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RingCentral, Inc. (RNG)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Mon, Feb 12, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the RingCentral Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Paul Thomas. Thank you. You may begin.

Paul Thomas

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to RingCentral's fourth quarter and full year 2017 earnings conference call. I'm Paul Thomas, RingCentral's Senior Director of Investor Relations. Joining me today are: Vlad Shmunis, Founder, Chairman and CEO; Dave Sipes, Chief Operating Officer; and Mitesh Dhruv, Chief Financial Officer. Our format today will include prepared remarks, by Vlad, Dave and Mitesh followed by Q&A. Some of our discussions and responses to your questions will contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from our forward-looking statements. A discussion of the risks and uncertainties related to our business is contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and is incorporated by reference into today's discussion. RingCentral assumes no obligation and does not intend to update or comment on forward-looking statements made on this call. I encourage you to visit our Investor Relations webpage at ir.ringcentral.com to access our earnings release, slide deck, comparisons of historical results under 605 and 606 accounting standards, our non-GAAP to GAAP reconciliations, our periodic SEC reports, a webcast replay of today's call and to learn more about RingCentral. For certain forward-looking guidance, a reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial guidance to corresponding GAAP measure is not available as discussed in detail on the slide deck posted on our Investor Relations website. With that, let me turn the call over to Vlad.

Vlad Shmunis

Analyst

Good afternoon and thank you for joining our fourth quarter and full year earnings conference call. Our fourth quarter was an outstanding finish to a great year for RingCentral. We extended our reach in the market. Businesses are increasingly taking advantage of our industry leading cloud communication and collaboration solution. Let me begin by covering some of the key highlights for the last quarter and the year. First, total revenues for the fourth quarter grew to $141 million. This is a 34% year-over-year increase and is above the high-end of our guidance range. Total revenues for the full year 2017 were $502 million and 32% year-over-year growth. Growth in the $0.5 billion revenue mark is a significant milestone for software as a services company. Second, the growth in our core subscription business excluding the impact of AT&T continue to excel. In Q4 our core subscription revenue of about $115 million grew 36% year-over-year, up from 28% in Q4 of last year. Third, our mid-market and enterprise business continue to lead the way. We define mid-market and enterprise as 50 seats or greater. It is now a $178 million annualized business. It grew 76% year-over-year and contributed over 55% to our new office business in the quarter, up from 50% in the previous quarter. Fourth, this quarter we closed a record 15 deals with over $1 million in total contract value. This is up from 10 deals in the previous quarter and five deals a year ago. This will highlight the significant progress we have made last year with enterprise customers. Fifth, as the market positions from on-premise solutions to the cloud, channel partners are increasingly gravitating towards cloud providers. We’re benefiting from the shift. Our channel partners capped of the year by delivering another stellar quarter growth. For the 7th…

Dave Sipes

Analyst

Thank you, Vlad for highlight the success, we had in the quarter and the year. The momentum we are seeing spans across all segments especially in the mid-market and enterprise. This was a result of our commitments to innovation and customer success. To that end in Q4, we completed our previously stated goal of establishing local enterprise salesforce presence in major cities across the U.S., Canada and the UK. But this is just the start of [indiscernible] expansion. The $15 million plus TCV deals that Vlad mentioned demonstrates the success we are experiencing in this segment. We will continue to aggressively grow our enterprise direct sales presence to capture the large cloud opportunity at hand and to further cement our market leadership. We are winning with our integrated communication collaboration and contact center solutions which are differentiated by our mobile first user experience open platform and global coverage. Our market leading product suite helped us close numerous significant deals in the quarter. Let me give you some color on just a few of our wins. Our global presence continues to grow. I’ll start with the 7 figure deal we won with Ladbrokes Coral, the largest provider of betting and gaming services in the UK. Ladbrokes Coral was migrating off their legacy platforms and was looking for a best-in-class cloud-based solution. What set RingCentral apart from the competition was our tight integrations with Google and Salesforce and ability to scale up to 1000s of locations quickly and easily. When fully deployed Ladbrokes Coral will have 6,000 users. Our integrated contract center continue to be a strategic differentiator for us. It has helped us win significant deals during the quarter including 6 of our million dollar plus TCV deals. For example in Q4 a leading healthcare technology service provider wanted to replace…

