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Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 1, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Regal Rexnord Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Robert Barry, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Rob Barry

Analyst

Great. Thank you, operator. Good morning and welcome to Regal Rexnord's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me today are Louis Pinkham, our Chief Executive Officer; and Rob Rehard, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, a note regarding the slide presentation due to a minor technical issue at our webcasting firm, those who are viewing our second quarter presentation slides on the webcast will need to manually advance the slides during the presentation versus our typical practice of auto advancing them on our end. Moving to Slide 2. I’d like to remind you that during today's call, you may hear forward-looking statements related to our future financial results plans and business operations, our actual results may differ materially from those projected or implied due to a variety of factors, which we describe in greater detail in today's press release and in our reports filed with the SEC which are available on the regalrexnord.com website. Also on this slide, we state that we are presenting certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe are useful to our investors. We have included reconciliations between the non-GAAP financial information and the GAAP equivalent in the press release and in these presentation materials. Turning to Slide 3. Let me briefly review the agenda for today's call. Louis will lead off with his opening comments and overview of our 2Q performance and an introduction to our Power Systems business. Rob Rehard will then present our second quarter financial results in more detail and review our latest 2024 guidance. We will then move to Q&A, after which Louis will have some closing remarks. And with that, I will turn the call over to Louis.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Thanks, Rob and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us to discuss our second quarter results to get an update on our business and for your continued interest in Regal Rexnord. Our team delivered a strong second quarter with outperformance on nearly every metric and especially strong margin outperformance at IPS. So before I go any further, I want to thank our 30,000 Regal Rexnord associates for their hard work and disciplined execution, delivering strong second quarter performance, while continuing to execute our many longer-term value creation drivers. Turning to our results in more detail. Sales in the second quarter were down 7% on an organic basis, excluding Industrial Systems. As a reminder, we closed on the sale of Industrial Systems at the end of April and so it is in our reported financials only for the first month of the quarter. Also recall that due to the timing of the Altra acquisition closing very late in the first quarter of 2023, we pushed five days of sales into last year's second quarter. And while immaterial to our annual performance was a roughly two point headwind to growth this quarter. Performance in the quarter continued to be impacted by weak end-market demand and destocking in North America residential HVAC, weakness in commercial HVAC outside North America and pressure in discrete factory automation. Orders in the quarter on a daily basis were down 1.5%, excluding Industrial, but up approximately 2% excluding a large atypical blanket order received in the pool business in the prior year period, which we see as a more relevant performance indicator for Regal. This positive inflection was led by AMC, which saw orders rise 12% versus prior year, followed by IPS orders, which were flat following 8 quarters of decline. In July, daily organic orders were up…

Rob Rehard

Analyst

Thanks, Louis, and good morning everyone. I would also like to thank our global team for their hard work and disciplined execution, which delivered results that exceeded our targets for the quarter. As a reminder, we closed the Altra acquisition at the end of first quarter last year. And so having lapped that one year anniversary, we no longer need to consider current period operating performance on a pro forma basis when discussing our AMC and IPS segments. Now let us review our operating performance by segment. Starting with Automation and Motion Control or AMC, net sales in the second quarter were down 10% to the prior year on an organic basis, which is slightly better performance than we had expected. The results reflect strength in the aerospace, data center and medical end-markets, which was more than offset by lingering weakness at global discrete factory automation OEMs. Notably, our second quarter performance reflects an approximately 6% sequential improvement and growth in all of our divisions outside of factory automation. From a first half perspective, which smooths out some of the lumpiness we see in this segment, pro forma organic sales were down 7.4%. Adjusted EBITDA margin in the quarter was 22.5% and slightly below our expectations on weaker mix. Given the lower volume in discrete factory automation which generally runs with margins above fleet average for this segment, we see an unfavorable mix impact when these volumes drop. Orders in AMC in the second quarter were up 12% versus prior year on a daily basis, a notable inflection after six quarters of declines. Book-to-bill in the second quarter was 1.05. In the quarter, we continued to experience healthy booking rates for longer cycle projects at aerospace, medical and data center customers. But with the majority of requested delivery dates landing…

Operator

Operator

Yes. Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And today's first question comes from Mike Halloran with Baird.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Good morning Micheal.

