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Ryman Hospitality Properties, Inc. (RHP)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 2, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Ryman Hospitality Properties Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today for Ryman Hospitality Properties are Mr. Colin Reed, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Mark Fioravanti, President; Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Patrick Chaffin, Chief Operating Officer. This call will be available for digital replay. The number is 800 839-1246 with no conference ID required. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Ms. Jennifer Hutcheson. Ma'am, you may begin.

Jennifer Hutcheson

Management

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. This call may contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements about the company's expected financial performance. Any statements we make today that are not statements of historical facts may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Words such as believes or expects are intended to identify these statements, which may be affected by many factors, including those listed in the company's SEC filings and in today's release. The company's actual results may differ materially from the results we discuss or project today. We will not update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or any other reason. We will also discuss non-GAAP financial measures today. We reconcile each non-GAAP measure to the most comparable GAAP measure in exhibit to today's release. I'll now turn the call over to Colin

Colin Reed

Management

Thank you, Jen and good morning, everyone. The second quarter was another remarkable quarter for our company and the hospitality business in particular. The momentum we generated in our hospitality business during the first quarter has rebounded from the low point of the Omicron wave in January, carry through to several new record performances in the second quarter. And we did some of these in absence for you. Second quarter was our best quarter ever in the history of the Gaylord brand for trend in ADR. At 283, this was an increase of 31% over the second quarter of both '19 and '21. The second quarter was also a record all-time for us for both total revenue and total adjusted EBITDAre for our hospitality segment. And those records were not by narrow margin. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA was a total of 22 million higher than the next best quarter and our adjusted EBITDAre margin was also an all-time record at 125 basis points above the next best quarter. Regarding our core production, this second quarter saw the higher ADR on new definite booking for all future years of $243. On a monthly basis, we also saw a few records within the quarter. For example, April was the single best most profitable month for adjusted EBITDAre for the Gaylord hotel brand and the second highest margin month one record. And at the individual hotel level, the Gaylord roughly has gained a distinction of serving the single highest occupancy month on record for any Gaylord hotel when it reached 92.4% for the month of June. From just about every angle you look, our results this quarter were a testament to our capital allocation strategy and the actions that we've taken over the last several years to meet the challenge of the pandemic…

Mark Fioravanti

Management

Thanks, Colin. Good morning, everyone. As Colin has noted this was an excellent quarter for our hotel business with several all-time records achieved, and let me just take a moment to comment the profit level on some of this specific drivers of the performance. While Gaylord Rockies led the brand in occupancy for the quarter at 76.6%, Opryland, the Palms and the Texan all had similarly strong performances with occupancies of about 74%. The Palms and Texan finished with and two different points of second quarter 2019 levels. And I would note that the Palms occupancy performance includes 300 additional rooms a 21% increase in that properties available rooms. The Rockies occupancy was up 8 points with 2019 was its first skew of operation and the hotel has not been stabilized. And our Opryland trail at 2019 performance by six points, it's important to note that Opryland had a tough comp as occupancy in the second quarter 2019 is seen at 81%. All four hotels had excellent ADR growth over the second quarter of 2019 ranging from 15.6% for Rockies up at 22% at the Texan which in each case was notably led by the transient segment. First of the second quarter of 2019, the Rockies transient ADR grew 46.5%, the Palms 39.9%, and Opryland is 37% and the Texan at 36.5%. Group ADR also performed well going on average an 11.5% across the four hotels. All four hotels delivered a very good outside the room stand for groups in-house with other RevPAR at the Texan at 9.3%, the Palms 22.5%, Rockies 26.7%, while compared to the second quarter of 2019. Opry inline delivered another RevPAR up 1.2% as a mixture from corporate to association room nights led to more margin throughout in outside the room standing. In addition, Opryland…