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst

Thanks Dave and good afternoon everyone. On the call today, I will cover key financial results, go drivers, the impact of ASC 606 and guidance for 2018. Our Q4 and fiscal 2017 results are under the historical 605 accounting standard. Guidance for 2018 will be under ASC 606. We are adopting 606 starting January 1 2018 under the full retrospective method and as provided comparative numbers for 2016 and 2017 in the earnings that posted on our IR website. In addition, unless otherwise indicated, all measures that follow are non-GAAP with the year-over-year comparisons. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP results was provided with our earnings press release and in the earnings deck. With that, let me move on to our results. We are very pleased with our ability to won again exceed the expectations across all of our key financial metrics during the quarter. We delivered total revenue and EPS above the high-end of our guidance range. In Q4, our subscription revenue grew 32% year-over-year to $130 million. Normalizing for the impact of AT&T our core subscription revenue growth rate was 36% up from 28% in Q4 of last year. More historical data on our core growth trends is contained in our earnings slide deck. Total annualized recurring subscription or ARR grew to $546 million up 32% year-over-year and 6% sequentially. ARR for RingCentral Office grew to $466 million up 36% year-over-year and 7% sequentially. In the first quarter of 2018, we anticipate our total ARR to increase in the range of 6% to 7% sequentially. This is in line with historical trends although had a much higher level of revenue. As Vlad mentioned, the key growth driver for RingCentral continues to be our expansion to mid-market and enterprise customers, supported by momentum and channel. This expansion has multiple…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Bhavan Suri of William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Hey guys can you hear me okay?

Dave Sipes

Analyst

Yes. We can.

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Great, great, congrats that was a phenomenal quarter between the reacceleration and the 15 deals over a million dollars, just a fantastic job, so well done from me. I guess, my first question maybe to Mitesh and then Dave maybe can chime in too. But if you think about the acceleration both in bookings and then also in revenue, just unpack what the drivers are, you’re touching a bunch of things, partner sales people, but if you sort to think about a trend on what’s driving the acceleration, I want to just understand how would you unpack that into some of the key drivers of the business?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst

Sure Bhavan, it’s Mitesh, I’ll take that. So, thank you for the congratulations. We were very pleased at seeing our core growth accelerate to 36% up from 28% last year. So that’s good. If you look at the drivers to unpack the acceleration, there are really two core drivers. Number one is, the secular trends, the clouds gaining momentum and it’s lifting all boats. And the on-premise legacy vendors continue to be share donors, so that’s a trend number one. Second, is more differentiation on our end which is our execution and in that, I would say our investments in the mid-market and the enterprise segment along with the channels are really starting to pay off. Our mid-market and enterprise business is now over $175 million business as we said which is growing over 75%. Within that 50% of our mid-market enterprise is actually enterprise business. So it's about $85 million business which is growing more than 100%. In channels, they continue to perform really well. The bookings doubled again year-over-year for the seventh quarter in a row. And what's happening as a result of this shift to larger customers, our net retention in that segment is now north of 130% annually. So all these trends now are working together driving -- creating a flywheel effect for us driving very strong bookings which led to the acceleration.

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Great. And then a quick follow up here. Just on some of the trends the legacy guys might do, so obviously you've sort of seen the Cisco Boradsoft thing and I guess the question is, are you seeing them think about cloud themselves or are you sort of and maybe Vlad can jump in on this one. But are you seeing sort of service providers try and host sort of a cloud offering for enterprise guys using Cisco Avaya sort of like a third-party hosted model. Do you run into that at all and sort of what are you seeing out there sort of – from that sort of enterprise guys trying to compete as you start to encroach on some of Cisco's larger customers and the Avaya base?

Vlad Shmunis

Analyst

Yes. Hi, Bhavan. So if I understand the question. The question was about service providers trying to compete using the hosted model, correct?

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Yes.

