Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Radian's Second Quarter 2013 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference will be recorded. I'd now like to turn the call over to our host, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Ms. Emily Riley. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and welcome to Radian's second quarter 2013 conference call. Our press release, which contains Radian's financial results for the quarter, was issued earlier today and is posted to the Investors section of our website at www.radian.biz. During today's call, you will hear from S.A. Ibrahim, Radian's Chief Executive Officer; and Bob Quint, Chief Financial Officer. Also on hand for the Q&A portion of the call are Teresa Bryce Bazemore, President of Radian Guaranty; David Beidler, President of Radian Asset Assurance; and Derek Brummer, Executive Vice President and Chief Risk Officer of Radian Group. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that comments made during this call will include forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations, estimates, projections and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties which may cause actual results to differ materially. For a discussion of these risks, please review the cautionary statements regarding forward-looking statements included in our earnings release and the Risk Factors included in our 2012 Form 10-K, as well as subsequent quarterly and other reports and registration statements filed with the SEC. These are also available on our website. Now I would like to turn the call over to S.A.

Thank you, Emily. Thank you all for joining us and for your interest in our company. On today's call, I will provide highlights from the second quarter, including the attainment of several important milestones. And I will also share my thoughts on the topics and trends important for our industry. Following my remarks, Bob will cover the details of our financial position. Earlier today, we reported a net loss for the second quarter 2013 of $33 million or $0.19 per diluted share. This includes net losses on investments of $130 million and the impact of fair value and other financial instrument gains of $88 million. Most importantly, our mortgage insurance business achieved profitability absent the impact of fair value gains and losses for the quarter and 6 months. Needless to say, at Radian, we've been working hard to achieve this significant milestone and we are extremely encouraged by the improved performance of our mortgage insurance business. I'm also pleased to point out several additional milestones achieved by Radian. We continue to write a leading share of the new mortgage insurance business in an extremely attractive market, perhaps the best business we have ever written. We recorded our second highest volume of primary flow business in Radian's history in June and for the second quarter. We have successfully improved our portfolio, and in the second quarter, as expected, the profitable high-quality books of mortgage insurance business written since 2008 represented more than half of our total portfolio. You can see on Slide 17 from our webcast presentation that for the 6 months ended June 30, 2013, the primary earned premiums less incurred losses from our 2009 and later MI vintages far exceeded the comparable negative sum from the 2008 and prior vintages. In the second quarter, the MI incurred loss ratio…

Thanks, S.A. I'll be updating you on our P&L activity and trends for the second quarter 2013, our capital and liquidity positions as of quarter end and some updated expectations regarding 2013. The MI provision for losses was $136 million this quarter compared to $132 million last quarter and $208 million a year ago. This is the second consecutive quarter with an MI loss ratio of approximately 70%, reflecting the improving delinquency trends and stable claim submission, as well as a steady increase in earned premium from our growing book of business. We have not changed our frequency expectations on either new or aged defaults. MI earned premium in the second quarter also benefited from an approximate $9 million reduction in the premium refund accrual relating to future rescission. For the balance of 2013, we continue to expect a much improved incurred loss line from the comparable 2012 quarters, driven by a relative decline in new defaults and no material changes to net low rate expectation. Paid claims for the full year 2013 are expected to be approximately $1.4 billion. The reduction in average claim paid this quarter is due primarily to lower average loan balances and coverage percentages on claims paid in the quarter. Curtailments have remained elevated, which has also positively impacted several. We've been successful in reducing our primary pending claims inventory from 17,625 at year-end 2012 to 15,018 as of June 30, 2013. And we anticipate that pending claim inventory will continue to decline. Single premium business written since the beginning of 2009 has continued to perform well in 2013 with loss ratios similar to those for monthly premium business. While our pricing is in line with the general industry pricing, we have chosen to sell the product to our customers as a competitive product to…

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is going to come from Bose George with KBW. Bose T. George - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Actually, the first question was just on your average premium. We calculated a slight increase. So I was just curious if that was a blip, or is the premiums trending up based on any sort of mix shift?

Bose, as I mentioned, we had this $9 million recognition of earned premium that was a rescission refund accrual reduction. So that's going to impact, if you just take the earned premium and do it that way, it's going to impact the number a little bit. So if you pull that out, I think you'll be pretty close to our constant average premium rate. Bose T. George - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay, great. And you gave some details on your single premium production, but do you have the percentage of single premium of your insurance in force?

I believe, last we looked, it was about 20%. So it might be up slightly from that. Bose T. George - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay, great. And then in terms of the cure rates. What cure rates do you assume on new defaults? And how does that vary, just based on the level of redefaulting that these borrowers are doing?

We do tell you what our roll rate, our frequency expectations are. I believe that's Slide 11. And that's going to tell you by bucket of what our -- if you look, for example, at 3 payments or fewer with a gross roll rate of 25%, we're expecting 75% not to be claims. I think that's what you're asking. And then it's different, obviously, for the different default buckets. Bose T. George - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay, great. And then actually one last thing. I just wanted to follow up on your comment that you made about the subsidiary capital haircuts. Is it too early to tell what that could look like? Just any color on that.

