Richardson Electronics, Ltd. (RELL) Q2 2026 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Richardson Electronics Earnings Call for the Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2026. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's call is being recorded. I would now like to hand it over to your speaker, Ed Richardson, CEO. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thank you all for joining Richardson Electronics conference call for the second quarter of fiscal year 2026. We appreciate your continued support and interest in Richardson Electronics. Joining me today are Bob Ben, Chief Financial Officer; Wendy Diddell, Chief Operating Officer; Greg Peloquin, General Manager of our Power & Microwave Technologies and Green Energy Solutions Group and Jens Ruppert, General Manager of Canvys. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be available for playback. I would also like to remind you that we're making forward-looking statements that are based on current expectations and involve risks and uncertainties. Therefore, our actual results could be materially different. Please refer to our press release and SEC filings for an explanation of our risk factors. I'm pleased to report that Richardson Electronics has achieved 6 consecutive quarters of year-over-year growth. underscoring the progress we're making in executing our multiyear strategy. This growth reflects our continued repositioning toward higher growth end markets, and the expanding contribution from our engineered solutions. Equally important, these results are driven by the strength of our people. While investors are familiar with our senior leadership team, we've been intentionally investing across the organization to build depth, diversity and technical expertise throughout our ranks. I believe we have assembled one of the strongest and most motivated teams in the company's history, positioning Richardson Electronics for long-term sustainable value creation. Looking at our Q2 FY '26 results. Total sales were $52.3 million, up from $49.5 million in Q2 of last year driven by sales growth in our Green Energy and Canvys businesses. Operating income improved to $132,000 versus a loss of $667,000 last year. Within our GES business unit, we're very pleased with the year-over-year growth as well as sequential quarter-over-quarter growth. Both onshore wind and EV sales were up over the prior year in Green Energy segment, reflecting higher sales from existing customers as well as sales from new products and expanded customer base. Canvys revenue exceeded the prior year by 28% on improved demand from our medical OEMs. It's important to note that the sales growth was partially offset by the inclusion of our health care business in both the current year and the prior quarters. As a reminder, we sold the majority of our health care business in Q3 of FY '25. So this will impact our year-over-year comparisons through the end of Q3 this year. We also remain focused on managing expenses and improving inventory turns. Our cash position remains strong at $33.1 million providing us with flexibility to support both our ongoing operations and strategic growth opportunities. I'll now turn the call over to Bob Ben, our Chief Financial Officer; who will provide a detailed review of our second quarter results and capital positions. Following Bob's remarks, Greg and Jens will provide updates on our business units and then Wendy will follow up with the progress we are making executing again on our multiyear growth strategies.