Vlad Shmunis

Analyst

Yes. Look they've been at it for a while. Most of them have license from Broadsoft which is exactly that model. They're hosting somebody else's stack and by and large, I would say that that effort has not been particularly successful. Again, numbers speak for themselves, you can see our rate of growth, now a $0.5 billion dollar recurring revenue number. And to our knowledge at least there is not a service provider anywhere out there with anything like that type of growth or even that type of base to speak to. And the reason for that is that just calling something cloud does not make it cloud. There is a very big difference between hosted software which is what they're all doing and true cloud which is a true global multi-tenant architecture and to make it -- to put it as simple as I can the big difference is really in the rate of innovation whereby a cloud provider like ourselves we have multiple releases per year and literally constant stream of updates. Okay? And if you look at all of the industry leaders from other industries look at your Salesforce, look at Workday, Netsuite, even go outside your Facebooks and Twitters, all of us are engaged in this continuous innovation and continuous improvement. And if you look at software providers like Broadsoft now, Cisco innovation cycle on the good days maybe two years. You simply cannot compete. And this is why cloud is winning. The numbers are very clear.

Bhavan Suri

Analyst

Nice job. Thanks guys and congrats again.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Terry Tillman of SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question.

Terry Tillman

Analyst · your question.

Hey gentlemen can you hear me?

Paul Thomas

Analyst · your question.

Yes. We can hear you.

Terry Tillman

Analyst · your question.

I'll echo Bhavan's congratulations. And I really like seeing that 130% plus year-over-year net revenue retention rate that was exceptional. My two questions. First question actually maybe Mitesh for you. Could you talk about what's involved economics wise and the strategy behind acquiring the AT&T related RingCentral business? And what kind of impact will be in the financial model whether it's revenue, expenses, cost of service et cetera?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure, Terry. I'll take that. So just for background of people who may not have followed us for a long time. AT&T was a reseller of RingCentral for last several years. Couple of years ago, AT&T decided to take -- develop their own or sell - resell Broadsoft solution. And we've been -- we've stated that for a while. And as a result bookings of our product through AT&T last year have been virtually non-existent again this was well-flagged. So then the open question became what happens to the installed base. That was the biggest open question. And to that end, AT&T and RingCentral mutually decided that the best thing in the interest of the customers to serve them well was to transition these customers to RingCentral. That removed the major overhang from at least the Wall Street perspective that what was going to happen to the installed base. I will tell you that early days. But migration has started and we are seeing good indication of what the overall installed base is going to look like once they migrate. So early positive indications. To your question on what's baked into the guidance and the financial model impact, we've actually taken more of a conservative posture there Terry as usual. We've actually assumed churn rate similar to last year. And then, we've assumed some onetime incremental churn for migration as well as no new business from AT&T this year. You can see all that is dialed into our guidance for 2018 which is about 27% total revenue. And then you can see that the core revenue guide is over 30%.

Terry Tillman

Analyst · your question.

Awesome. Thank you. And then my -- go ahead sorry. Go ahead.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

I was just going to say from a revenue accounting point of view there's no change to revrec which is what you asked because AT&T's revenue was recognized on a P&L much like any other channel partner.

Terry Tillman

Analyst · your question.

Okay. That's good to know. And my follow up question just relates to contact center. I think Dave maybe you had talked about the integral nature and the importance of that in some of those large TCV deals. I know you all get a big lift on a per seat basis when you sell contact center. Can you quantify maybe -- I don't know who this question for but could you quantify how much of the business now is contact center? And going forward how important that is in these larger million dollar plus TCVs? Thank you and a great job.

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

Yes. It's Dave. I think we stated of our 15 large deals -- million dollar plus TCV deals, 6 of those incorporated contact center and our couple largest incorporated contact center including the $7 million TCV deal. And it becomes an important opportunity for us, it's our closest adjacency. We know the ARPUs are 4x typically UCaaS. So a smaller number of contact center seats contribute disproportionately large to revenue. We know our integration provides an enterprise class contact center is best in class Magic Quadrant wise. And it's still early days for us but we continue to grow it even faster than the rest of the business. And we see in traditional players contact center is made up anywhere from 20% to 60% of revenues for a UCaaS contact center company. So I think that's our long-term opportunity.

Terry Tillman

Analyst · your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from John DiFucci of Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Julian Serafini

Analyst · your question.

Hi. This is Julian Serafini on for John DiFucci. I had two questions. I guess the first one is relating to Avaya's that we saw Avaya exit bankruptcy this year. And we saw them announce the acquisition of a cloud contact center vendor. Have you seen any I guess change in your ability to win any business from legacy Avaya customer since they exited the bankruptcy and I presume we're in a more - and they're in a more financially sound position now?

