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Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Apr 26, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Q3 Fiscal Year 2016 ResMed Inc. Earnings Conference Call. My name is Andrew and I will your operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Agnes Lee, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Agnes you may begin.

Agnes Lee

Management

Thank you, Andrew and thank you for attending ResMed’s live webcast. Joining me on the call today are Mick Farrell, our CEO; and Brett Sandercock, our CFO. Other members of the management team will also be available during the Q&A portion of the call. If you have not had a chance to review the earnings release it can be found on our website at investors.resmed.com. I want to remind our listeners that our discussion today may include forward-looking statements, including but not limited to statements about future expectations, plans and prospects for the company, corporate strategy and performance. We believe these statements are based on reasonable assumptions but actual results may differ materially from those indicated. Important factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are detailed in the filings made by ResMed with the SEC. I will now hand the call over to Mick Farrell.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks Agnes and thank you to all of our shareholders for joining us today as we summarize our results for the third quarter of Fiscal Year 2016. We delivered solid global growth this quarter led by strong double-digit growth in the Americas region. We made progress executing on our respiratory care strategy by closing our acquisition of Inova Labs early in the quarter. We also made significant progress executing on our connected care strategy by closing our acquisition of Brightree on April 4. For the call today, I’ll first review our top and bottom-line results. I’ll then outline some regional highlights from our business, and finally, I’ll review our ResMed 2020 growth strategy. After that I will hand the call over to Brett to walk you through our financials in greater detail. We have seen strong ongoing success with our global leadership in connected care. For the seventh quarter in a row, our global team achieved market beating topline revenue growth. We exhibited continued strength in the Americas region with robust double-digit growth at 12% year-on-year. These results were fueled by the ongoing success of Air Solutions, our cloud based connected care software system, as well as the AirSense 10 and the AirCurve 10 medical device platforms. We achieved steady growth in our combined EMEA and APAC regions, despite the headwind for macroeconomic conditions in Europe. At the bottom line, our diluted earnings-per-share was $0.68 on a non-GAAP basis, which represents 5% year-on-year growth. We continue to balance solid revenue growth with ongoing investments in R&D innovation and our global focus on operating excellence. This quarter we gained operating leverage in SG&A keeping its growth well below our topline revenue growth. We are investing for the future, maintaining R&D spend at 6% to 7% of our topline revenue. These R&D…

Brett Sandercock

Management

Great. Thanks, Mick. Revenue for the March quarter was $453.9 million, an increase of 7% over the prior year quarter or in constant currency terms revenue increased by 9%. Movements in exchange rates, predominately a weaker euro relative to the U.S. dollar negatively impacted revenue by approximately $6.3 million in the third quarter. At a geographic level, overall sales in the Americas were $282.2 million, an increase of 12% over the prior year quarter. Sales in combined EMEA and Asia-Pacific totaled $171.7 million, consistent with the prior year quarter or in constant currency terms, sales in combined EME and Asia Pacific increased by 3% over the prior year quarter. Breaking out revenue between product segments, Americas device sales were $153.2 million, an increase of 15% over the prior year quarter. Masks and other sales were $129 million, an increase of 10% over the prior year quarter. As a reminder, our Inova sales are included with flow generators under the advised revenue category. The revenue in combined EMEA and Asia-Pacific device sales were $116.7 million, an increase of 1% over the prior year and in constant currency terms an increase of 3%. Masks and other sales were $55 million, a decrease of 1% over the prior year quarter or in constant currency terms, an increase of 3%. Globally in constant currency terms, device sales increased by 10% while masks and other increased by 7% over the prior year quarter. During the quarter, we incurred acquisition related expenses of $3.6 million associated with the Inova Labs and Brightree acquisitions. During the rest of my commentary today, I will refer to non-GAAP numbers. The non-GAAP measures exclude the impact of the acquisition related expenses as well as the amortization acquired in intangibles both in the current year and last year. We reconciled the…

Agnes Lee

Management

Thanks, Brett. We will now turn to Q&A and we ask everyone to limit themselves to one question and one follow-up question. If you have any additional questions after that, please get back into the queue. Andrew, we are now ready for the Q&A portion of the call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We’ll now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Ian Abbott from Goldman Sachs is online with a question.

