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Rocky Brands, Inc. (RCKY)

Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 21, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Rocky Brands third quarter fiscal 2015 earnings conference call. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the conference over to Brendon Frey of ICR.

Brendon Frey

Analyst

Thank you, and thanks to everyone joining us today. Before we begin, please note that today's session including the Q&A period may contain forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are based on information and assumptions available at this time and are subject to changes, risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to differ materially. We assume no obligation to update such statements. For a complete discussion of the risks and uncertainties, please refer to today's press release and our reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2014. I'll now turn the conference over to David Sharp, President and Chief Executive Officer of Rocky Brands.

David Sharp

Analyst

Thank you, Brendon. Joining me on the call today is Jim McDonald, our Chief Financial Officer. While there were a number of positive takeaways, our overall results in Q3 fell short of our internal expectations, driven primarily by a soft topline. I'm going to walk through each of our brands and channels, starting with an explanation of where we came up short, and then I'll review the areas of our business that helped to partially offset the miss. Jim will then review the financials, and then we'll open up the call to your questions. Before I go into the details of the quarter, I think it's important to remind everyone that the vast majority of our business is derived from orders generated for At-Once Delivery. In fact, in our wholesale business year-to-date, 79% of our business was derived from customers requesting delivery within 10 days of the order date. Said another way, we don't receive advanced orders for most of our products, like many of the athletic and fashion footwear companies. We rely on replenishment or fill-in orders to drive our business. At any time of the year, we have very little visibility into our future business. And in the third quarter, we did not receive the level of replenishment orders we forecasted, which is the reason for the shortfall versus a year ago and compared with expectations. The decline in sales came primarily from two of our three largest categories, work and hunting. Starting with sales of work footwear, which were down mid-teens. There is no one specific thing to point to that would explain the slowdown, rather it appears to be a combination of factors that led to weaker sell-through at many of our retail accounts. I believe we are still feeling the effects of a weak consumer…

James McDonald

Analyst

Thanks David. Net sales for the third quarter were $70 million compared to $72.7 million for the corresponding period a year ago. Wholesale sales for the third quarter decreased 12% to $54.7 million compared to $62.1 million last year. Retail sales for the third quarter increased 8.4% to $10.3 million compared to $9.5 million a year ago, while military segment sales increased to $5.1 million versus $1.1 million for the same period in 2014. Gross profit in the third quarter was at $22.1 million or 31.6% of sales compared to $24.3 million or 33.4% of sales for the same period last year. The180 basis point decrease was primarily due to the decline in wholesale sales, and increase in military segment sales, which carry lower gross margins than wholesale and retail. By segment, wholesale gross margin was 30.8%, retail was 44.6% and military was 13.9% Selling, general and administrative expenses were $19.2 million for the third quarter of 2015 compared to $19.4 million in the year-ago period. As a percentage of sales, SG&A was 27.5% compared to 26.6% last year. Income from operations was $2.9 million or 4.1% of net sales compared to $4.9 million or 6.8% of sales in the prior-year period. For the third quarter, interest expense was $188,000 compared to $253,000 last year. Net income for the quarter decreased $1.3 million to $1.8 million or $0.24 per diluted share compared to $3.1 million or $0.42 per diluted share last year. Turning to the balance sheet. Our funded debt at September 30, 2015, decreased $5.7 million or 11.2% to $45 million compared with $50.7 million at September 30, 2014. And inventories were down $2.1 million or 2.4% to $88 million at September 30, 2015 compared with $90.1 million on the same date a year ago. As David mentioned, we are taking a more cautious outlook on Q4 given current trends, combined with the tough year-over-year comparisons for our wholesale business. Therefore, given our current visibility, we expect wholesale sales to be down on a percentage basis similar to the decline we experienced in the third quarter. Retail sales are forecasted to be up on a percentage basis similar to the Q3. And military segment sales in dollars should be equal to Q3 levels. With respect to margin and expenses, gross margin on a segment basis will be similar to Q4 a year ago and total SG&A dollar should be down slightly. Operator, we are now ready to take questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mitch Kummetz from B. Riley.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

I've got a handful of questions. I was hoping we could start just drilling down a little bit more on the work business. I was hoping you could reconcile something for me. So on the wholesale side, work was down mid-teens, but your retail business was up 8%. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the majority of what you are dealing at retail was work as well, right. So help me understand the difference between those two numbers, why it's so much worse at the wholesale end versus the retail end, if I'm even thinking about that the right way?

David Sharp

Analyst

Well, I think Mitch that we control the retail environment as our retailers control their retail environments. And perhaps with respect to how we position our brands on our websites, we certainly position them as competitively against our other brands that we show on the B2B sites as the primary brands. So I just think we're doing a very good job in social and in pay per click and encouraging business through our websites both on the B2C and our B2B business.

