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Radware Ltd. (RDWR)

Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, May 3, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. My name is Abby, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Radware conference call discussing first quarter 2022 results, and we thank you all for holding. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on May 3, 2022. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn this call over to Yisca Erez, Director of Investor Relations at Radware. Please go ahead.

Yisca Erez

Analyst

Thank you, Abby. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Radware's First Quarter 202 Earnings Conference Call. Joining me today are Roy Zisapel, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Guy Avidan, Chief Financial Officer. A copy of today's press release and financial statements as well as the investor kit in the first quarter are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. During today's call, we may make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding future events or the future financial performance of the company. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risk and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially from Radware's current forecast and estimates. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, impact from the COVID-19 syndemic, general business conditions and our ability to address changes in our industry, changes in demand for products, the timing and the amount of orders and other risks detailed from time to time in other filings. We refer you to the documents that company files and furnishes from time to time with the SEC, specifically the company's last annual report on Form 20-F as filed on February 11, 2020. We undertake no commitment to revise or update any forward-looking statements in order to reflect events or circumstances after the date of such statement is made. I would like to turn the call to Roy Zisapel.

Roy Zisapel

Analyst

Thank you, Yisca, and thank you all for joining us today. I'd like to begin our call by highlighting the news we released this morning, introducing SkyHawk Security, which is a spinoff of our cloud-native protector business. This spinoff is a strategic step in the cloud services initiatives that we announced a couple of months ago. Before I get into the details about SkyHawk, first, let me take this opportunity to recap our cloud initiatives. Given the large market opportunity in front of us in protecting mission-critical applications and data centers against cyber attacks, we made a strategic decision to focus our investments and accelerate our growth in the cloud security as a service space. In additional style of spinoff, we've taken several other important steps in delivering on this initiative. First, we acquired Security-Dam, our cloud data scrubbing center provider, to leverage assets and synergies and deliver better service to our cloud customers. During the first quarter, we successfully completed the integration of security data. Second, we recently increased the cloud service capacity of our global network to 10 terabits per second. This quarter, we are once again working on expanding our capacity and network footprint to meet incremental demand being driven by the growing volume of cyber attacks and the growth in our customer count. Third, we are expanding our innovation center in India to drive cybersecurity research and development as well as service delivery excellence. Together with our Israeli R&D site, we are focusing on cloud innovation. As part of these innovation efforts, we recently launched Radware Secure Pass, a game-changing new cloud application security architecture. Radware Secure Pass is designed to deliver on our customers' need for consistent, high-grade securities. It offers centralized security management for applications deployed across multi and hybrid cloud environments. Its unique…

Guy Avidan

Analyst

Thank you, Roy, and good day, everyone. I'm excited to be here today for my first earnings call at Radware. I look forward to meeting many of you at upcoming investor events. I'm pleased to provide the analysis of our financial results and business performance for the first quarter of 2022, as well as our outlook for the second quarter of 2022. Before beginning the financial overview, I would like to remind you that unless otherwise indicated, all financial results are non-GAAP. A full reconciliation of our results on GAAP and non-GAAP basis is available in the earnings press release issued earlier today and on the Investors section of our website. We started 2022 on a high note with 10% growth in revenue for the first quarter 2022, reaching $73.7 million in revenue compared to $66.8 million in the same period of last year. Revenue growth was driven primarily by our subscription business. Total ARR increased 9%, reaching $192 million in the quarter and was also driven by cloud and subscription ARR, which grew 20% year-over-year. Looking at geographies. First quarter 2022 revenues in the Americas totaled to $29.5 million, a decrease of 12% versus the first quarter of 2021. Trailing 12-month revenues in the Americas increased by 5% over the previous period. We saw strong growth this quarter in EMEA and APAC. EMEA grew by 33% to $28.1 million, and APAC grew by 34% compared to Q1 2021, reaching $16.1 million. For the trailing 12 months, revenue in EMEA increased 30% and APAC, 12%. Americas and EMEA account for 40% and 38% of total revenue, respectively, and APAC account for the remainder 22% of total revenue. I will now discuss expenses and profits. Gross margin in the first quarter 2022 was 83.2% compared to 82.4% in the same period…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We will take our first question from George Notter with Jefferies.