Ian Abbott

Analyst

Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. My first question is on the gross margin, it certainly stepped down again this quarter, you did call out the impact of ASV. I am just wondering why that was particularly an impact this quarter given it would also have been an impact in the prior two quarters.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Ian. There is a number of factors as you know that go into gross margin. One of the impacts is that the ASV as you talked about. If you remember 12 months ago in March 2015, there was the American College of Cardiology and there was a lot of very positive press around heart failure with reduced ejection fraction and ASV, and we really saw those very high margin ASV products this time a year ago do incredibly well in the March quarter, and so we are annualizing if you like a steeper curve on ASV from a year ago and that headwind. And as I say the endpoint of that is the announcement is May 13, 2016 when we annualize that, so there will be six weeks in Q4 with that steep curve as well. That is one factor. Another factor impacting gross margin was the outperformance of our Americas team, which is lower than group margin but still very positive gross profit dollars but lower than group margin and the other impact was the outperformance of our flow generator line. So the AirSense 10, and the AirCurve 10, which were lower than group margins but very positive products as a platform together in flow generators and those were outperforming the market and outperforming the rest of the business and so had an impact on GM.

Ian Abbott

Analyst

Okay. And then as a follow-up, you also talk about average selling prices and that’s always a feature of the industry but if you could perhaps comment just on what you are seeing there both in the U.S. and also rest of the world.

Mick Farrell

Management

Yes, look, the pricing environment is pretty normal. As you know, Ian, about two years ago we stopped giving the quarterly update on year-on-year ASP adjustments, but it's really back to a pretty normal level. 18 or 20 months ago there was a bit of a step change but we are back to a pretty normal level on pricing. Another factor on GM that I didn't talk about was the acquisition of Inova which again a great product portable oxygen concentrators but closer to flow generator profit margin. And so there was two months of the three months of the quarter that we had sold Inova which had an impact on GM as well, but average prices are in a pretty stable environment both in the U.S. and in Europe.

Ian Abbott

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Ian.

Operator

Operator

Matt Taylor from Barclays is on the line with a question.

Matt Taylor

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking the question. I was wondering if you could help us understand the total impact of the various acquisitions in the quarter and any help with which pieces are going where; I’m trying to determine what they contributed versus what you are doing with the AirSense platform.

Mick Farrell

Management

Yes, that is a good question, Matt. Thanks. That will allow us to talk to organic growth and some of the acquisition growth. So as I mentioned just earlier, we had two months of Inova included in the quarter. We also had a full quarter of Curative, our acquisition in China. So when you combine the two months of Inova and the three months of Curative, it probably together contributed around 2% to global growth, so our 9% constant currency global growth was 7% organic and 2% acquisition driven. Those are broad estimates. Brett, do you want to provide any further color on that? Is that approximately right?

Brett Sandercock

Management

That’s spot on, Mick. It contributed around 2% to revenue growth this quarter.

Matt Taylor

Analyst

How intuitive is in both categories outside the U.S. and Inova is just [indiscernible]?

Mick Farrell

Management

Brett?

Brett Sandercock

Management

Yes, yes. Okay, thanks a lot, very helpful.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thank you, Matt.

Operator

Operator

Andrew Goodsall from UBS is on the line with a question.

Andrew Goodsall

Analyst

Sure, thanks very much. Could I just borrow down a little bit more there and sort of understand if we look at the U.S. flow generator growth with device growth 15%, just within that number what was organically acquired with the Inova?

Mick Farrell

Management

Yeah, thanks for the question Andrew. We really don’t want to sort of because we do give that sort of matrix of detail now within Americas and EMEA and APAC within flow gens and masks. We don’t want to break out the organic versus acquisition debt all the way down the matrix. I can tell you at a high level that the core growth, if we say the market is growing at mid-to high single digits in the sleep apnea markets if you like, we well outperformed that but I don't want to break the 15 out down by basis points because I think that starts to get us into a level of granularity that we just do not get from our competitors on public conference calls and it doesn’t really help our shareholders and driving long-term value but I appreciate the question.

