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RLI Corp. (RLI)

Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 26, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the RLI Fourth Quarter Earnings Teleconference. At this time, I'd like to inform you that this conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] Before we get started, let me remind everyone that through the course of today's teleconference, RLI management may make comments that reflect their intentions, beliefs and expectations for the future. As always, these forward-looking statements are subject to certain risk factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially. These risk factors are listed in the company's various SEC filings, including the annual Form 10-K, which should be reviewed carefully. The company has filed a Form 8-K with the Securities and Exchange Commission that contains the press release announcing fourth quarter results. RLI management may make reference during the call to the operating earnings and earnings per share from operations, which are non-GAAP measures of financial results. RLI's operating earnings and earnings per share from operations consist of net earnings after the elimination after-tax realized investment gains or losses. RLI's management believes that this measure is useful in gauging core operating performances across reporting periods, but may not be comparable to other companies' definitions of operating earnings. The Form 8-K contains a reconciliation between operating earnings and net earnings. The Form 8-K and press release are available at the company's website at www.rlicorp.com. I will now turn the conference over to RLI's Vice President, Corporate Development, Mr. Aaron Jacoby. Please go ahead, sir.

Aaron Jacoby

Management

Thank you. Good morning, to everyone. Welcome to the ROI earnings teleconference for the fourth quarter of 2011. Joining me on today's call are Jon Michael, Chairman and CEO; Mike Stone, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Tom Brown, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I'm going to give some brief opening comments on the quarter, then turn the call over to Mike to talk about our operations and market conditions. Then we will open the call to questions, and Jon will finish with some closing comments. Operating income came in at $1.35 per share in the quarter and $5.58 for the year. Results for both periods were positively influenced by favorable development in prior year loss reserves, $11 million in the quarter and $92 million for the year, with our casualty segment being the primary driver. The combined ratio for the quarter was 82%, which allowed us to finish the year with a 78% combined ratio. 2011 marked the 16th consecutive year that RLI has maintained a combined ratio below 100%. Perhaps an equally impressive figure is the 87% combined ratio RLI has averaged over those same 16 years. Gross premium was up 12% in the quarter and 10% for the full year. This growth was driven by our acquisition of Contractors Bonding in April, as well as by organic growth in some of our newer product initiatives. Within the investment portfolio, investment income was down 2.6% for the quarter, an improvement relative to the annual decline of 4.7%. As we've noted before, our ability to deliver superior underwriting results is particularly important in today's low interest rate environment. On a total return basis, our investment portfolio performed admirably in the tough and volatile year. The portfolio returned 3.4% in the quarter and 7.3% for the year. Between the positive underwriting and investment returns in 2011, capital grew significantly, which allowed RLI to pay a $5 per share special dividend in December. Including this dividend, book value per share advanced 16% on the year. And over the last 6 years, ROI has returned over $700 million to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Mike Stone. Mike?

Michael Stone

Management

Aaron, thank you, and good morning, everyone. A superior underwriting quarter and year. A testament to our underwriting expertise and discipline and a business model that rewards underwriting profits, I might add, in all markets and economic conditions. Again, a 78% combined ratio for the year when the industry is going to be north of 100%, we probably outperformed the industry by some 25% combined ratio points this year. A stellar performance. We're particularly proud of being able to grow our premium by 12% in the quarter and 10% in the year while maintaining our underwriting performance. The market continues to improve, that is rates are moving in the right direction, but it's uneven, somewhat product-specific or geographic-driven by particular issues, for example, property wins, catastrophe wins due in some large part to the model change to reinsurance costs and to cap activity. I continue to watch for movement from our Transportation division, a short-tail casualty line which should be an early indicator of true firming in the marketplace. My observation is somewhat mixed. Rates remained fairly flat, but we're seeing more opportunities in that space, which is hopefully a precursor to better rate activity. Frankly, without some real improvement in the economy, that is, exposure growth and the construction activity, we will continue to encounter difficulty growing organically. Let's look at our segments. Casualty gross written premium, up 10% in the quarter, 4% in the year, largely due to our CBIC acquisition and our professional services group growth. Our rates overall basically fat -- not fat, flat. Some areas due to lost activity, for example, the general liability habitational risks where rates are moving north, but are really driven by significant loss activity in that space. And geographic issues in our commercial umbrella space, where New York contractors are…

Aaron Jacoby

Operator

Great. Thanks, Mike. Operator, we can now open the call up for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Randy Binner with FBR Capital Markets.