George Notter

Analyst

I guess I would love to hear more about the rationale behind the spin-off of the cloud-native protection business. Maybe you could kind of give us more on that in terms of what's in it for your customers? How does it affect Radware's financials? I'm interested in how many employees are moving over? And then how do you plan on kind of showing shareholders the value of that investment going forward?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst

Okay. Let me start with the rationale. So as we mentioned, the cloud native protector is focused on public cloud security. The customers, the main customers we have for this product finance friend and the large enterprise and carriers that we have in the other product lines of our customers, and also the competitors are a different set of competitors. As we've mentioned in our cloud initiatives, we really want to be very, very focused on cloud security as a service. The DDoS, the WAF, the API, the bot security for all our customers. And therefore, we thought it makes a lot of sense for us to spin off the public cloud security with its different set of focus areas. This will enable us to attract start-up-based talent to the SkyHawk company and to run it very similar to a fast-growing, somewhat feedback company. We think that would be the best in growing the business, providing our customers with faster development and better product line down the road. So that's on the, I would say, on the logic behind it. It drives more focus on the Radware, on the cloud Radware side, and it allows us to run faster on the public cloud security market. Regarding how will we show it in future financials, Guy, would you like to take it?

Guy Avidan

Analyst

Yes. So on the earnings call, we will talk about the Hawks as aggregated, so we will disclose the expenses, actually, the investment in both SkyHawk and EdgeHawk. And on the annual, we will open it as a segment that you'll be able to see the complete P&L of the Hawks Group.

George Notter

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then how does this change your headcount, just out of curiosity? And then also, what was the headcount in the company at the end of the quarter?

Guy Avidan

Analyst

The head count at the end of the quarter was at 1,264. It doesn't really change the headcount as of today. In the future, as Roy mentioned, we expect to accelerate the growth on SkyHawk.

Roy Zisapel

Analyst

And around 30 people moved from Radware to SkyHawk, predominantly in R&D and product management delivery functions.

George Notter

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Great. And then the step-up in headcount, I assume, is in part driven by the Security-Dam integration? Is that correct?

Guy Avidan

Analyst

Right. So out of -- if you compare it to December 31st, out of the 121 growth, close to 70 attributed to Security-Dam.

George Notter

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Okay. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Alex Henderson with Needham & Company.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

So am I reading the balance sheet right, that you guys are contributing $30 million in cash to this operation?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

No. We are not investing in that operation. So I think the balance sheet, what you see -- what you see there is -- what Guy mentioned as the tax, payments and the buybacks. Those are the main -- and the Security-Dam acquisition. Those are the impact on the balance sheet.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Okay. I just wanted to clarify that. Just some basic groundwork upfront U.K. -- Ukraine Russian exposure, would you quantify whether you do you have any receivables or any other issues on that front that you need to write down?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

No, nothing to write down.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Right, so no exposure on revenues, no exposure on receivables. And has there been any change in the EMEA environment either in terms of expected pipeline or closure rates or anything to that sort as a result of the macro contusion to the geography?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