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

Yes. This is Dave. And I think the macro trends that contributed them going into bankruptcy are still there in spades and the secular trends that cloud just continues. We see a greater willingness of customers to leave legacy providers and move to pure cloud solutions. And we've also seen that in the channel partners are seeing that with the customers and why we've been able to add so many channel partners both ex-Avaya partners as well as other legacy providers. So the overall trends that have been occurring, we see continuing to occur, we don't see any significant difference as of yet in the competitive environment.

Julian Serafini

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Thanks. I guess second question I want to ask to is, just want to touch on international quickly. Can you give us I guess a bit more of an update I guess into your international efforts? And would you be willing to guess to quantify like how much of your total business today is international in general like a sense of like when you think international becomes like a meaningful contributors to your result going forward?

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

The International we got there initially because the customers were asking us. And we expanded our global office offering and now we are covering 37 countries around the world. And we also announced the opening of currency in country purchasing of 13 European countries last year. We saw that large deal Ladbrokes code deal with 6000 users was a U.K. deal. And as we've expanded our enterprise sales force we've expanded that aggressively in the U.K. and are starting to expand that into Western Europe. So it's continuing to grow at a high rate higher than the rest of the business. So we'll continue to add incrementally to the overall story.

Julian Serafini

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Meta Marshall of Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Meta Marshall

Analyst · your question.

Great. Thanks. Graduations guys. A couple of questions for me. As you look to kind of the areas where you plan to invest in the next year, will this be focused more on kind of continuing to grow the international footprint. Will it be working on different contact center functionalities or working on integration because a sense of kind of the direction of the increase in OpEx over the year. The second, Mitesh, I might have missed this, is there any change to kind of margin or sales and marketing that we should consider with the change in AT&T moving that business over to your -- fully to you guys. And then, third if I could, just on the larger deals or kind of the million dollar deals how many of those 15 were brought in by the channel versus direct sales?

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

Sure. I'll take the first and third and let Mitesh address the AT&T. I think you are asking in 2018 where do we see our incremental investment. And from a sales and marketing perspective we continue to see very strong opportunity in mid-market and enterprise and continued expansion of those sales teams both in North America as well as international and also continued opportunity in selling contact center as our closest adjacency. So those will be some of the key areas. On the million dollar deals, we have the 15 --12 of the 15 were associated with the channel. And so they -- and I think overall for the business channel contributed more than 35% of our new bookings.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

And Meta on the AT&T. Again I said, as I mentioned earlier to Terry. No change changes to revenue accounting on the P&L, revenue is the same. And sales and marketing it's already dialed into operating margin guidance.

Meta Marshall

Analyst · your question.

Okay. But, was there any like how much of the -- like is there an uplift from having that business on your income statement versus commissions you are paid for AT&T?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure. I mean there was a rev share which sort of goes away. I'm not going to go into exact details because of the nature of the contract. But, yes, there was a uplift in that and then we are reinvesting that in the direct business as well as nurturing the AT&T installed base.

Meta Marshall

Analyst · your question.

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Nikolay Beliov of Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question.

Nikolay Beliov

Analyst · your question.

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. And just start like with my congrats on great performance here. My first question is around the [indiscernible] you can double click on the channel, the size of the channel is excluding AT&T telco versus other channel. And then, all the channel like the 2x increased your -- impact the business model?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure Nikolay. So channel again like Dave said has been a key growth vector for us, 80% of the million dollar TCV deal came from the channel. In terms of the size of the channel business -- it's actually pretty -- it's getting pretty sizable, it's about $100 million business that's doubling year-over-year. And if you look at the impacts to the business models, there are several positive impacts to the business model because of the channel. Number one is the marketing costs of our leads through the channels are lower because there's not much a lead gen required. The challenge is being at the deal. So that money can be redeployed to fuel the fire on our direct sales efforts because the channels prefer or as a dual model. So that's impact number one which is lower costs upfront. Impact number two is, lower gross churn and higher net retention because the channel is on the -- ready to pay as you go model that the channel partners are incentivized to keep the hold under the customers as long as they want -- as long as they can. And the channels get -- the customers get served really well. So it's a win-win-win for us. The channels and the customers, which then helps our gross churn. In fact, if you look at the gross churn percentage, the gross churn from channels is about 40% to 50% lower than the overall direct gross churn. So that's the gross churn impact. And because the channels are mostly up market driven they actually also held the network engine. So net-net I think it -- there are several positive benefits for the channel and they are here stay.

