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LiveRamp Holdings, Inc. (RAMP)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 2, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to LiveRamp’s Fiscal 2022 Second Quarter Earnings Call. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Lauren Dillard, Senior Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations.

Lauren Dillard

Analyst

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon and welcome. Thank you for joining us to discuss our fiscal 2022 second quarter results. With me today are Scott Howe, our CEO; Warren Jenson, President and CFO; and David Pann, our new Chief Product Officer. Today’s press release and this call may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. For a detailed description of these risks, please read the Risk Factors section of our public filings in the press release. A copy of our press release and financial schedules, including any reconciliation to non-GAAP financial measures, is available at liveramp.com. Also during the call today, we will be referring to the slide deck posted on our website. At this time, I will turn the call over to Scott.

Scott Howe

Analyst

Thanks, Lauren, and thanks to all of you for joining us today. We delivered an outstanding second quarter highlighted by accelerating topline growth, near record net new ARR and record margins. The market trends we discussed last quarter continue to play out and momentum is building across all areas of the business. I will begin today by sharing some highlights from the quarter and then talk about the opportunity we see to drive sustained high growth and profitability in FY 2023 and beyond. Second quarter performance, by almost any measure, Q2 was another exceptional quarter. Total revenue grew 22% and subscription revenue was up 23%. Normalizing for the wholesale contraction, total revenue grew 32% and subscription revenue was up 35%, a nice acceleration from last quarter. Bookings in the quarter again were strong and total growth bookings were up more than 30% in Q2 and up more than 40% on a trailing 12-month basis. From a margin standpoint, our gross margin expanded to 77% and we remain profitable with operating margin in the double digits. This performance is a reflection of the leverage in our model and demonstrates our continued ability to drive profitable growth at scale. In fact, as a leadership team, one of the key metrics we measure our progress against is the Rule of 40. The combined percentage of revenue growth and operating margin, and here, I feel really good about both our recent progress, we were at 36% in Q2 and the opportunity to drive this metric much higher over time, which perhaps is a nice segue to our longer term outlook. Our opportunity, my confidence in our future has truly never been greater and I would like to highlight three key investment themes fueling my optimism. First, we are operating from a strong strategic position.…

David Pann

Analyst

Thanks, Scott. It’s great to be on the call. I am David Pann, the new Chief Product Officer of LiveRamp. I joined at the beginning of September, after spending over 11 years working at Microsoft in the Microsoft Advertising Business. Over those 11 plus years, I had the opportunity to work with an incredible team to grow the Microsoft Advertising into a highly profitable global business. At Microsoft I was deeply involved in shaping our global product offerings. I had direct responsibility as the Vice President of the Global Business Advertising team over all of our marketing functions to business and product strategy, the marketplace product management, technology partnerships and our advertiser analytics across our search, native and display businesses. My experiences at Microsoft, Yahoo! and companies like NetIQ and Netscape had given me the opportunity to build large businesses at global scale by listening carefully to our clients to deliver solutions to real problems they have or will have in the future. I joined LiveRamp for the same reasons many people do, first, the LiveRamp team, second LiveRamp’s unique position, and third, the market opportunity. I’ve known members of the LiveRamp team for over a decade and as I got to know the exec team, my new leadership team, I realized I could learn from this team, I could teach this team and I could see myself working with them to scale LiveRamp’s business. I also felt LiveRamp was uniquely positioned in the market to help clients succeed in an unbiased manner to the product portfolio that was being designed and built for where the industry needs to go. Giving brands more control over how their data is used to grow their business, to reach customers in a trusted and permissioned way that builds deeper brand affinity, which create networks of collaboration within companies, across companies and across countries. What I’ve seen since joining LiveRamp is only made me more excited about the opportunities for our clients, partners and employees. LiveRamp has the people and core assets to have a bigger impact across industries. The momentum we have seen with connected TV and with Safe Haven is a clear demonstration of the unique position LiveRamp is in to help enterprises partner can collaborate across companies. As we focus more on our people, processes and products, it will accelerate the speed of collaboration within the company and with our clients and partners. This will also increase the speed of innovation in time to market at a global scale. Over the next few quarters, we’re going to work to integrate our product offerings, make them easier to use and leverage the data assets in our marketplace and put a focus on bringing more solutions to our global customers. I am excited about the future for our clients, partners and employees. With that, thanks for the opportunity to introduce myself. I will now turn the call over to Warren.

