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RCM Technologies, Inc. (RCMT)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 7, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the RCM Technologies Fourth Quarter Year Earnings Conference Call. Your host today is Bradley Vizi, will now begin.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Good morning, everyone. This is Brad Vizi, Executive Chairman of RCM Technologies. Welcome to the RCM Technologies 2018 fourth quarter earnings call. I am joined today by Kevin Miller, our Chief Financial Officer. Kevin will begin with the legal disclaimer and then I will summarize the operating results for each of our business units before opening it up for questions. Kevin?

Kevin Miller

Management

Good morning, everyone. Our presentation in this call will contain forward-looking statements. The information contained in the forward-looking statements is based on our beliefs, estimates and assumptions and information currently available to us, and these matters may materially change in the future. Many of these beliefs, estimates and assumptions are subject to rapid changes. For more information on our forward-looking statements and the risks, uncertainties, and other factors to which they are subject, please see the periodic reports on Forms 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K, that we filed with the SEC, as well as our press releases that we issue from time-to-time.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Thanks Kevin. We are pleased with our fourth quarter and fiscal 2018 performance. Our fiscal 2018 adjusted EBITDA of $8.9 million grew by approximately 12% over fiscal 2017. More importantly, we believe we are poised for strong performance in fiscal 2019. I will discuss each division separately. Our Specialty Healthcare Staffing Group set another quarterly revenue record with $23.1 million growing by 4.3% over the fourth quarter of 2017. Our fiscal 2018 revenue of $83.7 million exceeded fiscal 2017 by 17%. The major driver of the 2018 growth was our school business. We generated $16.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2018 from all of our school contracts, versus $14.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2017. Our fiscal 2018 revenue from school contracts was $55.1 million versus $40.5 million in the prior year, growth of 36%. We are off to a great start in 2019 and 2020 school year, and we expect growth to continue to be robust throughout 2019. Elsewhere in healthcare, you may recall, we started Locum Tenens and HIM businesses Greenfield. We are proud to report that both businesses have hit stride and are nicely accretive to overall performance. Locum Tenens finished 2018 with $1.5 million of revenue up from $120,000 of revenue in 2017. Our HIM group saw revenue of $4.6 million in 2018 versus $3.9 million in 2017. Worth noting is relative underperformance of our permanent placement business. Fiscal 2018 perm revenue was approximately $1.5 million versus $2.3 million in 2017. If not for softness in our high margin permanent placement business, which is the most cyclical business within our health care division, healthcare consolidated performance would be in line with its five year trend of 15% to 20% growth in EBITDA contribution. The other major contributor to 2018 gross margin delusion was the…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question would be coming from Bill Sutherland. Please go ahead.

BillSutherland

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning Brad and Kevin. So I wanted just to get a little more color on how you think the year is going to be starting out. You've got some timing issues and engineering but it sounds like health care should be trending kind of as you would expect it for the full year and then IT services as well?

Bradley Vizi

Management

Yes, Health care should have a good should have a strong fourth quarter, Bill. We expect to see a little bit softness in the engineering. And we expect to see -- decent revenues in the first quarter out of IT. The one thing that we have particularly in the first quarter which really is across all of our lines is the increase in the statutory employment payroll taxes. So that will also impact companywide and typically if you strip everything else out and the quarters never work that way because there's always things helping margin and then hurting more often. But, if you sort of strip everything away, we generally see around a 50 basis point decrease in gross margins sort of across the board. It's more pronounced in the higher salaried individuals and in Q1 as compared to Q2, Q3, and Q4 just because the higher salary people eventually you're not paying Social Security taxes. But the biggest one is actually the unemployment taxes as you know. The various states sort of frontal of those unemployment taxes so that typically has. So that will certainly hurt IT a little bit. As far as the gross margin is concerned, the some of the utilization issues that we experienced in the fourth quarter are going to carry over a little bit into the first quarter. We've addressed those issues in IT but they're going to have a little bit of an impact on the fourth quarter as well. We expect decent revenues for IT in the first quarter, but we'll probably continue to see some softness in the in the gross margin in the first quarter although we certainly expect that to pick up as the year goes on.

BillSutherland

Analyst

Okay. Can you guys give us a little color on how Thermal Kinetics performed and it looks like they can perform going forward for you?

Bradley Vizi

Management

Sure. Well they contributed about $2.58 million in revenues in the fourth quarter with gross margin of roughly 27%. The thing with Thermal Kinetics is -- they're capable of putting up some very good numbers, but they historically are pretty lumpy because they're typically working on two or three large projects at a time. So I think when you look at the fourth quarter performance and you look at their historic financials which you can pull out of the 8-K that's the type of performance we expect to see going forward with just putting a caution out there, that their performance is historically pretty lumpy from quarter-to-quarter.

BillSutherland

Analyst

And then are you all. I mean, I don't want to tie – get too granular, but was helpful prior quarter looking at the Canadian Power Systems and Arrow and Energy Services in relation to each other for the quarter.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Yes. We've seen some weakness in both of those units in terms of aerospace and power systems. We're seeing those issues in the case of arrow space. It's just more of a we've got to diversify our client base and that's something we're very very focused on. But we saw a real strong fourth quarter for energy services and we continue to expect Energy Services and, frankly our Process and Industrial units. The two units that we really expect to see driving our growth in engineering going forward.

BillSutherland

Analyst

Not so much power systems up north?

