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ReNew Energy Global Plc (RNW)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 20, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the ReNew's Second Quarter Fiscal Year '24 Earnings Report. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Nathan Judge of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us. This morning, we issued a press release announcing results for the fiscal 2024 second quarter ending September 30, 2023. A copy of the press release and the presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of ReNew's website at www.renew.com. With me today are Sumant Sinha, Founder, Chairman, and CEO; Kailash Vaswani, our newly appointed CFO, and Vaishali Nigam Sinha, Co-Founder and Chairman of Sustainability. After the prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. Please note, our safe harbor statements are contained within our press release, presentation materials and materials available on our website. These statements are important and integral to our remarks and there are risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. So we encourage you to review the press release we furnished in our Form 6-K and the presentation on our website for a more complete description. Also contained in our press release, presentation materials, and annual report or certain non-IFRS measures that we reconcile to the most comparable IFRS measures, and these reconciliations are also available on our website in the press release, presentation materials and on our annual report. And it is now my pleasure to hand it over to Sumant. Sumant?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes, thank you, Nathan. Good morning, everyone. I'm glad to have you all in our second quarter fiscal year ended 2024. This year has presented new opportunities for us in avenues that align seamlessly with our competitive advantages. The backdrop for Indian renewable energy developers is the best we have ever seen, marked by a significant surge in power demand, shortfalls in energy supply, significant increase in auctions for renewable energy, which is the lowest cost electricity supply without subsidy, a softening of solar module prices, and a shift towards complex projects that is best served by wind, of which we are the largest developer in the country. I firmly believe that ReNew, with its disciplined approach to identifying the best return opportunities, is well positioned to capitalize on the current market. We continue to make progress towards our goals, maintaining capital discipline along the way. We are more confident of achieving our financial guidance set earlier this year, and are raising the lower end of our EBITDA guidance by approximately 3%. We now anticipate delivering between INR 62 billion to INR 66 billion in adjusted EBITDA for FY '24. We have put in a majority of our wind turbines and solar panels in our largest projects being commissioned this year, which puts us in good stead to deliver on our guidance of between 1.75 and 2.25 gigawatts of projects to be completed by this fiscal year end. We expect the additional capacity should translate to approximately 35% or more per share EBITDA growth next fiscal year. We continue to seek a consistent flow of auctions, as central agencies such as NTPC, SJVN, SECI, NHPC, and some states have announced RE auctions of 65 gigawatts this year, the highest that we have ever seen in the history of our industry.…

Kailash Vaswani

Analyst

Thank you, Sumant. And it's my pleasure to be here and interact with all of you. Before I begin my comments on the quarter, I thought I would like to share a little about my view on my commitment to capital discipline, in which I am a staunch believer. We live within our means and only deploy capital when the returns on our investments are comfortably above our cost of capital. Having been on ReNew's investment committee for some time, I fully supported the $250 million share buyback that, was authorized in February of last year, as I saw investing in our shares as one of the most attractive investment opportunities of scale at that time. I still believe that at the current share price, there are a wide array of options that, we can use to fund growth without issuing shares. I have led all of the capital recycling efforts so far and see a significant amount of demand for our projects. I also will lead efforts, to deleverage our balance sheet over time. With regard to the veracity of our reported numbers, I fully stand behind them. Turning to Page 9, while the global markets have been impacted by rise in interest rates, we have actively managed our portfolio by refinancing our higher cost debt and ensuring our overall cost of debt, is kept within check. In India, the yield spread for Indian money debt has compressed significantly as the sector matures. We can currently raise debt for our projects at sub-9%, through large Indian financial institutions. Importantly, assuming interest rates remain where they are now, we expect to be able to refinance debt maturing of $850 million over the next several years at a lower interest rate, saving an average of 25 to 50 basis points. We…