Andrew Goodsall

Analyst

Okay. So if market is 6% to 8%, you are tracking above that level on your flow gens?

Mick Farrell

Management

Yes, we are significantly above that.

Andrew Goodsall

Analyst

Great, that's perfect. Thank you.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Operator

Margaret Kaczor with William Blair is on the line with a question.

Margaret Kaczor

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. Good morning, Brett. The first question maybe is on the U. S. side, obviously, we've seen some good durables strength you just talked about it, but you guys are facing a tougher comp as we go into the next few quarters. So, do you envision being able to keep up that double-digit range and just talk about the overall durability of the business. Thank you.

Mick Farrell

Management

Yeah, good question Margaret. Look, we do want to go into too much. We don’t give guidance. We don't want to go into too much detail. But look at a very high level, we think the Air Solutions Platform and what it has created – the ecosystem it has created is provided such value for our customers and not just the HME customers, but also for patients. We have 900 patients every day signing up to a patient application called myAir. So the value for the ecosystem is just so strong that we see that demand continuing. But we are realistic; we know that there are some big comps particularly on flow generators and particularly in the Americas for Q4 and Q1, but we have a very strong value proposition on that. Jim Hollingshead, President of the Americas, do want to give any further color on that?

Jim Hollingshead

Analyst

Sure. Thanks for the question, Margaret. We are seeing very robust growth in the flow gen platforms because of the solutions adoption. The AirSense and AirCurve 10 platforms are both superior products to anything on the market just as a flow generator to begin with, but we are seeing a lot of uptake of our solutions across many, many of our customers and we think that’s driving the persistent growth. We feel very confident in that.

Margaret Kaczor

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just to keep pushing on that a little bit, how is the sales process may be changed with your acquisition of Brightree, I know it’s kind of early days, but are you seeing your sales guys go into these accounts and sell Brightree, Inova and sleep apnea [ph] in one transaction and how should we expect that go-to-market strategy to change in year one, two and so on? Thank you.

Mick Farrell

Management

Yeah, thanks, Margaret. Well, there is a lot of aspects to that question. I will let Jim provide a little more color if it makes sense on the go-to-market, but at a high level what we are doing with the Inova acquisition, which we had two months as said of close of that in the quarter is we are working very carefully with our territory managers and our region managers and some specialists from the Inova team on portable oxygen concentrators. In a similar way that we have specialist on ventilation and other respiratory care products, we will have specialist sales force on portable oxygen concentrators. But the full portfolio is available to our whole sales team. And so what we really like to provide is a portfolio of solutions to our customers. There are different selling methodologies and selling cloud-based software that requires an infrastructure investment upfront and signing long-term contract such as Brightree interaction versus providing, say, faster turnaround items such as patient interface systems and masks. However, we have a good portfolio of people in our sales force that can do both the transactional and the long-term strategic sales as part of that. Jim, do you want to provide any further color on the go-to-market for the Brightree and Inova?

Jim Hollingshead

Analyst

I will comment, may not be further color, I will just say it’s work in progress. We’re a little bit further along with the planning for Inova Labs and how we integrate that. Brightree will continue to be a separate subsidiary, but you can imagine we really just closed both of those acquisitions, so we are working on that plan right now, Margaret.

Margaret Kaczor

Analyst

Thank you.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Margaret.

Operator

Operator

Will Dunlop from Merrill Lynch is on the line with a question.

Will Dunlop

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. You’ve given the contribution of acquisition to sales; are you able to give the contribution to profits or EBIT?

Brett Sandercock

Management

Thanks for the question. We really don’t want to drill down through the whole P&L. With regard to that, we will have an SEC document that we will provide before the end of the fiscal year. So this quarter that will outline the Brightree business in quite some detail, so you will see that in the coming months. But we really don’t want to sort of get into a quarterly reporting where we break down all the way through the P&L for these three acquisitions, but we are happy to provide that color at the top line that it is around 2% of global growth, so 9% total growth, 7% organic and 2% acquisition driven.

Will Dunlop

Analyst

Okay, thank you. And are you just able to give some color around what your U. S. customers are asking for in terms of price given that we are heading into the implementation of round two [indiscernible] and full round three price reduction as of July 1?