Mike Halloran

Analyst

So I think the first question here should -- is around kind of order dynamics and expectations in the back half of the year. And if I hear the order commentary, across the segments, it feels at least kind of in-line with your thought process, exiting the first quarter report, if not better. When you look at the back half of the year from a cadencing perspective, it seems more messaging around deliveries and outlay timing as opposed to a change in the underlying demand thought process. So maybe you could confirm that one way or another and then also talk to the underlying demand process and where you are seeing the bigger puts and takes, if at all, versus what you were seeing, say, a quarter ago?

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Yes. So Mike, good morning and thanks for the question. I think you've summarized it quite well, actually. The orders really met our expectation in Q2. We feel really good about the fact that AMC has turned to positive order growth at about 12%. That IPS feels really solid at relatively flat, but that's after eight quarters of decline. And then PES is starting to gain some momentum, especially seeing now July orders of PES at roughly 3% and then again, for AMC, roughly 10% and 3.5% for IPS. So roughly 5% for Regal. So yes July feels good as well. But to your question around timing, it really is simply timing, it's not underlying market demand. We are just seeing the orders being placed for -- in our backlog in the latter half -- latter quarter and then into the first half of next year. When we look at it from a market perspective, it's pretty much playing out as we expected in that resi HVAC is starting to see a rebound. We are also seeing some stabilization of factory automation. Actually, our factory automation business, our orders in Q2 were up 9% year-over-year. And so giving us some confidence in that recovery. And we are seeing some early green shoots, early green shoots in alternative energy, solar, in food and beverage. And so giving us confidence that the second half will show positive growth and that we will move into '25 with growth as well.

Mike Halloran

Analyst

Helpful. And then kind of a subset question to that. When you look at the IPS segment, the down mid-single-digit thought process for the year, as you I think as Rob alluded to in some of the prepared remarks, some of the data points that were coming out from some of the subsegments were a little more challenging. You seem to be outperforming. So maybe talk to the levels of our performance and also as you think about kind of the growth plus and minuses, within certainly some of the more machinery-oriented components of that IPS segment. Maybe just talk to the trend trajectory and how you are playing against that kind of trend?

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Yes. So great question, Mike and thanks for the question because we actually think our IPS segment is outperforming market. The business is certainly being impacted by some weak market -- weak end markets, ag and construction but strength in marine, power gen and metals and mining. We also feel really good, though about our cross-sell synergies and our Powertrain growth initiatives which is allowing us to outperform the market. Through July of this year, we basically lapped our 2023 cross-selling that we achieved on a full year basis. Our bundle of potential cross-selling opportunities is up roughly 190% year-over-year, and we feel really good about that progress. And when we run the math only about 10% of our customers are buying two or more of our product and just think if they were able to buy more of our product. And certainly, if they are buying one in the industrial powertrain, they're likely buying all. And so we feel good about the cross-sell is allowing us to outperform. Rob said in his prepared remarks roughly a couple of percent. And we believe that's what's strengthening our position. We will provide quite a bit more detail on this at the Investor Day, but that's a major driver of the success we are seeing in IPS.

Mike Halloran

Analyst

Great. Thanks Louis. Appreciate it.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Yeah, thanks Mike.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Hi, good morning guys.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Good morning Joe.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

