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Quanterix Corporation (QTRX)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Sun, Nov 10, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Quanterix Corporation Q3 2019 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions]. And now I would like to turn the conference over to your host, Amol Chaubal, CFO. Sir, you may begin.

Amol Chaubal

Analyst

Thank you, Lance. Good afternoon everyone and thanks for joining us today. With me on today's call is Kevin Hrusovsky, our CEO, President, and Chairman. Before we begin, I would like to remind you about few things. Today's call will be recorded and will be available on the Investors section of our website. Today's call will contain forward-looking statements that are based on management's beliefs and assumptions and on information available as of the date of this call. We may not actually achieve the plans, intentions or expectations disclosed in our forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors that may cause our actual results, performance or achievements to be materially different from any future results, performance or achievements expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements. The risks and the uncertainties that we face are described in our most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. During today's conference call, we will discuss some financial measures that are not presented in accordance with U.S. Generally Accepted Accounting Principles or non-GAAP financial measures. In the press release and in the appendix of our presentation, you will find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of these measures to comparative GAAP measures. We believe that these non-GAAP financial measures provide investors with relevant period to period comparisons of operations. These financial measures are not recognized under GAAP and should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for a measure of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. With that I will turn the call over to Kevin.

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Thank you very much, Amol. We're going to go through three top items here. First I'd like to talk about the Q3 highlights and then how we are stacking up versus our 2019 goals. And then finally, I'd like to discuss the incredible momentum we have in neurology and the upcoming PPH Summit that will further amplify our momentum. We start with the Q3 results we're pretty excited to report that we had very strong growth, 41% on a GAAP basis. There was a one-time collaboration revenue last year from Abbott that does in fact when you remove that one-time revenue, our growth was 62% which is a very formidable level of growth. But most importantly, when you look inside to see how we grew it further bodes well for our future. We also had, if you remove the one-time effect of the collaboration revenue, which was very high gross margin we once again have significantly ramped up our gross margin by over 500 bps, so we're really excited about the continued momentum on both revenue top line and our bottom line gross margin improvement. One key factor that I think came up a lot in our last quarter conference call was the HD-X and expectations in Q2 that we would probably have a fairly significant instrument miss and then Q2, you might remember, we had a very strong Q2 and we further pointed out at that time that we have a lot of diversity of instruments and we feel pretty confident that we're going to be able to continue drive an instrument growth. And I think what you're going to find is that we had once again I think each time we've launched products we were ahead of schedule. So we were actually able to launch the HD-X in…

Amol Chaubal

Analyst

Thanks, Kevin. I'm going to provide some additional financial details about our Q3 2019 performance and we'll be referring to Slide 23. As Kevin noted, revenue in Q3 of 2019 was $14.9 million compared to $10.6 million in Q3, 2018 which represents 41% revenue growth, excluding the impact of $1.3 million revenue recognized in Q3 2018 in connection with the termination of a licensing agreement. Non-GAAP revenue growth for Q3 was 62%. Product revenue grew from $6 million to $10.7 million, an increase of 80%. This was driven by 82% growth in instruments, and 79% growth in consumables. Service revenue grew from $3 million to $4.2 million, an increase of 39%. Year-to-date total revenues are $40.8 million, a 53% increase. On a non-GAAP basis year-to-date revenue growth was 61%. As stated previously, we are not providing revenue guidance. Shipment of HD-X ahead of our Q4 expectations and stronger adoption momentum led to greater Q3 revenue than we anticipated. As stated in previous quarters our goal is to deliver meaningful growth each quarter while continuing to build backlog for future quarters. Gross margin in Q3 2019 was 47.1% and includes the unfavorable impact of $0.7 million relating to Uman acquisition related purchase accounting adjustments, which are non-cash adjustments. We expect similar quarterly Uman acquisition related purchase accounting adjustments going forward subject to movement in acquired inventory. Prior year Q3 gross margin was 52.8% and was favorably impacted by the $1.3 million revenue recognized in connection with the termination of the license agreement. Our non-GAAP gross margin excludes the impact of non-cash, acquisition related purchase accounting adjustments and the license agreement termination and provides investors with the relevant period-to-period comparison of health stations. Non-GAAP gross margin in Q3 2019 was 51.8% versus 46.2% in Q3, 2018. The 560 basis points increase over…

