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Renasant Corporation (RNST)

Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 25, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Renasant Corp. 2012 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call and webcast. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. Now I'd like to turn the conference over to Renasant Corp. Please go ahead.

John Oxford

Analyst

Good morning, this is John Oxford with Renasant Corp., and thank you for joining us for Renasant Corp.'s first quarter 2012 earnings conference call. Participating in this call with us today are members of Renasant Corp.'s executive management team. Before we begin, let me remind you that some of our comments during this call may be forward-looking statements, which involve risks and uncertainty. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results or other expectations expressed in the forward-looking statements. Those factors include, but are not limited to, interest rate fluctuation, regulatory changes, portfolio performance and other factors discussed in our recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We undertake no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect changed assumptions, the occurrence of unanticipated events or changes in future operating results over time. And now, I'll turn the call over to Renasant Chairman and CEO, E. Robinson McGraw.

E. McGraw

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to our first quarter 2012 conference call. We believe our first quarter 2012 financial results reflect our continued focus in several key areas, specifically generating new business and working aggressively through the remainder of our problem credits. Looking back at the progress we've made over the last 12 months, it's noteworthy that we have grown loans for 3 conservative quarters and increased noninterest-bearing core deposits over 10% while reducing our nonperforming loans 47%. We also experienced a decrease in our 30 to 89 days past due loans in other real estate owned during the same period. Capitalizing on new market entrances over the past 12 months, we've taken advantages of many opportunities to enhance our long-term profitability and expand our footprint in product delivery by way of de novo and acquisitions throughout the Southeast. In recapping our new market opportunities over the past 12 months, during the first quarter of '11, the company successfully completed its conversion of the operations of Crescent Bank & Trust of Jasper, Georgia, which was acquired in '10. In February '11, the company acquired the former American Trust Bank in Roswell, Georgia from the FDIC as the receiver of American Trust. On July 1 of '11, the company announced its entrance into the Montgomery, Alabama market just 2 days after it announced that it entered into an agreement to acquire RBC Birmingham-based trust division. Finishing out our new market entrances, the company entered both the Starkville, Mississippi and Tuscaloosa, Alabama markets in late '11. During the first quarter of '12, net income was approximately $5.9 million as compared to approximately $5.7 million for the fourth quarter of '11 and $7.5 million for the first quarter of '11. Let me remind you that during the first quarter of '11, we recognized a…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question will come from Catherine Mealor of KBW.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst

Robin, I want to see if you could talk a little bit about the movement in OREO. What type of OREO properties were you able to move out this quarter? I know last quarter, you had about $36 million in residential land development properties in OREO. Are you able to move these properties out or are you seeing more movement in your vertical properties?

E. McGraw

Analyst

Catherine, actually we're seeing a combination. A lot of the property that we have under contract that closed this quarter and will close in future quarters, a large portion of that $9 million, and then we have additional contractual property to close in, in 2013. Over and above that $9 million is in fact coming from our land development area. We are in fact seeing nice movement in lots across the system. Recently, Memphis has been a really good area that we've seen lots moving. In fact, we've had some undeveloped land under contract in Memphis for next quarter also, which is the second phase of a subdivision, which all the lots have either closed or will close during the course of the second quarter this year. This is starting to actually, say, roll over into DeSoto County as we're beginning to see contracts come in on some lots in the DeSoto County market also. Not to the large extent that we're seeing in Memphis, in Nashville, in Birmingham and some of the other areas, but we are in fact seeing that happen. In addition to property, we've mentioned that we have under contract in the noncovered area, we have about $7.9 million -- $8.9 million under contract in Georgia to close. So we're seeing under last year [ph], we are in fact seeing some real progress in that area, in all places, Catherine.

Catherine Mealor

Analyst

And maybe as a follow-up, did your classified loans also see a positive decline?.

E. McGraw

Analyst

Yes, we have. Let me let Claude Springfield comment on our watchlist.

Claude Springfield

Analyst

Actually, our watchlist over the past 2 years has decreased, dollar-wise, about 33%. Of that decrease, 20% came in a year-over-year basis, so it's been trailing down rather nicely.

E. McGraw

Analyst

I think with the decline in the watchlist that we're seeing, which is -- has been rather substantial over that timeframe. And obviously, our early stage delinquencies are at extremely low levels for the times that we're in. And the decline in our nonperforming loans -- we're optimistic on the direction we're going from a credit standpoint.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Fitzsimmons of Sandler O'Neill.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

A couple of questions, just first on the expenses. If we take out the debt extinguishment penalty, I guess, on a core basis, you're at roughly $31.7 million in noncredit expenses for the quarter. I know seasonally sometimes the first quarter is a little high. How should we think about that run rate? Is that a good run rate? Should we be thinking it'll be at lower in the next quarter as we model going forward?