So I just want to focus on PES. I mean I think what we're hearing from the resi HVAC OEMs is there is volume growth again, destocking is done. And then they're taking last call for 410A, and we saw some pretty sporty rates, I think, 30% from 1, 100% from another and probably some noise in there. But it just still seems like your business is lagging. And I'm trying to understand that. And then just maybe speak in general to any share or content shift that you've seen around this refrigerant change.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes. Good morning Jeff. So, a couple of points that I'd comment on. First of all, we actually are very pleased with our position in PES and how they performed in Q2 and slightly above our expectations. But I want to remind you that PES is a business that's only about 25% resi HVAC. And we saw orders in the quarter up low-single digit, and we're forecasting sales in third quarter up low-single digits. Now your comments around some of the OEMs calling out much larger orders, it really is going to be dependent upon the transition or at least that's our expectation. The A2L refrigerant transition. And we are seeing some OEMs deciding to build inventory of old 410A systems ahead of the transition, while others are already opting not to. And so we are going to monitor this closely, but for now, our forecast did not factor any significant prebuild of old systems. Now with regards to the new systems and our position on those new systems. We're a leader in the variable speed motor market in climate, in residential HVAC. And our position is pretty strong across the board there. So no change from that perspective. Now as you know, over the last five years, we have been moving away from lower end, lower technology, lower margin motor business, but this just aligns with the strategy we've been taking of providing value-added margin positive business for Regal Rexnord.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay. So it sounds like the lingering weakness may be more in that general commercial and rest of world than resi-HVAC. Shifting gears, though to AMC. I am trying to bridge first half to second half margins to get to your 2024, because it seems like sales are second half to first half may be flat to slightly down and yet to hit your margin target, you got to be significantly higher on margins. And it seems like, I guess discrete is maybe margin mix rich which is where kind of the lingering weaknesses.

Rob Rehard

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes. So Jeff, you are pretty much hitting right on the head. The shift in mix to factory automation and continued ramp-up in especially those very margin-rich businesses within AMC like the medical business is really playing into that uptick in margins as you move into the back half, which is contributing to the higher rate as we finish the year.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay. So discrete automation still gets better in the second half. It's just a slower ramp than you previously thought?

Rob Rehard

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Absolutely, it gets better in the second half.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

I'll just remind a comment I made a second here Jeff, that orders were actually up in discrete automation in Q2 about 9%. So we are expecting a stronger second half in factory automation for sure.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay, thank you.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Thanks Jeff.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from Julian Mitchell with Barclays.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst · Barclays.

Hi, good morning. Maybe my first question, and thanks for the various guidance points. If we look at sort of the third versus fourth quarter. Just trying to understand sort of degree of ramp there. I think, is it fair to say that the sort of third quarter earnings or EPS based on what you said is looking at sort of $2.50 to $2.60 or so and then you have that steeper ramp into Q4 based on things like the AMC margin mix tailwind from factory automation. Is that roughly sort of the right seasonality? Or maybe just clarify that? And if there's anything moving around below the line between Q3 and Q4?

Rob Rehard

Analyst · Barclays.

Yes. There really isn't a lot moving below the line between Q3 and Q4 aside from interest expense, which will obviously get a little bit better as you go into the back half of the year or the final quarter of the year in particular. The margin should improve as a result of mix as you go from third to fourth. And if you go and you do the math off of the third quarter that we put out along with the full year guide, you'll see there is maybe 100 basis points of margin improvement as you move from third to fourth. So that is also a contributor there off of higher sales as well. So that's how you get there that supports the margins that we put in there and the ramp-up in earnings. But aside from interest expense, there is no other below the line improvement that we see from third to fourth.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst · Barclays.

I see. And so that sort of $2.50, $2.60 number doesn't sound outlandish in Q3?

Rob Rehard

Analyst · Barclays.

No. I mean if you go back and work the math, it is about $2.50 off of what we put out. So you are right on line.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst · Barclays.

That makes sense. And then just a very quick follow-up. Excited to hear more at the Investor Day in sort of seven weeks or so. But I suppose as we are thinking about the way the sort of the macro is ending up. And at the same time, the progress on synergies and maybe some green shoots on the top-line. Just sort of trying to circle it together, Louis, if you think about the EBITDA margin sort of aspirations medium-term? I think you've talked about that 25% or mid-20s EBITDA margin exit rate from next year. Just wondered sort of is that a sort of a moving feet because the top-line is proving very choppy. Any thoughts around that, please?

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · Barclays.