Warren Jenson

Analyst

Thanks, David, and welcome to LiveRamp. In the short time that you’ve been here your leadership and partnership have been outstanding and it’s great having you on the team. As I sat down to prepare my script, I thought about the messages you would hear from me. As you listened to my remarks, hopefully, a few themes will ring loudly, durability and resilience; performance, we again and have consistently delivered; relevance; and finally, competitive advantage. With that in mind, today I will focus my remarks on three areas. First, share a few highlights from Q2; next, discuss our global progress with Safe Haven; and finally, provide updated and raised guidance for Q3 and FY 2022. Q2 highlights, please turn to slide four. First, our growth continues to accelerate. Revenue of $127 million was up 22%, international up 17%, subscription revenue of 23%, while ARR increased 15%. Q2 was a near record for net new ARR. Our net new customer count increased by 15 this quarter and our brand ACV was up a stunning 23% year-over-year. Our $1 million customer count is now 80 up 10 sequentially and up 29% year-over-year. Net retention was 108% and platform net retention 109%, CRPO was up 23%, and finally, marketplace was up 16% in line with our expectations. As expected, our results continue to be negatively impacted by the wholesale contraction as is outlined on slide 16. We continue to expect this impact to be $30 million for the year and it was $8 million for the quarter. If you exclude this impact, consider the following, total revenue increased 32% and international up 33%, subscription revenue was up 35% and ARR of 27%, our net retention would have been 118% and platform net retention 117%. In short, while we don’t discount the impact of…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Shyam Patil with SIG.

Shyam Patil

Analyst

Hey, guys. Great quarter especially in such choppy macro and congrats Lauren.

Lauren Dillard

Analyst

Oh! Thanks, Shyam. Appreciate it.

Scott Howe

Analyst

We’re really…

Shyam Patil

Analyst

I had a couple. Yeah. It’s not exciting. I had a couple of questions. If we look at ARR, for several quarters in a row, it’s been very strong, 25% growth in fiscal 1Q, 27% growth this past quarter. How do you guys think about when revenue growth should more closely mirror ARR growth? And then, second question, in terms of the supply chain issues that we’re all seeing or that we expect to see in the fourth quarter, some advertising companies have called out global supply chain disruptions impacting advertising budgets potentially in the fourth quarter. Just wondering, if those issues do materialize, how would that show up for you guys, if at all? Thank you.

Warren Jenson

Analyst

Let me go ahead and take the first part then maybe Scott can comment on the supply chain. I think we would pretty much argue you’re already seeing it and I am using some numbers excluding the impact of wholesale. ARR, as you mentioned, up 27% in Q2, revenue up -- subscription revenue up 35%. For the full year, we talked about subscription revenue, again, excluding the impact of wholesale being up 30%, which we’re obviously very proud of. Similarly, unexpect ARR to be up about 30%. So by and large, it’s really tracking already,

Scott Howe

Analyst

And Shyam on your second question, we -- you will never hear us claim to be recession proof. But I will just point to, I think, the numbers we shared earlier that 83% of our revenue last quarter was subscription driven. In recessions as a result we don’t necessarily feel the impact that others who have variable media businesses would, and in fact, we’ve often benefited during any kind of slowdown, it’s even more important for advertisers to focus their tactics on things that have proven ROI and addressability. If we were to see anything and we’re not seeing in our numbers right now. You would see it in two places. One would be the usage component of our subscriptions and we looked at that number actually even earlier that’s really remained constant over the last few months and indeed last few weeks. And then the second place where you potentially see it would be in our marketplace business, which tends to be more variable, and as we have in the past. This is where we probably injected a little bit more conservatism into our numbers. We think appropriately so given the market and the fact that we don’t have as good a line of sight into that variable component as we do into the subscription.