E. McGraw

Analyst

Kevin, I'm going to let Stuart answer that.

Stuart Johnson

Analyst

Kevin, this is Stuart. On our run rate going forward, the 36 that we were using, that's going to be a little higher. We expect -- even considering other real estate at the amount that we had expensed during the quarter, we'll be -- we should be down $600,000, $700,000 we expect in the second quarter versus the first quarter.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay, so that's including the OREO expenses in there as well?

Stuart Johnson

Analyst

That's leaving those because that's the expense that will vary from quarter to quarter. We typically run about $300,000, $350,000 cost of carry. So -- but dependent upon the sales that we've got and what those gains and/or losses would be, that's leaving that number at about $3.5 million that's embedded in the second quarter that we incurred in the first quarter.

E. McGraw

Analyst

And, Kevin, on that OREO, the $3.6 million under contract for the second quarter is basically at a breakeven. And one other item, you'd mentioned the seasonality. In the first quarter, we also had a tick up in FICA taxes compared to the fourth quarter. That was up about $260,000. That will trend down during the year.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay. Good. And I just want to clarify, Stuart, your comments about it being down $600,000 to $700,000, that's excluding the debt extinguishment penalty, right, from this quarter?

Stuart Johnson

Analyst

That would be taking that one out, yes.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Right. Okay. And then just as a quick follow-up, I noticed other noninterest income jumped up a little over $1 million linked quarter. Just trying to get a feel for what that is. I don't know if that's just more of the follow-on from some of the past acquisitions or market entries, or if it's having to do with the FDIC-assisted deals?

Stuart Johnson

Analyst

Okay. On the fee income?

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Yes, the other noninterest income on a linked quarter basis? Other, other?

Stuart Johnson

Analyst

I guess part of that is going to be some seasonal stuff too. For example, our site deposit March ramp, we normally get the bulk of that in the first quarter compared to other quarters. We did have a claim settlement -- insurance settlement on our Smithville branch that's embedded into those numbers as well. That's roughly about $0.5 million.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

So we shouldn't assume next quarter it's going to be necessarily this high, right?

E. McGraw

Analyst

No.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

And lastly just -- if you guys could give us a sense on your outlook for the margin going forward. You guys have been focusing a lot on reducing funding cost, but I know it's a difficult environment on the yield side. So if you can just give us a sense for how you're thinking there.

James Gray

Analyst

Kevin, this is Jim Gray. I think we should see pretty much through the year what we saw in the first quarter margin being flat but net interest income improving as we grow loans and grow core deposits and kind of releverage our balance sheet and continue improving our mix. Of course, I believe we'll continue to see nonaccrual loans go down, so reducing those nonearning assets. We have continued to see a conversion of FDIC loss-share receivables -- reimbursement receivables into cash. We'll continue to get those certificates funded from the FDIC. I think in the second quarter particularly, we'll get the full impact of the $50 million borrowing that repaid, basically, the last day of March. So we got basically no benefit from that in the first quarter. With the -- unwind on the home loan bank strategy, we did -- where we sold the bonds and repaid the advances, that's another $24 million in borrowings that we won't have in the second quarter. And we have -- although not reflecting completely for the first quarter numbers, we have brought our cash down significantly, down to target levels, and so we should realize the benefit of the redeployment of that cash. And one other point, mentioning the liability side, the CD repricing, we do surprisingly continue to benefit on CD repricing about 50 basis points from what is repricing. When we look at what's repricing over the next 90 days versus what we are -- what our new and renewed CD rates are, about 50 basis points improvement there, although that's primarily offsetting the decline on the loan yields. I think again, just margin flat, but net interest income continuing to improve throughout the course of the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Rose of Raymond James.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Just a follow-up to the fee income and expense questions from Kevin. As I look at the wealth management income, it was up obviously pretty nicely this quarter. How much of the sequential increase in expenses was kind of tied to that in salaries expense?

E. McGraw

Analyst

Are you talking specifically to the wealth management?.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Yes. I mean, was there operating leverage in the wealth management business or did you see a commensurate increase in salaries expense with the growth in trust income.