Vaishali Nigam Sinha

Analyst

Thank you, Kailash. Turning to Page 16, building upon the momentum from the previous year, we remain steadfast in our commitment to establish new benchmarks across all aspects of our ESG vision, performance and transparency. We are leading the way for ESG in our sector. ReNew has released a sustainability report for fiscal year 2022-23 titled Driving Decarbonization. The report is aligned with GRI, SASB and TCFD and externally assured by DNV. Some of the key highlights of the report are, ReNew has generated clean electricity, which is 17,386 gigawatt hours, which is enough to power nearly 5 million Indian households. It has also helped to avoid 14 million tons of carbon emissions, through its operations, which is about 0.5% of India's total emissions. The carbon intensity of ReNew's electricity generation is about 92% less than the Indian power sector's average. ReNew saves about 318,708 kiloliters of water, about 48% year-on-year increase through our robotic cleaning and condition-based monitoring system. ReNew achieves carbon neutral status for the third consecutive year for a Scope 1 and 2 greenhouse gas emissions. I've mentioned earlier as well, the net zero targets for 2014 were validated by SBTi and entails reducing greenhouse gas emissions across all scopes by 29.4% in 2027 and by 90% by 2040. Two, clean energy procurement for operations, electrification of fossil fuel based equipment, encouraging suppliers to set SBTi aligned targets, low carbon footprint raw materials and green logistics for transportation. So as you can tell, we are deeply committed. Social responsibility continues to remain an integral part of our business. Our CFe journey which began in 2014 and since then we have impacted the lives of over 1 million people across 500 plus villages in India, spanning across 10 states in the remotest parts of our country. Now, if…

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Thank you, Vaishali. Turning to our annual guidance, I am happy to report that we have increased the bottom end of our FY '24 adjusted EBITDA guidance by INR 2 billion to INR 62 billion to INR 66 billion on account of a better than expected H1 performance. We have provided some additional details on how results were compared to our original guidance in the appendix of this earnings presentation. We reiterate our capacity of completed guidance for this fiscal year of between 1.75 to 2.25 gigawatts. Regarding our buyback, we have repurchased by now 38.6 million shares in total since February last year, which represent approximately 35% of the free float at the time of listing. We have $11 million of authorization remaining, which represents about 4% to 5% of the total free float. With that, we will be happy to take any questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Puneet Gulati from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Yes, thank you so much and congratulations on good numbers and good profitability as well. My first question is on the win PLF. So this quarter has been particularly good at 42% PLF. Should one consider this to be normal for 2Q or do you think it was higher than the normal?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes, Puneet. Hi, thank you. This year's PLF in Q2 was a little bit, but very marginally, I would say higher than what would be normal. But keep in mind that Q1 is actually significantly lower as well. So, in aggregate, Q1 and Q2 put together is lower than what should have been the case.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Okay, understood. So, first half is normal, but Q2 higher, Q1 lower

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes, first half is a little bit less than normal, but Q2 is a little bit higher than normal and Q2 was lower. And so, therefore, overall we are ending up a little bit lower than the overall H1 expectation would have been.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Understood. And secondly, can you also update on one of the acquisitions that you announced a few quarters back? What is the progress there?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes, I'll let Kailash do that.

Kailash Vaswani

Analyst

Yes, Puneet. So, on the acquisition that we had announced, there was a lot of delay which happened in getting the approvals because those assets were sitting in a partnership firm and they had to demerge it into a company and the approvals for that demerger took a lot of time. So, that deal reached a long-stop date and we decided we didn't want it because the entire market had sort of taken so much time for this process to get completed that we don't want to wait any longer and we got better opportunities on the bidding side. So, we decided to allocate capital more on the organic front.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Understood. And there were no penalties that we had to pay for that?