James McDonald

Analyst

I think the other thing, Mitch is, is you're right, I think that our business is still more work, but it's less work as a percentage than it used to be as our other websites have started to expand. And the difference on the retail side with the Lehigh businesses, we are -- that business is subsidized business with employees, and they're getting no shoes, no matter what the retail environment is at this point in time.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

And then on the hunt business, Dave, I know you mentioned that your position to chase, if and when the weather turns, but just remind me of kind of the cadence on the hunt business. I mean, at some point, even if the weather turns, the retailers look at their inventories, and just say, hey, we'll sell-through what we have and we'll be glad to try to get through the season as clean as possible, or are they kind of restocking through the end of the hunting season. How do retailers should have played that?

David Sharp

Analyst

Well, I think we've had and certainly have over the past few years really closed the best, particularly for those boots that are designed specifically with hunting in mind, but there are other boots that with more sort of a multi-purpose outsole that they can get, or maybe in Brown versus Camel, that they can get a much longer season out of with the insulated products. So we found last year, as we swung into January and February with the weather that we had, that we were able to liquidate anything that was remnant inventory extremely well, and I think that our retailers did so also. So I think the retail community has an interest in getting out of boots, specifically for hunting in late October, November, but they have an interest in those boots that have a longer life on the shell through January and February as these seasons seem to extend now into early spring.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

And then also in the work business, here you mentioned oil and gas and the trickle down affect there. Are you seeing any pressure in ag related markets? Again, if I'm not mistaken, you guys, the Georgia Boot brand resonates pretty well kind of in the northeast with that kind of the farm community there. Is there any softness in ag, and is that also a factor, do you know?

David Sharp

Analyst

We talked about softness in ag on our Q2 conference call, I think in questions. And certainly the Georgia Boot brand after having such a big increase in sales last year, we're disappointed with the performance through three quarters this year. I think some of that is related to that softness. And then I know that the TSC reported earlier, and they were talking about sales, trends, that store traffic was often September probably due to weather. So yes, I think there is some softness in the farmer ranch channel right now. It's certainly reflected in the sales numbers of the Georgia Brand, which is primarily a farmer ranch product line. We do very few sort of steel toe industrial products in that brand.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

And then western, you guys continue to show strength in western, particularly on the Durango side. Is that incremental accounts or anything or how should I think about western anyways? I mean, I would guess, it's maybe a less weather-dependent category than some of the other boots that you're selling, but I would also think that cold weather could help that business as well. Is there anything specific as to why Durango western continues to trend so well for you guys? Are you guys taking share or is the western business maybe just not as impacted by the weather as some of the other pieces that we've talking about?

David Sharp

Analyst

I think it's not impacted by the weather. Women are wearing western influenced products all year ramp now. There women are even seen wearing western boots with shorts in spring and summer. So I think the trend is still strong. I think we've done a particularly good job in our niche with the Durango brand. And we're benefiting from -- we've done exceptionally well with staying close with Boot Barn as they expanded and we've gained a lot of sales increases there. So I think the combination of really great styling and good relationships at retail that has driven the sales increases that we're seeing.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Komp, Robert W. Baird.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

A couple of questions, David, maybe first if we could start really on the work wear business or on the work side of the business. I know you called out several factors that led to this shortfall versus your expectations. And I'm hoping you might be able to quantify some of those pieces, just so we get a sense of a magnitude of each of those?

David Sharp

Analyst

Underlying, then I think is really important to understand the impact weather has on our business. Weather is perhaps -- when we anniversary weather events or we have weather events, when seasons are colder than they were the year before, that certainly helps drive increased sale in a quarter. So that's number one. I really feel that that underlying both of our hunting and work business. That is something that is always the number one factor. Number two is perhaps this weaker consumer environment, and particularly in the oil and gas regions. And we've heard a lot of folks talking about that in the last couple of weeks, as they're talking about their business. We certainly have seen it, not that we really engaged in the oil and gas business, we have a few products in the Rocky line made specifically for oil and gas workers, but in those communities where businesses were really experiencing a lot of increased sales from the boom in oil and gas, that's where we're seeing things fall off a little bit, so the tangent to that. I think those -- so it's weather first and then the economy next I think.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

And then maybe a couple of follow-ups to that. On the oil and gas business, first, if you look at the business, I'm wondering if you could help provide a little more color just on the magnitude or the steepness, or kind of just helping to conceptualize how much of a fall off you've seen there? Anything you can provide would be helpful.