Thank you, Ed, and good morning. I will review our financial results for our second quarter and first 6 months of fiscal year 2026 followed by a review of our cash position. Consolidated net sales increased 5.7% to $52.3 million compared to net sales of $49.5 million in the prior year second quarter. When excluding health care, for which the majority of assets were sold in January 2025, net sales increased by 9.0%. Please note that health care results, including prior periods are consolidated into the PMT segment beginning in fiscal 2026. This was our sixth consecutive quarterly year-over-year increase in sales. Second quarter net sales growth was led by a 39.0% increase in GES sales, driven by an increase in power management products. Canvys sales increased 28.1% and which primarily reflected higher sales in North America. Sales for PMT were 4.0% below the second quarter of fiscal 2025. Excluding health care, PMT sales were approximately flat. Consolidated gross margin for the second quarter was 30.8% of net sales compared to 31.0% during the second quarter of fiscal 2025. The slight decrease in consolidated gross margin was primarily due to lower margin in PMT and GES, partially offset by higher margin in Canvys. Operating expenses as a percentage of net sales improved to 30.5% for the second quarter of fiscal 2026 compared to 32.3% in the second quarter of fiscal 2025. Operating income improved to $0.1 million for the second quarter of fiscal 2026 from an operating loss of $0.7 million in the prior year second quarter. Net loss was $0.1 million for the second quarter of fiscal 2026 compared to $0.8 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2025. Net loss per common share diluted was $0.01 in the second quarter of fiscal 2026 compared to $0.05 in the second quarter of fiscal 2025. EBITDA for the second quarter of fiscal 2026 improved to $0.7 million versus breakeven in the prior year second quarter. Please note that EBITDA is a non-GAAP financial measure and a reconciliation of the non-GAAP item to the comparable GAAP measure is available in our second quarter fiscal year 2026 press release that was issued yesterday after the market closed. Turning to a review of the results for the first 6 months of fiscal year 2026. Net sales were $106.9 million, an increase of $3.6 million from $103.2 million in the first 6 months of fiscal year 2025, which reflected higher sales across our business segments, except for PMT. When excluding health care, consolidated net sales increased by 7.8% and PMT net sales increased by 5.2%. Gross margin was 30.9% of net sales which was a slight increase from the first 6 months of fiscal 2025. As a percentage of net sales, operating expenses for the first 6 months of the fiscal year improved to 29.8% from 31.1% for the first 6 months of the prior fiscal year. Operating income for the first 6 months of fiscal year 2026 was $1.1 million as compared to an operating loss of $0.4 million for the first 6 months of fiscal year 2025. The company reported net income of $1.8 million or $0.12 per diluted common share for the first 6 months of fiscal year 2026 versus a net loss of $0.2 million or $0.01 per diluted common share for the first 6 months of fiscal year 2025. EBITDA for the first 6 months of fiscal 2026 was $4.0 million versus $1.7 million in the prior year's first 6 months. Turning to a review of our cash position. Cash and cash equivalents at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2026 were $33.1 million compared to $35.7 million at the end of the first quarter of fiscal 2026. Capital expenditures of $1.6 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2026 were primarily related to our manufacturing business, facilities improvements and IT systems versus $0.5 million in the second quarter of fiscal year 2025. We paid $0.9 million in the second quarter for cash dividends. In addition, based on our current financial position, our Board of Directors declared a regular quarterly cash dividend of $0.06 per common share, which will be paid in the third quarter of fiscal 2026. As of the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2026, the company had no outstanding debt on its revolving line of credit with PNC Bank. Now I will turn the call over to Greg, who will provide more details for our PMT and GES business groups.

Thank you, Bob, and good morning, everyone. GES and PMT are key components of our multiyear growth plan. Coming out of FY '25, we had strong backlog. We launched several new products, expanded our customer base and advanced multiple development programs from beta testing to preproduction. This momentum continued into Q1 and into Q2. Building on this progress in Q2 of fiscal year 2026, GES grew to $8.3 million, a 39% increase over prior year and 14% increase over this year's first quarter. As we continue to see the amazing adoption of our Pitch Energy Modules for various wind turbine platforms with owner operators and other related power management products throughout the world. PMT sales were $35.2 million in the quarter a 4% decrease over prior year. This reflects a slight slowdown in the electronic device MRO business, offset by growth in the RF and Wireless Components business unit. Our GES strategy centered on power management applications. We've rapidly designed multiple products, secured patents and built a strong base of customers and partners. Our success is evident in our growing sales pipeline as we capitalize on numerous growth opportunities to support new power management requirements and significant energy transformation opportunities. Our Pitch Energy Modules and related wind energy products led GES quarter-over-quarter growth. We continue to gain market share by developing new products and solutions that are accepted by our customers, and the team is doing a great job expanding this program globally. We serve dozens of wind turbine owners operators including exclusive partnerships with the top 4 owner operators of GE wind turbines such as RWE, Invenergy, Enel and NextEra. We also saw growth from our new multi-brand PEM turbine platforms. We continue to grow this program internationally, expanding into Europe and Asia with new products for other turbine platforms such as Suzlon, Senvion, Nordex and SSB. We have now received orders from customers in Brazil, Australia, India, France and Italy in addition to our strong rollout in North America. We are entering the back half of FY '26 with solid momentum. We recently added key technology partners such as KEBA, Goshen and Wulong, who play critical roles in both wind power management and energy storage systems. Key initiatives include faster design to production cycles supported by a new design center in Sweetwater, Texas. Sweetwater has one of the largest concentrations of wind turbine and power management engineers in North America. Expanding our design team to accelerate and enhance design cycles prior to transitioning work to our world-class manufacturing and test group in LaFox, Illinois. This is one of our most critical strategic priorities underway. We expect to have the Sweetwater design center fully operational in Q3 of FY '26. We are also adding key people from the industry to help expedite growth. We are on schedule to complete our Illinois-based demo center in Q4 FY '26. This demo site will allow us to showcase our active BES solutions to potential customers. We are currently collaborating with numerous customers on BES systems that we can support with our current technology partners. In fact, we booked our first system at the end of December. Our GES products and technology partners support our niche product strategies as it appears federal subsidies will be harder to get under the current administration. Looking at our new ESS project and strategies, we are focused on sales in key states, and we'll continue to offer large subsidies such as Illinois, Massachusetts and California. We are also expediting our efforts to expand global market penetration of our power management products for Green Energy applications focusing on Europe and Asia. Currently, about 70% of our GES sales are in North America. Turning to Power & Microwave Technologies Group or PMT, which includes our Electron Device Group, EDG, and our legacy tube semiconductor wafer fab equipment business and the RF and Microwave Components Group, or PMG. In the quarter, we did see some sales growth, led by increased demand in our RF and Microwave Components business as we see growth in RF and wireless applications such as SATCOM and military applications, including radar and drone technology. While semi fab sales were flat in the quarter, we are encouraged by our customers' forecast indicating growth for the rest of the fiscal year. Looking ahead, we are excited about the strategic initiatives across PMT and GES, including our ESS program, global expansion of our key products and new technology partnerships. While we are navigating a higher degree of uncertainty associated with the impact of tariffs and market conditions, we are pursuing opportunities that may come from these disruptions. We are investing in infrastructure, expanding our design and field engineering teams and enhancing our in-house design and manufacturing capabilities. To support growing demand and innovation, our engineering teams continue to identify new customers and opportunities. Our global capabilities and global go-to-market strategy set us apart from our competition in power management, RF and microwave and green energy markets. We have developed a business model that combines legacy products with new technology partners and solutions allowing our growth strategy to deliver engineered solutions to a global customer base. This model differentiates us from our competition. We are working on these initiatives alongside marketing, our manufacturing design services to companies who need partners in the U.S. to manufacture, test and support products currently made in other countries. We acknowledge there are a lot of moving parts but we have successfully used our global resources, infrastructure and capabilities to mitigate the effect of these situations like this in the past. So in summary, we remain optimistic about our growing project-based business, even though it remains hard to forecast. We continue to increase our technology partners, design opportunities and engineering staff. We have a new technology partnerships that fill technology gaps. We have proven strategy of identifying opportunities in the multibillion-dollar markets we serve. As a result, we continue to feel FY '26 will be another growth year for both PMT and GES. And with that, I'll turn it over to Jens to discuss Canvys.

