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Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 2, 2021

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Nicoletta Russo

Management

Welcome to everyone who's joining us. Today, we plan to cover our Group's Q3 2021 Operating Results. In light of this, the duration of the call is expected to be around 60 minutes. Today's call will be offset by the Group CEO, Mr. Benedetto Vigna; and Group CFO, Mr. Antonio Picca Piccon. All relevant materials are available in the Investors section of the Ferrari corporate website. And at the end of the presentation, we will be available to answer your questions. Before we begin, let me remind you that any forward-looking statements we might make during today's call are subject to the risks and uncertainties mentioned in the safe harbor statement included on Page 2 of today's presentation, and the call will be governed by this language. With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Benedetto Vigna.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Gracias, Nicoletta, thank you so much. And thank you, everyone, for joining us today. First of all, I would like to say that it's a great honor for me to be here today for the first time as Ferrari CEO and even a great honor to take you through the latest result of this wonderful company. Before joining this team, I always had the huge admiration for Ferrari, for its people, its achievement and of course, for its incredible cars and raising expertise, all brought together under a legendary brand that's known and respected all around the world. Now that I am in the previous position of being on this side, leading this unique company, my admiration is so much greater. But before we talk about the last quarter, I'd like to share with you a little bit of my experience here in Ferrari during the first weeks since I arrived in Maranello. First and foremost, I've been getting to know our highly motivated and skilled team and I've been very much impressive by their dedication to every detail, by their knowledge and by their skill. But most of all, by their openness to learning and improving everything we do, every step of the way. They all want to take Ferrari to new, even greater levels. They have made me feel very much at home from day 1. So I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone in the company for their warm welcome. We have no doubt, we have many exciting and rewarding times ahead of us, in which our opportunities have never been greater. And what convinces me of this, more than ever, are the following three key factors that I've seen so clearly expressed my colleague in my first weeks. I refer to passion, I refer…

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

Gracias, Benedetto and good morning or afternoon to everyone who is joining us today. The warmest welcome to you, Benedetto, also by me and the whole team here and the promise of our tireless commitment to drive Ferrari towards even brighter achievements, we’ll be at your side. Now let’s come to our quarter. Starting on Page 4, you can see the highlights of the Q3 2021 earnings. A very solid set of results across all metrics and exceptionally strong on industrial free cash flow generation. Our shipments were 2,750 units, up 18.9% versus the prior year and up 11.2% versus the third quarter of 2019. Group net revenues we €1.053 billion, increased by 18.6% versus prior year and up 15.1% versus 2019, driven mainly by volume and stronger product mix. EBITDA came in at €371 million, up 12.4% versus the third quarter of 2020 and up 19.6% versus Q3 2019. As already mentioned in previous earnings call, the EBITDA margin decreased compared to H1 2021 level of 37.3% as entry-level models were ramping up as expected and OpEx grew in line with our programs. Compared to Q3 2020, the EBITDA margin was also down since in such quarter of last year, the estimates of the F1 sponsorship and commercial revenues were revised upward and the impact of cost containment measures undertaken to react to the pandemic became fully visible. EBIT was €270 million, up 21.8% versus Q3 2020 and up 19.2% versus Q3 2019. Net profit was €207 million, up 20.8% versus the third quarter of 2020 and up 22.4% versus Q3 2019, resulting in diluted EPS of €1.11, up 20.7% versus prior year. Industrial free cash flow for the quarter was exceptionally strong at €242 million, supported mainly by the collection of the advances for the 812 Competizione. Turning…

Nicoletta Russo

Management

Thank you, Antonio. We are now ready to start the Q&A session. Over to you, Sarah. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We will now take our first question from the line of Thomas Besson at Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Your line open.

Thomas Besson

Analyst

Thank you very much. It’s Thomas Besson, Kepler Cheuvreux. I’ll have a couple of questions, please.

Nicoletta Russo

Management

I’m sorry, Thomas, we have some difficulty hearing you. Could you kindly speak closer to the microphone, please?

Thomas Besson

Analyst

Yes. Sorry for that, Nicoletta. Is it better now?

Nicoletta Russo

Management

Definitely. Thank you very much.

