asking them when their obesity started and the like, it's just a different setting. So higher frequency hit rate, but the overall numbers are still quite small. So again, this will not dramatically increase the overall target population. But it does from a signaling standpoint, reinforcing standpoint, when you're treating 2-year olds, some with your medication, that's really a remarkable indication that, A, it's important to do so, B, the drug must be safe. And as you know, most of the other available anti-obesity medications have not tested kids as young as 2 to 6. And so we've gotten positive feedback from the field just from our willingness to take that on.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Joseph Stringer from Needham & Company.

Joseph Stringer

Analyst

I'm sorry if I missed this, but what were the discontinuation rates through the first quarter of this year? I believe it was around 20% as of the last quarterly update. And just given the discontinuation rates have ticked up a bit quarter-over-quarter, what gives you confidence that the rate will level out in that 20% to 30% range?

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. No, it has ticked up. We're not going to break it out further. Again, I think that was part of the goal of today's comments was -- we do think it's going to level out in the 20% to 30%. Your question is what gives us confidence. I mean, that's consistent, I think, with other chronic injectables, daily injectables, I mean, think insulin therapies and the like don't necessarily have -- they don't discontinue per se, but compliance can be quite challenging in some of those areas. So in this age group, I think, again, it's an estimate, Joe. We don't know for sure, but I think it's a reasonable 1 based on our experience, just working with rare disease populations and some of the challenges associated with this injectable, chronic daily injectable. What was the second part of that question?

Joseph Stringer

Analyst

[indiscernible]

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. Does that -- cover me again. Yes. Yes. Actually, Jennifer, it's a good opportunity, just to highlight what we're doing.

Jennifer Chien

Analyst

I think like one piece is we also learn as we go, just as we evaluate different parts of the business and think through if there's opportunities for us to focus a bit more in. As David mentioned, the first couple of expenses is when there is the highest risk in terms of folks discontinuing. And when we look at different reasons, 1 example I'll give is in terms of injection issues. We saw that, that was an issue early on and through discussions have implemented an at-home nurse support for patients so that they feel very comfortable initiating therapy and being able to inject them themselves. And this has leveled or decreased that particular issue as a reason for discons. We also, just through that example, that sort of high touch just in terms of the beginning to make sure that the patients are doing okay as they initiate therapy, realize it's -- we thought in terms of the structure that we had in place and the structure we had from patient support side was that there was 1 point of contact for the patient, but also was responsible in terms of being able to help through the reimbursement and reauthorization process, which was a lot for 1 person to be able to juggle both aspects. So we have recently restructured that group. So we have specific team that focuses on the authorizations and maintaining the reauthorizations, while we have a separate patient team -- education team that then is able to once again have more time and ability to maintain close contact with the patients.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Higgins of Ladenburg Thalmann.

Unknown Analyst

Analyst

This is [ Sohana ] on behalf of Michael. Congrats from us on the continued progress this quarter. Two questions from us. The first is -- so we believe DAYBREAK Stage 2 could be read out separately or there was going to be a staggered update. So should we look for another update in Q4 than the update in Q3? And the second question is, any guidance on the start of the second trial route for LB54640?

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. So thanks, [ Sohana ]. The DAYBREAK study, we'll get the results in quarter 3. We haven't, again, depends a little bit on what they are and how long it takes us to sort all this out. So whether we're going to report this in Q3 or Q4, I don't know, to be honest, right now. The second is, obviously, we try to connect these with a meeting and there you have to sniff as a late breaker. And so again, there's just some things I don't quite know yet. So let's say our goal is to get this out this year for sure in terms of reporting it out to all of you, but I don't know the vehicle. I don't know the exact timing. And then second, with regard to the start, we're making really good of the small molecule trial, the LB54640. We're making really good progress. And as I said, the number of sites that we need have virtually all been identified, and we're working through the initiation part of that. So we will beginning in the quarter 3 and hopefully early in quarter 3. But that's as good as I can do today.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next question comes from the line of Whitney Ijem of Canaccord Genuity.

Whitney Ijem

Analyst

First one, I guess, is just on the kind of steady-state dropout rate that you talked about, or discontinuation rate. Is that informed at all, I guess, by the age at which patients are starting? I'm just curious if you're seeing patients or a higher discontinuation rate in patients who start when they're older versus younger, and maybe there could be some shift in that average rate over time as patients start when they're younger with the label expansion?

David Meeker

Analyst

So short answer, Whitney is yes, and that was breaking out the 3 different age groups there. The key is it's adolescents. So I don't know if disproportionately, we have a number of adolescents. I mean we know we have about 60% adults versus 40% peds overall. So the adult group, we're continuing to move to a more normal patient distribution and have a normal lifespan in that sense. But no, it's just -- it's additional color, which says, yes, that adolescent group is more difficult, and we do see more higher discons there.

Whitney Ijem

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then in France -- and perhaps I just misunderstood, but I think I understood the comments to be that patients with HO have been getting treated via the early access program, but maybe not so much for the BBS program. Did I interpret those comments correctly? And if so, I guess, can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing in I guess, maybe urgency to treat the process of getting patients through that to get to approval in BBS versus HO in France?

David Meeker

Analyst

Yes. No, that's not the case. Yann, do you want to make some comments?

Yann Mazabraud

Analyst

Yes. No, that's not the case. So we have currently 3 early access program running, 1 for POMC/LEPR, 1 for BBS and more recently for HO. So those 3 programs move in parallel, and we have been very pleased with the uptake of these 3 programs. And the most recent one is HO. It has started at the end of last year. And I can say that it is extremely rare in France to get this early access program based on Phase II data and III EMA approval. To be more precise, there are just 2 rare disease therapies with such status in France. And as I have mentioned during the call, we have now a number of patients which are commercially treated for HO. And back to the -- maybe the second part of your question, BBS is moving nicely as well.

Hunter Smith

Analyst

I think, Whitney, what we have said is when the HO program was approved, we had said for a while that it was very slow and bureaucratic to get patients approved within it, and that has only recently started. So that may have been the emphasis on the fact that we've started to get patients through the HO program despite it being approved a longer time ago may have caused that impression.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to David Meeker for closing remarks.

David Meeker

Analyst

Great. Well, thanks, everyone, for joining in this morning. And again, we look forward to our next earnings call and updating you on further progress over the next 3 months. Thanks all.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.