It is too early to tell. We've only heard that, that's a possibility. We've not heard anything further. And we'll have to see once the eligibility requirements come out what that looks like, if it is even [indiscernible].

And our next question is going to come from Doug Harter with Crédit Suisse. Douglas Harter - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: Just another question on the single premium. Just wondering if you saw any impact from the higher rates yet, or should we expect that more to come sort of in the back half of the year?

This is Teresa. I don't think we've seen any impact at this point. Obviously, we do see a higher percentage of singles being used with the refi business. And so with the refis sort of tailing off as we would -- as we're already seeing, we would expect to see some reduction there just on that basis. Douglas Harter - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: And then I guess just on the persistency, has that slowed down or, I guess, persistency increased or the prepayments slowed yet? Or again, is that sort of more later?

Yes. I mean, I think you're going to see that happen. We've seen it on the more recent vintages for sure. I don't think you'll see our overall persistency for the year, which we report, change very much from last quarter. But I think you will see that increase over the next several quarters. Douglas Harter - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: Great. And then on the financial guarantor, you said you expect to be able to continue to get dividends out of there. At what point -- as the risk continues to fall there, might the pace of dividends be able to accelerate as -- to be able to pull that capital out of the financial guarantor?

Well, to this point, we've only paid ordinary dividends. Our goal has been to reduce the exposure, which we've done a good job of. So in terms of ordinary dividends, we would expect steady levels of ordinary dividends. But as we reduce the exposure, we're putting the financial guaranty company in a very good position. Douglas Harter - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: And is there a risk-to-capital level there that you would target before sort of looking to go after non-ordinary dividends?

I don't think there's any formula. But certainly, what we've done and what we continue to do at the company puts us in a much better position.

And our next question will come from Jack Micenko with SIG.

Looking at the denial reinstatement page in the slide deck, pretty big falloff in 2Q and clearly a positive. I know there's some sort of statute of limitations there, 12 months or so. Are we -- is that a number that looks right going forward? Are we sort of out of the window where those denials can be reinstated? Is that 13% the right number to think about on a go-forward?

I think the percentage that you're referring to is the most recent quarter. So that's not going to be indicative of what it's going to be. We still generally use 60% as our initial denial reinstatement rate. And then it comes down over time. So that first quarter, that 13%, that's going to go up, very likely. So we haven't changed our expectations. The 60% is our general expectation.

Okay, great. And then with your -- sort of like your late stage and your pending claim assumptions, they've kind of walked up since the beginning of 2012. So it looks -- I'm assuming you're getting more conservative on the view of those later stages and it's, I guess, to be expected, but do these numbers go materially higher from here? I guess there are maybe 600 basis points on the pending over the last 1.5 years or so? Or are we pretty close to sort of where we peak on that?

Yes. I think you've seen the changes more relating to our expectation that there'll be a reduction in denials and rescissions over time. I don't think the growth rates have changed in quite some time. But over time, we do expect denials and rescissions to come down, so the net will likely go up.

Okay. And then just one last one. FG provisions on a year-to-year basis, despite what's been a nice ongoing decline in risk commutation, that sort of thing, is that specifically tied to any municipal event or anything? Or what can you say about that increase in the FG provision?

Yes, it was pretty much Detroit for the quarter. Last quarter, as I recall, it was almost nothing. This quarter it was still very small.

And that got you to the 50% reserve on Detroit, is that the way to think about it?

Yes. Yes. Nearly 50%, yes.

And our next question is going to come from Sean Dargan with Macquarie.

I'm just wondering what it would take for you to get to change your assumption around the gross projected default-to-claim rate? What would you need to see to maybe bring that down in the more recent delinquencies?

Sean, I think it -- we use historical experience. So certainly, an improvement of cure rates would go a long way. I think that's the -- would be the biggest driver. Or in some other way, we've got to be convinced that the defaults won't go to claim. We give a lot of evidence that people don't make payments. And the aging of the defaults there, we give a series of slides that show -- or demonstrate why these aged defaults may not be paid claims. But I think evidence would be improvement in cure rate, for sure, or other evidence that they won't be paid claims.

Okay, great. And going back to the singles. You mentioned a few numbers. Did you say it was -- singles were 9% of overall production in recent quarters?

The borrower-paid singles, we specifically said, would likely decline or go away with QM's implementations. That's 9% of our overall production or a little less than 1/3 of our singles.

Okay. And so the overall single production is around 28% of the total, or has been in recent quarters?

Yes, yes. About 30%. A little less -- about 30%.

Okay. And where do you think that might shake out if interest rates continue to rise or stay where they are?

We certainly have it going down into the 20s and perhaps down to 20% over time.

Okay. So one last question. Can you remind us what the rationale for holding your investments as trading securities when your competitors and, I believe, most insurers hold them as AFS?

Yes. We classified our investments, or most of them, as trading. If you go back to 2007, 2008, we had a lot of uncertainty at that time regarding future claims and operating cash flow being negative. So there was an expectation that we would likely need to liquidate investments, and that really drove the classification to trading. And that requires us to run any unrealized gains or losses through the P&L. It ends up in the same place. It ends up in retained earnings, but -- or in the balance sheet, but we run it through the P&L because of that.