Thomas Besson

Analyst

Thank you. So it’s Thomas, Kepler Cheuvreux. I have a couple of questions. The first one may be quite unusual, but it’s the first time we have a chance to speak with you, Benedetto. Could you please tell us about your hiring process and what you believe have been the key qualities you bring in that have made you the one selected to run this company.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Hi, Thomas. Nice meeting here. Thanks for your question. Pretty interesting. What I believe, I can bring in Ferrari is three things. I think I can bring the experience that I’ve been able to navigate in the previous company through times when – in an environment that is pretty, I mean, changing pretty fast. So I think this is one thing I can bring. The second, I have been able and I’ve been exposed to pretty much international world. So I think this is also another contribution I can bring to the team. And last, I think, is about the leadership style that helped me to drive the team in the previous company to achieve the results that I think you have seen from the other company a few days ago. So these are the three things: international experience, leadership style and ability to manage situation in a changing time.

Thomas Besson

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much. My second question is more classic for an earnings school. It will relate to the comments you may eventually make on CapEx for requirements for Ferrari for this year. And I think for the future, you’ll probably want to wait until June to give us more details. You’ve talked about CapEx being essentially in the last month of the year. Can we still expect the previous guidance to hold? Or are you going to be able to spend slightly less on plan for this year?

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

On this year I just explained, we are revising our estimates towards €750 million. And this is just better spending and skewed towards the end of the year with no delays. With respect to the future years, I think it’s important that we wait for the call as of the end of this year. We’ll provide you with indication on 2022. And then, of course, we’ll have the Capital Market Day, and we’ll outline the future there.

Thomas Besson

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of Monica Bosio with Intesa SanPaolo. Please go ahead your line is open.

Monica Bosio

Analyst · Intesa SanPaolo. Please go ahead your line is open.

Good afternoon, everyone and thanks for taking my question. And welcome to Benedetto. I have two questions. The first one, if you can give us a flavor on the waiting list. And if you had some supply chain problem that could have affected the waiting list. And if yes, is the company is going to implement some action or to revise the general philosophy of the waiting list if they are too long. And the second question is on the order intake. I don’t know if you can give us some color, but I would really appreciate some color from a country level standpoint. Thank you very much.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

So Monica, thanks for the warm welcome. I hope to see you also in person maybe here in Maranello. So I will start from the supply chain. The supply chain, I have to say that the team here – the team in Ferrari with also the support of suppliers have been able to manage properly this situation that many players are facing all over the world. So I have to express really a kind word for the team here and also for the supplier that have been supporting us. This is about the supply chain. About the net order intake as I said also in my part, there is, for sure, there are some – the new models, like the 296 GTB, for example, that is doing pretty well. That’s what I said. But there is also a strong positive trend across all the markets and all the segments. So this is very, very, very positive. For the waiting list, I don’t know, Antonio, if you want to add something, but...

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

Hi, Monica. As usual, we are above one year coverage for all models, and some of them are already sold out.

Monica Bosio

Analyst · Intesa SanPaolo. Please go ahead your line is open.

Okay. Thank you. So no problem on the waiting list as for the supply chain. Everything is under control. Is it okay?

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

Yes, this is correct, Monica.

Monica Bosio

Analyst · Intesa SanPaolo. Please go ahead your line is open.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of Giulio Pescatore at Exane. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Giulio Pescatore

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my question and welcome to Benedetto. The first one, I would like to go back to a comment that was made by your predecessor. I mean he said in the past that he never saw – he we didn’t see Ferrari becoming completely electric in the foreseeable future. I know you want to wait for next year or if you give us more color on this, but maybe can you just express your thinking around the electrification issue?

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Giulio, I think that, in general, technologies are needed to address needs of the customer to delight them. What I would like to say is that we, as a company, started our electrification path already a few years ago. It was the case of LaFerrari and then it is the case now with the SF90 Ferrari. We will continue. And as our Chairman said in the previous call, we will unveil the full electric car in 2025. And I will be more delighted to show you the full plan when we meet here in 16 of June next year.

Giulio Pescatore

Analyst

Okay. Fair enough. And just maybe one question on a comment you made just said that the company will continue to follow a disciplined approach to investments. Can you maybe elaborate a bit on the statement you made.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Yes, I think this is an important point. In all my career, I have always optimized the use of the capital to reach some goal. So I believe that the beauty of our work is to make sure that we reach the goal optimizing the use of the capital. That’s what I did in the previous company. That’s what I intend to do here with the team. Capital discipline is very important. Otherwise, let me say it this way, innovation would be too easy if you don’t have any boundary constraint.

