Lynn Hopkins
Chief Financial Officer
Hey, Andrew. Maybe I just wanted to start just checking in on kind of the expectation around the expense run rate. And you guys have managed expenses very well throughout this year. Just what type of expense growth you are targeting? And if you could talk about any specific drivers, like, where you are most focused from an investment perspective right now? Andrew, I was tracking the first half of your question. Was the second half related to noninterest expense as well? Can you just repeat that? Yeah. Sorry. Just, you know, expectation kinda near term on expense run rate. And then just bigger picture, you guys have managed low single-digit expense growth this year so far. Is that still kind of the right ballpark? And can you talk about what areas of investment you are most focused in right now? Great. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. I did not hear the end of the. it is the first time. No problem. So the expectation of our run rate based on where we have been making investments and able to grow, as we mentioned, this is our first full quarter with the loan production office in Northern California, so those are included in our run rate at this point in time. I think there is an expectation that our REO costs can moderate a little bit. We were catching up as we brought that onto the balance sheet this quarter. We also had some costs associated with bringing in the production tax credits. And that translated to more income to the bottom line. But showed up maybe in some of our professional fees. We also think that some of our compensation costs will be reflective of our. Reflective of our growth. But we had a couple of things in there this quarter that might show that going down a little bit in the fourth quarter. Obviously, January is always a big month between raises, insurance premiums resetting, and tax, there is definitely some things that we expect to go down. The last 1 I would comment on is our data processing. We have spoken a bit about those costs. there is an expectation that we will have an opportunity to improve our run rate in that particular category. And that should show up potentially in the fourth quarter but more likely, first quarter of 2027. The building sale we have a little bit of additional cost in that particular line item as we are leasing space instead of owning it. The offset to that was higher interest income. We will deploy the proceeds there. So there is a lot of different things that add up to our expectations of being around $19 million, call it plus or minus, you know, $100 thousand-$200 thousand. So sorry. it is not a short answer, but a lot going on. And to your point, we work very hard to manage our overhead Yeah. No. I really do appreciate all the all the added color there. If I go back to just 1 question around the margin, if I look at your time deposit costs as of the third quarter, 3.60ish or so. Lynn, it sounded like pretty, you know, intense competition if you are looking against kind of the brokered market, or I would just imagine, in some of your local markets as well? Can you help frame just where new deposits are at today or where you feel like pricing, specifically on the time deposit side, needs to be in order to maintain or grow balances? Sure. So to your point, CD balances or CD rates, what we are observing in the market, 12-month money is very popular. 6 month money is priced probably just over 4%. 6-month, 1-year money given the expectation of rate hikes. Is up over. In the brokered market, up over 4.50. So competing for those dollars relative to our balance sheet, you know, we are definitely well over 4%. In that area. But as I mentioned earlier, a big part of our loan portfolio in addition to loan production is able to also participate in repricing So it is moving up significantly. In the deposit pricing category. Yep. Got it. Okay. Then just last 1 for me. it is good to see go ahead. I think 1 additional comment, which I think speaks to loan production. We focus on short term rates, which does impact call it, funding, right? The liabilities tend to reprice more immediately. And can create a bit of a headwind But the way it is getting addressed is through the repricing of our loan portfolio. But the long end of the curve is not moving up quite as aggressively, so curve seems to potentially be flattening out. Not perfect, but that does support additional production to then move generally this environment. So that is, I think, what will be a natural hedge against some of the deposit pricing. But you know, funding costs, will go up. That is unavoidable in the near term. Yep. Got it. And if I could just ask 1 last 1. Mean, it was good to see the sub debt redemption this quarter as a use of capital. You still got a pretty incredible capital position. The asset quality has improved significantly over the past couple of years. You know, your margins are better. ROA is better, but your stock is still trading, you know, a little bit below tangible book value. I guess when you when you put all that together, I know you are you are limited by liquidity a bit, but would you ever consider a tender offer? Are there other means to you know, rightsize or leverage the capital base a bit? Just would love to hear your thoughts there. Sure. No, thanks for the question. To your point, we do have a lot of capital. There is potential for leveraging that. I am not sure that I think we needed to put a few things in place, which is getting our credits to be think, better understood to your point, sustainable earnings I think the participation in our stock buyback program has been you know, consistent. And we are looking, I think, at the sub debt as well as maybe an opportunity to know, rightsize that relative to our balance sheet. But I do not know if I would say a tender offer on our stock at this point in time. Appreciate that we are trading below tangible book, so it is an attractive investment Got it. Thanks for taking the questions. Yeah.