Amar Maletira
Analyst · RBC
Yeah, absolutely. So Tien-tsin, I think what we are seeing is when you look at our margin and gross margins have been declining and continues to do so purely because of the result of mix shift in a business. And it has two components we talked about. One is the ongoing decline in a legacy OpenStack business, which we are no longer actively marketing. And second is a mix shift within our multicloud segment where we're seeing from mature to growth products. So growth products have a lower initial gross margins, but also have as, , lower CapEx and OpEx intensity. Now, I know your question was about how are the gross margins getting impacted because of the war on talent? I think for us that is already baked into our guidance. We have made room in our -- in a model to continue to make investment in the business. But what you're seeing right now from a gross margin perspective, I want to give you guys more color and broader color on gross margins. We are in a transient phase right now, and we believe it will continue for another four to five quarters. And during that time, we do expect our gross margins will bottom out in the low 30% range. And once the gross margin is bottom up at the end of this transient phase, we expect to inflect with the farewell makeshift plus higher value cloud services. And we are already seeing some very good traction in our land and expand motion. And that gives us a lot of confidence that the margins can start expanding with high margin products. In fact, if you look at our second half -- first half 2021 port of customers where we sold managed public cloud engagements, we are seeing our cumulative bookings are growing double digits. The sole gross margins have been expanding significantly, and that gives us a confidence that this higher value expansion with higher value services will play out in the next four to five quarters. Now, just to give you more color, because, this also leads into my guidance question. I'll give you more color on guidance later, but in Q3 we do expect gross margins in the 32.5% to 33% range. And we basically modeled it prudently for the reasons that I just mentioned. We, as looking at the mix shift that is going on in the business, we are onboarding more managed public cloud customers. In fact, our new logos continue to grow. We actually grew 31% in the first half of 2021 compared to first half of 2020, which is that you are -- there's a massive acceleration in the public cloud onboarding of customers. And that's also resulting in some gross margin declines. So we have factored that all in our model as we provided the guidance for the second half. Specifically, with regard to the gross margins, because of talent, I think that is already factored into our guidance, and we plan to continue investing in the business into the high growth areas of the market. One more thing I will add and I'll then see the floor too. Kevin is we are managing this mix shift and expect to deliver operating margins in the mid teens during this transition phase because as you can see we announced a restructuring on July 21. We have made sure that the OpEx structure now aligns to the new gross margin profile of the business and that should continue to help us deliver these mid-teens operating margins in the next four to five quarters. Kevin on to the talent.