Ben Palmer
Analyst · Morgan Stanley
Yeah, I would say – I would add that, obviously, clearly the fourth quarter of last year was a difficult quarter, you know, a lot of noise or no noise. Not much going on in the fourth quarter, but we came out early in the first quarter of this year, and as the numbers indicate, there was some progression, some nice, nice improvements. So at this point, this is all about pulling back, focusing inwardly on you know, what we need to do to restructure the business and look at our costs. And I would say, you know, in terms of color, our pricing, you know, we did have, you know, slight you know, we worked with some of our customers where there was, you know, appropriate utilization and activity levels, a little bit of pricing, but you know, we've been down at that low levels, we're not going down significantly, we need to make sure that we're generating sufficient cash, you know, we don't want to work just to work, especially in this environment. So, we'll be, you know, looking at that very closely being, you know, highly disciplined about, you know, making sure that we're, again, making some positive contributions to our, certainly our overhead and eventually the bottom line. So, fair question, but again, a very volatile time right now that you know, the markets going down one nice thing or one thing that's easier about this downturn than it was in [2015, 2016] is we've arrived in a matter of weeks. It's something that is – no there's not – clearly everything could go to absolutely zero, but we have gotten to a very low level of activity we had already reduced our cost our costs have been reduced further. So, we're down at a low level now before [2015 and 2016]. Obviously, as Jim alluded to, it was just a slow grind over a long period of time not knowing if it was about the bounce back or not. So, how low could we go in terms of pricing and should we be cutting costs deeper knowing that we could get a rebound. This time, it's just a lot more clear. So in some respects, that makes some of the decision making a little easier. So, now it's all going to be about survival and we will survive. I talked about the tax refund. We'll be able to the extent we have operating losses, and in 2020 we'll be able to carry that back. We have plenty of room from a federal carry back perspective to carry back any losses we generate this year back and get $0.35 on the dollar. So, we've got – with working capital 2019 tax refund, 2020 tax refund, we have a lot of liquidity on the horizon. So, we're not concerned about that in the short-term. This is all going to be about, you know, again, the direction of business and how far it goes down. And we'll make again, we'll need to make adjustments as we need to, based on what the business is telling us, our activity levels and what we see in the future.