David Sharp

Analyst

Well, we also see that in our other business, so with Durango and Rocky West and the other categories of footwear. In and around the Texas, Oklahoma out and then in the sort of upper-Midwest, in pockets of Ohio and Pennsylvania, we're seeing some weakness there. And if you're asking me to sort of pin a number on that, I would think that that would account for a $2 million of sales that we could have had in the three months in Q3, as things continued as they had last year there, and everybody was feeling good about oil and gas exploration. I think that the rest of it really is, we can sort of hang on a more general, weaker consumer confidence and the weather particularly in September was particularly difficult for us.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

Sorry to keep asking about the same topic here, but just trying to drill down on the major category here. But maybe one more related question. Just curious to hear as you look at the competitive environment obviously, and we heard from Wolverine recently, publicly, but I'm curious related to the competitive dynamic. And just curious to hear your perspective, maybe what type of data points or conversations or areas, industry indicators you look out to really get comfortable about, this is a broader industry factor and nothing specific to your brands?

David Sharp

Analyst

As we talk to key retailers, key buyers and merchandisers and executives and that where we have relationships, we're hearing that store traffic is down particularly in September. We're hearing that it was very challenging, and that there was a lot of promotional activity that really didn't reap the sorts of results that retailers expected. I think as we look at -- we are a retailer and we do have sort of insight into the top work brands and how they perform versus Georgia Boot and Rocky in our B2B business, the Lehigh business. And I can tell you that -- so we look at this monthly and look at the percentage of sales being derived from each brand and items that are performing and not performing. And we see across the range of products and brands that there is a similar sort of activity and sales as there was in the same period last year. So I don't think that that we've done poor job of the products that we've sort of delivered in the quarter that are new for the fall and winter season. I think that our brands -- there are also ways in which we can look out the traffic to our sites and sort of gauge consumer reactions. And we're not seeing a lot of consumers that all of sudden are disenchanted with our brands. So I don't know what else I can say, I'm confident that the brand is still resonating well with the consumers. And once this sort of malaise clears, and I think what it will really cause it to an inflection here is a good jagger cold weather around the United States.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

Maybe last one for me, sticking on the wholesale side, but more forward looking. If I look at the business this year, it looks like its shaping up to produce kind of a low-to-mid $50 million run rate per quarter, and understanding there is a lot of moving parts there, but do you think that's a type of level looking ahead that you can start to grow again into 2016 once weather cooperates more? Do you think there's further downside in 2016, or how do you think about the trajectory going forward for the wholesale business?

David Sharp

Analyst

We're talking $50 million run rate in U.S. wholesale, right, wholesale business.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

Yes, it looks like each quarter you'll probably be in that low-to-mid $50 million range for that the wholesale business this year.

David Sharp

Analyst

Right. So I think that by -- you ask me that question in 60 days from now, I've got a much better crystal ball, because we'll already be -- we have a wholesales meeting here this weekend. We primarily have one season per year in terms of selling in, and that is fall winter. So we'll start to collect orders for the next year and start to get indications of interest from our retail folks of how we stack up and how we're going to stack up against their competitors. And I can give you better feel then. But as we swung into this year of a 17% sales increase, and I think some of that was organic, I am sorry, some of that was acquisition, but 10% or 11% of it was organic. We didn't project certainly internally. We had much higher expectations of where this year would go. And as we swung into '14, our expectations were not for 17% of sales increase. So I think that our business is difficult to project and that is because of the sort of lacked off, as I talked earlier on the call. It's difficult to forecast, because of this massive at-once business that we have. But we think we're doing the right things. We think we have the right products in the pipeline. We think we have the right marketing behind it. We think we've got great folks here to get consumers excited about our proposition. So yes, I mean we certainly hope that our business next year will rebound beyond the 2014 levels.

Jonathan Komp

Analyst

And then, maybe one last one, more for Jim. Just on the G&A cost structure, as you look forward to the next couple of quarters and understanding the low visibility on the topline. How do you think you'll manage the G&A? And do you think going forward you can keep it closer to the recent run rate you've seen or is there anything that's going to cause it to grow more meaningfully?

David Sharp

Analyst

Well, we certainly don't see anything that's going to cause us to grow more meaningfully. But I think that our SG&A tends to grow about by our sales increase. And our variable SG&A is about 12% of our 12% to 15% of sales. So that's how we usually project that. And then normalized increase of 1% or 2% on ongoing SG&A. So that's kind of how we project the SG&A. So obviously that's why we're saying SG&A will be down slightly in the fourth quarter, as we look at this, because of that variable piece of SG&A that we have with a forecasted down in sales, right now.

James McDonald

Analyst

Jonathan, on that issue of sort of expense control, if you look back at this company, certainly over the last 10 years, you'll see that. The one thing that we do pretty well is keeping a lid on SG&A tougher sales periods. And we're focused on the other things that we think we can control, like receivables and the DSOs and aging and also inventory. So we're focused on those things as we go through this rough patch. And I think we'll swing into next year with a really good balance sheet and with expenses under control and position for growth again.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow-up from Mitch Kummetz from B. Riley.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

I've got a few follow-ups. So, David, how clean do you think inventory levels are at retail? And part of why I'm asking the question is I'm guessing that as retailers are seeing their business slow down, they are not reordering in order to try to keep their inventories in line with the trends. And I'm just wondering if you think they've done a good job with that or do you think they are still a little bit heavy, given kind of what the trends are or what do you think?