Kailash Vaswani

Analyst

No, no penalties. There were some transaction costs which were involved, initial cost which was less than a $1 million. That was your total cost that we ended up incurring on it.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Okay. And secondly, Sumant, you announced in this year, a lot of bids have been announced, tendering has happened, some PPAs being signed. Do you have a similar number for FY '23? What kind of bids got announced and how much PPAs have been signed and what is the backlog for that?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

So, FY '23, so you know, Puneet, it's very hard for me to give a number because FY '23, we actually hardly won any capacity. We just had a 3% market share last year. And - but I should tell you that our SECI 8 solar which is the outstanding, which in fact we haven't put anywhere in the presentation, but therefore, Nathan, you have to tell me whether I can talk about that or not.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Yes, go ahead, Sumant.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Okay. So, the SECI 8, which was an outstanding 200 megawatts, that PPA has also got signed now. So, of the 13.7 or 8 that we now have, everything is fully signed PPAs. So, there's nothing that is now not signed. So, the only point I'm trying to make is that old PPAs are now getting converted quite rapidly. And with power demand going up, there is definitely interest among the discounts to go to SECI and try to convert some of the options into firm PPAs. But you know, Puneet, the process is a long one because the distribution utilities have to first, of course, go to the commercial implication. Then they have to go to their local regulator and get the approval of the tariff. That process itself can take a month or two. Then they come back to the SECI and then basically go ahead and sign the PPA. After that, SECI signs the PPA balance. So, that whole process can take several months to get consummated. And in auctions where there is a central acquirer, they have to go to the central regulatory authority. So, for example, a couple of bids that we won back in April-May are now sitting with the central regulator, CERC, for approval. And it's just a process, frankly speaking. It just takes a little bit of time. And so, the process of conversion of these bids to PPAs is happening within the works. And I think progressively, as some of these approvals from the regulators come through, you'll see some of that getting announced.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

And in your reasonable expectation of the 2.9 left, how many of them should you see PPAs getting signed this year itself?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

I would imagine that most of them should --

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

I'm sure it's hard to say.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes, it's hard to say, but actually I would imagine most of them should get signed. Certainly, some of the more plain vanilla ones should. But then, of course, there is also some complex auctions. Complex auctions, as you know, does require a longer lead time to convert to PPAs, simply because they are, by definition, complex. And therefore, this storm will also take a longer time to understand them and then be able to get their own internal approvals. And then also to that extent, regulators take longer to understand them. So, the whole process of conversion of complex auctions is just a little bit longer. But, you know, the reality is that for us, there is no urgency at all right now on some of these, because for the capacity that we've won, these are things that we're going to construct only in FY '26. And so, you know, we have time on our side to get them signed. Meanwhile, I should tell you that for all the projects that we've got LoAs, we've already blocked transmission capacity. So, transmission capacity has been blocked. Land, we have, obviously, we're working on that right now. But eventually, we will convert them into actual, sort of deals when the PPAs do get signed as we go forward. And keep in mind that our clock to execute starts ticking only once the PPAs are signed.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Right. But you have land for the entire 3.5, which is one good thing.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes. I mean, we don't have to acquire it right now as long as we have good line of sight into where that land is. In some cases, you can block the land without actually paying any real significant amount of money. But the important thing is as long as you block the transmission capacity, then, you know, that's the most critical factor. And with the LoAs in hand, we are, in fact, able to block the transmission capacity. And so for all the capacities that we have, all the 3.1 gigawatts that we run, we have blocked the transmission capacity for all of that.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Understood. That's very helpful. And lastly, any progress on asset recycling? Anything that you did in Q2 and what's out there for the second half?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes, Kailash, can you take that?

Kailash Vaswani

Analyst

Yes. So, we have consummated transactions of almost around $93 million till date. And we are working on a few in the pipeline. But the timing on asset sales is, you know, really hard to say because when the deals get done, so how much will get done in Q3 versus Q4, we are working towards it.

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

And $93 million would include the Gentari acquisition and its results?

Kailash Vaswani

Analyst

That's right. It includes the two deals or three deals rather. It's the Gentari deal, the 100 megawatt sale to [Technip Solar], and the third one is the amount that we got from [Northland solar transmission assets].

Puneet Gulati

Analyst

Okay. Understood. That's everything. Thank you so much and all the best.

Kailash Vaswani

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Justin Clare from ROTH MKM. Please go ahead.