Jennifer Hutcheson

Management

Thank you, Mark. In second quarter, the Company generated total revenue a $470.2 million and net income to common shareholders a $50.3 million, and $0.91 for fully diluted share. The Company closed its acquisition of Block 21 for $255 million in the quarter, including contract price adjustments and the assumption of a $136 million of CMBS. Subsequently we are seeing appropriate of $296 million on the sale, 30% of our Opry Entertainment Group to the care. As well as the recapitalization of OEG with a new $300 million term loan. We do see proceeds to retire our $300 million Term Loan A and other borrowings under our corporate and volume credit facility. We've left the Company with an undrawn revolver, a new undrawn $65 million revolver at OEG and a $179 million of unrestricted cash at quarter end for total liquidity of $934 million excluding $10 million of lines of credit. With total net debt a $2.68 billion and trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDAre, a $408 million. This puts our current net leverage at approximately 6.6 time. And based on the midpoint of our guidance range which I'll cover next, we would expect to end here at approximately five time, which is close to the upper end of our preferred range. Based on strong performance of our hotel portfolio in the second quarter and the item impacting our entertainment business that Colin described, we have to provide our full-year guidance and are also now issuing third quarter guidance. To this third quarter 2022, we expect our hospitality business to deliver between a $125 million to a $130 million of adjusted EBITDAre and our consolidated company to produce a $137 million to a $146 million of adjusted EBITDAre. For the full-year 2022, we expect our hospitality segment to deliver $475 million…

Colin Reed

Management

Thanks, Jen. Cathy, let's -- Katie, sorry, let's open up the lines for questions and please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, Sir. [Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Dori Kesten with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.

Dori Kesten

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. I have a few questions on the outlook. How much is assumed in Q3 and Q4 for cancellation and attrition fees?

Patrick Chaffin

Analyst

Hey Dori, it's Patrick. We would expect to see a decline in the second half of the year and our attrition cancellation fees somewhere in the $10 million and $20 million range for the second half of the year is probably where we're going to end up.

Dori Kesten

Analyst

Okay. And was the reduction in the entertainment outlook, was that solely due to the later-than-expected closing of Block 21 and adjust the plans that you had, I guess we're not able to put in place or was there anything else that was driving that?

Mark Fioravanti

Management

Well, the delay in Block 21 and its integration is a portion of that. As the business has revamped from COVID, we've seen some impact from the tour and travel business as Colin mentioned, it's impacting Opry's tenants as well as our day time tour business at the Opry and the Ryman. Colin also mentioned is a script that available of artists with the artist touring post-pandemic that increased schedule has reduced availability for some of the A-list artists at the Opry House. And then we've seen some softness particularly in Orlando as it relates to our Ole Red there and that or that is located near the convention center, convention traffic there is running a bit below pre-pandemic levels. So, that combined with and the tragedy that occurred in Icon Park a few months ago is having some implications for that location because we are located in Icon Park as well. And so, all of those issues are really contributing to how we view the entertainment business for the rest of the year. I would say though that that business has performed extremely well and as Colin shared on the call in the first half and as you look at the second half, if you look at the acquired second half EBITDA growth versus '19 at the midpoint, we are projecting 55% growth over 2019 levels in terms of profitability for that business in second half. So, it's a terrific, that business was having a terrific year.

Colin Reed

Management

And let me add to this, Mark. But we tried always to be extremely transparent with new folks being analysts and the investors. And you all know we went through this process last year where we sat down with 10 interested companies that wanted to partner with us on this business. And we built layer one to the time to be build, we built the plan based upon the way we felt 2022 was good to play out. And what has basically happened is the Omicron wave that hit us in the middle of the winter December, January, February, was not frankly something that we planned for them and it had a marginal impact on consumer behavior. This is a timing issue. This is not a fundamental change in the business trajectory, this is a timing issue. The buzzing business will be back. The group large city wide convention business in the Orlando market will be back. The artists that are out there, that have been locked out for two years, those folks they're going to take it briefly and come back to Nashville. The other part of all of this that I'd really love with all of these artists all over the country and internationally playing is that they had created new fans that we can then turn around and bring back to Nashville. So, this is a timing issue. We the fundamental change to our hotel business is so exciting because what we've essentially done here is we have re-weighted the hotel industry our part of the hotel business here over the last one to two years. This is why we are seeing we believed in leisure rate, people are now prepared to pay the rate that we are putting before them for the fabulous array of stuff that we put into our hotels. And our group side is just getting stronger-and-stronger by the day. And had July group room night production was very healthy and about a 110 million a 110,000 room nights produced and Patrick what was that rate going for over '19?