Mick Farrell

Management

Yeah, I will hand to Jim Hollingshead; he is closest to the U. S. business line.

Jim Hollingshead

Analyst

Yeah, we’ve been having those conversations for months with customers. I think that this year is a little bit different from FY2014 when CB2 hit for the first time. So the vast majority of our customers have anticipated what’s coming and we’ve been having pricing conversations with them for months. And so, this does hit their business and we are continuing to have the normal pricing conversations in that context.

Will Dunlop

Analyst

Thank you.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Will.

Operator

Operator

Mike Matson from Needham & Company is online with a question.

Mike Matson

Analyst

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. I guess I just wanted to ask about Brightree. I know there has been concern amongst the HME customer base around the data that you guys have access to through their cloud-based system, so I was just wondering, one, do you think that’s a risk, that they only need some of those customers and then they might choose to move to a different software provider? And two, is there a way that you can try to wall off that data and convince them that you are not going to use that to try to help your flow generator and masks sales?

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks for the question, Mike. The Brightree acquisition is really – when you think about it, it’s a huge investment that ResMed made, around 10% of our market cap we invested, $800 million in our HME customers in software that is purely focused on having cloud-based software applications that take laborious tasks like revenue cycle management, like inventory management, like clinical protocol management and physician signature management and automate those. And so, we think that instead of being owned by a venture capital firm being owned by a player who has a long-term 27-year history in its industry and plan to invest for the next 27 years in providing home medical equipment, but it's a really positive sign for our customers that it’s got strong financial backing and someone who really cares about it. We are excited about the hospice and we're excited about home health because those are the new channels that the Brightree acquisition brings. Have a lot of sleep disorder breathing and a lot of COPD and neuromuscular disease patients, so that we can roll back in to our HME customers. But look I got to tell you, I haven’t had as many conversations with Jim, but I have out of these last 2.5 plus months since we announced this acquisition been in a number of dinners and conversations with customers where I express what our goals are and what our plans are with Brightree and how we are going to invest to not only improve good quality to great quality, but ensure that we have even more efficiencies for them as a whole channel and our investment is to make sure more and more sleep apnea patients are able to be served by them has been received very positively. But, Jim, do want to talk a little bit more to the specifics of Mike’s question?

Jim Hollingshead

Analyst

Yeah, sure, it's a great question and we have had that question from customers, right. And I will say as a blanket statement to start, we are absolutely committed to putting in place appropriate protection for our customers’ business sensitive information. It’s very important to us that we do that, that’s how we work with our customers in general and that’s how we are as a company and so we are completely committed to that. But if I go broader and just say about the reaction of customers in the market, it has been more than two months since we announced that acquisition. And generally speaking, I think that the response from our customers has been very positive. And I think you can see in the Q3 results that if anything it’s impacted the business positively.

Mike Matson

Analyst

All right. Thanks. I just wanted to ask about the international business, at 3% growth, I mean what do you think those markets are growing at, do you think you are gaining or losing share in those markets? And just comment on the air solutions, it’s doing really well in the U.S., but do you think it is as appealing to those international customers?

Mick Farrell

Management

Yeah, good question, Mark. I will hand to Rob Douglas, our President and Chief Operating Officer.

Rob Douglas

Analyst

Yeah, thanks, Mike. In all of our other countries around the world, we view them as a portfolio; they are all running on different dynamics. And some are growing strongly at various times and other ones have challenging periods. Across the board, we are seeing – we talk about the mid-single market growth, mid-single digits market growth, and we believe that we are very much holding our own in that market growth and going well. The air solutions dynamic is quite different in different countries and every country has own major drivers. Some things are always the same, patients are always interested in their information and anything we can provide to them that helps them use the equipment and stay on using equipment that improves their outcome is useful. And we are seeing that in all of those markets. In other markets, we have to deal with specific issues, specific privacy concerns in Europe, language concerns in Japan, for example, and all of those things we’ve got going well and we are on, I guess, it’s slower than the U.S. but a very solid implementation plan through all of those countries to roll air solutions out. It’s an ongoing program for us.