Justin Clare

Analyst

Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking our questions there. So I want to ask just about the amount of capacity here. So there's, it seems a significantly larger opportunity for renewable projects here in terms of the auctions that are expected annually. So I was wondering if you could speak to the potential for bottlenecks to emerge given the larger volume of capacity. And then, maybe you could speak to your strategy in managing those potential bottlenecks.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Justin, thank you so much for the question. But, you know, you asked me a question that I can spend many hours discussing with you as you can imagine because this is obviously essential to our business. But just to give you a very quick sense of that, I think the key issues that are required for executing a project, of course, are PPAs, which as we discussed, there's ample opportunity for us to win capacities there. The second is transmission. And that is not a limiting factor right now because the government is building transmission capacity quite at quite rapid pace. And as I said, once we win an LoA or we win a bid and get the LoA, then we're able to block the transmission capacity. And if there is no transmission capacity available, then the execution timelines are automatically moved forward. So transmission does not become therefore a problem for us to rule out and it should not become. The third is land. Land, of course, we're working on constantly and we're always trying to look at what is the forward pipeline and we're trying to block land for three years out, four years out projects. And we're also obviously putting up a number of net marks in different parts of the country. We have several hundred net marks that are now up and running to measure wind. And in solar, we have blocked by three - by a number of mechanisms transmission capacity in the state of Rajasthan, which allows us to execute projects even for two, three years beyond our existing pipelines. So, there is a lot of land available in Rajasthan for solar projects. So land is handled on that basis. And then, of course, there's the issue of people and organization. That is…

Justin Clare

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Yes, no, very helpful. And then I guess just on the supply chain, you have your own in-house module manufacturing today. I was wondering if you could share what the cost structure was for the modules that you're producing in-house, and how that might compare, to what's available in the market, including the cost of the import duty, and how this might give you a relative advantage in terms of your cost structure?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes. Nathan, we haven't come out with those numbers right now, right? But please reconfirm.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

No, not just yet. But I mean, if you want to give some ranges, that's fine.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. So yes, Justin, the thing is that, as you know, import duties in India for solar modules are about 40%. And that gives us sufficient protection against imported modules. The cost differential between what we produce in India and what is produced in China - as just for the module, in our estimation is about 10% to 15%. And so, the 40% protection is sufficient to allow us to not have that as an issue for us. The second thing is keep in mind that from - that way we also have the approved list of modules in manufacturers, which is really a hard barrier to import, which the government had imposed from this April, but had deferred it for a year. And it is coming back in April of next year, which will then prevent any imports from coming in at all, notwithstanding any duties and everything else. And so at that point, it will not even just become a cost issue. It will become an availability issue, because anybody who has access to modules, will be able to continue to execute projects, and people who don't obviously will not be able to. Our sense is that module supply next year will be in deficit, because obviously while capacity is coming up, it does take time to essentially get it to a level, where people have good quality, and stable production in place. Having said that, our sense also is, although there is no specific data that is there that allows us to point to, but just based on people that are working with us and so on, our cost of production is very competitive among other Indian companies. So that is really also something that we would like to benchmark ourselves to.

Justin Clare

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Thank you.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

And Samant, there is actually an inbound email question from Girish [ph] at Morgan Stanley that, is related to that. So if I could just ask this. Basically, are we open to selling a minority stake in our solar manufacturing? And there seems to be an overcapacity coming online in India and given strong response to PLI. What are our thoughts about those?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes. So, no, we certainly are open. We're not willing to keeping a 100% of the solar plant. As we stated many times, the reason that we set it up is, to assure ourselves of supply security. And as long as we're able to do that, we are, you know, that meets our primary objective. As far as overcapacity is concerned in the Indian market, that is something that we'll have to wait and see, because obviously while there are a lot of people who have announced plans, how many of those actually rectify, we will have to monitor. And the second thing is also that a lot of the earlier capacities that, have been set up are actually going to become uncompetitive, because they just won't have either the efficiency, the production or the ability to make the latest generation of modules. So to some extent, some of the earlier capacities will have to be discounted in the calculation of the capacities that are coming up. Yes. So that's my response on that, Nathan.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Thank you. Jason, go ahead to the next question. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from…