Giulio Pescatore

Analyst

Okay. And maybe one last one on more short-term. If you think about the new car you’re presenting in November, should the deposit for this model for the same person that the deposits for the month as follow so very strong inflows in maybe Q1, Q2 next year.

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

Hi, Giulio, Antonio speaking. Yes, we expect it to follow a similar path. It will not impact 2021 though, will start from 2022.

Giulio Pescatore

Analyst

Perfect. Thank you very much. And good luck.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of Susy Tibaldi at UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Susy Tibaldi

Analyst

Hi. Thank you for taking my question and good to hear from you, Benedetto. So one question to just go back to the waiting list, I wanted to ask what’s your view, your personal view on retaining the exclusivity of the brand and at the same time, you have this order book that continue to expand, and you will eventually reach a point where consumers either have to wait too long or you’ll be in a position to choose either to prioritize the price. So maybe increase the price mix a little bit more aggressively or having to increase the volume production. So in a philosophical way, like what’s your view on this scenario, which is obviously, it’s not a good place to be in, but it would be interesting to see how you approach this.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Hi, Susy. Clearly, I mean, the waiting list as Antonio said, is in good position. And I think that’s also already what we started. There is a way to manage it properly, playing with the price. And in fact, we already started to increase the price so that we can manage it properly this situation. But we have also to say that usually, what we see is that customers that want Ferrari, they also are willing to wait a little bit because when you drive a Ferrari, you don’t drive a car, you drive a Ferrari car. And I think the unique experience you get over there are memorable. So on one side, we are increasing price. On the other side, we believe that the Ferrari experience so that the people are going to stay and willing to do it.

Susy Tibaldi

Analyst

Understood. And in terms of the full year guidance that you updated today. If we look at what this implies for the fourth quarter in terms of EBITDA, is only low to mid-single-digit increase year-over-year. And given all the strength that you’re seeing in the order book and the great line up that you have, it does feel a little bit conservative. And I wanted to check if there is any operational reason for it or if it’s your way of managing the business growth?

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

Antonio answering. Hi Susy. I think I made a comment in my speech already in the previous two calls. We have two elements that are impacting the end of the year. One is mix, which is a bit less strong compared to the first nine months and the previous half, particularly. The second one is OpEx that are growing a bit unusually compared to the previous year, and it is also in relation with F1. To the opposite, we see opportunities related to an uncertain element, which are revenues from the F1 commercial holders that we do not put into the numbers. So the result is what we outlined now as a guidance.

Susy Tibaldi

Analyst

Perfect. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of Michael Binetti at Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Michael Binetti

Analyst

Thanks guys for taking our question. Benedetto, let me add my welcome to you. Very, very forward to working with you on the story here over the next few years. I know there’s a lot of questions on guidance and everything today. But just backing up very simply, what do you think is the EV opportunity for a pinnacle luxury car company over the next five to 10 years? And then on Formula 1, since the business has a lot of overlap there, they’ve been very clear in the direction of their future power units, sustainable fuels and hybrid engines, they’ve talked about in the media quite a lot. How do you see the historical strategy for Ferrari of transferring Formula 1 technology into new road cars evolving over the next five to 10 years?

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Hi, Michael. So I would start to talk about your first question. How do you see the opportunity? I would turn this in how do you see the opportunity that the new technologies offer to us. Because I believe – and I don’t want to repeat myself, but it’s really a profound belief I have. I believe that the technologies are really a way to make some unique, distinctive products that delight the customer. So now we are talking about different propulsion schemes that are using, let’s say, electrical engine. And this is something for sure, is an opportunity for us. And that’s the reason why we have been sharing with you partially, not in detail – not yet in detail, our electrification plan. What I would like also to say is that when under the same umbrella, you have also the possibility to take technologies that are made for racing. I think there is a unique opportunity in this sense. And I have to say that in these two months, I have gone – I spent some time with the colleague in the laboratories, and I have seen really something interesting, really something interesting. I’m sorry, I cannot say too much, but 16 of June, we will provide more color on this, Michael.

Michael Binetti

Analyst

Well, thank you for that. And I guess let me ask you, what would you say to those in the financial markets early on since we still have a ways to go until June that are concerned about a small company’s ability to pivot to technologies that have required a lot of investment in other areas like electric vehicle and other non petro-engine technologies. And the levels of investment it might take for a small car company like this to capitalize on those opportunities.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

I would say only one thing, Michael. I would say that the solution is to go through partnership. We have on one side is true, we are small. On the other side, it's also true that we have a strong brand on – in general, and this is also what I did in the other company. I think it's important to leverage at the best the partnership. So it's important that you select the areas where you want to excel. And on the others, you work with partners. This is what I believe is important for financial market to keep in mind. Clearly, if you want to do everything by yourself, it's going to be a challenge. You have to select what you do by yourself and what you do with partners. That's the answer, Michael.

