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Rithm Property Trust Inc. (RPT)

Q2 2010 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 28, 2010

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Ramco-Gershenson Properties Trust second quarter 2010 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Dawn Hendershot, Director of Investor Relation for Ramco-Gershenson. Thank you Ms. Hendershot, you may begin.

Dawn Hendershot

Management

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us for Ramco-Gershenson Properties Trust, second quarter conference call. At this time, management would like me to inform you that certain statements made during this conference call which are not historical, may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although, Ramco-Gershenson believes the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, it can give no assurance that its expectations will be attained. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ from expectations are detailed in the press release and from time-to-time in the company’s filings with the SEC. Additionally, we want to let everyone know that the information and statements made during the call are made as of the date of this call. Listeners to any replay should understand that the passage of time by itself will diminish the quality of the statements made. I would now like to introduce Dennis Gershenson, President and Chief Executive Officer and Gregory Andrews, Chief Financial Officer, both of whom who will be presenting prepared remarks this afternoon. Also with us today are Thomas Litzler, Executive Vice President of Development and Michael Sullivan, Senior Vice President of Asset Management. At this time I would like to turn the call over to Dennis, for his opening remarks.

Dennis Gershenson

President

Thank you, Dawn. And good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. I am very pleased to report that even in this continuing, uncertain economy, our balance sheet and operating statistics, be they debt ratios or liquidity, leasing velocity, rental comps, occupancy, same center net income comparisons or operating margins have all improved as compared to our numbers in the first quarter of this year. Also, we have signed more tenant lease agreements this quarter than in any comparable period in the last five years. Further, we have made substantial progress in completing our named value-add redevelopments and we continue to fill our mid-box vacancies. In the second quarter, we signed three anchored tenant agreements, bringing the number of new national and regional destination retailers in excess of 20,000 square feet to seven for the first six months of 2010. At the end of the third quarter of 2009, and again at the beginning of this year, we articulated a commitment to achieve two specific goals for the near term. First, we announced that we would take affirmative action to substantially improve our balance sheet and second, we promised to chart a clear course to credible sustainable earnings growth. We believe that our actions over the last nine month have demonstrated that we are well on our way to achieving both of these objectives. Concerning our balance sheet, in addition to our asset sales and equity raised in the third quarter of 2009, our recent $79 million public offering in May has substantially improved our debt position allowing us to pay down our term loan early retire two long-term mortgages with above market interest rates and we added additional flexibility to our liquidity position by reducing the outstanding balance on our revolving line of credit. Our debt to EBITDA ratio improved 170 basis…

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you Dennis. Before turning to our financial results for the quarter, I would like to note that since starting in February, I've had a chance to visit 75% of Ramco-Gershenson’s portfolio including all of our Michigan properties and all of the five of our Florida properties. What I have found is first, well located real estate with solid trade area demographics. Second, strong anchor lineups evidenced by TJ Maxx, Publix, and Home Depot as our top three anchors. And third, opportunities to add value both near term and long term through leaseups, re-tenanting, reconfigurations, out parcel sales, and ancillary income. In the hands of our talented leasing, management, development, construction and acquisition teams, I'm confident that our high quality real estate is capable of generating predictable cash flow for our shareholders. Now turning to the balance sheet, in mid-May we issued 6.9 million shares of common stock at $11.50 per share. Also in May, we obtained a five-year mortgage loan secured by our office building at the Town Center at Aquia. Net proceeds of approximately $76 million from the equity offering and $15 million from the mortgage loans were used to pay down debts and improve our balance sheet as follows. Number one, we paid down $37 million outstanding under our term loan more than four months before the scheduled amortization payment was due. The current outstanding balance under our term loan is 30 million and it’s not due until next June. Number two, we paid out two mortgages totaling $15.8 million that were scheduled to mature later this year. One at Promenade at Peachtree Hill in Atlanta, Georgia and the other at River Crossing in Tampa, Florida. These properties are now unencumbered. We also paid off the mortgage encumbering Cypress Pointe, a joint venture property in Clearwater, Florida.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from the line of Vincent Chao from Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Vincent Chao - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question

Just a quick question on the guidance I mean, with the increase in G&A the maintenance of guidance range, it looks like the underlining core metrics of same-store NOI and occupancy, that hasn't really changed. So I was just wondering is there a conservatism built in there or what else are you seeing that's making you more comfortable with the fundamental outlook?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

I think we have not changed our guidance on our core, in terms of same center NOI or occupancy but I think we have a little bit of a bias based on the trend so far this year that we will be at the better end of those respective ranges. But having said that, we have maintained the guidance just to build-in as you said a little bit of conservatism until we have a clear outlook in the third quarter.

