Rusty Rush
Analyst · Stephens
Yes. I'm going to take them in -- well, I'll just take them in the order you asked. You're right. I did -- last -- I thought we were going to deliver a few more units in Q1 than we did. I think it's as much timing as anything. I would hope we'll at least deliver as much in Q1 as we had in Q2. I'm not going to -- I'm sorry, I may have missed a little. I expected to deliver a few 100 more units, to be honest with you. I did not expect to deliver what we did in Q4, okay? Q4 was an extraordinary quarter, a record quarter. But we had some big fleet business in there, right? The mix was a little different here in Q1, and that's what you saw in the margins. We sold a lot of -- that was surprising. In the first quarter, we had a lot of inventory we sold. At the same time, a lot of smaller deals. And that's typical at this piece of the cycle on the over-the-road stuff is you are selling smaller deals as you get further into it, right? And that's somewhat typical from what I've experienced over the years. So I feel comfortable. I don't want to overstate it, like you said. I might have hit it a little bit too hard. Maybe -- you maybe thought we were going to do a little bit more than what we did. But backlogs are coming down. Our backlog is down. But so is the margin -- so is everybody. So are OEMs, right? You can't have 50,000 units in 3 months of order intake when you're building at the rates that we're building at currently, right? And we have a total of 50,000 in 3 months. You're going to chew up on some backlogs out at the OEMs, just like ourselves. And I always -- look, I've been doing this a long time. I don't count anything really out past 120 days. So let's -- you'll never -- that's why I'm always a little bit fuzzy on something out like Q4 right now. But our backlog, saying all that, is still strong. And our -- as I said, my medium-duty backlog is biggest it's ever been. Let's just say that. So -- and I think it's -- that's going to be one of the keys. And I know I'm getting off at base a little bit. I think there's one thing you got to understand about the organization. Remember, we're not just a Class 8 dealer, okay? Now I realized the -- they're half of the cost. They cost half as much, and they make a little less margin. But they're still a big piece of what we do. We're not just the largest Peterbuilt, International. We're the largest Hino. We're the largest Isuzu, and we have quite a few Ford deals too. So you've got to keep that in mind. Because that market should remain stable for the next few years. I think that may be go unseen. That's not the same, but boy does it help. When you look at all the franchises that we've got out here, we've got more than anybody else across the board on those, and that will help us as the Class 8 market is going to be more cyclical, as the dynamics of distribution change. I think everybody understands last mile, all that other stuff, happens. I think you -- that's going to be one of the things that's going to help us out over the next couple years. We know -- you've got to believe Class 8 is going to be off 25% to 30% next year. But we don't believe that's going to be the case on the medium side. And given our focus and what we've done over the last 16 years and the growth and I think that's going to help. Back to oil and gas -- or over to oil and gas. It's -- I was a little off last quarter. When I was talking to you all on the 1st of February, I said, "Well, it's hanging in there." While I was sitting in this chair, it was starting to drop off, okay? It had dropped off. I just didn't recognize it at the time. I started looking at numbers a couple weeks after that. I go, whoa, we're seeing a little softness on the parts and service side. We have very little truck sales involved. I think when you look at the big oil field supplier services companies, their inventory built up pretty heavy, okay? They had lots of inventory, okay? And I think now we're starting to, hopefully, be chewing away at that inventory. You had pipeline issues of getting oil and gas out, getting oil out of the Permian and stuff like that. There's pipelines coming on. You see where oil prices are. So you've got to feel pretty good that we've troughed. What we're seeing, we believe, from a parts and service perspective and from a sales perspective, I believe is pretty trough right now. So that's one of the heartening things to me is putting up numbers like this when you believe you're troughing and probably should be -- and I'm just reading what people say where oil should fall in play, where oil prices should remain for the next year or so. And some of the inventory gets built up. It's not just trucks. It's all kinds of equipment that we build and things we do and stuff we service throughout this country, not just in the Permian or the Eagle Ford. We do a lot of mobile stuff, and that's where we saw some softening. But I do believe it'll heat back up. The one thing we have to be cognizant of is the efficiencies that are now out there. It doesn't take as many rigs to drill as many wells. But we've got stuff -- we've got pretty good at that stuff. At the same time, given that I do believe we're at trough, but I do believe, as I said, we could see some moderate increases from a parts and service perspective. And we through the year and in the next year, I would see the CapEx equipment purchasing to -- whether it's cranes or different makeups or trailers and things like that, that we're pretty proficient at, I would expect that to pick back up as those inventories get depleted now.