On EMEA, we see very good business trends. So we saw some activity in the neighboring countries around cybersecurity at the nation level. Obviously, people are very concerned. But in general, we didn't see interruption or any other implications on the business activity in EMEA in general.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Broadly speaking, if you look at your pipeline of business globally, are you seeing any change in and the condition in that? Is it improving as a result of increased cyber threat, or slowing down as a result of macro considerations?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Relatively growing in the same pace, I would take. Nothing specific.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Okay, so no real changes in that context. Okay. Great. Going back to the operations a little bit. The pricing environment has been one of significant price increases across most of the networking space. I realize that you guys are more software-oriented, and particularly, that's where a lot more of your growth is coming from. But have you seen any changes in the pricing environment that are helping you gain some share or creating some opportunity? And are you doing anything on pricing?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Yes. We didn't see major changes in the pricing environment. We did execute a single-digit price increase in select models towards the end of the quarter, as I think we've discussed last time. Obviously, if at all, it takes some time for that to get into revenues as there's some 90 days initial period and then also it depends on specific customer contracts and mix, et cetera. However, we did make some price lift increases. It's not affecting yet Q1, and I don't think there will be any significant impact on Q2. Overall, we didn't see major pricing difference towards the market. We obviously see a different pricing environment in the components, which increases our costs. But that's how I would characterize the current environment.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Okay, and then one more question in terms of partnerships, particularly the Cisco partnership, which is obviously your largest. Can you give us an update on what's going on with partners, and whether you're seeing an acceleration of share within those partners, particularly Cisco? How is that contributing to the numbers here?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Yes. So I think a couple of points I would like to highlight versus previous quarters. So first, I think we continue to advance on the strategic level with our key partners and embed more of our offerings into their portfolio. I believe this will be seen in coming quarters also in the market. That's one. Second, we are also now attracting some of their key channels to us. So based on those relationships of CheckPoint and Cisco, we're able to go to key resellers in the market and create a very good incentives to represent Radware and the full portfolio. I think, for example, Procedure, that I've mentioned in my comments, is a very good example. Procedure is one of North America's biggest Cisco channels. Based on our relationship and their ability to get credits for Radware sales through Cisco, they also took our offering directly end-to-end, and we've issued a very strong press release and a very nice activity in the market together with them. So now we are starting to capitalize on those OEM relationships also to build on the broader channel. This initiative is it's still early, but I think it's a promising capability that we gained through those partnerships.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Does the extreme length of time to deliver other products in the Cisco suite or other systems companies suite in those partnerships have an impact on the timing or the scale of what you're selling into them either because people choose to go with your products, considering they're available, and shippable and that increases their attractiveness to a salesman? Or because negatively, they can't sell the rest of the systems that are involved with a project, and therefore, delay the timing on your products? Any impact either way as a result of supply chain pressures on the partners?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Yes. So I think the fact that we have those cloud solutions, I think that's a positive for our partners because put aside our ability to deliver also the appliances, their mindset is that appliances are now a product. Harder -- it's hard to supply, to sell, and it's better to move to cloud solutions to accelerate the ability to invoice and complete projects. So the fact that we are well represented with our cloud solutions in Cisco and CheckPoint, I think, helps us in that end. On the other hand, I can tell you that as we can supply equipment, we did see very few, I don't want to -- I didn't -- we didn't want to highlight that. I don't think it impacts our results in a significant manner. But since you've asked, the fact that large infrastructure projects are delayed sometimes means that we cannot supply also ours because if our security products are sitting on top of switches and routers, and those switches and routers are not going to supply in the next 6 months, the customer doesn't want to accept also the security appliances because there's nowhere to connect them to. So we did see some very large, I would say, infrastructure projects, that phenomena. But overall, we don't see the impact. Our ability to ship products as well as the growing scope of our cloud services is assisting us a lot in navigating those times.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst · Needham & Company.

Right. So is it a net positive or a net negative?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Needham & Company.

I think for the channel, for our partners, these are positive what we can do for them.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Tavy Rosner with Barclays.

Tavy Rosner

Analyst · Barclays.

Can you hear me okay?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Barclays.

Yes. I can.

Tavy Rosner

Analyst · Barclays.

Great. Just one last follow-up for me on the SkyHawk deal. I'm curious, why taking an external investor when you have quite a significant cash position? So I'm just wondering, from your perspective, what do you see Page adding to the operation in terms of value contribution?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Barclays.