Shyam Patil

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, guys.

Scott Howe

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Coolbrith with Wells Fargo Securities.

Robert Coolbrith

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities.

Hi. Good afternoon and thanks for taking the questions and also congratulations, Lauren. I think last quarter you gave us a growth rate on Safe Haven bookings just wondering if you could maybe give us an update on that with a $10 million milestone. And then it sounds like you’re continuing to see a lot of success in core retail and CPG? But you had some nice wins outside of those like GSK in the past. Just wondering if you could talk through maybe what categories fit those naturally with Safe Haven outside of core retail and CPG and where the value proposition outside of those two, it’s sort of resonating more strongly today?

Scott Howe

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities.

Thank you. I will go ahead and jump in and talk a little bit about I guess just - our overall reception for Safe Haven across multiple different industries. Obviously, as I mentioned during the formal part of my script our bookings remain very, very strong up well over 100% year-over-year and that really continues. The other thing that I would tell you, I just got back from literally spending the last three weeks in Europe. And during that time I met with companies in France, I met with companies in Spain and in Belgium, the CEOs of the large telcos not every but virtually every large publisher. And the interesting thing is everybody is really excited about the potential of what Safe Haven is bringing to the table, and in particular the partnership that we’ve struck with Carrefour. We’re seeing that kind of interest really now across industries. We’re seeing it in financial services. We’re seeing it in healthcare. We’re seeing it in retail in other parts of the industry to. So we think the momentum bottomline is incredibly strong. One other interesting piece of anecdote, we were talking with particular publisher in Belgium about Safe Haven and also ATS and integrating and out of that not only came the commitment for an integration, but also came pipeline, because they became incredibly interested and actually adopting this platform for their selves. And then, finally, I just want to reemphasize. Is that we are playing with competitive advantage. I won’t go through the same points that I did in the script, but we bring to the table, things that others cannot and that’s why we’re winning. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of opportunity to capture, it’s great having David on the team, and we look forward to continuing to report our progress in the quarters ahead.

Robert Coolbrith

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dan Salmon with BMO.

Dan Salmon

Analyst · BMO.

Great. Good afternoon, everyone. I had few questions.

Scott Howe

Analyst · BMO.

Hey Dan.

Dan Salmon

Analyst · BMO.

Hey. So first just curious about your expectations for new client growth now that mobility is increasing again and presumably you can get out, you would start to new prospective customers in person more that was the first thing. And then second IPG had some comments on their call about the new identity solution, they’re rolling out from their Kinesso business? Could you just remind us there for just the state of your relationship with IPG and possibly remind us what proportion of your revenue comes from the licensing arrangement for AbiliTec with Acxiom specifically?

Scott Howe

Analyst · BMO.

Yes. Dan, I will jump in on your first question around the client counts. We had added a net of 15 last quarter, I mean realistically I would have like that to be a little bit higher. Given the traction we’re getting in the marketplace right now. But I would say, kind of sitting above that is I am really, really ecstatic with the quality and size of the clients that we’ve been winning. And so, in my prepared remarks I talked about the increase in ACV. We are winning. If you looked at the list that we won last quarter you would recognize, every single one of the brands and they are doing more sophisticated things with us on Safe Haven and television. We even one I was looking at the list this morning, one of the largest automotive manufacturers in Italy. So it really I think starts to embody two things that we’ve been talking about the sophistication - products like Safe Haven and also the position we’re in internationally given our unique capabilities and Safe Haven and ATS to really get the flywheel going overseas.

Warren Jenson

Analyst · BMO.

And then, Dan, let me just comment on your last question, the size of the licensing portion is about $20 million.

Dan Salmon

Analyst · BMO.