Bradley Vizi

Management

No, we expect power systems to have more consistent performance than they've had in 2018. But we're not necessarily counting on significant top line growth coming out of that business unit. I mean, certainly the potential is there because the two major clients that we serve certainly spend a lot with outside consultants. So the potential is there but we're really not counting on that for significant to drive the overall engineering growth.

BillSutherland

Analyst

Okay. Then moving over to healthcare, should we think about the growth trajectory there kind of in relationship to -- I mean your education is best. I mean, the biggest piece now and I think you called up the paraprofessional headcount entering the school year was up dramatically for Hawaii and double-digit for New York.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Yes, we've seen nice increases in both, and we expect to continue to see growth there as well. I think we're not going to see the kind of top line growth in 2019 for the schools that we saw in 2018, just because there aren't any new contracts driving that. But we will see bill rate increases and we will see increases in headcount. So we will see some nice growth there. What I think is particularly exciting about health care is that we're sort of in a position to drive operating leverage there. Right. So, while we're probably not going to see the kind of top line growth in 2019 that we saw in 2018, I think we can still see some nice growth in gross profit dollars and some nice growth in the contribution operating income.

BillSutherland

Analyst

Okay. The – look like the DSO improved quarter-over-quarter, Kevin. Even with the revenue growth, where do you. So where was it exactly and where do you – what is your expectation as you…

Kevin Miller

Management

Well we ended the year, I think around 86 days, if I'm not mistaken, 86.2. And that's compared to 99.8 in the third quarter of 2018. We have a number of clients that can really cause our DSOs to flare up in any given quarter. And then we also have an arbitration going on with the major utility that is sort of polluting those DSOs. We expect that arbitration to come to conclusion by the end of the third quarter, maybe the second quarter we'll see, but probably the third quarter. So that alone will improve our DSOs by the end of the year by quite a bit. As far as the schools -- as far as the other drivers that causes the occasional flare ups. The major one is -- are the school contracts, just because from time to time they're just our administrative issues that prevent us from getting paid. I mean, we always get paid, and we always get them under control, like our DSOs for our schools were outstanding in the fourth quarter. Those of some administrative issues in New York. I'm expecting crappy DSOs is in Q1 unfortunately. But going forward, we should see, continue to see the DSOs in the 80s. I think once we clean up the arbitration, I really think we can consistently see DSOs in the high 70s with the occasional flare up from either one of the schools or from time to time we have big engineering projects, where there are milestone deliveries that prevent us from where the collections can be a little bit lumpy sometimes on those contracts. Additionally, from time to time, we do business for some big companies that just they just drive the terms. Like for instance, we do business with GE and there are 120 days from the time they approve invoice. And if you want to do business with GE those are the terms. You can either accept it or not do business with them. But anyway, I think to answer your question is, we should be in the upper 70s when we have a relatively clean quarter as far as DSOs are concerned.

BillSutherland

Analyst

Okay. And then the last on terms of capital plans and, debt obviously went up a bit in the fourth quarter for the acquisition, I assume primarily. And so when you look at 2019 and your priorities for use of capital. How….

Kevin Miller

Management

Well number one is to continue to pay down debt. We certainly expect to have while our cash flow quarter-to-quarter may be a bit lumpy when we get to the end of the year, we expect to have very generate very nice cash flow for 2019. And I think our first priority is to pay down debt. Typically we would like to see, get somewhere 1.5 to 2 time EBITDA. We’re fine going up to 2.5 on a temporary basis, but generally don't like to see it above 2.5 although certainly we have no problem going above 2.5 if it's temporary and it's for a specific reason. We'd like to leave a little play in there, for as far as the EBITDA to debt ratio was concerned. So when you do have these occasional flare ups, you don't need to go and get a covenant waiver or anything like that. So I think our first priority bill is to pay down debt as far as once we bring the debt more in line with where we'd like to see it. I think that we are interested in continuing to look for very specialized low risk acquisitions that really add to our growth strategy. As far as anything after that, that remains to be seen. But I think the one thing I can tell you is that every single board meeting, we talk about capital allocation and capital structure, and we look at all the levers, every single quarter and what those levers are. But I would say that the first two priorities are probably paying down debt and looking for some small low risk strategic acquisitions.

BillSutherland

Analyst

Okay. Pretty good. Thank you both.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Thanks, Bill. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from Anthony Hanlon [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, do you still think that running three businesses have nothing to do with each other is the correct model for the stockholders?

Bradley Vizi

Management

Yes, Anthony. I'm not sure how long you've been following RCM, but RCM has had three businesses for as long as I've been following RCM, so over a decade. And they have managed to deliver significant value for shareholders. So to the extent that, that changes, we will certainly change our strategy. But as of now, we'll continue to run the firm as a human capital management business.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

So you think you're doing really good right now for the last couple of years?

Bradley Vizi

Management

Well, if you take the last couple of years out in isolation, right. That's one thing, versus the last five years. The majority of our shareholder base has been with us for a five year period or longer. How long have you been with us, Anthony?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I understand that period. I understand the period before and also you were flat for 10 years. And it seems to me like you keep reporting that, this is doing great. This one is doing great, but that one’s not feeling too well, because of some reason. So when you have three different companies, you always have something that's not doing well and that has an effect on a multiple on your stock and where the stock trades.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Understood.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Very few but very few conglomerates do well. GE is a really good example.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Understood.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, that’s the point I wanted to make. That’s all.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no more callers in queue for questions.

Bradley Vizi

Management

Okay everyone. Thank you for joining our call and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you ladies and gentlemen for joining today's call. You all may disconnect at this time and have a great day.