Mike Matson

Analyst

All right, thanks.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Mick.

Operator

Operator

Matth O’Brien from Piper Jaffray is on the line with question.

J.P. Peltier

Analyst

This is actually J.P. in for Matt. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess in terms of going back to the revenue break down between flow generator and masks, I mean you’ve been able to grow flow generators faster than masks for the past few quarters and arguably tougher comps, so I’m just trying to drill in on the mask side of the business, is there anything going on from a competitive dynamic or from a pricing headwind perspective that is making performance there challenging?

Mick Farrell

Management

Look, don't judge the outperformance of our flow generators to make our masks look bad. I mean the Americas flow generator performance at 16% year-on-year provided on a constant currency basis was just incredible and driven by, as Rob said, a very fast take up a air solutions in these last 18 months, it’s a longer haul for some of those other 99 countries we do business in. The 10% year-on-year constant currency growth in masks and accessories I think is exceptional. And certainly keeping share and probably taking share in some categories. Look, having said that, we are in a competitive game and the competitive game is across the board. We changed the basis of competition in flow generators, which has allowed us to outperform in that category. Will we and can we continue to change the game and bring increasing and great innovation to our mask platform? Well, we’ve been doing it for 27 years and we plan to do it for the next 27 years. So the answer to that is yes. We put 7% of our revenues approximately into research and development, a very good chunk of that goes into mask innovation, plastic science, anthropometric, understanding what patients need now and in the future. And I got to tell you I am really excited about the pipeline of masks and I think that the team did well in that in Q3, but we can always do better. Sure just a follow-up, on the competitive that you alluded to what is in the feedback the year-over-year sales reps effort on this treat from the Phillips launch?

J.P. Peltier

Analyst

Sure. And just a follow-up on the competitive dynamics you alluded to. What is in the feedback that you’ve heard or your sales have heard on the street from Philips-Medtronic generator launch?

Mick Farrell

Management

You know, look, I really don't like to sort of throw a model, get involved in sort of a competitor back and forth on these conference call J.P. All I will say is that look our device, and it’s really our solution, the air solutions platform has incredible advantages. We take great cost out of the system, we provide such value for our customers and customers are using a broad sense. The customer is the patient obviously but it’s also the provider, the DME, it is also payers and other folks beyond. And the value we are able to do by linking up with EMR and EHR systems in a closed payer-provider network or a government run insurance in Western Europe network or – and the data we’re able to provide, patients means the strong demand for our product. And so I do think we’ve got a winning value proposition. I think it’s a very sustainable competitive advantage. But having said that, we believe in productive paranoia. And as I was saying earlier, we innovate our cloud-based systems on a regular basis. Weekly and monthly upgraded to these to make sure we keep those is a finely oiled machine here and that’s our goal in this space. But look there is always competition. We love competition. What we love doing is really providing value to customers and customers choosing our products and solutions because of that.

J.P. Peltier

Analyst

Great, thank you.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, J.P.

Operator

Operator

Saul Hadassin from Credit Suisse is on line with a question.

Saul Hadassin

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, guys. Mick, maybe a question for you. I think in the past you’ve talked to a mask lifecycle of around 1.5, maybe 2 years, I just want to check if that’s still correct, because you are up the T’s I think since the range of the masks were launched. And I'm just wondering where we are in terms of that launch cycle, how should we be expecting some new masks anytime soon?

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks for the question, Saul. Yeah, well, I mean, I was talking about the healthcare informatics lifecycle of being every couple of months with an upgrade. Mask systems – it depends on the full face, the nasal, the pillows and the technologies you are using. The AirFit range has been incredibly successful. The P10 mask, which is a nasal pillows mask, which I personally use, is the best mask on the planet for nasal pillows and our F10 remains clearly a world leading mask. And the N10, I think it's a very good mask, I think look we can always do better. And every time we release a product we are looking to do better. You know, Saul, that we don’t go into the specifics of our roadmap, but if you are asking me are there are exciting masks in the horizon? Of course, there are. How far is that horizon now? Well, I can’t go into details on that. It just doesn’t make sense to from a competitive dynamic front given the public nature of this call.