Thanks, Greg, and good morning, everyone. Canvys engineers, manufacturers and sells custom displays to original equipment manufacturers across global industrial and medical markets. It is our mission to deliver high-quality display solutions tailored to our customers' needs. Canvys reported revenues of $8.8 million in the second quarter of fiscal year 2026 an increase of 28.1% from $6.8 million in the same quarter of the previous year. Our gross margin as a percentage of net sales increased to 32.6% from 31.7% in the second quarter of fiscal '25, primarily due to product mix. The backlog at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2026 remained strong at $38.0 million, providing a robust foundation for future business. During this most recent quarter, Canvys secured orders from both repeat and new medical OEM customers for a range of applications. Our primary focus remains on robotic-assisted surgery, navigation endoscopy and human machine interface HMI solutions for the control of medical devices. Furthermore, our solutions are widely utilized in various commercial and industrial applications. For instance, our products enhance passenger information systems in trains and buses and improve HMI technologies used in printing, vending, billing and packaging equipment. Our initiatives focus on increasing Canvys' visibility and market leadership by seeking new opportunities, building customer relationships and collaborating within the industry to drive growth. Looking ahead, while the business is still project focused and can therefore vary quarter by quarter, we are cautiously optimistic about improving demand in our markets. Positive indicators such as increasing request for quotes and encouraging customer feedback suggest steady growth. Our dedicated sales team continues to explore new opportunities while are focused on implementing strategic plans to ensure sustainable growth and deliver long-term value for our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Wendy.