Julian, it's a little early for us to comment any further than what we said. We feel really good about our path to 40% gross margins. I think we have proven ourselves as being margins [outlet] (ph), and so I feel good about that 25% and then continuing to invest in the business. To get to the 40% gross margins, we ended Q2 at 38.1%. If you just take the synergies alone over the next 1.5 years, we get to 40% margins if not a little bit better. And I'll tell you -- we'll continue to drive 80-20 and lean until then. So even if there's a little weakness on the top-line, so the deleverage and [ESNA] (ph) costs are a little bit higher as a percent. We still feel pretty good about driving to that 25%. So we're not ready to say much more than that, but we'll certainly elaborate at Investor Day.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst · Barclays.

Great. Thank you.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · Barclays.

Thanks Julian.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Nigel Coe of Wolfe Research.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

Thanks good morning everyone.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Good morning Nigel.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

Thanks for the question. Good morning. So just wanted to -- another boring question on PES. So this step up from Q2 to Q3, so it's about $30 million, $35 million of sales. Obviously, a bit more aggressive than normal seasonality, but we're not in a normal environment. So I'm just wondering the visibility on that and maybe just talk about the dollar orders instead of year-to-year, the dollar orders in the second quarter and maybe in July that supports that lift up in sales?

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Yes. So we are happy to follow up after the call with you specifically, on giving you exact dollar orders, Nigel I don't have it in front of me. But what I can tell you is that, again second quarter resi orders were up low-single digits, and that's going to drive our third quarter revenue to be up, up low-single digits. And as you know the backlog in this business is only about two months. And so we are very short cycle in PES. And exiting Q2 with 1.02 book-bill also gives us that confidence for a bit of a step up. Now from a third quarter perspective, realize that what we are forecasting overall for PES is sales slightly down. And that's driven by the rest of the business still having some pressure in particular general commercial that I’d align heavily to ISM and that we are seeing revenue down mid-single digits. So overall slightly down in third quarter, but we have confidence with the book bill of 1.02 and with the starting of the rebound in residential HVAC that we have a path to third quarter and fourth quarter for that matter.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

Okay. That's great. Thanks Louis. And then Rob, you were pretty definitive about the improvement in automation. I think you said absolutely improved. So I'm just wondering, are you talking about the kind of the year-over-year delta against easier comps. Are we talking here about the actual dollar sales relative to the first half of the year because the PMI just printed, and it's a very vigorous. I'm just wondering if we've got enough kind of hedge for the macro in the back half of the year?

Rob Rehard

Analyst

Yes. We feel good about where we've guided relative to what we are seeing. I feel good about the fact that we saw the order rates improving. As Louis mentioned, about 9% in that particular part of the business. And the fact that we've -- so to your question specifically, both sequentially and year-over-year, we're feeling very good about the back half and the way -- and where we're guiding AMC.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Book bill in our factory -- Nigel, I'm sorry, book bill in our factory automation business was over 1.1. It was like 1.13. So we feel we are progressing in the right sequential basis, as Rob said.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

And then just on the book-to-bill, the July orders, obviously, very encouraging year-over-year, but was book-to-bill above 1 in July?

Rob Rehard

Analyst

Yes. Book-to-bill was slightly over 1. And as I said there is about 10% on orders.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

Right. Thanks guys.

Rob Rehard

Analyst

Thanks Nigel. Operator And the next question is from [indiscernible] with Goldman Sachs.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst

Hi guys. This is Joe. How you are doing?

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Hi, Joe. Good morning.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst

Good morning. So maybe just following up on Nigel's question there. So we're all just trying to kind of double-click into the orders in July in AMC. I think you had -- I think you referenced that you expected those to convert to revenues or portion at least in the fourth quarter. Like how much of it is going to convert this year versus what your expectation is for something maybe longer cycle into 2025.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Joe, we don't have it cut that way. Our backlog is filling nicely for what we've guided to our – we are not expecting any significant lift in order to be able to achieve the fourth quarter guide. So we are happy to provide more detail going forward. But I think, maybe the way to think about is about one-third of those orders will lay into the second half and about two-thirds into '25. But we are happy to give you more detail in the future.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst

Okay. Yes. No, that's helpful, Louis. I guess -- so then I guess the baseline then is we kind of hit a bottom on revenue for AMC 420 in the third quarter, will start to improve from there. So I want to make sure that I have that right. And then secondly, I think Jeff touched on the margins earlier. It seems like a pretty material uptick in margins sequentially, not just in 3Q, but also in 4Q. I'm baking in close to 300 basis points, just is there a way to parse that out in the 4Q margin? And what really drives that improvement for 4Q?