Patrick Chaffin

Analyst

Over '190, our July production was up about $58 or about 29.8%.

Colin Reed

Management

So, the entertainment business, this issue is a timing issue. And Block 21 we look really forward to getting the hotel rate down, sitting down and planning the movie theater renovation what we will do. This is a timing issue but we're very excited about the underlying trajectory of this company. And that was a long winded answer to a very short question but I felt like I had to give it to you.

Dori Kesten

Analyst

And that's fine. Is it fair to say then that you summarize all that that as compared to three months ago your outlook for the hospitality business next year. And I guess your internal outlook has improved and perhaps the entertainment outlook is unchanged, again for next year not '22 whether it's perhaps time issues.

Colin Reed

Management

I think our view of the entertainment business next year hasn’t changed and hasn’t changed for next year given some of this delay and in the recovery. I think our business next year is going to be very good and we're having many different discussions. We have our friends from Atairos here Wednesday evening and Thursday and we got many interesting ideas on how to improve this business and drive further. So, I'm pretty excited about it for the 2023.

Dori Kesten

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Colin Reed

Management

Thanks, Dori.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Smedes Rose with Citi. Your line is now open.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Hi, thanks. I had a couple of questions but the first one maybe just kind of as we think about the outlook for the rest of the year. Can you just help to think about what sort of the effective tax rate would be, at least while it's up to our forecast for the tax really higher in the quarter. Have you just kind of trying to think about that going forward?

Jennifer Hutcheson

Management

Hi Smedes, this is Jennifer.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Hi.

Jennifer Hutcheson

Management

We didn’t have a reconciliation for adjusted EBITDA and then supplemental schedules or earnings release in that that shows you on line for kind of that combined total tax provision for what we're projecting for the year just kind of the reconciliation for full-year guidance. And as you noticed, it sounds like that number is a little bit higher than what we're typically seeing in the past. And I guess one unfortunate byproduct is having your hotel business do so well and higher income tax bill that kind of comes with that. So, the other thing that impacted that estimate has come to the both timing and the rapid lap of this recovery kind of limit your ability to maybe manage your taxes within a particular given year. We have had a fair amount of NOLs that have built up over the years and we've been steadily utilizing those and those will start to wind down and then and fortunately did as well is and we've created new NOLs and have been in recent tax well as then have been an active that the room that we are now that goes at all well that you've move moving around being created that you can apply and they're getting near. Although they can carry forward indefinitely now to the upside to that to yes that's a little bit of a timing issue with as well. So, a little bit of an anomaly in 2022, we may continue in the future to speak relative to historical periods where we will believe lies more of our NOL higher than this pre-pandemic level taxes. But probably a little more stabilized level than what you're seeing more than they did previously with us back in 2019, pre-pandemic, from a mix perspective, we think 2023 is going to be more favorable than 2022. We’re continuing to watch that. Obviously, we have a lot to book here in the next six months. And so we’ll be watching that closely with our sales team. But from a leisure perspective, the accounts point, I would guess I would note, just what we did in the past seven days, our ADR on the leisure transient side was an all time high, at $305, across the brand over the past seven days. So we continue each week to see either as solid as the week prior or setting new records. And so from a leisure perspective, we’re very encouraged. Obviously, it won’t last forever, but we are making sure that we continue to make improvements and enhancements in the hotels so that we’re continuing to improve the value proposition long term so that even as rates may start to slow from a growth perspective, we have reasons to continue moving our pricing, or at least hold.

Smedes Rose

Analyst

Great color. Thanks for that, Patrick, and then just as the follow up, so for thinking about this level of demand into next year. Can you help us think about the cost environment? So Mark gave some detail on this in his prepared remarks, but just help us think about the bridge of sort of how much cumulative inflation we should be thinking about. So it’s a fancy way of saying, are margin sustainable as we think about kind of the remaining two quarters this quarter, and the remaining two quarters of this year heading into next? Or do we need to be thinking about pressures there as it relates to the inflation side as a partial offset to the growth you’re seeing on the top line?