And our next question will come from Mark DeVries with Barclays.

First, I have a follow-up on your investment portfolio. Given the fact that it is categorized in trading in the income statement, at least GAAP income statement, and the volatility that creates, have you thought about repositioning that to get a little more defensive and have less duration into a potentially further rising rate environment?

Yes. There's certainly some thought into reevaluating, especially due to our current expectations regarding holding the securities that we own. So yes, we've had some thought about that.

Okay, great. Could you talk a little bit about how the distribution of new notices by vintage here has been moving? Are you seeing a clear shift towards less of the '06 and '07 and more of the newer loans?

Yes. I think over time we've been seeing gradual credit burnout. So the percentage coming from kind of the later -- earlier vintages has been decreasing pretty steadily over time.

Okay. And I would assume, as that evolves, you should see an expectation in your ultimate cure rates on those, right? I mean, I assume you're not assuming the same level of cures on an '06 as you are on a 2011 loan. Is that fair?

Well, to the extent that there are various vintages within the population that we observe, I would say yes. So if the population turns over, over time, and it's all recent vintages and the cure rates are higher, that's going to be reflected.

Okay, got it. I think -- Bob, I think you mentioned that there's a plan to downstream some capital into the MI subsidiary in the quarter. Did you say how much you're planning to push down?

No, we didn't say, Mark. It's really going to depend on the growth in the books. So we're -- obviously, we're growing our books significantly. We're writing a lot. So it's going to depend on the growth, that growth, the persistency and also, obviously, the results. But the plan is to manage to just below 20:1.

Okay. And next question. I'm just trying to get a sense of what I should be modeling for average paid claims. If you were to pay all of your claims today, all the loans -- delinquent loans you expect to pay out, do you have a sense, Bob, for what the average claim would be relative to what it was this quarter? Should we expect that to trend down, flat or be up?

Yes. I mean, I think it would be in the range that it's been this year. Quarter to quarter, the average claim that's tended to go up and down more related to what I said, the size, the coverage percentage. So it's more or less coincidental. But if you look at the average claim over a period, I think that's a fair estimate for the future.

Okay, got it. Just really quick questions. First, is there any impact on your average premium from the decision to reduce the amount that you're reinsuring? Does that flow through the premium line?

That will -- yes, that will reduce the ceded premium. But that's going to happen over time because we've got this existing reinsured book. So you're not going to see that right away. You're going to see it much more in premiums written than you will in earned.

Okay, got it. And then just finally, can we assume that for every dollar of stock price appreciation, that adds roughly $7 million of stock comp expense? Is that the right way to look at it?

Yes, that's about what it's been and what we expect it to be. There are other factors that could impact it, so it's not a perfect correlation, but that's why we said -- and it's been about that for the last 2 quarters.

And our last question is going to come from Geoffrey Dunn with Dowling and Partners. Geoffrey M. Dunn - Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC: Bob, I got a couple of questions. First, can you talk about provisioning on new notices? And maybe compare the levels that we're looking at today versus precrisis or normalized type of provisioning for normalized incidents.

The 25% roll rate is higher than -- if you go back in history, it's higher than history. Geoffrey M. Dunn - Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC: And where would you put history?

Probably closer to the 15% range. Geoffrey M. Dunn - Dowling & Partners Securities, LLC: Okay. And then as we look at -- using your disclosures from the slide deck and we look at the vintage loss ratio development, there seems to be a pretty big delta of performance looking at the '09 versus '010 book. And I'm not sure if there's a material underwriting difference there, or if '09 is getting hit by refinancing activity. Can you talk a little bit about that delta? And -- I mean, because obviously, we're looking at single-digit loss ratios on the '10, '11, '12 so far, although they're still pretty young. But '10 versus '09 really stands out.

Yes. I mean, I think -- we have said that '09 looks like it's going to perform as expected. So that was still a transition in terms of underwriting and things like that, but it will perform well. It will perform as expected. '10, '11, '12, hopefully '13, are looking significantly better. So I think the difference there is just how '10, '11, '12 stand out in terms of their performance as opposed '09. '09 is still going to be kind of as expected when we talk about an expectation of mid-teen, or we use -- the more recent ones are going to be better.

Okay. And then when we think about the '10 and after vintages, historically, we tended to look at your '03 and '04 as being the kind of peak provision years and then '04 and '05 as the paid. Do you think the '10 and after books are developing similarly, or are they just more elongated and maybe we'll see a complete development more in year '05 or '06?

They seem to be better at this point. So we -- yes, we still have peak loss period to get to. But based on just comparable, looking at the comparable periods, they're better.

Also, Jeff, in terms of your comments on the difference in the vintage default performance of the '09 versus later books, while, as Bob said, it's not that '09 is bad, '09 is good. The others are so much better. Also, keep in mind the size of the other books is larger, the more recent books.

And I'll hand the call back over to S.A. Ibrahim.

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for participating in our call and look forward to seeing you on the next call. Thanks.

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