Nikolay Beliov

Analyst · your question.

And my second question is permutation and David when you look at sales and marketing efficiency over the last year and going into 2018, clearly what you just said some of that apply to that. How would you characterize sales and marketing efficiency and some of the metrics underlying that sales attrition, sales productivity and like the tweak you may go into 2018 to keep up the momentum in mid-market and enterprise. Thank you.

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

Yes. This is David. On the sales and marketing efficiency when we look at that relative to the new business we're bringing in, we've had positive trends in each segment and probably as you know early on as we invest in enterprise, we see significant [indiscernible] as that group starts maturing more over time with having more fully productive reps as it takes about approximately about a year to ramp up fully in that group. So those have been positive trends for us. The channel obviously also contributes by providing lower initial cost up front cost on a sales marketing basis.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from George Sutton of Craig-Hallum. Please proceed with your question.

George Sutton

Analyst

Thank you. The question for David. With the growth in your major city strategy along with the channel and inside sales, I'm just curious how much does -- how much of the opportunity set you feel like you're seeing today relative to what you might have seen a year ago. And I'm curious as an aside to that from Mitesh what -- at what point do we start to get leverage from the sales and marketing costs?

Dave Sipes

Analyst

Yes. This is David. So one the fact that we just built our enterprise team over the last year and a half has gotten assumed to a lot more deals. Additionally, the channel is helping us do that also. Are we seeing every deal? We're not seeing every deal there's still opportunity for increased coverage. We know several of the legacy providers in this category have had very large enterprise sales teams and that's still a big opportunity for us as the customers are becoming more willing and the secular nature of the cloud movement is increasing. So I think were still early days in capturing a big opportunity.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst

And on the sales and marketing efficiency, George it is what Dave said actually that we are in the early days of capturing this opportunity. If you look at the underlying sales and marketing leverage, we are seeing a lot of leverage across all segments. Our productivity across each segment is getting better, but what we are not seeing in the P&L is that those dollars are getting reinvested to build out Dave's -- sales force, which is the large opportunity ahead of us. So I think underlying under the hood, there's a lot of leverage in the business model and overall as the business model matures and the sales force ramps across each segment, you just start to see some leverage over time as we step up to a billion dollars, but ultimately we may choose to invest those dollars as we are doing this year.

George Sutton

Analyst

Okay. Just one other thing if I could. Why would AT&T agreed to this change or they deserve a payment that goes to AT&T to transfer these customers over. Just curious about the motivation?

Dave Sipes

Analyst

Yes. This is David. The primary motivation was to do what was best for the customers. And I think that drove all the discussion and ultimately when we looked at the options together we felt like this was the best option to move those customers to RingCentral office. So that was the primary driver of the deal. And then Mitesh, do you want to talk about anything?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst

Economics look we have not disclosed economics it will be available in our public filings. But just to frame the discussion, we paid AT&T a fair price in the low tens of millions of dollars.

George Sutton

Analyst

All right. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Peterson of Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Peterson

Analyst · your question.

Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on the quarter. So Mitesh you mentioned the 130% net retention numbers in the enterprise, is there anyway you can deconstruct that a bit maybe what are the drivers, it's just a really big number.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure, Brian. So the net retention for the mid-market and enterprise customers was 130% for the year. Basically it's driven by our move to larger customers and it drives to two different vectors. One is the gross churn for these larger customers is much lower than the downmarket customer. The gross churn for our up market customer is less than half of the downmarket customers. And it's about in the low to mid single digits annually. So that's number one and number two is, these larger customers drive land and expand about 40 percent of our new business came from existing business which is land and expand. About 40% of our new business came from existing business, which is land and expand this quarter. And within land and expand, we now have with our product portfolio and global expansion, we can drive land and expand in 3 flavors. One is going after other divisions with natural augmentation of employee seat count. Number two is our global footprint. Dave mentioned we are in 37 countries now. So that's an expansion factor. And the third is, with the whole product portfolio we have with contact center and zoom rooms replaced tele-presence. We replaced -- we also get a bite of the apple in terms of products. So all these three vectors of upsell and cross-sell along with lower gross churn led to this net retention number of 130%.