Saul Hadassin

Analyst

Fair enough. And just to sneak one more in for Brett, just regarding operating cash flow, another quarter of very strong right there, I think, for the nine months it’s up almost 40% with essentially flat non-GAAP earnings, just wondering what you’ve changed there in terms of that working capital management that has benefited that line?

Brett Sandercock

Management

Yeah. Thanks, Saul. The cash flow has been very strong for the business and has been quite sustained over the three quarters as you noted. So we're really pleased with that. If you look at the big one there is probably around inventory where we’ve managed to reduce that over time. There's a lot with the essence growth thing, so strong over the period. I think now we’ve had time to stabilize that and adjust somewhat. So we really started tune inventory levels and I think that sort of – its underlying – the strong underlying earnings has played a part for sure and then really turning that inventory, I think, it’s just sort of underpin and deliver some stronger cash flow through those quarters. That's probably bring the biggest impact.

Saul Hadassin

Analyst

Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Anthony Petrone from Jefferies is on the line with a question.

Anthony Petrone

Analyst

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Just one question on Brightree and I think you touched on it earlier. So forgive me if I'm overlapping me here a bit, but maybe just to expand a little bit on the strategy there, how long do you think it will take to fully integrate Brightree and sort of what synergies do you expect particularly in the HME, DME channel in the U. S. in terms of just install base on the Brightree side? Is there an opportunity to sort of up sell Brightree solutions into the existing ResMed install base?

Mick Farrell

Management

Well, thanks for the question, Anthony. Clearly the revenue and EBITDA is an immediate integration right. So, we get a nice addition of $113 million growing at strong levels on the top line and north of $43 million of EBITDA growing strong double-digits as well, so that was integrated immediately. In terms of the operating integration, as Jim said earlier, we will run Brightree as a subsidiary that has clearly separation of some data to make sure that our teams perform everything appropriately. The synergies with customers are that clearly we have customers who purchase our products and will also purchase Brightree solutions. So there will be a clear coordination between our sales force, but as Jim said, we closed the acquisition on April 4, and it is now April 26, we haven’t fully integrated our go-to-market in the first 22 days, but we do have a 91-83-60 [ph] plan here and will be able to provide, probably on this call over the coming fourth quarters, further and further integrations including obviously financial integration starting Q4 those numbers rolling in, but then the go-to-market integration over the coming four quarters.

Anthony Petrone

Analyst

And then, just one follow-up there and hop back in, but just – again should we assume that this is traditional software margin structure, where it should be margin accretive overall to the business or will that take some time to sort of play out?

Mick Farrell

Management

Yeah, Anthony. It will be immediately gross margin accretive and I think Brett in his prepared remarks talked about 70 to 100 basis points of positive contribution is likely in Q4 from including of the Brightree – the Brightree financials. So, it is a really good immediately accretive on top line and on GM.

Anthony Petrone

Analyst

Got it. Thanks.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Anthony.

Operator

Operator

Victor Windeyer from Citi is on the line with a question.

Victor Windeyer

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks very much. Look, I just wanted to try it out a bit, trying to get the underlying plain growth. So you mentioned [indiscernible] I think back in the day when the trial [indiscernible] result came out, you’ve had $150 million of [indiscernible] and I just want to know if you could give us any clarity on what the quarter will be year-on-year? [Indiscernible] whether it’s flat sequentially now?

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Victor. I’ll hand it to Rob to address the European and ASV question.

Rob Douglas

Analyst

Yeah, thanks, Victor. When we made the announcement last year, we sort of gave some indications of what we felt the impact would be. We are pretty accurate in those predictions and so we roughly standby those predictions. The impact has been more significant in Europe where we had an indication for cardiology patients versus in the U.S. where we didn’t. Our team working hard on some of the other applications for ASV and Mick mentioned them earlier on. Particularly talking about on complex sleep apnea as well as on patients who are on pain medication and so we see a lot of opportunities there and those market development opportunities are underway not only emphasize in the U.S., but also in other markets around the world. And we should start to see some benefit from those activities selling through. And as Nick also said earlier, we will anniversary the announcement on May 13 and the impact that we – the short-term impact that we had after that came on fairly quickly. So we should see those activities even up from there on in.