Michael Binetti

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much. Look forward to see the new Icona. We'll talk soon.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of Philippe Houchois, Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Nicoletta Russo

Management

Philippe, we cannot hear you. Maybe you are muted.

Philippe Houchois

Analyst

Can you hear me – do you have me now?

Nicoletta Russo

Management

Yes, now we can. Thank you, Philippe.

Philippe Houchois

Analyst

Apologies for that. And welcome to you, Benedetto. We look forward to hearing what you tell us in June. I have two questions. Maybe one, Antonio, you can help is that there's a discussion around China and this prosperity politics. And every car maker, extensive cars or cheap cars tells me no problem. I know you had record deliveries in China again. But do you see on the ground any risk to your business plan in China, not selling cars, but maybe the upside you're expecting in China over the next few years be reduced as a result of this shift in politics. And the second question for you, Benedetto, maybe is on kind of building a bit on what Thomas asked at the beginning, in your selection process and what your road map or your brief is from John Elkann at Ferrari. I look back at Ferrari, it's the ultimate compounding business. And your predecessor always talked about being custodians of the brand. And I'm just wondering, in your discussion with John, how much of your job is to be a custodian, how much of it is to be a disruptor within the limits, of course, the fact you need to keep building on the history. But I'm trying to kind of understand your road map and how much of a rupture might expect from you at Ferrari?

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Okay. I'll take this one, Philippe. Thank you. I'll take the last one. And then for China, Antonio will reply. So I'd like to say the following. My leadership style has been always, I would say, on the transformational side, with a strong focus on the result. I think that being a custodian of the brand and being, let me say, innovator on the product side are strictly linked. If you want as I said in my opening, if you want to develop and if you want to evolve the brand itself over the time, you have to – if you want to be a true guardian of the brand, then you have to follow to adapt the product, to keep it unique to go through innovation. So I think that the two dimensions go hand in hand. And again, to be custodian of the brand, the guardian of the brand, you have to read, to interpret the technologies, the offer of the technology in a unique, distinctive way like Ferrari does. Antonio, if you want to comment about...

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

Hi, Philippe. On China, for the time being, the order intake is surprisingly strong. Looking to the future, I think back in 2018, the Capital Market Day, we stated we are not betting on a significant change in or significant development there. So at least for the time being and comparing with our targets, whatever happens, there should not be a material drag. And all what could come from China compared to what we are used to should be a positive if there is an upside.

Philippe Houchois

Analyst

Thank you very much folks.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of George Galliers at Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

George Galliers

Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. And Benedetto, welcome from me as well. I just wanted to come back to the unveiling for this year and also as we complete this five-year business plan. At the beginning of the year, you mentioned there would be three unveilings in 2021. And at Q2, you said you have brought three new models to the market during the quarter with the 296, the 812 Competizione and the 812 Competizione Aperta. So I'm just trying to understand if it was always planned to unveil the next-generation Icona this year or whether there's been a pull forward? And also with respect to the 15 new launches between 2019 and 2022, is that still very much what you plan? Or could that now be 2023. On the same path, you also back at the 2018 planning stage, it said that you expected your hybrid mix for next year to be around 60%. Is that still your best estimate? Or are we looking at something lower than that given the products you've presently launched? Thank you.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Okay. Coming to the first question is, did you plan for this launch of Icona. I think here, the answer is very simple. We planned in – I mean, we decided that during the year to launch the Icona in November mostly because we saw a strong willingness and need, I would say, the customer were so eager to get a new Icona. So we felt the responsibility in front of them to satisfy, to accommodate their request. So this is why we pushed, we anticipated, I would say, this fourth launch. This is about it. Coming to the percentage split by propulsion, I will avoid to give any split how much is hybrid, how much is ICE. What I can tell you is that we are proceeding according to the plan, while for the future, for the year to come, we will present a very clear path forward with all the color in the detail during our next Capital Market Day.