And then just maybe sort of any broader comments on sort of the evolution of your relationship with IPG1?

Scott Howe

Analyst · BMO.

Look, we have a great relationship. We work with them across many, many clients and we would expect that relationship to continue for an awful long time. So I’d say our overall relationship is very solid. Obviously any sun-setting of that licensing agreement down, it is a ways off. So that’s yes, I think in the short-term, but I would also tell you that any potential loss in revenue, we’re more than confident we can offset with upside.

David Pan

Analyst · BMO.

Yes. Dan is so interesting. I feel like I’ve answered the same question and you can kind of fill in the blank through the questions being asked about because so many companies are talking about their unique approach to an identity solution. The one common denominator across all of those companies now is we’re working with them, and in fact more than I ran the numbers last week. There are over 400 different identity nodes to which were connected right now and we don’t look at any of them as competition. Rather, we view our role in the industry is being the Rosetta Stone that ties all those things together. The real bonus for us is when, ever anyone is talking about things like identity or regulation or authentication or clean rooms they’re actually doing our marketing for us. Because we’re so strong in those areas and our neutrality allows us to park alongside so many other partners and make what they’re doing better.

Dan Salmon

Analyst · BMO.

That’s great. Thank you both.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Stan Zlotsky with Morgan Stanley.

Elizabeth Elliott

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Hi. This is Elizabeth Elliott on for Stan. Great jump in the number of customers that are spending over $1 million in ARR 80% from 70% in the last two quarters. How should we think about the mix of new logos coming in at larger sizes and kind of existing customers just - crossing that threshold and greater upsell or cross-sell any factors to call out driving the bigger than normal increase?

Scott Howe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes. This is Scott here again. What I would tell you again, it is. Yes, we would like to win see our number of new client adds at an even higher level. But if you look at the client wins that we’ve had over the last six months to a year and I talked about this in my prepared remarks, it’s been amazing how quickly. They’ve embraced even more sophisticated products. And so we can bring them in, and maybe they cut their teeth on something like activation on major sites. But then very quickly they’re embracing Safe Haven or television and as they later in more and more of those products. They become - we increase our share of wallet. So that’s - that upsell is really driven our growth over the last six months. Again now long-term, I’d like to see an even greater number of new customers added to the franchise.

David Pan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

One thing that I would add to what Scott said. You should also not think of Safe Haven as the end product. There is a whole slew of upsell opportunities, once the Safe Haven platform is in place and as we look at our product roadmap we’re adding more and more capabilities really every quarter.

Elizabeth Elliott

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Great. That’s super helpful. And just as a follow-up, it looks like the marketplace revenue growth slowed in the quarter and curious if IDFA has any impact here or if there’s anything specific to slide four for the slowdown?

Warren Jenson

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

A little bit of slowing, but I just, I guess I would remind everybody that Q1 we had and - that we had a pretty easy comp. And so we had obviously huge quarter in Q1. Overall, our guidance has remained unchanged for marketplace. And interestingly I’d point to the data marketplace separately it was up 27% in the quarter. And we’re expecting it to be up close to 30% for the year. So overall, this performance remains very strong.

Scott Howe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

And Liz so this wasn’t your exact question, but let me just riff on what Warren said really respond to your point on IDFA and - same thing is true on Apple iOS 15 and Google cookie deprecation. There’s been a lot of news about different things happening in the industry and other than the sunsetting of the wholesale revenue that we talked about last year. We haven’t seen any material impact and don’t anticipate any material impact from those kinds of changes. Our coverage our capabilities really span multiple touch points, it’s programmatic, it’s mobile, it’s in app, it’s CTV, it’s social media, call centers. And so within that mix sometimes we see who the winners and losers are but the mega trend is what we point to and that is that companies want to utilize their data at the places that matter. And so to the extent that some are available and others are not. It just shifts the money into things that are available. We see it and we benefit from it.

Elizabeth Elliott

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Right. Thank you so much.

Scott Howe

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kirk Materne with Evercore ISI.