Colin Reed

Management

Yes. Obviously stuff that we spend a lot of time thinking about, and certainly in our hotel business, having very extensive discussions with our friends from Marriott, we took an initiative last year, basically with Marriott to say, we’ve got to re-engineer the organization of these massive hotels that employ anywhere from 1,250 to 1,750 people. And we’ve been able to do that and particularly on the labor side. And Mark, you want to talk a little bit about what we’ve been able to accomplish on the labor side and what we believe the impacts of that would be for next year.

Mark Fioravanti

Management

Yes. I mean, we, as Colin said, we work with Marriott to restructure leadership, which is really supervisors above and where we’re currently tracking in the second quarter, our total leadership headcount across the portfolio is down a couple 100, about 15%. So there’s some efficiencies created there and also creates opportunities for those leaders to have an increased span of control. So as you think about leaders growing their career, and developing their skills, it creates awe think a higher quality leaders that move up through the ranks. So we have a decline in management costs. If you look at the second quarter, our hours per occupied room was down about 10%. So we’re seeing some more efficiency there. And then, as I mentioned in the remarks, our wage rate is up about 90%. And when you look at the wage margin, second quarter, it actually improved 50 basis points. So all of these efficiencies coupled with some of the pricing strengthened we’ve seen certainly we think that the margins that we’re seeing are sustainable. And in fact we’ll expand as we move through this year, and next year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jay Kornreich with SMBC. Your line is now open.

Jay Kornreich

Analyst · SMBC. Your line is now open.

Thanks. Good morning. Congrats on the quarter. So the leads are transient segment is clearly been quite strong for you with the record ADRs as talked about and perhaps may want to retain a greater exposure to the segment coming forward than the 20% of demand historically. But as we’re facing some macro headwinds and fears of recession, which will give some commentary on do you think trying to lean more into the future of group bookings, which may be more sticky or the thought to continue to push the leader demand kind of as much as you can while you can.

Colin Reed

Management

Yes, another very good question. Another question that we spend a lot time thinking about. So, first of all, on the group side. When you think about this core group of consumers that we really focus on, which is the 600 plus, at peak, we have such a short small market share of these groups. And if we can generate 80 to 100 of those groups per hotel per year, these hotels run at about 80 points of occupancy, and our goal is to absolutely generate that level of sustainable group demand into these hotels. That’s why over COVID, we have sat with our friends at Marriott and said, we want to increase the quality and the quantity of group sales bodies that are focused exclusively to our particular brand. And we’ve done that. And that’s one of the reasons you’re seeing production levels where they are. And we’ve also been I think, looking after these hotels the way we have, the refurbishment of these hotels, we’re able to get this jump in rate that we’ve seen here over the last 12 to 24 months. Now, on the other hand, the leisure side of the business, we’d become a lot more excited about because we have been able to change the rate structure over the last 24 months by about $50, $60 per room sold. And we’ve also tested the thesis through COVID some waves, and what that has done, what the amount of rooms is generated outside of the room spent. So I will tell you this that we spent a lot of time over the last few months, thinking about the next things that we do to stimulate the leisure side of this business, because we’re not satisfied as a company running these hotels at 80 points of occupancy, 75 to 80 points of occupancy. We want to push that occupancy up and improve the profitability of these hotels. So I don’t think you’re going to see a major change in the percentage of leisure business that we’re doing. But I think you’re going to continue to see us adding amenities upping rate, improving profitability. And I think we may put more resources to the group side. Because our sense is that way we have treated the meeting planner through COVID, the meeting planning community likes what we were doing. And so I know that’s again, a long winded answer to a very, it sounds a simple question, but it’s a very complex question. And I really do think that we can gain share in group. But I think at the same time by increase improving the amenities grow leisure room nights, too.