Vincent Chao - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question

Can you provide a little bit more color on the acquisition that you're potentially looking at? Exactly where is that property and is that an area that you're looking for growth to expand in more or which areas are you looking at or targeting?

Dennis Gershenson

President

We obviously have attempted to be a little bit vague. I will merely say that it is in a trade area where we already have representation but it’s not in a trade area where we have a significant number of shopping centers. You will be very pleased by the metro market that it’s in as well as the anchor. Consistently, we look for assets with some upside and we have consciously picked an acquisition with a price that is well within the range that would allow us to buy something to show some reasonable upside and yet not stress the balance sheet

Vincent Chao - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question

And just one last question on the JV contributions and potential, it sounded like in your prepared remarks that that was more geared towards maybe repaying some 2011 maturities possibly. Is that fair to say? And with only $15 million I think in this acquisition, is it safe to say that those contributions will be used more for balance sheet improvement?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Well, I think we continue to strive to maintain a strong balance sheet but at the same time we continue to look for opportunities to invest capital in places we think we can make money like the acquisition that Dennis mentioned. If we can find another deal like that, I think it’s certainly something we would consider using a capital for just again depending on the timing of proceeds from the sales or contributions and the timing of potential acquisition opportunities.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Todd Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

I noticed that you now include the weighted average lease term with new renewal leases in the supplement and the lease term on the leases you signed this quarter did increase in the first quarter and I know you previously mentioned that you were strategically signing some shorter term leases. Has the need to sign shorter leases abated in your portfolio?

Dennis Gershenson

President

Well, I certainly can have Mike Sullivan amplifying with my comments but I think you would see if you actually saw the list of retailers is the majority of the reason for a slightly longer term is we are signing more national tenant leases than the regional and the locals and obviously the nationals are interested in a five or 10-year term. Michael would you add anything?

Michael Sullivan

Analyst · Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

I think that states it pretty well Todd unless you were talking about something more specifically.

Thomas Litzler

Analyst · Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Todd, the other point I would make is our rent spreads were greatly improved this quarter verses last quarter. So, on a comparable basis only down 1.6%. Obviously when you are getting a better rack you are more willing I think to commit to some term versus when you are getting comps that are down more you view that in light of kind of a shorter term solution and then you ultimately want to re-lease that space at better rents.

Todd Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

In terms of leasing spreads how do you expect that trend to continue, do you think we will the positive leasing spreads in the third or fourth quarter?

Michael Sullivan

Analyst · Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Well, Mike Sullivan here, we certainly hope for a positive leasing spread. We think there will be gradual improvement in both the renewal and new lease spreads. We are hoping to break towards the end of the year into positive territory. Q3 should be again another good quarter for us from the leasing perspective. We do see continuing improvements. I would like to push for flat as opposed to positive but through the third we will have some more indication of how we are going to end up at the year.

Todd Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay and then just circling up to the guidance, you maintain the negative 2%, negative 3% same store NOI, you mentioned the Albertson’s is that, can you quantify how much that will be in terms of occupancy and NOI and how that will drag the back half of the year?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Todd, I don’t have those numbers in front of me, specific leases but clearly the fact that they were the rent payer last year and not this year. It is going to contribute to that and we also previously had talked about a couple of other vacancies, the Wal-Mart at our Village Lakes and the Old Time Pottery and Promenade which also are contributing to that. So, I think all of those things together are built into our projection and we feel confident down two to three as the range for the full year.

Todd Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · Todd Thomas from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay and then lastly did you, what’s the cap rate on the $15 million acquisition?