George Galliers

Analyst

Great. Thank you and very much looking forward to that event next year. Thank you.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Thank you, George.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of Martino De Ambroggi, Equita SIM. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Martino De Ambroggi

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon everybody. Also from my side, welcome, Benedetto. And the first question is for you. So what you're feeling, your opinion, what is the maximum level of volumes in order to preserve the exclusivity of Ferrari? And the second because I heard a lot of opportunities around, I agree. But what are the main risks you perceive apart from capital spending – CapEx spending, which is, for sure, a big issue going forward. And the last question is on the down payment. Just to know what's your assumption in the current free cash flow guidance for the current year concerning the down payments for the 812 Competizione? And could the down payment become a habit for more models or what you used to have in the past. So also for midrange instead of just super luxury cars.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

So Martino, I will leave the down payment all this to Antonio and I will comment later about the volumes and opportunity risk.

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

Very quickly, on the down payments on the 812 Competizione are close to what we expected for the year. And as I said, they came in faster than we anticipated. Close to 80% of the total working capital positive change in Q3 was due to the advances on the 812 Competizione. We remain with a bit for Q4. As to whether this may become usual for the future, still early days to say. So far, it has been for some special series, and it was significant, as you witnessed for the Icona and is now visible for 812. We are obviously, from time to time, reviewing our policy in respect of collections from our customers and dealers. So we'll get back to that in the future.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

So coming back to your question, the volume and opportunities. For the volumes, I would like to underline again, Martino that we are – we have been – we will be profit-driven, not volume-driven. Clearly, I mean, we will continue to make unique – to develop unique and distinctive Ferrari in a way that we can justify and we can also have a clear path forward. When it comes to opportunity risk, yes, I said several times in the opening speech that I see a lot of opportunities, opportunities that would depend on different technologies. And I really believe it. Clearly, when you have opportunities, that there also some risk, but I would say that this is the beauty when you are on the leading edge to do something unique, something new. And this also – there is a way, let me say, to manage some risk because you can, let's say, or through partnership, as I said before, or also avoiding to go along multiple path, okay. So the risk – the managing risk when you have different opportunities is, I would say, is an art that you learn just by doing. And I think here, I can contribute with my personal experience and with the – all the experience the team has.

Martino De Ambroggi

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Benedetto.

Operator

Operator

We will now take our next question from the line of Stephen Reitman of Societe Generale. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Stephen Reitman

Analyst

Yes. Thank you. And also welcome, Benedetto. I have two questions. I guess, first of all, to Benedetto, given your background, what is your assessment of the technical competence of Ferrari in technology, electronics and the like, that obviously you are very well versed in. And my second question regards the issue of the 812 Superfast. You mentioned that the V12 mix was down because of lower sales of 812 Superfast. Does that reflect life cycle I mean, obviously, you launched the Competizione version? Or is it also maybe switching over some customers to the SF90 family? Thank you.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

Thank you, Stephen. I'll take the first part. I would like to share – to reply this question sharing my experience here that is more – I think it's much – giving much more color than, let's say, just sentences. I have clearly one of the first laboratory I've seen with the technical team has been the laboratory where new innovations are used. And I have to say that maybe the best objective I can use is to say that I've been impressed by the knowledge the team has on the technical side. But also, as I said before, by the passion to make things happen and also by the excellence and the way they want to push ahead the things. I can tell you that, as you can imagine, I have pretty deep network in this field. And I remember some practical cases where I was opening some channel late in the evening and the day after in the morning, they were – the team was already on top of it. And was able to keep the discussion with this top leader I put in touch with at a very high level. So the competence assessment that I have with this team is very high because of what they know, but also because of the passion and the excellence they want to push. So it's very positive, Stephen.

Antonio Picca Piccon

Management

On your question in respect of the 812 Superfast, your assumption is correct. We're approaching the end of life cycle, not yet there, but volumes are clearly going down in line with our plans for that model.

Nicoletta Russo

Management

Thank you, Sarah. I think now this ends our questions. And I'll now hand over to Benedetto for his final remarks. Thank you very much.

Benedetto Vigna

Management

So, thank you. Thank all of you for all your time for all your questions, really appreciate and also for your warm welcome. Let me just close by repeating again the words I used in my opening speech that is passion, excellence and innovation, every day. And in everything we do, this is Ferrari, nothing less than that. I believe that when you will come here, you will really breathe Ferrari. And I look forward in future to many more occasions to talk with you and also to meet and to share our progress, to get your questions and for you to experience in person, what we are creating here. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you again.