Kirk Materne

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Thanks very much. Congrats on the quarter and I will add my, congrats to Lauren on her promotion as well. I guess for you Scott, you talked in your comments just about the pipeline you’re seeing with your partners. I was wondering how confident you are in that, meaning it’s sometimes tough to get visibility when you’re working with a partner. How do you feel about sort of the quality of the pipeline you’re seeing with the partners that you’re working with at this point in time, whether it’s SIs or GCP, et cetera. And then Warren just one for you, obviously net retention rate of 118% when you back out the wholesale its really impressive and starting to pull it on so best-in-class for SaaS companies, is that sustainable, I mean how should we think about that as things sort of normalize as we go into calendar 2022 and fiscal 2023? Thanks.

Scott Howe

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Kirk, if I look at the last couple of years, and indeed the success we’ve had this year alone. So much of that has been around major brands company that any of us would recognize and probably in many cases are manufacture products that each of use. So direct brands, but I think you’re right in highlighting. We see a real opportunity going forward through some of these other channel partners. In three areas in particular, first would be with systems integrators or consultants, they have been really key in many of the major Safe Haven wins that we’ve had. Those have been with recognized brands, some of the world’s biggest companies and so they’re - oftentimes using SI and consultants to help shape their decision. Warren and his team have just done a fabulous job at educating those kinds of partners who we are such that they are recommending us as part of the build. Our second major opportunity for us, which you hit on is cloud and James Arra who ran our sales force and did it just excellently for nearly a decade is leading the charge on that. And we like - really nice win that came through GCP last quarter. I think that is just a taste of what could come and then a third area for us that we probably don’t talk about as much that we have a guy named Grant Ries, one of the founders of BlueKai leading the charge on is in emerging markets and he is focusing on things like contact centers, healthcare other use cases and those are probably a little bit further afield for us. But when you take all three together, they should be a driver of long-term sustainable growth. And to your direct question, do we have a lot of visibility in the pipeline. Well through the conversations yes. But I would also tell you that this is all upside for us. So it’s a really nice place for us to be. This is - kind of the first couple of years, really the last 24 months we’ve really started to put our muscle behind this.

Warren Jenson

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

And let me make a few comments on your retention question we like you are very pleased with the performance at 118 and really when you go through the drivers, whether it was upsell we had a very strong quarter with variable, which added to our overall net retention rate. We benefited from lower contraction so all the drivers were really working in our favor. Our guide for Q3 is consistent with our Q2 performance. So call it again ex-wholesale in the neighborhood of 118 could be give or take one site one side or the other. Obviously we won’t guide beyond that. But I think it’s important to at least in my mind, just thinking about the drivers and the drivers are of the relevance of our products and the innovation that we’re bringing to the table and the market reception that we’re receiving. And right now, the momentum is in our favor. So I guarantee there will be ups and downs in future quarters, but a lot of things are working in our favor right now.

Kirk Materne

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Super. Thank you.

Warren Jenson

Analyst · Evercore ISI.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Kreyer with Craig-Hallum.

Jason Kreyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Great. Thanks from me. Scott, I wanted to piggyback up an earlier comment you made just on cookie deprecation and curious if you change if you’ve seen any change in user behavior on ATS as far as usage rates or pipeline or anything like that and the handful of months since Google announced that delay? And then second, obviously strong quarter in terms of ARR in bookings especially from existing customers just curious, can you call out specific product areas that are - that you saw is kind of the main drivers in the quarter. I know we’ve kind of talked a lot about Safe Haven so far just wondering, anything else in terms of CTV or other particular products there? Thanks.