Okay. I think from our point of view, it achieved several key points. One, we wanted to make sure that the Hawks, EdgeHawk and SkyHawk, and in this case, SkyHawk, is really seen by talent, by customers as a real stand-alone start-up company. And for that, we wanted to have a Tier 1 VC to join us. That's one. Second, I think it's also important for our shareholders to get this external valuation indication. We could, of course, continue to invest and finance it from our own resources, but I believe this highlights the current expectation of Tier 1 VCs from what this business can become to -- and definitely the valuation they see today. So I think it's also important for our shareholders to get this external validation.

Tavy Rosner

Analyst · Barclays.

Okay. Understood. And then touching on the U.S. market. I mean, Roy, you mentioned the decline this quarter versus last year. But you did mention the trade in 12 months was growing mid-single digits. When you look at your pipeline or the coming quarters, how comfortable you are about growing the U.S. business?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Barclays.

So we expect all our regions, and obviously, the U.S. to grow on a yearly basis. There might be fluctuations in specific quarters, but we do believe North America will continue to grow this year as well. We do want to see an accelerated pace of growth there. While we highlighted the last 12 months as a 5% growth, there's definitely an opportunity for us to do better there, and we are focused on achieving that.

Tavy Rosner

Analyst · Barclays.

Great. Got it. And then lastly, on subscription. Can you give us a sense of how much comes from new business versus converting some of your existing on-prem customer?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst · Barclays.

In our cloud business, there's very little migration from an on-prem to cloud. So if a customer, for example, was our DDoS customer in the on-prem, we will generally complement that implementation with a cloud. DDoS on demand to create what we call the hybrid, the cloud hybrid DDoS offering, which is, by far, the strongest, most protecting DDoS solution out there. And you see our largest customers are utilizing this hybrid architecture. So that's with DDoS. And in cloud application security, both API, WAF, we predominantly play only the cloud security as a service play. We are not moving customers with on-prem WAF to the cloud, so there's no cannibalization or movement to that sense. So all the businesses, new deployments into the cloud environment.

Operator

Operator

And we will take a follow-up question from Alex Henderson with Needham & Company.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst

So I'm looking at the numbers for the full year, and I know you don't want to really give guidance for the full year, but they're kind of all over the map. The revenues range is pretty tight, but on the EPS side, there's a bunch of people who -- in kind of the mid-70s, and estimates as high as $1 per share. Can you characterize how you're thinking about the full year? Maybe not necessarily giving specific guidance, because I know you don't want to do that, but what are you thinking in terms of this year in terms of the overall environment on spending versus the overall environment on growth? If we assume kind of mid-singles to high-singles growth for the year or 8% to 10%, or whatever you want to talk to. What are you expecting in terms of the margin side of the equation to help us bring that very wide splay of numbers into a tighter range?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst

Again, I think we discussed it also in previous calls. The leading indicator for our CAGR is actually the ARR. So as long as it's growing 8%, 9%, that's pretty much going to be our growth in the coming quarters. We still see a very healthy market, a lot of opportunities in new investment and expansion of investment in infrastructure. And definitely, we will enjoy this expansion. Regarding OpEx, again, we're seeing a lot of opportunities. And as a result, we will add more headcount both in sales and marketing and R&D to capture these opportunities. So EPS should not improve dramatically.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst

Okay. So just to put that in context, 2021 was around $0.81. I think there was kind of a bias to actually a little bit of contraction prior. And now you're -- have edged up a little bit in both the March and June quarter, so kind of flattish EPS for the year is kind of consistent with that commentary?

Roy Zisapel

Analyst

Again, we're not guiding for the year, so this is too much information. I think what we said is enough.

Alexander Henderson

Analyst

Can't blame you, I have to try.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Roy Zisapel, I turn the call back over to you.

Roy Zisapel

Analyst

Thank you, everyone, for joining us, and have a great day. Thank you. .

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.