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Thanks, Amol. We are sitting with a very interesting opportunity ahead of us. We've got an incredibly experienced leadership and management team as well as a lot of employees that have been working with us for many, many years, many of them now coming from the pharma biotech industry. We redirected the business into research to eliminate the regulatory and reimbursement risk of diagnostics and that has enabled us to really for the eight straight quarter now that we've been public. We've been able to significantly grow our business and that growth has accelerated as investors have actually started to help us with our growth by coming to PPH Summit and further referencing and linking us up with pharma biotechs that they own positions and they would like for those companies to get their drugs approved. So, we have created, we think a very interesting opportunity where we're very early on in the penetration level less than 10% for neuro -- for neurology alone. And we're really just beginning in a market that's three times the size oncology. So the first step in this, in our minds was defining a market that was not fraught with a lot of risks and we think we've created a market opportunity for the next several years, it's not fraught with those risks. And we've been executing we think fairly flawlessly and even ahead of schedule on most of the key KPIs that we are focused on. So the experienced group that is honed in on this is very motivated and passionate, that some of the best employees that I've ever worked with in my career, many of them have been with us for many years and other companies, but I must say that there is a chemistry that's been created here that is truly igniting and going after something that we think could change the world and that's the way health is practice, particularly if we could put cancer and Alzheimer's in MS and ALS in our rear-view mirrors. So with that, what we'd like to do is open it up for Q&A.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from the line of Doug from Cowen. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi Kevin, this is Subbu Nambi on for Doug Schenkel. Kevin now that Uman Diagnostics has been part of Quanterix for several months. How are you thinking about the opportunity for revenue synergies? Have you been able to cross sell Simoa based instruments to legacy Uman customers? Additionally, how has Uman revenue tracked relative to your expectation?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Great, great question. We didn't buy Uman for the short-term revenue opportunity. We merged with Uman based on what we consider to be a very long-term significant opportunity in diagnostics. But most importantly, we bought Uman because we were buying most of what antibody production they were making for our own kits for Nf-L and we wanted to protect this incredible evolution of the Nf-L franchise within Quanterix. Today over 33% over a third of our revenue is linked in some way to Nf-L. And so making sure we protected that supply for the existing revenue growth was the primary reason for this move. Now with that said, we didn't anticipate there being much revenue beyond what we bought from them. But we have had some pretty productive developments that we were able to land in Q3 that did give us a little bit of revenue beyond the revenue that comes with our Simoa kits. So we don't actually granulize and show those revenue levels. Amol could actually maybe speak a little bit cleaner to this, but I would say that we do think going forward, there will be opportunities to grow the Uman revenue beyond what we expected, because of the cross-selling opportunity. So going forward, it's still pretty small part of our company in a part of our business and again primarily what this has done is created significant gross margin improvement by backward integrating into the supply of the Nf-L for the existing Simoa franchise. That's where a lot of the gain is and I think we committed to a couple of hundred basis points of improvement on an annual basis from that backward integration, but we are beginning to see revenue as well that's profitable. Amol?

Amol Chaubal

Analyst

Just to add to that. Right. I mean Uman revenues by itself are very small. For Q3 Uman's revenues were 400,000 but again as Kevin mentioned, a big chunk of it is things that we've created as part of business development activities for Uman's asset and again in large scheme of things, they are very small. In terms of gross margin expansion, as Kevin suggested we will have gross margin expansion impact of integrating Uman. We've always said about 200 basis points, but please note that we had inventory when we acquired Uman and it will take us some time to believe that inventory through Q3, so you will start to see that impact from Q4 .

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it, that is really helpful. And if I could ask a second question, can you provide more detail on the Siemens Nf-L license and supply agreement. It does not appear that Siemens is using Quanterix system to develop Nf-L clinical assays, is that right? if so, are there opportunities to -- and if so, are there opportunities to place your system that Siemens down the road and then more broadly, are there types of IVD deals we should expect you to pursue?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Yes. Those are three good questions and to start Siemens does have a fairly formidable installed base of about 10,000 instruments and Siemens as well as Roche and Abbott have primarily in the area of a license in immunoassays they've primarily been single plex as opposed -- as opposed to multiplex. And so, we clearly want to get as fast in IVD validation and clinical validation of Nf-L using our antibody pairs as possible. We think it's bodes well for the world, but also bodes well for Quanterix shareholders because that investment can be very significant to breakthrough with an IVD approval and Siemens having this large installed base. Our goal here would be to hope that they can achieve some level of sensitivity on that existing installed base based on the way we've engineered the antibody pairs for both specificity and sensitivity. So our goal here is to work with them to try to have them get validated and clinically relevant an IVD kit for Nf-L onto that installed base. We also believe that the other diagnostic houses would be well served to advance their own positions relative to Nf-L and we would certainly be open to additional contracts because again this is non-exclusive, and we think that this is going to be a good thing for Quanterix as well as for the world. Now, I would also point out that one of the key things about sensitivity is that we're on the bleeding edge of what's necessary. We're getting ready to run with collaborators in Europe a 20,000 population study between ages 7 and 70 on our Simoa technology looking at Nf-L in blood and having our sensitivity is necessary we believe to get good clinical discrimination for the seven-year-old because what happens is the younger you are,…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Absolutely. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sung Ji from BTIG. Your line is now open.