Dennis Gershenson

President

I didn't mention that, I might have forgotten to mention it, I’m not prepared to mention it at the moment but as you know there's been very little of information on cap rates for supermarket anchor centers. Again this is in the metro market and at the time that we truly are prepared to close and announce that, I believe you’ll see that as above market cap-rate.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Muller from JP Morgan Chase. Please proceed with your question. Michael Muller – JP Morgan Chase : Yes, hi. A few questions, first of all for the boxes that you were talking about, the boxes that you and when you are looking at the portfolio occupancy of I think we saw it at maybe around 89.7 or so. How much incremental occupancy is to come from the boxes that are already in place?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Is that, I am sorry unlike the boxes that are not in place or not leased you mean. Michael Mueller - JPMorgan Chase & Co.: Well, yes I mean, basically you mentioned a handful of them are leased and some aren't leased. So if we're looking at the occupancy, I know there's a difference between the occupancy and the lease stats. So, particularly where focusing it on the occupancy of how much incremental occupancy is there from the boxes.

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

I think the question is sort of what’s in the pool of signed leases that makes up that difference and it is the combination of anchor boxes and shop tenants, and I don’t know the exact divisions but there's certainly a representation of signed leases for shop space as well as for in anchors.

Michael Sullivan

Analyst · Michael Muller from JP Morgan Chase

Michael I could deal with this in Q1 for those boxes that we signed in Q1 is the larger format that represents a pure (inaudible) which was 90,000 square feet, in Q2 we lost 75,000 square feet so these are junior anchol losses tat have filled the pure vacancy and also as opposed to a swap of Q1-Q2. For shop it’s about 85,000 Q1 and about 92,000 Q2. So those are the total square footage of the leases signed with still fewer vacancies in the portfolio. Michael Mueller - JPMorgan Chase & Co.: Okay, and focusing on the boxes the 90,000 and the 75,000, are they in occupancy or were they just signed and you're waiting for occupancy?

Michael Sullivan

Analyst · Michael Muller from JP Morgan Chase

These are signed, they are leased but net not yet opened our delivered and of course we schedule the opening to the best of our estimate based on construction and permitting events. Michael Mueller – JPMorgan: And then, Greg, when you gave the year-end occupancy guidance is that for the consolidated portfolio and is that leased, or is that occupancy?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

That's percent leased and it’s in the same basis that we report our occupancy which is the entire portfolio. Michael Mueller – JPMorgan: Last question, when you talk about asset sales, can you give us an idea of what is based in the guidance for the incremental. Actually I know you talked about some potential joint ventures, and selling assets into joint ventures. Can you give us an idea of either magnitude, what may be in 2010 or even what a base case could be thinking about for say over the next year or so in terms of what the potential for asset sales could be?

Dennis Gershenson

President

We are estimating Michael somewhere between $25 and $40 million that would be a combination of assets that have some debt on it and cash. Michael Mueller – JPMorgan: Okay and is that for this year or that's just the overall bucket and when it hits but you are looking at 2012 (inaudible)

Dennis Gershenson

President

Well, you can't predict with precision the timing of posing of these kinds of things so those are sales that were looking to close this year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions.

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

On the maturities that you guys have said next year, the mortgage maturities, is the plan to try to refinance those with additional secured debt or would you be unencumbering those Assets too you think and using the line of credit for that.

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Well, I don't think we would want to use the line of credit which is really more designed for flexibility not long term financing. We certainly want to refinance any long term debt that comes to deal with long term debt but from that case whether its additional mortgage financing or some other means will depends somewhat on the market but I think we have a high degree of confidence in the refinance ability of all of that. I looked at for the next two years of the mortgage debt coming due from now to feel kind of the net of health and on an average the loan to value is moderate. It’s around 60% so I think we are not going to have great challenges in refinancing in the mortgage if that is indeed the path we choose.

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

Ok and then Greg on the $30 million term loan does that eventually end up on the line of credit you think or can you do something to sustain that in some sense.

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Well I think again you have sort of a variety of options right, one would be to sort of rolling in the line at this point and maybe expand the line. So that it’s kind of using up any of the existing capacity but you get a little bit of extra time to refinance that and the other option might be to term it out with another loan. So I think there's some flexibility there. We paid off two-thirds of the term loan at this point and I think because the balance sheet is so much stronger we didn't have our choice of some option as to what to do there.