E. McGraw

Analyst

Yes. In salaries, you are going to see a little bit of a lift, some from trust but also in mortgage. It being commission based, you are going to see a little bit of lift, particularly if you look at our mortgage income compared to prior years. As it relates to the trust, if you look at that $1.5 million run rate from the fourth quarter, in the first quarter, we had $1.9 million. We did have -- we have the receivable that we were able to collect on that came from the acquisition, so that receivable is roughly $300,000. That will not be -- we will not have that run rate in future periods.

Michael Rose

Analyst

Okay. So it would be closer to the $1.5 million then is kind of what you're saying.

E. McGraw

Analyst

Yes.

Michael Rose

Analyst

And then kind of -- what's the outlook there in kind of expanding the trust business, and kind of where do you stand now that you've had a couple of months behind you since the acquisition?

Claude Springfield

Analyst

Actually, in both Mississippi market and the Alabama Georgia markets, we are in fact seeing new trust income coming in as we bring in new accounts in both areas. We've expanded the Mississippi to our Columbus and Starkville markets with hiring of some trust professionals in those markets. And we're beginning to see quite a bit of assets under management moving in those markets. In addition to that, prior to our acquisition of the RBC division, they basically were kept from expanding their assets under management there, and they've been out bringing in new business in those markets too. So not only in the RBC acquisition, but we should see additional income revenue coming in from that trust and investment area across our system.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Okay. And then if I can just on a separate topic, one final question. Obviously, loan growth is picking up a little bit here for you guys and credit is improving. So how should we think about the pace of provisioning in relation to charge-offs? I mean, would we actually expect to see you provision for growth or would you actually expect to see more reserve release as the credit improves over the next couple of quarters?

E. McGraw

Analyst

I think what you will be seeing is we feel like our charge-offs will be on a decline during the course of the year. I think we'll be more heavily weighted in charge-offs the first half of the year than the second half of the year. We will, in fact, obviously continue to provide for loan growth. And you should see or continue to see a gradual decline in provision. We're not going to have a huge reserve release at any point in time, I don't believe, but you'll continue to see a gradual as we're continuing to be very conservative as we look at the future. We're pleased to have seen our coverage ratio almost double over the past 12 months, and so we want to be able to continue to keep that at a pretty good level, but we will, based on the loan growth we anticipate, continue to provide for the new loans more so than for problem credits, I guess would be the best way to say it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Bishop with Stifel, Nicolaus.

David Bishop

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

So far during the earnings season, you have heard a lot of your competitors sort of bemoan the fact that some of the super regionals are sort of diving down for some of the more prime credits on the commercial side there. I'm just wondering if you could maybe give us an update on what you're seeing on loan yields on your legacy portfolio versus the cover portfolio and how the pipeline is looking across your various markets?

E. McGraw

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

Well, talk a little bit about pipelines, Mitch, you want to mention pipelines and then we'll give you a little rundown on the roll-in rates on new loans?

Mitchell Waycaster

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

Sure, Dave. Currently in the 30-day pipeline, we have $48 million. And if you break that down by state, 34% of that would be in Alabama, 14% in Georgia, 23% in Tennessee and 29% in Mississippi.

E. McGraw

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

And talking about loan rates as we look at our roll-in levels. Stuart?

Stuart Johnson

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

Yes. What we're seeing, and this is both blended on a fixed and variable basis, we're seeing roll-in rates in the 480s on a composite basis. Obviously, fixed rate has been higher and durable but on a blended basis, that's about what we're seeing. We are seeing competition certainly in some of the Metropolitan areas more aggressively than some of the less urban areas.

E. McGraw

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

Basically, Dave, we're seeing in Tennessee, still competitive -- actually Nashville had net loan growth this quarter. Memphis was down a bit. They had about $8 million of loans paid off for other banks, but in Memphis especially, we've seen cash-rich customers coming in and paying down their lines. We saw about $4 million or $5 million of lines paid down in Memphis due to excess cash there. I'm going to let Mike Ross talk a little bit about Alabama and Georgia.

Michael Ross

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

In terms of loan yields, we're seeing -- we're certainly seeing pricing pressure. However, a lot of the business that we are getting is -- in the commercial and industrial area is more relationship driven. And with a lot of our new bankers that we have added to our teams, they have long relationships with customers that are not nearly as price sensitive as they are relationship oriented, and so we're seeing nice growth from those areas. And frankly, as we're looking on our pipelines, we don't see that trend. We don't see that trend changing certainly in the foreseeable future.