Scott Howe

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Sure, I will start and on ATS. I would tell you we’re really pleased with where we’re at the markets really embraced us. We feel like we’ve reached critical scale. I want to say by last measure. We have 90% reach to U.S. audiences and we are quite frankly the only solution and many international markets. We have 75% of the comp score 50 largest publishers signed up 500 plus publishers overall an amazing statistic. 70% of consumer time spent online sit on top of LiveRamp solutions either ATS or a direct ramp ID integration. So we truly have reached a point of critical scale. What’s really interesting though is that the conversation has changed and last week I presented at digital Conference in New York and I saw there so many times over that a year ago, the conversation was around Google or Apple and what they’re doing in the impact of regulation and readiness. Now given the number of case studies and the yield improvements that publishers have seen through authentication and the ROI improvements that advertisers have seen through authentication the conversation has shifted in a really meaningful exciting way. People are talking about this now because they see it as a - an enhancement and improvement over what they’ve been doing for the last 20 plus years. It’s just the case that authentication works better than cookies and so that is now starting to power the conversation and the adoption, which is I think a much healthier place for the ecosystem to be and bodes well for us also.

Warren Jenson

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

And then let me talk a little bit of about bookings. I will share a couple of interesting stats that go into one level of detail on our various products and I am going to use a look at trailing 12 months and trailing six months metrics. First of all, just some added color on Safe Haven I mentioned on a trailing 12-month basis, up over 150% on a trailing six-month basis, up over 200%. TV trailing 12-month up over 75% and on a trailing six-month basis, well over 50% growth so both Safe Haven and TV continue to deliver.

Jason Kreyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

And when you talk about TV that’s both linear and CTV correct you’re not breaking the two out?

Warren Jenson

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

No. It’s really CTV.

Jason Kreyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tim Nollen with Macquarie.

Tim Nollen

Analyst · Macquarie.

Hi. Thanks. Good timing because my question actually is on CTV, you’ve spoken in the past about what Data Plus Math has been doing, you had announced partnership with comScore a little while back and I just saw something recently about a partnership with Innovid. So I wonder if you could just talk a little bit more about your work and CTV, and if that’s really tied to measurement, which is a really hot topic in the CTV here and just the TV space or in the media space, I should say broadly these days. In a particular role the clean rooms, I think are becoming more important in playing if you could just give us some color on that be great? Thanks.

Scott Howe

Analyst · Macquarie.

Well, Tim, I think, you hit on something, we’re really excited about overall CTV continues to be a real bright spot for LiveRamp I think were up about 70% in CTV, year-over-year in Q2. In Q2, we also announced an enhanced TV platform that just makes it easier for our clients to do integrated planning, activation and TV measurement. We have some really cool case studies that’s probably premature for me to share, but some stuff I am really excited to talk about that show the impact, television viewership on buying and visitation activity and so a lot of good news there. And to your point, the whole conversation about television is really now one about measurement. That for too long television was the one thing that we couldn’t measure other than reach and now the same sophistication that advertisers are utilizing across the rest of their marketing plan, they’re starting to apply to television. And to your final point, we’re starting to see that manifest itself in all kinds of interesting Safe Haven opportunities. Because it’s natural if your focus is on measurement then the next thing is what data, do you want to bring to bear to create more personalized advertising. And we think there is a lot of interesting collaborations that are possible between advertisers and major television publishers and we are really in an interesting spot to be the leader in that.

Warren Jenson

Analyst · Macquarie.

And Tim I would add just one line this is a global opportunity it’s not simply a domestic one.

Tim Nollen

Analyst · Macquarie.

Oh! Sure. Perfect. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jack Andrews with Needham and Company.

Jack Andrews

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Well, good afternoon, guys. Congratulations on the results.

Scott Howe

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Hi Jack.

Jack Andrews

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Yes. Just given the strength you’re seeing in demand around Safe Haven I was just wondering how much of opportunity do you think there might be to develop some sort of self-serve capability around this or is there demand to effectively democratize this among a much broader set of customers?

Scott Howe

Analyst · Needham and Company.

But we’re going to turn this one over to David Pan.