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Actually, if I could just add…

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Yes Sumant, go ahead. Go ahead Sumant, go and finish your thought.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Okay. Yes. No, no. The only other thing I would say is that also keep in mind that a lot of the modules are being exported, shipped out of India to the U.S. and other places. And so that also adds to the deficit - and will add to the deficit in the country next year.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Go ahead, Jason. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thanks. And our next question comes from Nikhil Nigania from Bernstein. Please go ahead.

Nikhil Nigania

Analyst

Yes. Thank you. Congratulations on a good set of numbers. My first question is regarding the RTC and Peak Power projects. Good to see their guidance being maintained. But just wanted to clarify that transmission is not a bottleneck for these two assets, when they're commissioned in Q4, power evacuations and the grid evacuations will start happening.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

One, Nikhil, I can categorically confirm that to you, that transmission is not a bottleneck. Largely, because we are actually building a lot of it ourselves. The very first project opting in RTC, there are three different wind projects and one solar project. The first wind project was making to a substation that we ourselves are making. And that we have now commissioned and - that has been charged. And so therefore, we just waiting - going through the connectivity protocols now to connect the first project into that [Koppal] substation - that we did. The second one also we are building, actually, which is another substation. And so therefore, obviously, we have clear understanding and control of when the substations are coming up. The third one is getting connected to a substation that has been made by our third-party, which we are closely monitoring and we are in touch with them. And that also looks like it's on track. So that should not lead to any problems either. So I don't anticipate any transmission related issues in commissioning these projects.

Nikhil Nigania

Analyst

Okay. Good to hear that. I think a related question then is transmission. I think a point slightly alluded to during the discussion earlier. Is transmission being seen as a constraint India ramping up to 30, 40 gigs of renewable installation now? Are you seeing that as a constraint in reaching that higher renewable installation numbers probably?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

I would say the government has been so far quite proactive in building on transmission capacity. And I think a lot of transmission capacity exists in the country that can allow for the 50 gigawatts of commissioning. The only thing is, of course, that the transmission capacity is not necessarily areas that people would want to set up or maybe there's some constraint in places like Rajasthan or Karnataka and so on. And there, there might be bottlenecks as we go forward. But when I say bottlenecks, I mean that the bottleneck will emerge after 30 gigawatts or 40 gigawatts of connectivity rather than 10 or 15 gigawatts. So there is a lot of room to go before we actually start having constraints really, really emerge. So I would say that at least for the next two, three years, we should not be seeing any transmission bottlenecks. And the government is, as you very well know, trying to really speed up the construction of transmission projects and the auctioning of transmission projects. So they are very closely evaluating what the issues are and are trying to debottleneck that.

Nikhil Nigania

Analyst

Got it. Thank you. And my last question then is, there was this one big tender, the RTC-2 tender, I think for more than 2 gigawatts, which I think has been going around for quite some time. Any update that could be shared on that from the news side?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

I'm not sure which tender you're specifically talking about. There's one. There's RTC-2?

Nikhil Nigania

Analyst

Yes. The one that coal was also not to be blended, coal-fired generation.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Okay, okay, okay. No, listen, I haven't heard about that tender for quite some time. So I'm not sure that it is live right now. But as you know, in the meantime, a number of other RTC auctions have happened. [Techie 6] was the first one that happened. That is for 200 megawatts of headline capacity, which, as you know, translates to about 3.5 gigawatts of actual RTC capacity. Then SJVN just recently did another 200 megawatts capacity, which is not actually fully subscribed to, in which we've done 184 megawatts. And then there's the REMCL tender as well. So there have been three such tenders in the last few months. And as you know, a number more are due to be coming up in the next few months.