Thank you, Jens, and good morning, everyone. While the remainder of our health care business, including the manufacturer and repair of certain CT tubes is included in PMT, I want to continue providing key highlights as we go through this transition period over the remaining quarters of FY '26. As a reminder, we sell CT tubes exclusively to DirectMed as part of the January 2025 sale and distribution agreements. Over the last quarter, we continued to make excellent progress finishing production of our ALTA tubes. We should wrap this up by the end of third quarter of this fiscal year. We've also made good strides during the recent quarter repairing Siemens Straton Z tubes. We are preparing to launch the repaired Siemens MX series as early as the fourth quarter of this fiscal year. Given the health care transaction occurred in Q3 FY '25, Q2 and Q3 of FY '26 will continue to show unfavorable comparisons. However, the combination of completing the production of the ALTA tubes and expanding our Siemens program for DirectMed will result in an improvement to our bottom line beginning in FY '27. Switching to an overview of our multiyear strategy. We continue to focus on accelerating growth and improving efficiency. In the second quarter, we had significant growth in our Green Energy business unit, reflecting our ongoing investment in this sector and the benefit of new products generating revenue. Today, we are shipping our Pitch Energy Modules for nearly all GE manufactured turbines to an expanded customer and geographic mix. There are several additional products in development and test that should start contributing to revenue growth in calendar year 2027. We also continue to make progress developing a world-class battery energy storage design center at our LaFox facility. As we've mentioned before, the demand for battery energy storage continues to accelerate and our turnkey solutions and technology partners position us to capitalize on that growth. In the quarter, we added several projects to our pipeline, including one that closed end of December. Our made in America activities are also generating interest. We are utilizing existing customer and supplier relationships to promote our engineering and manufacturing capabilities here in the U.S. We've reached the quoting and prototype stage on several programs, primarily taking advantage of our PCB facility as well as our battery knowledge. This isn't a fast process but the upside of new programs will play a key role in fully utilizing our factory and resources. Finally, we are expecting stronger demand for our engineered solutions within the semiconductor wafer fab equipment market, well into calendar year 2026 and beyond. This growth is tied to the ongoing benefit of AI on equipment demand throughout the world. We are well positioned to benefit from growth in memory-related applications. This growth takes advantage of our existing resources and manufacturing facilities as well. We remain focused on efficiency and cash generation. The period of elevated inventory investment relating to a single critical supplier is nearing completion as that supplier prepares to exit production of powergrid tubes. We expect final inventory receipts of approximately EUR 1.5 million in the first quarter of calendar year 2026, after which inventory levels should normalize and cash conversion improve. This inventory provides product coverage through 2030. We have identified alternative supply sources with sufficient time to ensure continuity, quality and fulfillment of customer demand. Outside this area of growth, we continue to focus on controlling inventory and improving turns. We have also initiated a disciplined cost-controlled effort to explore the benefits of AI by creating an enterprise-wide AI steering committee. This effort is expected to create a road map focused on practical high ROI applications across our global operations. The goal is to drive efficiencies, improve decision-making and reduce manual workload while maintaining strong governance around security, data privacy and responsible AI use. Importantly, this initiative is designed to leverage our internal teams with clear milestones and tight scope controls, ensuring we capture meaningful benefits without significant incremental cost. Longer term, we remain focused on driving growth through a combination of organic initiatives and a disciplined approach to acquisitions. We continue to evaluate opportunities thoughtfully with an emphasis on leveraging our existing capabilities and global infrastructure to support sustainable growth. We believe our current strategic initiatives position us well to drive revenue and profitability over time while we remain patient and selective as we consider potential longer-term acquisition opportunities. I'll now turn the call back over to Ed.

Thanks, Wendy. In closing, our results this quarter demonstrate the strength of our strategy and the resilience of our business model. It also reflects the talent of this management team to adjust to constantly changing market conditions. By sharpening our focus on repeatable sales, driving strong cash flow and building on our scale across power management and alternative energy solutions, we're positioning the company for long-term success. At the same time, we remain disciplined in our commitment to improving profitability. These priorities give us the confidence in our ability to deliver sustainable value for our shareholders, customers and employees as we move forward. We'll now open the call for questions.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from the line of Bobby Brooks from Northland.

You mentioned how overall GES backlog declined, but that core backlog grew. Could you just discuss what would be considered core backlog versus noncore?

Sure, Bobby. This is Greg. So the backlog -- so sales were up 39% and backlog was down $57,000. That's not too bad. You grow 39% your backlog only decreases $57,000. So when I talk about core backlog, we have the products that you and I have talked about, the Pitch Energy Modules and everything else. We also have a group of customers that are -- we're selling components into that are building Green Energy products. It's a much smaller portion of GES, but that's what we call the noncore and that book-to-bill was down. But if you look at the core business, which is 95% of it, the book-to-bill was 1.10 on 39% growth and of course, 15% above that. So we're very excited about the business -- core business that we talked to you about that you know about. Those are the products that are growing.