Brian Peterson

Analyst · your question.

Understood. Congrats guys.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sterling Auty of JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Sterling Auty

Analyst · your question.

Hi. Thanks. On the AT&T base that's coming over I missed it if you said it. Can you quantify in some forward fashion how big that base of customers actually is?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure, Sterling. It's going to be available. It's about north of $50 million of installed base

Sterling Auty

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And is there a sense, I imagine they've not been given a heavy upsell in the last two years. Is that correct? And any early evidence on those that are coming over maybe a willingness to buy more?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure. I will take the first part and maybe I have Dave chime in. So yes, you're absolutely right. They were on AT&T's ticket. So that we've not seen any meaningful upsell in fact -- they have been churning at call at the high teens annually and that's what we have dialed in to the guidance Sterling, in fact a little bit more conservative than that even. In terms of upsell opportunities. Sure there are upsell opportunities because now these customers get to have a shot at our fourth product portfolio with contact center global expansion. Early days though. We've just started the migration, so early indications are positive but too early to take it to the bank.

Sterling Auty

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And one follow up just wondering as you look at the two customer segments how would you characterize the trends in customer acquisition cost. I know we talk a lot about the made in enterprise piece but kind of curious what's happening in terms of the trends of customer acquisition cost in the core SMB part of the business?

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

Yes. This is David. I think we talked about this sales and marketing inefficiencies in all segments as continued to improve overall. So we see flat to improving and in all those segments -- in the upper segments as we've mature the sales force that's probably a quicker improvement than we see in the small business. But there has been positive trends throughout.

Sterling Auty

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Heather Bellini of Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · your question.

Hi. This is John on the line for Heather. I've some of the answer on the [indiscernible] of an existing accounts. How much of this is due growth itself and how much of that could be attributed to expanding SKUs within those customers? And as a follow up clarification point, are these 15 deals -- 15, $1 million were some of them is higher customers that have now sort of crossed that $1 million threshold of these new account? Thanks a lot.

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

So, this is Dave. I'll take the second part and the second part was of the 15 million dollar TCV deals how much was $15 million TCV deals, how much was upsell into existing customers versus maybe net new logos. So, we had of the 15, 13 were net new logos. And now combine that with the fact that 40% of the bookings were upsell, these types of deals are really seating future growth for us in the business. So, we're pretty happy with the acquisition activity that we're achieving in the market.

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

And in terms of the second question, the upsell mix between seats and product, right now it's more heavily, heavier weighted towards the seat and the product remains an opportunity for us.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · your question.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Latimore of Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · your question.

Great. Yes. And congratulations that was great. In terms of the 13 net new deals, these enterprise deals, what percent of the total opportunity are they initially booking, obviously that lead to future upsell potential there?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure, Mike it's, I'll give you a ballpark. It's about, I would say between 15% to 20% of the overall opportunity is the way to frame the initial purchase.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · your question.

Okay great. And then with the rate to the AT&T based, what does the end customer see as the base we just, your name a bill or versus the AT&T, what are they doing to see?

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

So traditionally it's been RingCentral Office@Hand by AT&T and now it's, as it transitions it will become RingCentral Office.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · your question.

So it's a real change they are going to experience?

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

That's the brand change and then the billing will switch from AT&T when its RingCentral Office@Hand which is currently AT&T bill to RingCentral bill on RingCentral Office.

Michael Latimore

Analyst · your question.

Okay, fair. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Samad Samana of Stephens Inc. please proceed with your question.

Samad Samana

Analyst · your question.

Hi congrats on a great quarter and thanks for taking my questions. First, the company in the past has talked about ramping channel partners themselves that you are tracking over from via channel based and some other competitors. I'm curious if you could give us an idea of how fully ramped up you feel like your partner basis and how much from here is to drive increased productivity and add to that partner channel and then Mitesh I have a follow-up for you.

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

Hi, this is Dave. On the channel group in ramping up our partners, this was the 7th consecutive quarter of greater than 100% year-over-year in bookings growth. And channel contributed to a large number of those large deals as well as our largest, as well as the $7 million TCV deal. So, definitely a key contributor, we do see further opportunities as these partners ramp up we continue to sign new partners and we've moved maybe more from the master agents to more of a national partners that control their own sales forces and have traditionally sold more legacy services. So there has been a kind of the newer part of who are signing up and those will ramp in over the next 12 to 18 months. So there is still a long, fairly way of ramp up period that we see coming.