Randy Binner

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

Just a couple of clarification questions on pricing and kind of market dynamics. I guess first in surety, you mentioned contract surety is lower. But on commercial surety, just interested to get your take on the market dynamic there and if there's maybe more top line production in that area.

Michael Stone

Management

We are up a bit in the quarter and for the year, single digit increase. That space has quite a bit of capacity, and we're fairly cautious at this stage. Usually at this stage of the surety market cycle, we start seeing commercial surety underwriters do unusual things. And we haven't seen that yet, which is good. But we're cautious here and wouldn't expect a whole lot of growth, but feel like we're in a good spot here.

Randy Binner

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

I apologize if you break this down in the press release or somewhere else, but what's your rough breakdown in contract versus commercial?

Michael Stone

Management

Our contract versus -- again, we've got basically 4 areas of surety that we operate under. We have contract; we have what we call commercial surety, which is really account-driven miscellaneous surety; and we have a miscellaneous surety, which is transactional with small accounts; and then we have oil and gas. They're all pre-CBIC, roughly 25%. Little bit larger on the miscellaneous side. And with the addition of CBIC, our -- we'll increase our miscellaneous commercial business, that is the transaction business, and the contract business a bit. So the split will be more like 30-30, 20-20 going forward.

Randy Binner

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

That's helpful. I mean, I guess, if contract is slow and commercial is crowded but not yet irrational, it seems like the outlook there would seem to me only get worse from a premium production perspective. Is that fair?

Michael Stone

Management

You say for contract? I'm sorry.

Randy Binner

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

Well, for -- yes, for just surety in general, contract and then commercial as well.

Michael Stone

Management

Again, I think it's not completely across-the-board that way. I wouldn't look at it with just a broad brush like that. Certainly, I think our oil and gas business is doing well, growing a bit. I think our commercial business will grow a little bit. I think our miscellaneous business will grow -- hopefully grow even more significantly, and our contract business will be under pressure for a bit. We've been through these cycles before. It's time to be careful certainly on the contract surety side, and we will be. But there is still -- I still hope and expect that 2012 will be a decent surety year.

Randy Binner

Analyst · FBR Capital Markets

That's helpful. And then just real quick on property. I think you mentioned that RMS 11 is driving rate higher, but not as much as you might think. Any quantification of kind of where rates come in there versus where it should be relative to the losses of the last couple of years?

Michael Stone

Management

Well, relative to losses of the last couple of years should be up quite a bit higher. But certainly, we haven't experienced that loss activity, but the industry has. It's actually wins for -- win rates for 2011 were up some 15%, driven more so in the second half as people started implementing RMS 11. Certainly, reinsurance renewals on 1/1 are up pretty well across the board and we experience a bit of uptick probably a little less than the industry. But certainly, reinsurers are starting to try to drive rate, and there has been quite a bit of loss activity in this space and not fully recognized is the Thailand floods recently amongst other large international catastrophe. The only thing you can say good about the property cat market is there wasn't a Florida event this year. I should say last year. I don't know about this year yet.

Operator

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Doug Mewhirter with RBC Capital Markets.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

I just have a general question about -- or a specific question about the reserve releases and any other comments that you might be able to make in addition. What -- I guess mostly came from casualty, what accident years roughly did it come from? And just where do you see the trends running in terms of loss costs? And any kind of leading indicators of those kind of trends, severity, frequency, et cetera, in casualty?

Thomas Brown

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

It's Tom Brown. Thanks for the question. The casualty here, you'll be seeing in the release is primarily from 2006 through 2009, so the more recent accident years. We really don't like to comment much on what's going to happen in the future, too many variables.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Okay. How about what kind of, I guess, current frequency and severity turns are you seeing then from casualty?

Michael Stone

Management

It's Mike Stone. I'll be happy to try to give you an answer. I think our frequency and severity turns are fairly benign, I think less than what we would've expected. Probably on the low single digits order of magnitude. I think that's one of the things that is continuing to keep rates more moderate than you would expect, given what's happened over the last 6 or 7 years for casualty rates and what's happening with the loss activity in the property space.

Operator

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Vincent DeAugustino with Stifel, Nicolaus.