David Bishop

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

Is there any sort of like a commonality in terms of the types of borrowers that are starting to draw down lines or seeking out for loans? I mean, you mentioned Memphis having some improvement there, anything happening I guess just specifically to those markets in terms of the economic environment? Or is it the low-cost environment that's enticing borrowers off the sidelines? Any sort of commonality you're seeing?

E. McGraw

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus.

We are seeing the economy improve in Tennessee, and I think we're seeing it improve in all of our states quite frankly. I think this is evidenced by the movement we're seeing in our OREO portfolio, and also in our development loans, we're seeing a lot of lot sales and pick up in those areas also. So we are feeling some improvement across the 4 state region that we're in. And I believe that has a bearing on some of the -- with the low rate environment we're in, we're finding a lot of our customers are deciding that, "I can't do anything with the cash so might as well pay down my loans."

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Olney of Stephens.

Matt Olney

Analyst

Robin, the bank has been pretty active in hiring new lenders over the last few years, core markets, newer markets, all over your footprint. Do you think the bank is now at a point where you want to kind of pause and see some more production out of these new teams? Or would you say you're still out there hitting the pavements and looking for new lenders in some of your markets today?

E. McGraw

Analyst

Well, a combination, Matt. We're looking for -- in a lot of our markets, we're replacing -- what we're seeing happen is, as our credit situation improves, we're seeing a lot of our workout people, some of whom were seeing C&D-type lenders, moving out and we're seeing more relationship managers coming in. So that's not -- that's more of a replacement into a producer because we're not looking for construction -- I mean, development-type lenders right now. So in that particular case, it's through attrition we're replacing in. And for the most part, we'll see that in our existing markets. Obviously, if an opportunity presents itself for a similar type of situation as to what we've had in some other markets, we'll take advantage of it. We've been more in a position where we've been sought out than we're out just actually looking. So we're -- obviously, we'll take advantage of any opportunities as they present themselves on relationship managers in or outside of our markets. But as we look within, it would be more of a replacement-type situation with a producer as opposed to someone whom in the past is -- or the last few years has been working on the work outside.

Matt Olney

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And then this is a follow-up on the credit side. I may have missed this, but did you give us an update on the current balance of the TDRs as of March 31?

E. McGraw

Analyst

Sure. Corky will give you that.

Claude Springfield

Analyst

Matt, our TDRs are virtually flat from the prior quarter. We showed a balance at the end of first quarter of about $35.7 million, and this was down from $36.3 million the prior quarter.

E. McGraw

Analyst

These are all accruing and are performing. I don't think they're any -- over 30 days past due in that group.

Claude Springfield

Analyst

Oh, there were none.

E. McGraw

Analyst

There were none past due.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kevin Reynolds of Wunderlich Securities.

Kevin Reynolds

Analyst

I think you've touched on loan demand by region and all that, but can you maybe talk a little bit about your outlook for acquisitions. And I apologize if you already have to some extent, but -- again, I called a little bit late. But if you look across your footprint, where do you think there might be opportunities down the line to pick up additional pieces of franchise at the margin? And then I've got a follow-up question about the local conditions in and around Memphis.

E. McGraw

Analyst

Okay. We, obviously, we would be interested in either open or FDIC-assisted opportunities across our 4 state region. We're obviously like a lot of others. Receiving inbound calls, most of which we don't follow up on. And we're still looking to see if, in fact, there will be some opportunities on the FDIC-assisted side, although those have become very competitive at this stage of the game. So we do think that there will be, over the next 6 to 18 months, opportunities that will present themselves on the open side.

Kevin Reynolds

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess a question on the local conditions around here in Memphis and North Mississippi, DeSoto County, I know that actually over the past several quarters, if you've been tracking the unified school system battle in Memphis or what that would -- may or may not mean. But if you're recently seeing sort up 100% sales volumes in some of the municipalities, at some point, does that -- do you think that does spill over into a DeSoto County and as people move from Shelby County down there to avoid the school system situation? And what do you think that does to sort of the inventories down there?

E. McGraw

Analyst

We're starting to feel a trickle down there, and I guess trickle would be the best word for it. We're very pleased with what we're seeing in Memphis right now, which has been a very pleasant change on a year-over-year basis. But we are beginning to see just a little trickle-down effect into DeSoto County. So in answering your question, I think that, that will accelerate as time goes on based on the school situation that you mentioned.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And having no further questions, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. McGraw for any closing remarks.

E. McGraw

Analyst

Thank you, Emily. We appreciate everyone's time and interest in Renasant Corp. and look forward to speaking with each of you again in the future. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.