David Pan

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Hey, Jack. Thanks. It’s great to be on the call with the team here. Jack, I think you’ve hit on a great point. With the success we’ve seen with Safe Haven. We think that building in self service automation bit of machine learning in AI we can actually propel the deployment of Safe Haven, not just in the retail space, but across multiple verticals. So we’re super excited about the opportunity that opens us up to, but the simplification of that it gives really takes a lot of the friction out of the business that our clients are seeing today.

Jack Andrews

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Appreciate the color. Thanks. And maybe David, if I could just a follow-up with another question for you, just could you speak to maybe philosophically, how do you view sort of the build versus buy trade off in terms of organic product development versus maybe opportunities to accelerate the product roadmap through tuck-in M&A?

David Pan

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Yes. Great question. I think first -- I will say we’ve done the team that we have on is amazing. I am - more excited today two months into the job than I was when I walked in the door. It’s an amazing team - and what I am super excited about also is just the traction we’re seeing across not just Safe Haven, but all of the product portfolios and the ability to really integrate them even more so to bring kind of capacity to the market into our teams. I think we will look strategically at places where we think that an acquisition makes more sense to help solve customer problems that we don’t think we can do in a timely manner of that -- where we will kind of look at that - in a strategic way and there is I think there may be opportunities, but it’s more on kind of as a need basis.

Scott Howe

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Yes. And Jack judge us by our track record over the last 10 years in any given year, we probably kicked the tires on 100 different things and then in any given year, we probably do one and most two small tuck-in acquisitions, we are pretty strategic. We tend to be very collaborative with potential tuck-ins. They tend to have a long, long runway and by the time we get certainty. It is a really smart bet on our part because we know exactly the personality the capabilities and the fit of those businesses. So all this to say is, don’t expect us to break with our character, because we’re not going to.

Jack Andrews

Analyst · Needham and Company.

Understood. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

We have a follow-up question from the line of Robert Coolbrith with Wells Fargo Securities.

Robert Coolbrith

Analyst

Thanks. I really appreciate. I wanted to ask a quick follow-up on iOS, our understanding is that there may be a carve out there for things like uploaded marketing lists upload custom value and things like that. So, just wondering if you’re seeing a client going into those types of strategies given that there may be seeing some visibility or targeting challenges using some of the Facebook or the other platforms other products? And just given the shifting privacy landscape, if you’re seeing your customer’s really sort of double ban and that’s more in gathering sort of fully permission list of their customers and things of that nature. So any insight on that would be great? Thank you.

Scott Howe

Analyst

Yes. Robert, I am going to talk to our team and circle back to you with some color, but I would tell you that my number one takeaway on this is the council we are giving to virtually every publisher every app manufacturer and every client is there is no substitute for direct authentication. Do not allow yourself to be disintermediated, do not allow yourself to be part of a carve out that could change or try to trick the technology. No be transparent with your consumers explain why you want to collect their data and what the value exchange for them will be and if you do that you actually generate a better customer experience. Now that philosophy is being taken the heart by our advertisers and publishers and that is spurring a lot of the demand that we’re seeing for things like Safe Haven because our clients and partners with the recognizing is it’s really hard for them to go with alone. They need to collaborate with their partners, but they need to do it in a privacy compliant secure way. And so the fact that we’re neutral that we’re agnostic and that we’ve built this kind of clean room technology. We’ve talked about it for well over a decade positions us really well in a world where first party data is the most valuable data.

Robert Coolbrith

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the call back over to Warren for any closing remarks.

Warren Jenson

Analyst

Great, well thank you, Operator, and thanks everybody for joining us. Let me just conclude with a few final thoughts kind of coming back to the more formal part of our script today. First it is awesome being part of a great company and looking around the table it’s really great to work with people like Lauren and David Pan to go do great things. We have the right products at the right time. Our technology is core to our customers, data management transformation and digital strategies, durability, resilience and global relevance. And lastly let me add to that the competitive advantage we are playing with competitive advantage. Our foundations are strong. Our momentum continues to build and finally we’re just getting started so on behalf of Scott and me and the rest of the team here. Thanks again for joining us.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference call. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.