Samad Samana

Analyst · your question.

Okay and then Mitesh, the stock-based compensation guidance for the company its big year-over-year increase, I think you guided for around $70 million that's $42 million in 2017 that's a quite bid leap, I'm wondering if you can, did I miss something or can you just help me understand why the big jump year-over-year?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Sure, yes. It did jump from last year for a very simple reason that we in the bay area compete with the likes of Facebook and Google of the worlds for talent and if we benchmarked our stock-based compensation extensively across all SaaS peers and now they moved our compensation more in line with the SaaS peers at about 11%.

Samad Samana

Analyst · your question.

Got it, I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything that was driving that beyond an expensive bay area outcome. Thank you.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

You never missed anything from that, so yes it was the expense bay area of every 11.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Kees of Summit Research. Please proceed with your question.

Jonathan Kees

Analyst · your question.

Great, thanks for taking my question and I have my congrats. I wanted to ask specifically about your career channel, that's great that you provided some quantification for AT&T, in the past you've talked about BT and Tellison talked about it qualitatively, I'm just curious in terms of how they feared in the quarter and if you could talk about in more quantitative way that would be great?

Dave Sipes

Analyst · your question.

Hi this is Dave. Yes, both those partners we've had positive tractions with we continues to talk about new opportunities with both partners and expand our penetration into their sales teams and into additional segments within those organizations. So, say both trended in a positive manner and continues to be a part of our career channel business.

Jonathan Kees

Analyst · your question.

And then may I ask you this way, if I can, with the conclusion of the fiscal year any 10% customers, I mean if AT&T was we didn't purchase over their properties would they have been 10% customer?

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Hey Jonathan this is Mitesh, no they wouldn't have crossed 10% far from.

Jonathan Kees

Analyst · your question.

So you had no 10% customers.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

No, except excluding AT&T.

Jonathan Kees

Analyst · your question.

Excluding AT&T.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst · your question.

Yes.

Jonathan Kees

Analyst · your question.

Okay, all right great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [indiscernible] Dougherty & Co. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

[indiscernible] on Catharine Trebnick. Thanks. Just a couple of questions on your product line beyond Office, so wondering what you are seeing as far as demand for Glip and if you are seeing more success packaging there with Office for new customers also on to current customers, and then secondly kind of just thoughts on the intersection of UCaaS and CPaaS enter the new extension if you move into that market as you are seeing from some competitors?

Dave Sipes

Analyst

Yes. This is Dave here. So, I think the question was that the product suite, we see Glip as a key component of the overall product we're integrating at more thoroughly into Office. And it comes with every office seat that we saw. So its intrinsically integrated into the product and it helps with engagement and customer retention. And obviously we've had opportunities selling, monetizing other component such as contact center global office and our live reports, as well as meetings and rooms.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Will Power of Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Will Power

Analyst

Okay, yes great, thanks. Yes, I wanted to just focus on enterprise not surprisingly, I guess just if you think about the S&P how it could be, how should we think about, the growth opportunity there and what is that competitive landscape more because, it changed all more competitive, less competitive standard close, kind of looking for some frame of reference, because that piece of the business? And then Mitesh on the capital intensity, I think you said it would be up a little bit in 2018 to accommodate the enterprise growth you are seeing, is that kind of the new normal or is there anything kind of one time to that? Thanks.

Mitesh Dhruv

Analyst

Let me take the CapEx and I'll let Dave address the S&P part. On CapEx it's not the new normal as such, but at least its normal for 2018, we are expanding our sales footprint. So the drivers for CapEx are mostly our sales expansion and also some our global footprint expansion that drives CapEx for 2018, so for 2019 maybe it's 5.5, 6 points in the margin there.

Dave Sipes

Analyst

And then, on small business we continue to look at offerings for the small business, it's on some part of our business we have the premium offerings with our Glip product that we continue to push as opportunities for small business expansion. And that business doesn't grow, given the unsaturated nature of the enterprise segment that's growing significantly faster where the small business is probably close to around 20% growth.

Will Power

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached the end of our question and answer session. This concludes RingCentral's fourth quarter earnings conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. And have a wonderful day.