Vincent DeAugustino

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

I know the saying goes if it's not broken, don't fix it, and RLI is clearly a well run operation. But I'm curious if there's anything on the radar in terms of new initiatives or potential acquisition areas, or any areas that you think can be improved. Basically just wondering if there's any new strategic goals on the horizon for 2012 or beyond.

Jonathan Michael

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Yes, Jon Michael here. Well, we had combined ratio of 78% and I think we have a lot of improvement to do from that. And in terms of acquisitions, we are constantly looking for new products, product extensions, acquisitions, of course, we don't have anything to announce. But we're constantly looking and we'll change just as we've changed in the past. But as much as we change, things remain the same. We've had 16 years of combined ratios under 100%.

Vincent DeAugustino

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

I guess just one other question. Looking at your equity portfolio performance after incorporating the 12% return, if my math is right, it looks like there is something in the neighborhood of maybe an $18 million net new fund addition. Is there maybe any incremental bullishness going on there, or am I just reading too much into it?

Aaron Jacoby

Operator

Vince, can you repeat the question, please?

Vincent DeAugustino

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Sure. Looking at the equity portfolio performance after incorporating the 12% return from the quarter, it looks like, if my math is right, there should be about an $18 million net new fund addition to the equity side. Just curious if there was any incremental bullishness going on there.

Thomas Brown

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

I didn't catch the last piece, but yes, you're right. We have increased our position in equities by approximately 20% of the overall investment portfolio, a strong increase from 9/30 to 12/31 in prices and it also is due somewhat to a high dividend yield investment equities, which throws up a pretty good return. I didn't catch the last part of your question.

Vincent DeAugustino

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

No, that's perfect. And then if I may, just one follow-up from an earlier question on the casualty line reserve leases. Were there any adjustments to prior 2011 quarters, or is it just mostly the 2006 to 2009 accident years?

Thomas Brown

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

This is Tom Brown. It really is some -- there is some release for full of 10 years. But again, as I said earlier, it's predominantly in the 2006 through 2009 accident years.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go next to Adam Klauber with William Blair.

Adam Klauber

Analyst · William Blair

Could you talk a bit about the competitive environment? Have we seen any pullback from the standard players?

Michael Stone

Management

It's Mike Stone. That's kind of bit of a mixed bag. We've seen a little bit of pullback in some areas. But by and large, they're still -- probably if we look at our competition, probably the toughest piece of our competition, biggest piece of our competition that we've seen over the last 5 or 6 years as the market has trended downward. We haven't seen a big pullback again, which would be a precursor of a real firming market, so we think the standard guys are still there. They haven't felt the pain quite yet. We're starting to feel a little of it but probably not enough of it to drive them completely out like what has happened in the past.

Adam Klauber

Analyst · William Blair

To the extent they're pulling back, is it more on the property than the casualty side?

Michael Stone

Management

Again, it depends on geography as much as anything. We see some of it on the property side certainly and in some areas I indicated like in the northeast on the casualty side.

Adam Klauber

Analyst · William Blair

Okay. And then as far as property premium -- sorry, gross premium written, it was lower in the fourth quarter than in the prior 3 quarters. Is that just more of a quarterly fluctuation, or did something change in the fourth quarter?

Michael Stone

Management

It's almost no crop premium in the fourth quarter. That's probably the reason that, if you look at quarter by quarter, that fourth quarter will be less.

Adam Klauber

Analyst · William Blair

But also that's why the growth is less because some of the growth over the last 2 quarters has been crop?

Michael Stone

Management

Yes.

Adam Klauber

Analyst · William Blair

Okay, that makes sense. And then finally on, when I look at casualty accident combined ratio, it's running around 104%, I think 105% for the last 2 years. How much rate do you think needs to be put in that book to get it back to your core profitability? And are you seeing any more discipline in the market that would let you get that rate?

Michael Stone

Management

I'll answer the second question first. We're not seeing as much discipline in the market as we would like. So we're seeing a fairly flat rate environment, which is good compared to what we've seen in the recent past when rates are declining, so flattening out of rates is a good thing. As I think I've said before, I don't think rates stay in spaces. They move one direction or the other. They don't stay flat forever. We've been bumping along what we think is the bottom for a while. What's going to be interesting is that they actually do turn up. Or as they have in the past, in the recent past when we think things were going to firm, they actually go down. I do think we're at an inflection point. We think we need 10% to 20% rate increase to get us to the margins where we think we ought to be on across-the-board basis in casualty.