Got it. That's helpful and really good to hear. And then maybe what's -- what's the right way to think about cadence of orders turning to backlog and then revenues within GES? Like are there certain product lines that can be booked and shipped inter-quarter? And that maybe was a dynamic that spurred the strong GES sales in the quarter?

Exactly, Bobby. So as these products come out, they go from alpha beta to production, and then once that happens, you see we have new customers every quarter, new sales. And so that business is what led to the growth. And as you know, we're expanding that model, which is about 85% North America, expanding it into Europe. So we had wins in Europe that we booked and then wins in Asia that we booked. So that core business that we talk about that's growing quite heavily, and we continue to get new customers and backlog. So we're starting to understand what the annual usage is. And so we're trying to get ahead of the game and build products for stock. It's a guessing game. They do give us a forecast, but they're terrible forecast. So in Q2, we did ship a lot of product from stock. So that's a book-to-bill of 1. That's flat bookings or backlog, and that's where you saw it. So the team has done a great job working with these key customers, trying to develop their annual needs. And then when they come in for 1,000 units, just kind of out of the blue Bobby, I know a couple of those were able to ship from stock. So that's how it's working. And we're continuing to try to make sure we have inventories so we can ship from stock. But in a very positive way, we're seeing higher demand than what we're building.

Our next question will come from the line of Anja Soderstrom from Sidoti.

So I'm just curious with the GE approval list for the [ ULTRA1000 ], where do you -- and what kind of opportunity could that present?

Say it again, Anja. For the what product?

The [ ULTRA1000 ] for the GE approval list.

I think Anja is asking about the GE, where do we stand with GE getting approval for the -- for your ULTRA3000.

Okay, yes. So...

Okay. I am sorry, just mixed up.

So Anja, we have GE approval. We're the featured product on their Internet site or their marketplace product. What -- we're not driving this. This is being driven by their customers. So NextEra and Invenergy has been pushing GE because they have a handful of sites where they're using GE services to do maintenance and service. And so all we need to do is have GE. We're going to send them some product, and they're going to try to literally blow it up. I mean it's all about what this product will do so they can improve it from a safety point of view. From a performance point of view and working in their turbines, that's already been approved, that's already done. So we've been going back and forth with an NDA. I've worked for a $30 billion big company -- for the $30 billion company before, and it just -- it takes time. So we have an agreed NDA. We signed it. We sent it back to them. We're expecting it back. But I will tell you, Anja, these people aren't waiting. In fact, we booked a large number of business that they said, you know what, will outsource this ourselves. We won't use GE services to install these Ultra3000s, which we've been buying for other sites for 3 or 4 years. So it really right now, I don't see it being a slowdown of any sort. We have more than enough business right now. It will be an upside. But I wouldn't doubt if they just say, you know what, we're not going to use your services to do our Pitch Energy Modules because these things are such a cost savings to these owner operators and they eliminate a huge problem that they have, I don't think they're going to wait for this. So this is being driven by GE's customers. We're just supporting it. But again, we finally have an agreed NDA because I'm not sending them any product without an NDA. We're going to send them products here this quarter, they'll test them, and then they'll say, okay, their service group can install these into the turbines. But it's interesting, some of these owner operators aren't waiting for them. They're just doing it themselves and installing it themselves or outsourcing it.

Okay. That was helpful. And then what's kind of margin impact does the medical have. What kind of opportunity do you see there as you conclude that supply agreement?

Okay. So this is Wendy. Year-to-date, the overall hit to the gross margin in PMT has been almost negligible. It's about a 0% gross margin, so we're not experiencing a huge hit there. It's the addition of the SG&A. And on a year-to-date basis, while we're doing better than we anticipated with that, we still are losing money. As we mentioned in the call, we anticipate finishing up the ALTA tube production in the third quarter. And when we conclude that, and we're focusing then strictly on the repair of the Siemens tubes. We expect that to turn to a profitable bottom line contribution. So I'm estimating, we're estimating at this point that, that will begin in Q1 of FY '27, but we're going to do everything we can to pull that into Q4.

And then you're sitting on some cash, and we expect cash flow to improve as you are finishing building up the inventory for the powergrid tubes. What do you plan to do with all the cash?