Nikhil Nigania

Analyst

Got it. Got it. Thanks. Thank you so much. Those are my questions. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Angie Storozynski from Seaport. Please go ahead.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Thank you. So just two simple questions. One, you do lots of capital recycling and existing and future projects. And so I'm just wondering if the gains that you record on that are reflected in your EBITDA. So that's number one. And number two is, when you show us EBITDA and debt projections, just wanted to make sure that this is proportional EBITDA and proportional net debt, meaning the portion of both that you keep as renewed net of those divestitures or asset recyclings.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes. Kailash?

Kailash Vaswani

Analyst

Sure. Yes. So the gains on the asset sales have not been reflected in the EBITDA line as of now. I think the accounting transaction happened subsequent to the end of the previous quarter. So that's the reason why I think it will get accounted in the subsequent period. To your second point, where we consolidate the full EBITDA, where we own 51% majority of the assets, there the full debt also gets consolidated with us into the balance sheet. So we don't consolidate on a proportional basis because if we are in control of the asset, then the entire EBITDA and debt sort of stays with us. We take out the minority interest on account of the joint venture partners' interest in the project.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

I understand, but I'm just asking you - yes.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Yes. Sorry. Just to clarify, on our guidance that you see there, that is just our net. So if you look at the debt -

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

So it is net of minority interest.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Yes. So those are actually net to shareholders.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

So, I mean, so - but as far as - yes. Actually, we're recording. We would be taking out the net or the minority position in the minority interest line. But as a projection and our guidance is concerned, it's all net of what we currently own.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay. That's good. And then just going back to the gains on capital recycling. So, again, I mean, you've done a couple of those transactions in the past. And I'm just wondering, I mean, have those been a meaningful contributor to the EBITDA? I understand the difference in the timing of recognition of the gain for this latest transaction. But I'm just wondering how big of a component of EBITDA this has been or can be. Again, just I know that that's an ongoing business. But I'm, again, wondering how big of a position of the EBITDA this is.

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

So, see, again, there's an accounting value to it. What tends to happen is that we book costs basis and accounting calculation on the capital expenditure. We're also going to put some margins at the EPC levels. When we consolidate them, they get knocked off. When we sell those assets, those assets are marked at a higher value in our books because of the - because we are sort of selling those assets. So to that extent, the gains are smaller, but the cash flow impact is larger.

Nathan Judge

Analyst

Okay. So if the gains are not very material. And also remember that most of the larger transactions were related to projects that are under construction. Right? So our Peak Power and our RTC projects, right. And those gains would be, well, commercial gains, but accounting gains are de minimis because they haven't been actually selling of operating assets. That's where you would see gains. So, so far, there's not been much.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Okay. And then lastly, and again, by now you probably see where I'm going with this. I'm trying to compare you to other renewable power developers. There's been some differences in how, you know, that's, and EBITDA are shown. So, you know, you guys do project financing and I'm just wondering if there is any reasons for your - for you to change that stance. Like, I don't know, as the balance sheet grows, would you consider balance sheet financing? Again, any, any changes in how you finance a new build?

Sumant Sinha

Analyst

Yes. So again, there, what happens is that, you know, obviously we have an existing portfolio, which is quite sizable. We have existing debt, which is quite sizable. So to change everything to balance sheet, it will take time, and it requires a certain type of market environment, which is relatively easy money policy type of market where the rates are lower. In which market you can obviously get transactions done by getting borrowing balance sheet. And then repaying the debt at the core levels. But given that market conditions are what they are, investors are very focused on getting security on specified assets. And then the lenders typically wouldn't want to consolidate or have in their entities where they hold the security under construction risk. Because then the risk weightage is for them also changes. So we are not moving to a balance sheet type of financing anytime soon. For us, this model really works. And most of the Indian context, the lenders are project finance lenders with specific assets. And they want the full security of that asset without sharing it with any other lenders. So from a bankruptcy remoteness point of view also, that is the preferred model in India. So it seems like we'll have to sort of continue with that.

Angie Storozynski

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.