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Rithm Property Trust Inc. (RPT)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 28, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Ramco-Gershenson Properties Trust Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Ms. Dawn Hendershot, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Ma'am you may begin.

Dawn Hendershot

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for joining us for the third quarter 2015 earnings conference call for Ramco-Gershenson Properties Trust. With me today are Dennis Gershenson, President and Chief Executive Officer; and John Hendrickson, Chief Operating Officer. At this time, Management would like me to inform you that certain statements made during this conference call, which are not historical, may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Additionally, statements made during the call are made as of date of this call. Listeners to any replay should understand that the passage of time by itself would diminish the quality of the statements made. Although, we believe that the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ from expectations are detailed in the third quarter press release. I would now like to turn the call over to Dennis Gershenson for his opening remarks.

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

Thank you, Dawn. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I’d like to spend the next few minutes covering three topics. First, I want to say a few words about Greg Andrews’ department and where we are in the process of securing his replacement. Second, I will update you on the status of our capital recycling program and how the sale of our noncore assets and the reinvestment of their proceed is facilitating our focus on owning an improvement our portfolio of large multi anchored shopping centers that are concentrated in a select group of major metropolitan markets. And lastly, I will address the status of our balance sheet and explain the reasons for our revised FFO guidance for the year. Greg Andrews left the company on October 16th after five year tenure, departed on very good terms. Greg left after achieving his primary goal of significantly improving our balance sheet, moving us from being overwhelmingly a secured borrower to primarily unsecured debt and expanding our line of credit capacity to ensure financial flexibility. These goals achieved Greg decided to pursue new challenges and opportunity with another company. Relative to his replacement we have identified a number of great candidates for the CFO position and we will be commencing the interview process. It is my reasonable expectation that we will be in a position to identify our choice before year-end. And starting with the sale of our non-core assets, we have sold to-date $66.5 million of properties consisting of non-core shopping centers, vacant land and land leases that we did not see as part of our future plans. We are in contract to sell or have signed letters of intent for the sale of an additional $43 million. The average cap rate for the shopping centers sold to-date at share was 6%.…

John Hendrickson

Analyst

Thank you, Dennis. Good morning, everyone. I have now been with the company five months and in that time we have made considerable progress on streamline and simplifying our business model. These changes I believe are important to our continued transformation of the company. As Dennis mentioned, our recent joint venture transactions have largely eliminated our partnership progress. In fact at the sales of our Chester Springs shopping center, which closed earlier this month only three of our current 75 properties are joint venture assets and more than 99% of our annual base rent is generated from our consolidated portfolio. Additionally, we expect to unwind these remaining three shopping centers over the next 18 months to further simplify the portfolio and concentrate our efforts on maximizing the value in our wholly owned properties. To reflect these change in our business plan, you will notice that most of the schedules and supplements now reflect only information related to our consolidated portfolio. Our consolidated portfolio represents all wholly owned properties including the Aquia office building, which we also plan to sell in the next 18 months. So in a very short order, you’ll be able to evaluate Ramco based on 100% owned high quality shopping center portfolio. Now let me walk through some of this information and add some color. Our overall cash NOI was $5.4 million higher in the comparable quarter due to our 2014 and 2015 acquisitions, stabilization of our Lakeland Park development and same center NOI growth of 2.2% for the quarter. Year-to-date, same center is 2.5% and we still expect to meet our guidance range of 2.5% to 3% for full year 2015. Our results this quarter were helped by higher than expected expense recoveries and increase in other income and a significant reduction in bad debt year-over-year.…

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

Thank you, John. I want to take this opportunity to reemphasize the focus of our future business plans. They include further migrating our wholly-owned multi anchored shopping center portfolio into the best submarkets in the central United States, where we will be the dominant retail destination in our trade areas. This philosophy will direct our dispositions as we sell assets that are not consistent with this property type or do not present the opportunity to add significant value. Focusing on the ownership of these types of shopping centers will allow us to drive net asset value through the acceleration of the number and size of value add opportunities we can pursue as these centers lend themselves to densification of retail uses. The opportunities in our shopping center portfolio to grow shareholder value are numerous and we have the right team in place to take advantage of these opportunities. I’d now like to turn the call back to the operator for questions. Jamie?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question today comes from Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead, with your question.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Good morning. First question just regarding the guidance revision, I appreciate the bridge to the $1.37 to $1.39 range with the G&A and other one-time items. But the move from $1.28 to $1.32 to the $1.32 to $1.33, what specifically contributed to that increase?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

