Kevin Hrusovsky
Analyst · BTIG. Your lines now.
Perfect questions on GN and I think that this is a slide that I'm working on, were working on for future presentations, because it's really interesting in the recent search phase of things, particularly in discovery, where you're trying to identify a linkage between pathology of the disease and protein signatures, you really want to have a very broad multiplex capability. The mass spec is like, been an example of this, it's a very broad-based shotgun looking at a lot of different proteins. And, you know, I see evidence of these new entrants, like shear, and symbolizes not a new entrant, but they're also very capable. I look at, old link knowledge, there's a lot of companies that I think will bring a lot of value to the multiplex shotgun to kind of identify the pathology that's rich, for evolving utility of the biomarker into drug trials, and then ultimately, into diagnostics. And there's where you want the lesson base of sample, and you want to be able to quantitate, and you want to be able to dilute samples. And that's when the sensitivity becomes really important. And so someday, I'm going to have a slide that shows the role of the multiplex, for the different stages of the pipeline. And what you see as to the upstream side where you're doing discovery, you want to have a lot of Plex, but the overall TAM and the value creation is probably not going to be as significant there, it's going to be as it goes down the pipeline, it's used for drug trials, and then it's ultimately used in diagnostics. That's where we think the TAMs get much bigger and the value gets created. And I look at, for instance, today, there are three companies, Roche, Siemens and Abbott, who have nearly $20 billion of TAM on basically 200 proteins, but 100% of that revenue is basically single Plex. So you can see what I mean here, that once you hone in on the protein of interest, you can create a lot of TAN and a lot of value for single Plex. So you get this situation that you do need a lot of Plex in upfront. But once you get into the utility zone, 10 Plex to maybe 20 Plex is probably going to be more than it's needed for a panel that gives you the specificity and gives you the disease specificity and gives you the ability to create utility. And so I think that there will be the number of tests that are run, you'll find that the volume of testing run will be greatest for the high Plex in. But the value of where a lot of dollars sit is going to be in 10, Plex and lower. And again, I think Roche, Abbott and Siemens have demonstrated that with their incredible ability to create a lot of value for very few number of proteins that are all single Plex. Does that help?