Well, I'll jump in first and then Ed and Bob can also contribute. The first thing we always remind everybody, Anja, the cash is spread out throughout the world. And I believe today, about 70% of it sits outside the United States in various legal entities. And that cash has to stay there. So while it looks like -- I mean, $33 million is a great number, and we're going to continue to focus on growing that. Please do remember that some of that is not in the United States. So we're going to continue investing in the growth initiatives primarily in the alternative or green energy solutions part of the business. We -- Greg mentioned the Sweetwater, Texas facility and improving our new product development cycle. We're looking at some additional both sales and engineering resources that support that business. So we really want to hold that money that we have in the United States for those type of investments. We are continuing to be very opportunistic and open-minded about small acquisitions. Those would be ones that would be easily bolted on. Again, focused primarily in alternative or power management and focused in areas where they bring in engineering or some type of product that is unique or exclusive to the market. So those are the areas where we're really holding our cash. Ed and Bob may want to add to that.

I can add to that. Anja, it's Bob Ben. Just to let you know, we do -- the cash that we have on hand that we're not necessarily using on a daily basis. We have invested in various money markets, and we're getting an average yield of about 4% right now, just under $10 million of our total cash is invested in that. And so we are doing that and that's what you see on the income statement as investment income, which is located in the other income section of our income statement.

And then a last question in terms of the semiconductor. What do you see there? And do you still expect that to pick up in the second half of '26?

In the semi fab equipment market. Is that your question Anja?

Yes.

Yes, absolutely. From all of our customers in that market segment, they are anticipating solid growth through the rest of calendar year 2026 and beyond. And we're starting to see some of that in our more near-term forecast.

Our next question will come from the line of [ Chip Rui from Rui Asset Management ].

I want to follow up on the semi question that was just asked. I mean it seems memory has gone from dead on arrival to the hottest thing out there. I know you've not exclusively memory on your both sides. But has there been a cadence shift with what your customers have talked about. I know last quarter, Ed said you would finally kind of work through kind of end customer inventory. Can you just give us a little bit more visibility on perhaps a cyclical recovery there? It seems you're still a little low from a revenue and earnings point of view, but historically a large contributor for the company. So kind of when you say there's a better outlook, is it inflected positively? Or are you still hoping it will inflect positively? A little more color on that would be great.

So I'll start on that, [ Chip ]. So as I mentioned, we're starting to see stronger forecast for our Q3 and Q4. Bear in mind that the forecasting is not always the best and it tends to bounce around a lot as we've been discussing really for the last couple of years. But we do see, again, across multiple customers within that channel their input to us is get ready. We are ready. We have the resources. We have the space. It's not going to cost us a lot of money in terms of realizing upside. I also want to point out that on a year-to-date basis, Q1, Q2, we're still up considerably over prior year's first 2 quarters. So we are cautiously to more than cautiously optimistic about Q3 and Q4, and we're ready. So I don't know if that answers your question, maybe you could follow up if you have anything more you want to know.

No, that's helpful. It's just -- I know it's up a little bit, but we're still -- it seems like the industry is gearing for a pretty big upcycle. And even though you're up, you're still nowhere near where you were a couple of years ago. So hopefully, it's some upside. And then I'll just make a comment on the buyback. I've never pushed you guys your buyback. I understand where your cash is globally. But everybody on the call was bullish across the board this morning from pitch energy, not only with GE to global, it seems semi is getting better. You've got new product development. It seems to me the enterprise is inflecting positively on multiple levels, yet your stock is once again down and the analysts are focused on backlog and sequential margin. I know you don't have a lot of cash, but $3 million or $4 million of that cash could be a couple of percent of your market cap. You also have an undrawn revolver, which would be in the U.S. My recommendation is carpe diem. I mean if there's a time to buy stock, it's when it's down and when people don't see the vision that you guys see. It seems to me if what you're saying comes to fruition, this is just an incredible opportunity. So I'll leave that as a comment.

Thanks, [ Chip ]. We appreciate the input.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come as a follow-up from Bobby Brooks from Northland Capital.

Could we maybe just discuss the growth initiatives that you guys launched a couple of quarters ago and kind of how those are progressing in a little bit more detail? Just curious to hear more on that.

Are you referring specifically to the made in America program or specific products under Green Energy?

Just kind of broadly any growth initiatives that came -- that kind of step from the cash that you got from some of the health care business.