Sung Ji

Analyst

Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Congratulations on the quarter. So firstly, it's nice to see that the trade-in -- is trade-ins are outpacing your expectations. Just curious what's driving that. You talked about, you have some programs in place wasn't sure if you uncovered certain value proposition for the value propositions, for the, customers that you weren't aware of as they are trading at a faster rate, and as you look out over the next two, three years, what percentage of your current HD -- HD-1 installed base do you think would replace that with the NextGen platform?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Yes, great questions Sung Ji and thanks for the congratulatory comment. We basically have always been very conservative and that's part of we think the value of our management team. We've always tried to be very create expectations that we know we're not going to surprise negatively. So in this case, I think we knew that the HD-X had incredible game-changing capability, not just in significantly increasing the reliability, but also in temperature control and even enabling magnetic bead loading that ultimately will help us further enhance the sensitivity of the instrument. So, what we have found. I think, is that as we've started to articulate these benefits, we really have been getting a lot more interest and I think the fact that we ran this use case with several of our top users to test out the HD-X it gave us data that further validated just how game changing the HD-X was and I think that as we start to teach the industry just how formidable of an improvement this represents many customers at times don't use our technology, all the time, and they were cautious using it and fear that they might have some kind of an issue that they couldn't manage and that would lead to losing samples. And one of the things we're really honed in on with our user base with the HD-X is never let just lose samples. That's really our key focus and it's not to say that they won't, but to-date, we've had incredible results and not having these samples be lost and it creates confidence then and that word spreads quickly. And I think that with Powering Precision Health Summit coming next week going to be an oversubscribed and with so many customers wanting to hear firsthand from all these users…

Sung Ji

Analyst

Great, that's very helpful. And then it's also great to see such strong growth in the academic setting, was curious, do you have a sense of whether you're replacing or displacing some of the conventional technologies that are being used or do you think your technology platform is additive to kind of what the researchers are looking for?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Well, I think Sung Ji you as the Powering Precision Health Summit is further spread the word, around the sensitivity in the way sensitivity can be translated into incredible benefits for the customer. We've already talked about less invasive early detection of disease. But the ability to get an answer, from a very small sample. Could you someday have a sample as small as a blood finger prick that you could then dilute up and use and Simoa to get an answer from such a small sample. Those are the types of things that we know we've got use cases. In fact, last year PPH there were a lot of presentations on using blood spots and poking out a small fraction off of a cardboard blood spot, which today every child [indiscernible] which I -- now I'm proud grandfather. So, I know what this is like, but they have a heel prick and they will create blood spots for every child born. And then later on if you could just simply punch out a little small circular hole into a vital and then put solution in it and dilute up that blood spot all the side you could transform the way you transfer and ship samples. Right. And so these are the kinds of things that people didn't really think about when they thought about sensitivity, but it is game changing because if you can start to get answers from dried blood spots you change the whole logistics of the way samples can be moved around the world. So, you'll see it Powering Precision Health there'll be presentations on a lot of scientists using dried blood spots. And then in addition we find matrix effects that can get in the way. Even for Nf-L If you look carefully at the latest publications, you'll see that several of our key neurologists that are running these for MS patients routinely now in Europe, they're actually diluting threefold to eliminate matrix effects and they're able to discriminate at the low end of the of the Nf-L levels better by this dilution, so sensitivity to allow dilution is also creating we think a game-changing opportunity. So, all of these pieces we think lead to the opportunity to really transform the HD-X technology into the next generation of opportunity.