First of all, hi Todd. Other income at our properties, higher recoveries especially in our recent acquisitions significantly lower bad debt accruals and so basically those were the elements that accounted for the.... as the second quarter we were still giving a conservative range, although we thought we would be at the higher end of that range. We certainly believe that all of our information was trending that way, but we waited until this quarter really not only to tighten up the range but to demonstrate our confidence that we will come in at the high end of the range for the year.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay. And then Dennis you mentioned some of the G&A savings are related to a proactive hold on hiring, can you just shade some light on that comment what cause that decision? And specifically, where in the business are you postponing hiring?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

Well, basically what happened is there were a number of departures throughout the first and second quarter of individuals that for a variety of reasons left the organization. Typically we would immediately turn around and refill those positions. But as we took a look at a somewhat smaller portfolio because of the number of sales that we had and as well as the reorganization, we just wanted to really let things settle down and really appreciate where we needed to talent and then move on that. But as I said, as we get back to a normalized G&A number it really will come in or would it come in at the guidance that we gave on G&A earlier.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay. And then regarding the dispositions, you talked about having some properties under contract $43 million; I think you said there is about a 7% cap rate. Are they expected to close in 2015 or are those sales part of the bucket that will take place in the next 18 months? And then I guess it sounds like there is additional sales on the table beyond that $43 million that you just -- that you talked about. I guess I’m just curious as you look at the portfolio today, how much of the portfolio is not consistent with the long-term strategy of the company today?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

Well let me say this, relative to the $43 million, if we could close all of those dispositions, we would and thought we’d like to. What has happened is many of the perspective buyer pools and again they aren’t only contracts somewhere in letters of intent has migrated from institutional buyers and private lease that had a little more difficulty raising capital to more exclusively of the private buyers who lead to line up their financing et cetera. So we will close the $43 million just as quickly as we can. We believe we’re on top of those and we’re dedicating enough energy to get them closed before the end of the year. But again it will depend upon the timing vis-à-vis our buyers being able to tie everything and get ready to close. As far as additional dispositions are concerned, we have typically talked about selling somewhere between 5% and 7% of the portfolio on an annual basis, what’s important to understand as far as future dispositions are concerned, although we are not at this moment giving any guidance as to a dollar amount. Our dispositions for 2016 will be times so that they will occur approximately when we need the capital for the capital improvements that we’re doing at the later part of ‘15 and well into 2016.

Todd Thomas

Analyst

Okay, great thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Vincent Chao from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead with your question.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Hey, good morning everyone. Just want to go back to G&A for a second. So I think what I heard you guys say is that could cause you to then go back to normalized [indiscernible]. The intent here is not, you’re not looking for G&A savings specifically it’s more just trying to reallocate those dollars to the best use, is that right?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst · your question.

Yeah, I’d say basically that’s correct.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And then on the 2.5% to 3% guidance year-to-date to 5%, just curious how much of that so implied uplift in the fourth quarter is embedded sort of leases that are signed or just waiting to commence as oppose to something you need to go out and go get I guess?

John Hendrickson

Analyst · your question.

There isn’t anything that we’ll have to go out and get sorry but it’s John Hendrickson. So it’s all embedded in work over now keep in mind we will be adding our core acquisition properties to the pool next quarter, so the pool will change slightly.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And will that have any meaningful impact on same store?

John Hendrickson

Analyst · your question.

No, I don’t think so.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And then just maybe another question on the capital deployment side. So there’s $65 million to $75 million run rate, asset sale about 5% to 7% of the portfolio ongoing, which I think is kind of in that 100 millionish area. So pretty much funding the redevelopments or maybe plus a little bit so that seems like it kind of takes care of itself, just curious how you’re feeling about sort of the acquisition markets today given your own cost of capital, given the current market conditions and obviously got to digest what you just recently announced, but just curious how you’re feeling about the acquisition market and the opportunities there?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst · your question.

Sure, okay. We continue to keep our feet in the water relative to acquisitions. We want to make sure that the both brokers and the owners who are representing centers in those markets that we really like, know that we’re still active players. However, I’d like to think that we’re smart allocators of capital and to the extent that cap rates really haven’t moved very much. It’s still very expensive to buy anything out there. And so we at least for the time being will remain focused on our redevelopments.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And then on that front cap rates haven’t moved yet, I mean would you consider ramping up the 5% to 7% of the portfolio in say 2016 just to capture some of that value or unless you have that redevelopment in line of sight you wouldn’t necessarily accelerate that, how do you think of that?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst · your question.

Accelerate the activity?

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Dispositions.

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst · your question.