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Let me just take very quickly revenue. So the revenue guide is actually relatively flat sequentially into Q3. And then, yes, the step up into Q4, we feel confidence with the roughly 10% or 12% of orders up in Q2, the 10% of orders up in July, the more than 1.1 book bill coming out of July that, that is definitely the path that this business is on. With regards to margins --.

Rob Rehard

Analyst

Yes, and I'll take that side of it. So the margin step-up is absolutely related to mix within this business and the greater mix going into that like discrete factory automation, which we've been talking about as well as a little bit of synergy improvement as we move through the back half of the year. Remember, we said we were going to do $90 million and we are on track to do that. We did about $25 million in the second quarter and expect to do over $20 million in the third and the remainder in the fourth and roughly 20% of those synergies also goes into the AMC side of the business. So that's also helping to improve margins as we go through the year.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst

Okay, thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Christopher Glynn with Oppenheimer.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Thank you. Good morning guys.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Good morning Chris.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

So looking at IPS holding up well, performing well, but very much kind of two stories, various different markets with like ag and construction down significantly. Wondering if you could go into a little bit in terms of the magnitudes on a relative basis of some of the plus minuses because at some point, things like ag and construction are going to turn and based on the comparisons helps us think about it, what you're seeing there and kind of mix of destock that's into those magnitudes.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes. So Chris, I don't have it cut into that level of detail, but roughly from our operating reviews, I can tell you that we're seeing ag and construction down high-single digit. I think there is a bit of destock there. I don't think it's a ton of destock. I think there is demand constraints in those markets. We are seeing marine power gen up high-single digits. And that's really a big part of that balance. And then with ISM being below 50, and PMIs in Europe and Asia below 50, the fact that IPS we are calling for relatively flattish, we feel good that our cross-sell activity is helping to bolster the overall business to outperform market. But hopefully, that gives you a little sense of how we are thinking about it by market.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes. On the kind of MRO and distribution side, what are you seeing there? Is sell through pretty aligned, do you think?

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes. No, no, we do not have an inventory issue on distribution. This is part of the reason this business is a good forecastable business for us. We have -- half of the business is aftermarket and MRO goes through distribution. Half of that, we see the sales in, sales out and inventory levels of our distributor. And nothing is out of whack right now. And so it's pretty much aligning with the demand.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Great. And then just kind of tuning question on the discrete within AMC, where we've had a lot of discussion. Are you -- it seems like you are starting to maybe anticipating flattish revenue year-over-year in the fourth quarter for discrete and probably down very hefty double digits on a reported revenue basis in the second quarter. So I just want to make sure if that understanding of the bridge is correct.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

We don't have it for just discrete. Discrete automation is roughly 35% of that segment. The overall segment for the full year will be down low-single digits is what we are guiding to. And so we are expecting a pickup in the second half and the orders are supporting it from a year-over-year perspective. There's not much more I have prepared on factory automation than that.

Rob Rehard

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Maybe the only other thing I would add is, I think we're thinking around flat to low-single digits in the back half for that particular business is about what we've been monitoring and seeing.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And this does conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to return the conference back to Louis Pinkham for any closing comments.

Louis Pinkham

Analyst

Great. Thank you, operator. And thanks to our investors and analysts for joining us today. The performance we delivered over the last five years tells a tremendous story of portfolio transformation, margin expansion, free cash flow acceleration and laying the groundwork for faster organic growth. The next phase of our journey will be more about leveraging the benefits of our reshaped portfolio to accelerate profitable growth, both organic and in time inorganic. We see so many levers under our control to create significant shareholder value, and we look forward to presenting that story at our Investor Day scheduled for September 17 in New York City. We hope you will join us. Thank you again for joining us today, and thank you for your interest in Regal Rexnord.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.