Sung Ji

Analyst

Great, thank you. And then lastly from me, on your consumable revenue side, obviously you're continuing to see strong growth there. Just curious, do you think. I mean if it's still early, but do you think that with the launch of the HD-X and also just continued strong growth in your consumable business do you any thought in terms of how you're thinking about consumable pull-through for your platform. Is it still kind of I think in the past, you talked about a third of the instrument revenue on an annualized basis, but could we see that kind of move up higher, going forward?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Yes, it's funny, we went back and we did an analysis after the last quarterly call around that specific metric. And we have been way, outperforming that metric of a third of the revenue and there was some level of one-time effect of that large Novartis trial that we've now tried to make sure everyone completely understands and we said it in the past, but we want to kind of further reinforces. But even without that and when you remove that we're outpacing that 33% rule of the investment. And so, 40% is something that I think has become a whole new norm for us and we believe that as we implement the HD-X even though it's a higher priced instrument. We think that maintaining the pull-through of that 40% is going to be the type of goal that we're going to be striving for even at a higher price point for the, for the HD-X instrument. So we're going to keep driving a lot of different programs to keep our consumable. Today for instance and yesterday, we have a thing called the Simoa success which is a key component of working with all of our users and user group meetings to talk about all the advances that we've made on these technologies and these advances will further allow utilization. So, everywhere we look we are seeing very positive momentum. The one thing that we are going to keep an eye on in 2020 is as we trade in an HD-1 for an HD-X there'll be maybe a three month period there where will have to do that trade in and will that have any specific level of impact for any one customer. We know we're going to be able to continue driving the one third despite even that kind of phenomenon. The question is can we even keep going at the 40%. But we are going to be mindful that the transition and trading will have a small effect as we are timing those transitions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Max Masucci

Analyst

Hi, this is Max Masucci on for Mark. So now that Uman is integrating I guess do you see other opportunities for M&A. If so, what types of deals? And can you talk about any particular areas of investment you plan to target with the recent financing?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Great, great question, Max. We're not, we're not in any way stating we're becoming an M&A kind of driver here, but there is no question. We've got a platform here that is going to disrupt healthcare and as we start to view the tentacles of opportunity that this kind of disruption can create, whether it be in research, where you might have other complementary product lines that go into the same landscape where you're selling into. And you could leverage your kind of sales channels or if you look at the technology and research and the fact that today we're honed in on proteins and we know proteins are disrupting but there is a complementary piece here and which is DNA and RNA. We're not really doing today a lot DNA and RNA but it's credibly complementary to a complete understanding of the OMIX of the body. And so we know that there are today, a lot of DNA, RNA opportunities that are complementary to our protein. Now for us those represent opportunities for M&A leverage in synergy. But that's not currently our focus because we've got so much organic growth opportunity. What we're really looking towards is what can we do to accelerate the penetration of our current technology base. And so things like Asia we're honing in on advances and trying to accelerate our position in China and Asia because it's very, very small right now, but yet there is so much dementia issues going on across China right now and we know that there is huge research projects to try to get neuro health understood in Asia and we're not even tapped into that yet. So we want to make sure that we start to tap into Asia. We also have watched very carefully the evolution of…

Max Masucci

Analyst

Great. And I think you took 7 SPX orders last quarter, I guess SP-X orders look in Q3, our most SP-X placements to customers that are new to Quanterix or existing customers that might already have an HD-1 or HD-X system is when you go into a customer to convert in HD-1 or your AAPS also pitching the SP-X?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Originally, Max we said that we would try to place 10 instruments in 2019 of SP-X, because it's a brand new product in a whole new market segment. And our view was that this platform is something that is got entrenched competition primarily, I would say companies like Techne and MSD and Luminex currently play very productively in the oncology field. So penetrating a segment where you have entrenched competition is very different than when you're disrupting like we've been doing in neurology and being that we're only 10% less than 10% penetrated neurology this HD-X opportunity end up being a pretty formidable opportunity for us that we could see our way clear to accelerating the launch of the HD-X. So I do think, our sales force continues to focus productively on the SP-X. We don't actually guide to these numbers or we actually state granularly what we've done. I think we did talk about the fact that there were seven orders right out of the gate. Just to give everyone a sense that this is a very productive opportunity for us, one that we already know that for the year, we're feeling very comfortable that we're going to hit our expectations, but in general, I would say that we still see this area as one of the, bigger areas of opportunity. And it's not just oncology. I would call it oncology and inflammation, because if you look at inflammation, it really is the immune system and it's the cytokines, and many of the cancer drugs, our immuno therapies. And that's really where we're honing in and the SP-X is going to have an incredible opportunity. And one of the things that we have also found is that in our accelerator services we're getting a lot of new orders and a lot of momentum that we probably didn't expect for this Planar SP-X technology. So in a way, it's kind of a leading edge way for us to validate and create demand. So a lot of the growth that we're seeing in our accelerator is actually coming from us launching the SP-X as a product. So we're pretty excited about that opportunity, because we know that always precedes the placement of instruments. So for 2020 we remain very bullish on augmenting our neurology sales with oncology/inflammation sales with the SP-X.