Operator

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Court Dignan with Fidelity Investments.

Court Dignan

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

I have a question on how we should be thinking about the balance sheet and premium leverage, given the sort of mix changes the company's had over the last couple of years, your organic growth expectations, as well as sort of retaining flexibility for prospective acquisitions, which has obviously played a role in the company's history. So I mean -- I don't know if it's too simplistic to think about it within the context of premium surplus, but I was wondering if you could just hit on that.

Jonathan Michael

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

Yes, this is Jon Michael. In terms of premium to surplus and how much leverage we can probably generate in terms of operating leverage and maintain ratings, we believe that, that number is probably starts to get taxed at around 1.3 or thereabouts, so we really do have a long way to go before we get to that kind of leverage. In terms of acquisitions that I've previously mentioned, we are constantly looking at new products, product extensions, acquisitions and the like, and that's -- last year, I think we did Contractors Bonding and Insurance Company. And we did other several product extensions. So we will continue to do that.

Court Dignan

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

Is the environment for acquisitions better or worse than 6 months ago, 12 months ago, 24 months ago? No difference?

Jonathan Michael

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

No difference, yes. I'd say, given where our stock's trading, we're in a better position than others. But I think what happens is that when you begin to look at acquisitions of the -- the expectation of the acquired is quite a bit different than what we're thinking that we ought to pay.

Court Dignan

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

And then on the premium to surplus, 1.3x. The way you interpret that, I mean, is everything firing, all hands on deck, you operate at 1.3. But in more normal course, I mean, is 1x more a reasonable target? I'm just trying to make sure I, obviously, you know where you were at 0.5 a couple -- a year ago or so, that was obviously on the low end, but...

Jonathan Michael

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

Yes. I think we can easily operate at 1.3. But what happens is the rating agencies won't allow you to go beyond that and maintain an A+ rating. And it depends on the products that you're writing.

Court Dignan

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

And then last question I have was just on the investment portfolio. I think maybe 6 months ago, you guys were buying 7- to 10-year corporates plus I think adding some longer-dated GSE paper. Can you give us a sense for what you're looking at now and what generically, for the fixed income portfolio, you're getting for new money yield?

Thomas Brown

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

Yes, let me take this. It's Tom Brown. It's remained fairly consistent with the exception of our previous comment, we have shifted a little more into the equities, getting some better yield, different yield on the equities as opposed to the fixed income portfolio. We should also point out that we did have a press release earlier in the week that we just announced a new hiring of a CIO, Aaron Diefenthaler. Too early to comment on some of his thoughts and views on the portfolio going forward.

Court Dignan

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

Can you give me a sense for the fixed income portfolio what you're getting for new money yield?

Thomas Brown

Analyst · Fidelity Investments

Offhand, I think it was 2.9%. I think, roughly 2.9%.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our next question from Matt Carletti with JMP Securities.

Matthew Carletti

Analyst · JMP Securities

Just a couple of questions on the crop book. One is, directionally, what do you expect on that book this year, the kind of growth flat or otherwise? And secondly, were there any material changes on the renewal in terms of conditions?

Michael Stone

Management

It's Mike Stone. Again, we continue to like the crop business. We expect -- obviously, premium is driven a bit by price commodity prices, so we would expect our crop premium probably be down a bit. We did renew the reinsurance partnership. So we would expect premium to be down a little bit in 2012, but it's yet to be determined with the pricing and the overall conditions in that market.

Matthew Carletti

Analyst · JMP Securities

In terms of the renewal, any material change to terms of conditions or the length of the renewal?

Michael Stone

Management

The renewals on an annual basis, and we went from a 6% quarter share to a 4% quarter share. And some of that was driven by them seeking better terms in 2011 crop year, if I got that right, being not as good as it was before. We felt like keeping our overall premium at around what we want it to be to begin with. And given the spike in prices, 4% gets us about where we want to be.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions in the queue. [Operator Instructions] Mr. Jacoby, we have no further questions in the queue at this time.

Aaron Jacoby

Operator

Great. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jon Michael.

Jonathan Michael

Analyst · Stifel, Nicolaus

Thank you, and thank you for attending. I want to thank all of our 900 associates for another fantastic year. 78% combined ratio, our volume was up even without the acquisition of CBIC so we have had a terrific year and we look forward to delivering even better results next year. Thank you all for listening, and we will talk to you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

That does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.