Victor Windeyer

Analyst

Okay. So, after you give the timing, you said 25% [indiscernible] maybe that’s clearly the $40 million or something, $10 million a quarter, I mean is that roughly where it comes in, is that what you --?

Mick Farrell

Management

Victor, we’re not going to go into the details. You’re right. That’s what we side. At that time, we said it’s – ASV is roughly 7% of the revenues and we thought a quarter of that might be at risk and roughly on the global numbers that’s roughly in line. As Rob said, it was a bit ahead of that in Europe and Americas was not as badly affected as Europe.

Rob Douglas

Analyst

Thanks for your question, Victor.

Victor Windeyer

Analyst

[Indiscernible] level we expected to grow with the applications, we are going expect that one to grow in the underlying business to come forward [indiscernible].

Mick Farrell

Management

Yeah, yeah, Victor, as I said earlier and Rob just said now, from May 13, we will hit the anniversary of the date of the announcement and from then the activity went pretty quickly as Rob said. So we should expect to ramp to strong positive ASV growth from that date. But really as I said in my prepared remarks, fiscal 2017 is where we are going to see the benefits of complex sleep apnea, payments medication, post traumatic stress disorder and also some other applications on CSA that are interesting in the sort of stroke patients and others. So, we’ll see those going forward.

Victor Windeyer

Analyst

Okay. Thanks very much.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thanks, Victor.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Chris Kallos from Morningstar is on the line with the question.

Chris Kallos

Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. Just a quick one on the gross margin side, the guidance of 57%, 60% does that include the margin equation from Brightree?

Mick Farrell

Management

Brett?

Brett Sandercock

Management

Yeah, Chris. Hi, it’s Brett. Yes, it does.

Chris Kallos

Analyst

Okay. So does that suggest that without Brightree the gross margin would be sort of on the low side? So the guidance would actually be lower?

Brett Sandercock

Management

I am not sure you can conclude that Chris. At the end of the day, we sort of 57% to 60% obviously Brightree will have a quite significant positive impact for us going into Q4 and then all the other factors play out as well that’s come up with that guidance range. I don't think you can form a conclusion either way on what the guidance would have been in, but certainly Brightree will have a positive impact on that.

Chris Kallos

Analyst

Great. And just a quick follow-up, on the reimbursements, you mentioned on the rebid, are there any other comments you could add to that on just reimbursement right now?

Brett Sandercock

Management

No. there is nothing new in the reimbursement environment globally. So, I mean frankly everything that’s been talked about in the U. S. has been projected, the government run process, so it is usually projected 12, 24, even 36 months in advance. So, there is really now news on the reimbursement plan.

Chris Kallos

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Brett Sandercock

Management

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Margaret Kaczor from William Blair is on the line with a question.

Margaret Kaczor

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking a follow-up. Maybe the first question, just a follow-up on, we know that the ASV is obviously had an impact on the international dynamics, but do you guys have a same store growth number if you do take ASVs out of international?

Brett Sandercock

Management

Yeah. Margaret. Good follow-up, but we do not want to provide that level of detail. Rob if you can provide any color to help address Margaret's question that we want to share.

Rob Douglas

Analyst

No, we really do not want to break that out Margaret, but obviously with the ASV not helping some of the other underlying parts of the business, it would look better, if the ISC wasn’t included in it, but it’s just too commercially sensitive to break all that out.

Brett Sandercock

Management

I mean the one bit of color we can provide is that ASV, and this is important as it starts to come back in 2017. It’s a very margin accretive product. It's a very margin accretive product. So, as it starts to come back it will really benefit us and clearly, just hitting the 12 month mark of a headwind that’s been a tough 11 months on the GM front as you guys have seen in the numbers with that as a headwind as it starts to turn mutual and become a tailwind in 2017. It can really help us, but clearly we are executing on ASV we got some really exciting applications for it, you will hear more from us on this front in the future.

Margaret Kaczor

Analyst

Great. And then, just in terms of gross margin again, Brett maybe you can give us a little bit more perspective, you mentioned mix ASP and geographic mix, should we think of that about that third or third or third or overweight one of those categories and as ASV comes back, is that the primary driver to maybe reverse that trend on gross margins for the course sleep apnea business and over what timeframe should we expect that? Thank you.