I can talk a little bit about the PMG and the PMT and GES business. So as you know, Bobby, the growth initiatives were: one, to expand internationally, the product; two, implement our energy storage system program and continue to add new products. And all of those were successful in the past 2 quarters. So on the global expansion, as I think we've talked about, we now have orders and have shipped orders into Asia and Europe. We are coming out 3 new product -- I'm sorry, 2 new products in Q2 from our new Sweetwater design center that are already in beta testing with a couple of very large owner operators. So we'll introduce those and we fully expect to start receiving bookings for that. And on the ESS side, we rolled it out. We have technology partners. And in December, we booked our first order for energy storage system with the town or the city or city of Goleta, California for their water waste treatment facility. We will also be supplying the solar panels for that and the energy storage system. Through that process, it kind of confirmed that our niche approach going after utility and small -- comparatively small, very large to us, 2-megawatt type systems. That was booked in December. And we have a list of other ones that we're pursuing in quoting. These quotes are 10 to 15 pages a piece. But we're still very excited about our strategy in terms of technology partners that component business grew. Our Engineered Solutions business grew. We've added new products. And then the BES thing as we grow it, we really feel strongly, especially for the State of Illinois, once that demo center is in place and people can see it. See how it works and see we would train them and educate them on how to get all these rebates that the State of Illinois gives the best in the nation, even better than California. So those are our main initiatives, and we have traction. I'm not a patient person. It's never been one of my attributes of the few I have. But we continue to push, and we continue to every month, get some sort of success and a handful of indications that we have the right strategy, the right technology partners and a real niche that we found in these multibillion-dollar markets.

And Bobby, I would just add to that -- okay, go ahead.

No, you go. You go.

I was just going to add in terms of other investment areas. When you look at our SG&A, you're going to see that's relatively flat. Our headcount is flat. What we're doing there is as we have normal turnover, we are reallocating those resources to the high-growth areas that Greg just went through. So you're not -- no one should expect a huge pop in the SG&A as a result of these investments. We've talked about the spend on the Thales inventory, and that should be ramping up. So that's one area where we've continued to spend some money. On CapEx, Bob mentioned in his script that we've made some necessary facility and IT improvements. We also added a second PC board layout facility here, which is playing in nicely with the made in America initiative that we launched a couple of quarters ago. So in general, I think what you're going to see is us moving some things around, again, rationalizing and gaining efficiency from a lot of the people and the resources that we already have.

That's great to hear. And then just one clarification, Greg, in your opening remarks, you kind of mentioned some tailwinds in the PMT business and some -- and what seemed to be some headwinds in the business as well, like that occurred intra-quarter. Could you just expand or talk about that again and maybe expand on it a little bit more? Or -- and maybe I was missing the ball, too.

Yes. I mean I don't know of any substantial tailwinds in PMT. We obviously have a good grasp on the semiconductor market. We have seen some strong revenue and bookings on the RF and wireless side. We're seeing -- and just a reminder, Bobby, at one time before we sold it, that group was up to $0.5 billion. So we know that market very well, and we have a lot of relationships, and we have probably some of the best RF and wireless suppliers in the world. And we're really seeing some traction again in the quarter from a tailwind point of view in the SATCOM and actually drone markets. And so that was a nice pickup for PMT anyway in terms of sales. It's lower-margin business. It's demand creation, but it's components are made by our technology partners. So that maybe is somewhat of a tailwind in terms of where we saw some upside in PMT and where we will see some upside going forward. Wendy, I'm at Mayo Clinic, everybody. I got -- I have to go a -- meet with my surgeon. However, the last time I was here it was 3.5 years ago with a hip replacement and a half hour after that surgery, I got a call from NextEra with a $10 million order. So I might stay here the weekend and see if I can pick something else up. All right, Wendy.

Thanks, Greg.

Our next question will come from the line of Ross Taylor from ARS Investment Partners.

A couple of quick questions. One, with regard to the semi-cap equipment space, have you guys built prebuilt product for that, it's something on your work in progress or your finished goods inventory line there that you've been -- because you've been preparing for this for some time. It seems that they have been a little slow getting the pull-through.

Ross, yes, we do that where we can. I think we've described the business before as being very high mix, low volume. So it's not the type -- it's not like the ULTRA PEMs or the ULTRA3000s where we can build them. It's all the same products. So we don't have the kind of inventory that maybe you envision of having thousands on the shelf ready to go. But we have good exposure and good track record in terms of what the demand is. And we are certainly doing everything we can to make sure that when those orders come in, they go out almost instantaneously. So little bit of a mixed answer there for you.

Okay. And that's still should be -- historically, it's been -- think about your highest margin business. And I would assume that should you get back to more aggressive run rates, that would return.