Mark Fioravanti

Management

When you look at the second quarter, our mix was essentially 75% growth 25% transient. So it’s pretty consistent with our historic mix. And when we look at transient room nights, quarter-over-quarter, ‘19 versus ‘22 they’re essentially flat. So it’s we are through investment, we are driving better rates on transient, but we’re not. We haven’t kind of artificially needed a transient drive to drive occupancy. It’s really our business coming back to its kind of post-pandemic, or pre-pandemic form. But we’ve been able to re-price the business.

Colin Reed

Management

Yes and I would say that for the full year just further expand the Mark’s point, we would expect to be about 70% group 30% transient. So to both their points, we’re really just trying to grow the overall pie, not shift the mix between the two segments.

Mark Fioravanti

Management

We keep pushing on the living daylights out of right.

Jay Kornreich

Analyst · SMBC. Your line is now open.

That’s all really helpful color. And then it gets just specifically on the Gaylord national. I mean can you give some commentary on that been a bit of a lag group but did have a nice pick up to 64% occupancy in the second quarter. Just any thought you can provide in terms of how you see that trending in the second half of the year and into next year.

Colin Reed

Management

Yes. We’re really pleased with how national was close to an additional 16 to 18 months longer than the remainder of the brand. And so a little bit more challenged as far as recovering in the DC market has shown some challenges and recovering, but we’re very pleased with where it’s heading. Obviously, that hotel relies little bit more on the group side. But what we’ve been able to accomplish during the shutdown period, and since it’s been reopened is to increase the flexibility and operations to refresh the product both in rooms and food and beverage to upgrade the quality of our management team and to really recast the culture there. So we expect to see Gaylord National continuing to recover. And I would say 2023 our expectations is that will be a very favorable year, and that hotels should be catching back up to it’s 2019 levels and potentially exceeding them similar to what the rest of the brand has done already this year.

Operator

Operator

Our last question will come from Bill Crows with Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Bill Crows

Analyst

Apologize, I have a couple of questions, feel free to give us short answers. Just clarification with the cancellation inefficiencies. Are they recognized when they’re actually paid, or are they when that occurs in the actual quarter, I’m trying to see what sort of lag we’re dealing with. And kind of the anticipation for the third quarter.

Colin Reed

Management

Yes we only recognize the revenue once it’s actually received that may correspond to when the room nights were supposed to travel, and they are not. But we only recognize the revenue once it’s received.

Bill Crows

Analyst

So it’s possible you could double book right, you could double that and resell the rooms. Is there some of that what goes on?

Colin Reed

Management

Yes, there is. Some groups include rebook clauses so that if we do book additional rooms, or groups into the pattern that they’ve left open with their cancellation, they get some credit for that. Some groups do not include that in their contract. So there are opportunities to potentially double dip at times.

Bill Crows

Analyst

Patrick, I’m going to stay with you. Just to help me understand whether we should be really excited about the fact that 601,000 rooms that were booked in the second quarter is terrific. And the headline 15% up from ‘19 sounds terrific. But if these rooms are all booked for 2024, 2025, I don’t know that that 15% keeps up with inflation. So help us understand about how we feel about that act?

Patrick Chaffin

Analyst

Yes, that’s a great question. And the reality is, we’re not to the level that we need to be yet. We are ramping. The sales team is incentivized this year to start pushing group rate and they started moving in that direction. And we’ve seen great results. But to your point, we still have a ways to go. So if you think about it as a C-130, trying to get off the runway, we’ve got them mobilized. We’ve got them focused. They are getting great results, but there’s still a lot of runway to get down before we get the plane fully up in the air. So we would expect to see group rate continue to grow. And then we’ll see whether or not we actually end up in a better position, maybe if a recession does occur, which is not a good thing. But it could slow down the inflationary environment. And we end up with a group rate much higher on the books than what actually materializes post recession.

Colin Reed

Management

It’s important also to note Bill that when you consider in the year for the year group, transient business and outside the room spending, the vast majority of our revenue is actually transacted in the year. So we do have the opportunity to move pricing in those areas and combat inflation if it continues to run a high level.