So you are talking about cap rates. I think that as opportunities arise both in our portfolio and if for some reason we saw something that was very compelling for one reason or another then we absolutely could ramp up the disposition program especially because a number of the assets that we would consider selling pursuant to our strategic direction are very desirable assets in the marketplace. So I think that the timing of dispositions as we have migrated more and more to assets in good markets we’re able to sell those -- we will be able to sell those quicker. And so we’re going to stay very focused on redevelopments and as the environment for acquisitions increases then we obviously have the ability to sell certain quality assets that we believe are fully valued and just are not going to fit in our philosophy going forward. I hope that answers your question.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Yeah, thank you. And then just last question, just I didn’t kind of understood, but did you give the bad debt expense for the quarter?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst · your question.

Bad debt for the quarter?

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

Yeah, in the quarter, do you have that?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst · your question.

It is approximately $200,000.

Vincent Chao

Analyst · your question.

$200,000. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Lina Rudashevski from JP Morgan. Please go ahead, with your question.

Lina Rudashevski

Analyst

Hi, thank you. You mentioned in your comments that you’re decreasing your exposure to office size retailers, I was wondering if there are other retailer categories that you would ideally like to decrease your exposure to or increase.

John Hendrickson

Analyst

I think a specific category, no I mean obviously we constantly review the portfolio, but our largest the whole merger with Staples and Office [ph] that we’re focused on and just the long-term viability. I don’t know while we’re trying to move the portfolio to best in class retailer. So that’s why -- that's really our focus. So as we mentioned we are adding Container Store to our property here in Michigan. And those and we’ve done now [indiscernible], Nordstrom Rack deal. Those are type of retailer that we can just expect to continue to do business with.

Lina Rudashevski

Analyst

Okay. So there isn’t a category of retailer that you had any preference?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

No, I don't think so.

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

So I would just add to John’s comments. We certainly watch the financial health of retailers where we have real exposure in the portfolio. We are bullish about the whole omni-channeling and the retailers who get it. And we obviously watch for anybody who may faultier because they’re not participating in omni-channeling. But we haven’t been the kind of organization that talked about going through the portfolio and looking for certain segments that might be exposed because of internet sale. So we watch all of our tenant categories and I guess if there is anything that we say that we would be focused on is in addition to just watching everybody is constantly upgrading our brokers, but our last purchased Front Range Village include a specialty grosser and the number of specialty grosser in our portfolio have been growing.

Lina Rudashevski

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Collin Mings from Raymond James and Associates. Please go ahead, with your question.

Collin Mings

Analyst

Hey, good morning Dennis, good morning, John.

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

Good morning, Collin.

Collin Mings

Analyst

First question from me, just going back to the redevelopment pipeline again in the comments as far as opportunities on about 50% of the portfolio, can you maybe just talk a little bit more about how you are prioritizing projects? Is it just simply based on return or just talk a little bit more about how [indiscernible] you build out that pipeline how you’re prioritizing the projects?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

Sure, Collin this is John Hendrickson. The reality is our focus is on opportunities that we have that we can execute near-term, and while we continue to plan the longer-term vision. So from prioritization it’s really just where can we get after it today and -- but we’ve never allowed our pipeline of segments so that we can maintain a near-term volume, one that we can execute efficiently and also that we can schedule from a managing the impact -- any negative impact from an earning standpoint. So I guess hope that answers the question.

Collin Mings

Analyst

Okay. I mean I guess is there any consistent theme I think that you are focused on in particular as you look through the pipeline of opportunities?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

No I mean most of it is where there is truly adding GLA opportunely [ph] then a second theme would be where you can upgrade tenancy, but the primary thing is just added GLA.

Collin Mings

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe you guys could touch a little bit more on the comments as far as looking to add some density to three assets in particular. Can you maybe update us on your loss there? What’s driving that and then how far down the path are you on those plans?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

Well we’re actively working on the master planning process, a process that we think which should be in good shape to maybe in the first quarter of next year ramp up the master planning and start from entitlement standpoint. I mean our thinking is that those properties that I’ve mentioned Front Range, Woodbury and Deerfield properties are assets that are large and have great raw material to create one -- first, create a special place based on the retail and through that might add possibly the other uses, but more importantly just the ability to drive rent from a retail standpoint.

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

I would add Collin that -- and we’ve discussed this with you that on the larger format centers, as the parking ratios have come down from 5.5 down to 4.0 there is a significant amount of opportunity when you own 35, 50, 60 acre sites to really add a lot more retail space and the anchors appreciate that they don’t need those kinds parking ratios any longer. So they’re cooperative albeit that typically you have to go back to them to get their approvals to increase density. But that’s really a very significant opportunity for us and really the primary direction in which we’re in.