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

Okay, part of the reason I asked was just, it strikes me that you guys have a good balance sheet from an overall debt standpoint but in fact you could still line up fairly quickly and I'm trying to figure out you would need additional common equity to take care of some of these things, I mean how do you view that?

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

Well, I think it depends on sort of opportunities are that present themselves but there's a substantial capacity on the line today with more than $60 million drawn out of $150 million. So I’m not sure what fairly quickly means but I think we feel like that a fair amount of flexibility there and I think we have the ability to turn you know, now that we have been building up some, a little bit on the encumbered side, we have the flexibility as to how we turn out debt.

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

And then staying with the balance sheet for a second, when we look at the total amount of debt you have, its obviously gone down, but interest expense rose during the quarter and I’m wondering is there more capitalized interest that wasn't capitalized, I am sorry that was capitalized and now it's being expensed or anything different in there that would make interest expense rise even though the debt is obviously shrinking?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, in fact I caught the same thing as we prepared for our call and we were giving all the numbers and, the couple of things stand out, one of which is if identified there was of additional interest capitalized in the first quarter compared to the second quarter, kind of huge amount but, it is one of the explanations. I think the bigger explanation is we had our swaps termination costs in our interest expense this quarter and so obviously that's a non-recurring item. And then thirdly, there were some fees related to the new loans and even unused fees on the line of credit. So, all those things or any of them I think you will see interest expense reduced in the quarters going forward Rich.

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

Did you give us all those numbers? I can't remember for each of (inaudible) cost and all that so we can back them out?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, that was in my prepared remarks.

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

Okay. And then the last thing I have was, do you have a number for maintenance CapEx, TIs, leasing commissions that kind of thing for the quarter?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Not the total number. We don’t have a sort of global number for that Rich but what I can say is that in terms of tenant allowance it is obviously you can't do leasing deals in this environment without offering something and certainly on the anchor deals that's the piece that generates the biggest piece of allowance that I think we feel very comfortable with the amount that we are spending there given a number of things. First of all, that we are filling these vacant boxes with primarily credit tenant like Staples or (inaudible) and the like. Secondly, that the terms of the leases are 10-year terms and thirdly the costs are actually pretty reasonable and I think in line with kind of market norms.

Rich Moore - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst · Rich Moore with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions

And you didn't have any plans, Greg to put those in the supplemental?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Well, we are looking at it, I think generally that’s a good disclosure process of the peer group. I just want to make sure that before we do anything on that front that we are gathering the data in an accurate and consistent manners so that we are not misreporting anything but I think you have been looked up adding some of that data at some point in the future.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow up question from the line of Vincent Chao. Please proceed with your question.

Vincent Chao - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Vincent Chao. Please proceed with your question

Just a clarifying question on the guidance. I thought I heard you say that the 90% to 91% was on a lease basis not on occupied basis. Is that correct?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Correct

Vincent Chao - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Vincent Chao. Please proceed with your question

So you are at 90.8% today, and that sort of implies at midpoint a little bit of a tick down in occupancy, that's the right way to think about that?

Dennis Gershenson

President

I think Vincent that the guidance at the end of the year ‘09 at 91% really is principal occupancy of the entire portfolio, not the lease. The lease you will better number.

Vincent Chao - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Vincent Chao. Please proceed with your question

So it's the percent occupied number that you guys reported at 89.7%.

Michael Sullivan

Analyst · Vincent Chao. Please proceed with your question

It might be the bulk numbers falling in that same range. The different isn’t that big so it may well be on both the physical and I am sorry on at least an economic basis in the 90% to 91%.

Vincent Chao - Deutsche Bank

Analyst · Vincent Chao. Please proceed with your question

Okay, so I mean if you look at one versus the other, just relative to where you are today, it implies certain things about the trajectory of occupancy. That's why I just wanted to clarify that, but thank you. And the other thing was on the contribution the $25 million to $45 million of contribution/asset sales. You said you were looking to close this year but is that actually baked into the guidance range? The actual closure of those?

Gregory Andrews

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, they are.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in the queue at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Dennis Gershenson

President

As always we thank everyone for their interest and their attention and we look forward to talking to you if not before or 90 days.