It's a good business for us.

Okay. Another quick question. Can you talk about -- give more color on the battery storage opportunities? And what kind of magnitude, what kind of time line are we looking at in that space because it's a fairly -- I mean, it seems to be a very important area we're seeing, whether it's AI data centers or quite honestly, just even factors or others given the nature of the grid.

So Greg, just dropped off, Ross, that would be an area for him to address. But what we can tell you is that his list of opportunities continues to grow. They range right now in size, magnitude anywhere between maybe $0.5 million on the small end to a couple of million or more on the large end. He is focused and the team is focused heavily in the industrial and commercial market, more of the let's look at it as kind of Tier 2, not the data AI centers per se. Those might be a little bit bigger than what we're planning to build. But it's an area where we've seen a lot of strong interest particularly in the states that Greg mentioned where the states are still providing a lot of incentives. But I don't think anybody can pick up anything and read anything without seeing the growth in energy storage requirements. So we fully plan to take advantage of that. And we'll try to bring some more color to that in the next call.

Okay. And do you think -- one like philosophical, you and I've had this question, one of the things that this company has struggled with is it's historically been more of a project-based business. Do you see some of these things we're talking about here, becoming basically run rate businesses where we can kind of see a more steady annual flow through in top and bottom line?

I think you see that already. Certainly, you see that in EDG. We've talked about that. I think you're seeing it in the green energy piece with the wind. And I would expect that not only to continue to grow as we expand both the customer base and the geographic area that we cover. I think those -- I call those bread-and-butter items. I love them because to your point, they're going out on a regular cadence. Some of the train, the EV rail, the -- for example, the starter modules those will be more steady run rate. But we always are focusing on and trying to focus on products that will apply to a much broader market, not simply one customer or one program.

And obviously, success there would be, I think, important. It would take away a lot of the volatility in earnings. And I will offer my comment on buyback. I think my position on it is well known. It's been voiced many times on these calls in the past. What I would say is, I can't believe that your Board doesn't think this company is worth substantially more than book value and you're currently trading at or under book with a substantial 20% of that being cash here or overseas? And so I know what I'd be saying if I sat on your Board, I'd be arguing that this company is worth a lot more than book, and you should be quite comfortable buying it back at under and even around book. So that's coming from, I think, from a long-term shareholder, but someone who really would love to see you guys start to actually become a little more proactive. Don't be so afraid of a tiny little level of debt. So I support the earlier comment that even going into your revolver to buy back $4 million or $5 million worth of stock would be, I think, greatly appreciated by the market and would be reflected in the share price.

And our last question for today will come from the line of [ Brett Davidson ] as a private investor now.

I realize Greg has dropped off the line, but I'm hoping somebody can provide some level of update on the electric locomotive product lines and the manufactured diamond product lines.

All right. I'll start with that. So let's take the latter one first on the diamond. What we've seen there in that market, and I think again, everybody has read about is that, that market became very quickly saturated, oversaturated the synthetic diamond market. And as a result of that, we've seen a slowdown in the demand for those magnetrons that are used in the equipment that manufactures the diamond. When Greg referred earlier to some of the other elements of Green Energy Solution being down, that's one of them. So in that area, it's still out there. We're still selling them. It's just again, an overcapacity of equipment already on the market and certainly an overcapacity of the synthetic diamonds. All right, in terms of the EV rail market, I think Progress Rail recently put out some of its own press that they have recently shipped 2 of the large trains to Australia. So we're pleased to see that. You may recall in FY '23, we shipped a significant amount of batteries that are used in those trains. So we're going to sit back on the sidelines and see how those 2 trains perform in Australia and what that means for the future. On a more steady cadence basis, as I just referred to in my answer to Ross Taylor, is that we are now shipping on a regular run rate, the starter modules, and we expect to see some upside there. So in general, I would say that the EV rail market certainly is favoring more of a hybrid approach. This is outside of Richardson. This is the general market. More of a hybrid approach, but our starter modules, they are used in any train, whether it's diesel, electric or hybrid. So we remain optimistic about growth in that segment of the business as well.

Thank you. And I'm not showing any further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Ed Richardson for closing remarks.

Thanks, Victor. Well, thanks again for joining us today and for your questions during Q&A. We look forward to discussing our performance with you in April. And until then, please don't hesitate to call us at any time. Thank you very much.

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.