Eido Gal
Analyst · UBS. Your line is open.
Hey, Tim. Thanks for that question. Happy to explain. We definitely see Apple Pay within our merchants and the amount varies by the category. So, for example, when you think about the food category, that’s been very resilient and growing for us. I probably have a higher concentration of Apple Pay transactions relative to other industries like luxury fashion. The way we think about it is, hey, there’s not always a guarantee or liability shift in those instances. For example, if it’s a merchant initiated transaction, there’s no liability shift. If you have various geographies or you exceed certain limits, then there’s no liability shift. And because of that, some of our merchants would prefer to send us those transactions for the guarantee. And some of our merchants would prefer to send us those transactions under what we call a scoring, a non-guaranteed model. We’re very open to both of them. There’s less of an impact on the total revenue for us in these scenarios. And let me give you a concrete example that happened a few weeks ago. We were in contract negotiations with a merchant and we would either offer them a blended risk-adjusted fee of 30 basis points for all the volume, including Apple Pay, or there was an alternative offer that said a risk-adjusted fee of 35 basis points, right, for all of the credit card volume with a fixed fee of $0.10 for, kind of call it, Apple Pay transactions. So because our pricing is risk-adjusted, we would assume that the comparable of Apple Pay is included or not nets out to something very, very similar, which is very different than kind of the PSD2 example, which created the loss in volume. On the market size, look, when we think about, e-commerce, travel, remittance, delivery, ride-hailing, that’s probably an $8 trillion market today. Obviously, you need to, haircut some of those numbers to get to our true TAM. But you are right that the Chargeback Guarantee aspect of that is going to be a few trillion in volume. And there are a few hundred billion, maybe like low trillions right now that’s in alternative forms of payments where the liability might fit differently. So that’s our kind of overall approach there.