Rob Douglas

Analyst

So that seven part multi-question, it’s a perfect one for Brett.

Brett Sandercock

Management

I’ll have a crack of that one. Thanks, Margaret. Look, the most significant one has definitely been product mix and that’s been the biggest one and that’s multiple really, obviously ASV is playing out there a little bit and playing out there as well and just a really strong outperformance in flow generators. So, it’s a big thing of those - with ASV that sort of stuff dissipates certainly through Q4 and then into Q1. So that will certainly help. And then, obviously Brightree comes on boarding in Q4 as well. And then just as I mentioned earlier just depends on the trends for products mix and also geographic mix. So, even really strong outperformance in the Americas, which is positive, does have an impact on the growth margin. So, a number of factors playing out, but some of those moderate and some of kind of disappeared into FY17. So, I think that’s good. I mean the important thing on that European and ASV headwind, is that that’s go away and that’s if you strip that out, the device number internationally would be better. So, I think that’s something to look at that, I think that obviously headwind is really detracting from international and that is definitely something it’s going to go away into FY17.

Margaret Kaczor

Analyst

Thank you, guys very helpful.

Brett Sandercock

Management

Yeah. Thanks, Margaret.

Operator

Operator

Suraj Kalia from Northland Securities is on the line with a question.

Suraj Kalia

Analyst

Good afternoon everyone, Mick one question for you and one for Brett. Mick you give a pretty good insight into how you are going to be integrating Brightree and you're going to be helping your customers, I guess let me just belabor that point, specifically Phillips and the [well-wisher] customers. So what is the stickiness if I can use that word, for Phillips and developers staying with Brightree? In other words, do you all risk losing Phillips and Devilbiss some point in the future, how do all prevent that because that would be some portion of Brightree's revenues?

Mick Farrell

Management

The revenues for Brightree come from the customers who are the HME providers and HME providers have a portfolio of products that they use. So they - our customers or the HME providers are buying from ResMed and some of the competitors that you named. So my presumption is our customers will continue to want to buy from them and would want them to use the software program that our customers are using. It is as simple as that. It is not our decision or our competitors decision it’s the customers decision and the customer has to make a right decision and about the economic interests, the longer-term interest primarily with their patients and for growing business efficiently. So, we think that will play out, really we've had two or three months of this out there and playing out just fine as far as we see it. So, we're pretty excited frankly two months after the announcement and really only 22 days after the close and we're revving up to move forward.

Suraj Kalia

Analyst

Fair enough. And Brett I know you mentioned 7% organic growth and 2% acquired on a constant currency basis and maybe I missed this, Brett since curative is primarily [U. S.] , Inova is primarily U. S. can you give us the as reported numbers for the quarter? Thank you for taking my questions.

Brett Sandercock

Management

Yeah. I think Mick talked about it earlier in terms of getting going too much into the detail on that. I think you guys - the overall number was 2% and either would be squid to devices obviously and then more spread. So, I think probably did not have some fair estimates on what kind of the impacts would be through the categories without going into too much detail on it.

Operator

Operator

We are now at the one hour Mark. So I will turn the call back over to Mick Farrell.

Mick Farrell

Management

Thank you, Andrew. And in closing, I want to welcome the Inova and Brightree teams to our global ResMed team and to thank the now almost 5000 strong team here at ResMed from around the world for their commitment to changing lives, of millions of patients with every breath. I'm very proud of what this team has accomplished not just here in Q3, but beyond in creating the world’s leading tech driven medical device company. We remain laser focused our long-term goal of improving 20 million lives by 2020 by literally giving products and the gift of breath to those folks. Thanks for your time and we will talk to again in 90 days.

Agnes Lee

Management

Thank you again for joining us today. If there are any additional questions, please feel free to contact me. The webcast replay will be available on our website in about two hours at investors.resmed.com. Andrew you may now close the call.

Operator

Operator

This concludes ResMed’s third quarter of fiscal year 2016 earnings live webcast. You may disconnect.