David Sharp

Analyst

With the visibility we have into inventories with big guys, we believe that those -- and we help manage those inventories, we think that those inventories are well-managed. Where there might be some issues is in the small mom-and-pops, where through is a competitive nature of the business, they've been encouraged to stockpile. But we've seen that the big guys are in pretty good shape.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

And then how do you think about pent-up demand? I'm guessing with the work boot category in particular, if the weather isn't cold and wet and snowy, guys just go as long as they can without buying a new pair of boots. But once it turns, then they need a new pair of boots. And I mean when you've seen these kinds of trends in the past, we've had a slow start to the season weather-wise, how does it tend to play out once the weather turns? Do you see this big uptick, as guys are running out to buy new pairs of work boots?

David Sharp

Analyst

That's the way it works. We sell the blue collar guy and he doesn't like that on a Saturday morning, thinking about going on a shopping excursion just to look at boots. When his boots wear out or he has a lousy experience in the hunting, because his feet are wet and cold, he goes and buys another pair of boots. And that's why weather is such a critical factor in driving demand for work boots and for hunting boots. So we always sit -- and what sort of stares me in the face everyday is we manage a $4 million retail business across the street, which is visible from my office window. And when it is cold and wet outside, we get an awful lot of traffic. And when it's warm and dry outside, we have no traffic. It was 75 degrees here today in Nelsonville, Ohio, we had no traffic. I was there, I was in the store for lunch. So I think that there is going to pent-up demand once the weather hits, absolutely.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

Is there a date on the calendar, where if you get to a certain date, that guy is just like, forget about it, I'm just going wait until next year or does that really happen?

David Sharp

Analyst

I think in hunting -- and we've seen this over the past five or eight years, as whatever we want to call it, as the climate has become warmer. We've seen this going on, where hunting seasons can get stalled and never really break loose the way they should when it's warm. And hunting season, depending on the region of the country, its earlier south and then it gets later as you north. So if the weather doesn't align with the hunting season, the hunting season can be a little weak. But again, we're selling a lot more sort of non-camouflage Brown Cordura or all-leather boots today than we sold in the past. And we used to do a huge business on a makeup with one of the large national sporting chain. And they always used to buy sort of 80% brown and 20% camel, because if they wanted to be out of camel on the last day of the hunting season. And then if it was a little warmer, they knew the colder in January, probably they knew they could liquidate that inventory, because it was brown and people would wear it for casual wear. And our lines over the past few years sort of developed that way too with more brown, more leather in the product line.

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

And I've got one last question, and bear with me, because I'm not really sure how to ask the question, but I'm going to ask it the right way. But you mentioned to Jon that you're a retailer as well as a wholesaler. And when I think about the wholesale business or you tell me, as you think about your wholesale business, when you go through these periods like we're going through right now, where the weather is not cooperating and the demand isn't there at retail right now. Does that impact the wholesaler more than the retailer? Because as a retailer you might see your sell-throughs slow down a little bit. And then you look at your days of inventory, they are extending and you start to panic, and you're calling up all your vendors, saying, I don't want any product, and so maybe it hits you harder as a wholesaler. But then once the weather turns and the sell-through start to pick up again, you're getting all the reorders then, and then it swings harder the other way. And I think I am not sure if I'm asking that question the right way, but I'll let you try to answer it.

David Sharp

Analyst

No. I think conceptually you're absolutely right. That's the way it works. And that's why this is sort of an inventory-intensive business. But the flipside of this intensity of inventory is that it is not a perishable product line, it's not like lattice. It's going to be good on the shelf for a long time. So all we have to do for these periods is perhaps not produce as much or slow some of our vendor factories down a little bit, we turn the tap down a little bit to get the inventory back on line. And that's basically we're in that process right now. But yes, I think that it does, obviously, has to do with the consumer first, so the retailer is closest to it, understands it before a wholesaler does, feels it before wholesaler does, and that's how that relationship works. Does that sort of answer your question or?

Mitch Kummetz

Analyst

No, I think so. It was an odd question anyway.

David Sharp

Analyst

No. I think, it's an interesting sort of thought and concept, and we're living with that everyday. But I think just as being a manufacturer makes, I think, us a better sourcing, a more capable sourcer. Being a retailer also helps us sort of understand get this better insight into the wholesale, that how we should react in the wholesale business.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we have no further questions. I'll turn the call back over to our speakers for closing comments. End of Q&A

David Sharp

Analyst

Well, thank you very much everyone for joining us on the call today. We're going to work hard in the next quarter to try and round up this year and for everything out that we can. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for participation.