Collin Mings

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful guys. Just going back to couple of specific from the quarter, just anything specific on the -- that drove the better expense recoveries in the quarter or is that just kind of just better execution on guys part or was there something else that drove that?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

No I mean largely it was actually it is a recalculation of being able to better understand exactly how it will end up. Because keep in mind you don’t do true up until next year so you’re really estimating right now. And so to better understanding that that largely a big chunk of that was outside of the same-center pool and our new acquisition as we digested those.

Collin Mings

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. And then going back to a couple of the other questions in earlier, but just again it sounds like there is some reacceleration kind a same store growth going into the fourth quarter. How much of that is kind of core or as John you mentioned a minute ago I think that the same store pool is changing a little bit in the fourth quarter, can you just talk a little bit more about what’s going to be driving that lift?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

Yeah, really the -- it’s a big on some write starts in fourth quarter, but also the -- I mean I don’t think that the acquisitions themselves are driving it higher. And I think that probably in line with the two pieces are in line for the fourth quarter. So it’s really just occupancy start. And all stuff is already baked into our numbers right now.

Collin Mings

Analyst

Okay. So this occupancy in better higher range from better spreads.

John Hendrickson

Analyst

Right.

Collin Mings

Analyst

Okay alright. Helpful guys, thanks and good luck during the quarter.

John Hendrickson

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Craig Schmidt from Bank of America. Please go ahead, with your question.

Craig Schmidt

Analyst

Thank you, good morning. I was wondering if you can comment yeah -- I was wondering if you could comment on the plans for the $28 million in land available for development and the $12 million land available for sale?

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

Well. The most significant element in the land available for development involves the property we have in Heartland, Michigan. And we are working now with several users for not in insignificant percentage of that property and we’d like to think that we might be able to announce something sometime in the fourth quarter that we have completed an understanding with at least one specific tenant. As far as the land available for sale is concerned, obviously the timing on some of those parcels are a little bit harder to give you real timing on. Although we did a pretty good job of selling off land that was not income producing in 2015. It will be a significant focus of ours going forward that if we’re not going to be able to use raw land than we do one sell it at the most advantageous time at the best prices, but just to get it off our books for sure.

John Hendrickson

Analyst

And Craig just to clarify one thing on the Heartland transaction that Dennis has mentioned. As the transaction we’re working on right now is actually went up being a sale. So it won’t be -- you won’t see that on our development schedule the next phase. We expect that will generate demand for other development opportunities, but this initial phase you won’t see it.

Craig Schmidt

Analyst

Okay, thank you. That’s helpful.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Chris Lucas from Capital One Securities.

Christopher Lucas

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Just a quick question here on the sort of tenants held, has your watch list extended or shrunk say over the last six to nine months? And then maybe if you could provide some color on how late pays have trended over same time frame?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

Hi, Chris. No, I don’t think it’s unchanged I would say from a watch list standpoint and also from a late pay standpoint. I don’t think we’ve seen any significant change plus or minus over the last six to nine months, it seems very stable. And in fact we’ve been able to get after and I think better focus we can actually get after that [indiscernible] lower bad debt expenses, we are getting after things quicker. In addition to the fact that we a have better quality portfolio.

Christopher Lucas

Analyst

Could you John provide a little more color on when you say get after it quicker, what specifically are you talking about?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

That’s fair. I’m not talking about just being able to have right focus so that you can resolve disputes quicker, both from either late payer or people doing counter [ph] disputes and so forth. Being able to get the right focus from a right level of person and get resolved things quicker. And our reorganization has allowed us to do that supply. But higher quality team really focused on a smaller level properties and get after it quicker.

Christopher Lucas

Analyst

Okay. And then just a more general question, are you guys seeing any change in the decision making by tenants in terms of deciding to sign a lease or not is there anymore... is there any change to that?

John Hendrickson

Analyst

It continues to be I think harder as always has been. But I mean, no, I don’t think so. Tends to manage still good and they are still making I mean, they are being cheerful in their decision making process. But what has helped for sure from our standpoint it is that as you get new quality... as the quality of our portfolio, but also the quality of our acre tenancy has really helped drive that and you have multiple people chasing the same space.

Christopher Lucas

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks so much, guys. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen at this time we have no further question. I’d like to turn the floor back over to management for any closing comments.

Dennis Gershenson

Analyst

As always, ladies and gentlemen thank you very much for your time and attention. We look forward to a great quarter, the fourth quarter and we’ll talk to you after the first of the year. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today teleconference. You may now disconnect your line at this time. We thank you for your participation.