Eric Langan
President and CEO
I mean, I think we're getting those calls, we've been getting those calls. COVID kind of got some pretty major players, interested in selling as you know from the Denver acquisition, which was -- has been fantastic for us. I think there's still room. We're still going to have growth. I mean trailing 12 months, 24% increase over their 2019 numbers. And I think that we'll see more increases in trailing 12 months, from today, I think that number is going to be even better. So as we move forward, I certainly think there's plenty of opportunity out there for us. I am being a little pickier, because I've got so much on our plate right now, and that's one of the things I wanted to lay out, in this slide, is just how much we've actually been working, right? Because you guys don't see this. Until you announce it and we open. When I buy, a $1 million piece of land or maybe $0.5 piece of land it's not material. I don't put out press releases over these small things, but we have a lot on our plate right now. We're ready for more on the right -- of the right kind of deals. I mean, I've been talking with a couple of owners and like look they're like I want 4 times or I want 4.5 times and I'm like well you've got a 3 times unit. I'm sorry. I can't pay you 4.5 times for a 3 times unit. If you want to give me some better terms, you want to carry more paper. You want 65% cash down. That raises my cost. I'm going to pay you less. One way or the other, it balances out. Now if you want to take, if you want to take the finance portion of what I'm willing to pay for your free cash flow, and carry the paper, sure I'll be happy to give you that. You carry more paper. I'll give you another point of interest, but you don't take any of my cash from me. I go in there and generate the income from their particular location to pay for it, then yes, I'm willing to give them a little better multiple. But when they increase my risk factor, I'm in a market that I'm -- it's not a major market or I'm not extremely comfortable with the market, I'm going to pay less for it. And we've targeted guys said, well, I don't want to sell my club to anybody else. I said what you're really saying is, nobody else wants to buy your club for this price. And I can't buy for that price, either. This is the price I will pay, call me when you're ready. And I guarantee you, one day we'll get that call. We're probably paying with -- it's not that we're paying the top price, because people offer them more money. What we are paying with is reputation. We're paying with -- we've never missed a payment. In 30 years, we made every payment to a seller we've ever promised to make. We made every payment through COVID, to 90% of our seller finance notes and the only ones we didn't pay were because they said, hey, don't pay me. I know you guys are settling right now, don't pay me. If you guys have been good to me, take three months of payments and just to firm. We'll work it out later. And so we were able to do those types of things. But -- and so that's what we are the preferred buyer, because they know they're going to get paid. People offer them more money but they want less cash down. They want -- they offer them higher interest rates but they're never going to get their money. Plus they also know that when we take over their club, we're not going to run their club into the ground. We're going to remodel. We're going to build. If they ever did get it back from us, it would be in better shape than it was the day they gave it to us, whereas, they sell to these other -- if they sell somebody else who's carrying so much paper in their cabinet, they may be struggling and they -- as they go and they may not -- not only they not pay the payment but they're going to run their clubs into the ground as well. And so that's what we're using as our past reputation in how we do business and they can call any owner if there's none out there listening looking to sell their club, I mean, you can call anybody we bought clubs from, no one that I know of we'll say a bad thing or has ever said a bad thing about us on how we do business and how we treat you and how we work with you through anything that comes up.
Q – Unidentified Analyst: Yeah. No, I definitely -- and the other thing that we've gotten in our research is like there's basically one large strategic who is not really active in consolidation anymore déjà vu hairy, and so like there really isn't anyone who has the balance sheet to facilitate transactions like Baby Dolls or VCGH or what have you. I mean, you're really the only guy out there that can do it. That has the ability to close and get property level mortgages and fund the cash down payment. And I mean I don't think a lot of people have $30 million of cash or $25 million in cash to buy a $10 million, $15 million EBITDA asset. So I worry less about competing for the asset and more about sellers wanting to sell to you and having a cost of their capital. But, yeah, look I think we've still got a long way to go on the M&A. And then the other part is back to the casino. I think you've been a little bit cagey about this. And so again and true to Adam Wyden form, we've done our own diligence. And I know a guy that operates slot machines down here, operates casino, and I do the math on 30,000 square feet and the number of slots and I can back into it, if you guys are going to spend $10 million and most of that is slot and gaming you're not participating. I mean, again, I don't know what you're doing with your online gaming and your sports betting, but I suspect that's part of the equation as well. I mean, there are scenarios where a 30,000 square foot casino could generate in the tens of millions of EBITDA. I mean, I know it's early in the evolution, but I think it would be helpful, because I think -- again I -- look I know that we spoke this much about Bombshells. I mean, Baby Dolls is double the EBIT that all Bombshells is doing. I mean one freaking transaction is $15 million of EBIT pro forma versus $8 million of EBIT out of Bombshells. I mean, the fact that we spent the first hour on the call is just absolutely abhorrent. But separately if I say separately, I sort of look at a lot of guys are like wow he’s doing this casino it's -- Adam, it’s barely weekend [ph], and we don't think about it at all. We've seen the renderings and we say look this is a Cabaret, you've got -- it's sort of like the old Western Cabaret Casino, I think it's just so on brand. But I think even more importantly I think it's important for you to come out there. And I know it's early, you are an entrepreneur and so am I. But I think when you're making an investment in a casino for $10 million of cash and again in the grand scheme of your market cap and your balance with $35 million cash I mean it could go to zero. But when we do the math we've sort of seen the range of outcomes of like low end of the range you're making like $10 million of EBITDA like high end of the range you could be making as much as $25 million or $30 million. And I think it's super important that like you sort of and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but I think it's important for us and the investor community to understand that like you're not you're in the no-brainer business. When you buy strip clubs with real estate at four times EBITDA that's a no-brainer. And that you're getting into this because A, it's sort of like -- it is a strip club itself. It's a strip club steakhouse casino; and B the returns are so good you can't not do it. So I just wanted to sort of lay that out and give you an opportunity to respond.