Bill Crows

Analyst

I appreciate that. And Colin, maybe for you. My last question, just on the entertainment side. Tours are normalizing I guess. I don’t remember in all the years that we’ve covered you. You’ve talked about touring impacting your ticket sales at the Opry and I’m just this is something new, at least that I am hearing them. And I’m just curious whether there’s maybe so many downtown options that also has impacted demand.

Mark Fioravanti

Management

Yes. So what happens in a non-pandemic environment is that artists will do, the big artists will do a stadium tour every other year. The not so big artist will do arena tour every other year and that’s just the way the cycle works. And so there is always a few artists that are not out on the road. What has happened here is nobody’s been out on the road for the last two years. And so everybody now is out on the road. I mean, that’s just what is going on here. And it’s just a little bit more of a challenge. And but it’s not something that is going to be with us for a long time. I mean, it just is.

Colin Reed

Management

Yes and the other thing I will be able to add is the hotel seeing the same thing. We have a lot of tour and travel business comes through in the fourth quarter that comes to see both the Opry as well as the holiday program in the hotel. It is a little bit older demographic. And so they’ve been a little bit more hesitant to get back out on the road and travel around. These are the buses that have a little bit older demographic on them. And so we expect to see them come back, but it’ll probably be 2023, before that segment fully recovers. So we’ve seen it consistently, both of the hotels as well as we’ve seen at the opera.

Mark Fioravanti

Management

Yes, so many of these bus operators had a terrible time through the pandemic. I mean these older folks are not out of out driving around America. It’s in the process of recovery. And but look, the point that Mark made Bill in his comments a few minutes ago, our businesses are tremendously over pre-pandemic levels. And this business is going to be really good next year and really good the year after, and we just got a little bit of a timing issue around the edges. It’s the opposite of what’s going on in our hotel business.

Operator

Operator

Next question will be from Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Chris Woronka

Analyst

Hi, guys, really appreciate you squeezing me in at the end there. Colin this is more of a I guess a hypothetical question. I mean, two years ago, we were thinking about what group business is going to look like in the future. And here we are. You’re getting good rates. But the question is, has behavior groups, as you see a change at all? Maybe it’s a geographic question. Maybe it’s a type of group kind of question. Are you seeing any changes? Or want to utilize the group meeting space?

Colin Reed

Management

The answer to the question is there are so many groups that absolutely want to get back to meeting people have recognized that being locked up in a basement is not ideal for long term health and viability of businesses. And we’re seeing a lot of groups wanting to meet and that’s just, it’s what we’re doing on. Patrick you were at a big sales meeting a couple of weeks ago. You want to just.

Mark Fioravanti

Management

Yes, absolutely. Hey Chris it’s good to talk to you. I will tell you, we talked about meeting planners or sales teams talk to a lot of folks. In fact, there’s a huge event going on here in Nashville right now with 2022. And there’s been a very consistent message back from meeting planners. And that is yes, we understand there are recessionary fears, we understand the volatility that we’ve seen in the second quarter. But until that materializes, and we absolutely have to take different action, we’re going to continue to meet because we are way-way behind and backlogged in getting our groups together, and it is hurting our businesses. And so we’ve got to get folks face to face again. And I will tell you, I mean, it kind of proves itself out and what we saw in the second quarter and think about the amount of volatility in the market, the amount of uncertainty and economic fears out there in the second quarter. And yet our groups picked up much better than we were expecting and what we had washed them down to. So they materialized in greater numbers. They materialized with better outside the room span really anticipated, even in the midst of all the volatility and uncertainty that was going on in the second quarter. So what they’re saying to us is very clear, we’re going to continue moving forward and try to cut down on that backlog of meetings. And if we have to take action, we’ll take it at the appropriate time. But I think one of the messages I’ve heard over and over again, is we’ve seen the value of meeting face to face, and we need to make sure that that doesn’t disappear from our horizon at any point in the future.

Chris Woronka

Analyst

Very helpful. Appreciate the details, guys. Thanks again.

Colin Reed

Management

I think Katie, we’re done. Appreciate everyone being on the call this morning. If you have any follow up questions you know how to get a hold of us. So appreciate everything. Thank you. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s event, you may now disconnect.