Max Masucci

Analyst

Great. And then last one for me. So congratulations to Dr. Plavina on the new role. Can you just touch on why now is the right time to make the higher your expectations for the role and why you think you've made the right hire? Thanks.

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Yes, Max. You're asking very good questions. And I've been very close with the Biogen team including Al Sandrock, their Chief Medical Officer who just also got promoted is now running all of R&D. In fact the last Powering Precision Health Summit that we had in the United States. He was on the panel, and you might remember some of the comments he made to get picked up by Bloomberg around how he felt our technology could absolutely disrupt Alzheimer's longer term. But what we're seeing happen here is this stuff is accelerating quicker than most of us thought and for Tatiana to be willing to come to us. We thought that was an itself a big achievement, but I think what we have found since he has been here for just maybe a month is she is so driven and so passionate by the culture that we have here and the ability to affect the world more so almost in a position where we affect all the pharmas and all of the biotechs than in just one company. So we have this incredible relationship with Biogen and I think they're actually very happy to see that she is on our team productively helping further advance MS, as well as Alzheimer's in all of these categories that now she can spread across all of pharma. We think this is the time because of the, on slide in the kind of tsunami wave of MS publications for Nf-L and owning Uman and then getting our diagnostic rights back, there's three different events that have occurred there. It's like the moon's lining up, you get the rights back a year ago from bioMerieux. You then acquire Uman that has this incredible specificity for the Nf-L antibody pair, and then you on top…

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Yes, thanks for the Powering Precision Health sponsorship too. We really appreciate that we just said that to Cowen as well. Very much appreciate that .

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Puneet from SVB Leerink. Your line is now open.

Puneet Souda

Analyst

Hi, Kevin, Amol. Thanks for the question. So first one is on consumable. I think it was touched on briefly before but I just wanted to get a sense from you in terms of the trials that are currently ongoing. What's the expectation for further more trials to come into that. I mean it seems like the increase in consumable revenue was about $0.5 million it had, it was, essentially flat from Q1 to Q2, but then increased again this quarter. I just wanted to get a sense from you as to sort of that contribution? And what's your expectation of the timing of the current trials, when would those trials be completing and if there is any expectation for near-term trial additions into the consumable revenue?

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Yeah, you know clearly trials are pretty important opportunity and it starts with Phase I trials are very small. And then you have Phase II and then ultimately there largest trials are Phase III. And we did have a very significant Novartis trial early in the year, which we've commented on and we've also continue to advance the reliability of our HD-1 that's out there. We have done a lot of things to improve its performance. And so, yeah, you're talking about a quarter-on-quarter growth, but I think the way to keep looking at this is year-on-year growth. I mean we've been running almost doubling on a year-on-year basis and a lot of that is because of, we think the beginnings of a trial sequence of interest that is going to, we think continue. So we're very bullish on trying to drive trials and feel like that's a big piece of our future opportunity. Now, we're not going to guide to that it's -- we don't actually guide. But I would say that we've always said that as a long-term growth horizon even though the denominator is getting bigger. We have, we had said going into 2015 and '16. We felt that long-term growth of 40% was achievable. And on average, we think that consumables should be outpacing the growth, the average growth. So when we look at 40% total growth back in those years we always assumed that we would see stronger consumable growth and we probably would see slower instrument growth and then we would feel like the services would be kind of on that 40%. And if you look at this year is kind of play it out this way, we're seeing the strongest growth in consumables. The thing that has surprised us, probably more than in many of the investors is just how significant of an instrument growth, we've been able to create this year, which again is a catalyst for future growth. And so people don't buy instruments to have them sit, they buy them to use them. So we're very encouraged by the instrument growth and your question is that on, we will be very much focused on trials as being a key to our consumable growth ramp and it's not always going to be steady and even you know you have surges because of trials. And so when we look at some -- one of the key things we did last quarter, as we looked at and averaging a four quarter averaging and we could see like the underlying growth was significantly improving when you do the averaging and I think that's a good way to ensure you don't get tripped up on any kind of models that you might be building Puneet.

Puneet Souda

Analyst

Okay, thanks for that. And then on, I wanted to get a sense from you from in your conversations with pharma, what's the expectation for protein and peptides markers or significance of protein and peptide markers versus the genomic markers, which are dominating the pharma conversations our pharma CDX's and other a companion diagnostics and other products that are getting out in the market. I know you're seeing growth in neurology. I just wanted to get a sense from you the applicability of 14 peptide markers broadly using Simoa platform. What's been the conversation there and what's your expectation here of taking share away a little bit from the genomics? Thank you.

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Absolutely. And I think Puneet that one of the roadblocks to utilizing proteins historically is the sensitivity and DNA became everyone's exciting kind of focal point for investment funds because they were able with PCR. They were able to increase the sensitivity of what they could see in the body. But the way they did that was they amplified it. They amplified the PCR, they amplified the DNA and RNA using PCR which create some buyers misses some 80 buyers misses. And then my last company that we did do a 10x kind of value creation was Caliper Life Sciences, we've built the DNA libraries for most of alumina. And I think you're aware that our founder of this company also was the founder of Alumina and he like myself have a tremendous interest and what the protein represents because in a way, if you can get to the sensitivity of baseline understanding of the protein in a way, it's much more phenotypic because the identical twin studies or what I like to look towards and that is that they are born with the same DNA profiles. But yes, one of them grows up to have a very different profile -- a protein profile because of environmental factors in the way they live their lives and that is the key we think to why proteins are so much more phenotypic. And by applying sensitivity to them, we can now get to the same level of sensitivity that you have with DNA with protein. And if you look at Roche, Siemens and Abbott most of their franchise, a big piece of it has been based on a license and proteins. And so we know proteins are very phenotypic for CN disease. But what we haven't been able to do is use…

Puneet Souda

Analyst

No, I appreciate all of your comments Proteomics 2.0 is coming. So it will be interesting to see how you participate there. So I appreciate your insight to there. And if the last one if I could, you know you ask around Uman. I think some of that is already covered, but just wanted to get a sense of the existing number of sort of contracts that Uman had prior to acquisition. We saw one with Biogen, Techne we saw another one with Siemens here and wanted to get a sense of what we should expect to further contracts here in the near-term with Uman and other potential other contracts that will be renewed? Thank you.

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Very good question and I would say that most, by far we were by far the largest customer. I think over 50% , of their antibody output was coming to us to make our Nf-L kits. And so our sensitivity coupled with their specificity and sensitivity created a real significant opportunity to clinically discriminate many of these biomarkers in neurology but ultimately, we think, and a lot of these other fields that we've been, we've been commenting on. I don't think that there was a lot of contractual work prior to us acquiring them. The Siemens was beginning, there was a major announcement by Biogen 18 months ago that Biogen was teaming up with Siemens to launch a serum Nf-L test. If you recall, that was a game-changing announcement and what was interesting was all of the data was based on Simoa that led to that deal. And at the time we didn't have diagnostic rights. You might recall we had teams up with bioMerieux who doesn't really do neurology so much. And so we were somewhat caught in a relationship that didn't allow us to produce opposite these neurological opportunities. And so I think the Siemens opportunity because of the installed base. And I would look at Roche similarly, they've got I think a 70,000 installed base. I would love to see some of these biomarkers that we can engineer like Nf-L on the instruments and then ultimately, when you get the panels our Simoa technology, we think will be become a big key component of what will be required. So even though there wasn't a lot of deals that were in there. We felt the Techne was very important. We think that's a great company, we believe in them, and so we wanted to complete that deal right away; that was again done after we own them. And then, Siemens -- I would bet that there might be two or three more in the next year. We are very careful on how we set up those deals. We want to make sure we're capturing a lot of value and we're very pleased to say that we're capturing a lot of value in these deals and we feel like that's an important piece to the equation because we'll be continuing to channel Nf-L via our Simoa and use cases that we know these other channels can't get to and we want to keep pushing the edge of science to create those use cases. And that's key for us with Simoa but then there is a great way for us to create value, we think through some of these other deals and we'll be very careful in the way we structure them.

Operator

Operator

I am showing no further questions at this time, I would like to turn the conference back to Kevin Hrusovsky for closing remarks.

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Thank you very much. Hey, it's been an absolute pleasure to be working with Amol on all these, but Amol you've been with us now how long?

Amol Chaubal

Analyst

Seven months.

Kevin Hrusovsky

Analyst

Seven months and I got to say that across just about every aspect of our business, we've been scaling it and we've been culturally building out what we think can really disrupt. And I do believe any of the investors that can attend Powering Precision Health you'll be able to see a really clean opportunity to what we think the future holds. So, thank you so much for all your support and we'll be talking to you at the end of the Q4 period. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may all disconnect. Goodbye.